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How much do you truly trust God? Would you sell all you have to follow Christ? Do you store several months of supplies for emergancies (e.i. hurricanes, tornadoes, stroms, earthquakes)? How much money have you put away for future emergencies?

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\\Cluny, Thanks for your response.
Do you ,and company, normally eat fish on friday, still ?
Why fish ?\\

For medical reasons I have been dispensed from all fasting and abstinence until they are controlled better.

Most Orthodox still observe the Wed/Fri abstinence in some form.

I think the West permitted fish on the grounds that many didn't bleed when you stabbed them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/4/15


Cluny, Thanks for your response.
Do you ,and company, normally eat fish on friday, still ?
Why fish ?
---1stcliff on 4/3/15


\\Cluny, Another question I asked Fr O'Riley was why Catholics eat fish on fridays.\\

From ancient times, the two main "stational days" in Christianity--that is days of special fasting and abstinence--were Wednesday and Friday. This is attested in the Didache, the Pharisees fasted on Mondays and Thursdays, days the Torah was read in the daily services.

This meant you MAY eat vegetables cooked in water and salt late in the afternoon.

Something like this is still practiced in Orthodoxy and other Eastern Churches (medical exceptions exist). In the West, this got so lax it was reduced to eating fish on Friday.

Does this help?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/3/15


Most Orthodox and RC seminary courses I have seen would have intense study of the Bible in classes.
---Cluny on 4/2/15

Amazing that for all this intense study they do not know scripture enough to educate you or abide by the witnesses.
But, even this is found scripturally.

Mat_23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand, and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
---Trav on 4/3/15


Cluny, Another question I asked Fr O'Riley was why Catholics eat fish on fridays.
He was very evasive on this and dismissed it with "It could have been fish or any meat,friday ,monday, thursday, just happened to pick fish and friday "
I don't believe he wanted to answer me but didn't want to be rude, he said "I have to go now"...
Do Orthodox eat fish on fridays ?
---1stcliff on 4/2/15




\\Cluny, Thanks, I appreciate the info, Early rising and early to bed...Not much time for personal entertainment (TV,visitors etc.)\\

Personal prayer and study would be before Matins and after Compline.

Most Orthodox and RC seminary courses I have seen would have intense study of the Bible in classes.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/2/15


Cluny, Thanks, I appreciate the info, Early rising and early to bed...Not much time for personal entertainment (TV,visitors etc.)
The Seminary here (Catholic) trains priests for foreign service !
When I asked the head "Father?" what they studied he said Philosophy,history, and church history, Political science ,languages and cultures, he said "We don't spend a lot of time on bible study"..truly his words !
---1stcliff on 4/1/15


Monk Brendan, It was my belief that monks did the same routine day after day, but if you think it was bad manners to ask, then I'll withdraw the question and say, blessings to you !
---1stcliff on 4/1/15


In most Orthodox monasteries, the day begins with Matins about 4-5 AM, with Divine Liturgy (the Eucharist) following afterwards (if it is to be celebrated, not all Orthodox monasteries have a daily Liturgy).

Scattered throughout the day will be what are called the Hours, brief services consisting of Psalms and prayers, about 10 min each.

The main meal will be taken about noon-1.

Vespers (evening service) will be about 4-5:30, lasting better part of an hour.

An evening meal will be 6 or 6:30.

In between times are work periods, including crafts, office work, grounds and housekeeping, farming, and the like.

Compline (before retiring) about 7-8.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/1/15


1st Cliff said, " Monk Brendan, How would you describe your normal day?"

At this point, Cliff, I think you have gone past the point of good manners. Is it your job to monitor how much I pray, or work?

I'll tell you what. You tell me what your normal day is like, and then I will tell you mine.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/1/15




\\I don't know why the western monks had a circular tonsure.\\

To resemble Christ's crown of thorns.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/31/15


Monk Brendan, How would you describe your normal day ?
---1stcliff on 4/1/15


1st Cliff said, "Monk Brendan, As a "postulant" you were a long time "asking" to be admitted?
Then to be "tonsured" meant shaving part of the head, right?"


I don't know why the western monks had a circular tonsure. I am an Eastern Catholic monk, and when I was tonsured, the bishop clipped a lock of hair at the front, the back, and the two sides of my head. It is the sign of the Cross, but Eastern monks don't normally get shaved.

Yes, I did spend a lot of time as postulant and novice. But when it came right down to it, I desired the deeper relationship with Jesus, so I requested tonsure.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/31/15


Cluny, I gather from Monk Brendan that he's not Orthodox, but Catholic, some differences in the two monastic life styles and traditions !
---1stcliff on 3/31/15


So many Benedictines, Augustinians and so on ...in the world, and you don't believe in them?
---Monk_Brendan on 3/27/15

No I don't believe in, revere them or the church body's that brought them.
Having tasted freedom in truth, holding it in my hands why would I believe in or honor them?
They do not represent ultimate truth, or sometimes even any.
While they may be allowed by GOD for truth to be sought and found they do not represent truth any more than I find you do. Wikipedia is not truth. Christ's words are truth. Prophets of GOD are truth. 2Monk 1:0000 I found no truth.
My prayer is that you and "many" find truth... long before the Day of the Lord.
---Trav on 3/31/15


Cluny, Why are you so quick to say "wrong" when I mentioned tonsuring was shaving part of the head, then you go on to tell about "clipping the hair in a fashion of the cross???
Cut me a little slack here huh!
---1stcliff on 3/31/15


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\\Then to be "tonsured" meant shaving part of the head, right?\\

Wrong.

\\Is it true that the shaving of the head is circular in shape?\\

Not any more in the Western Church.

In Orthodoxy, the baptismal, clerical, and monastic tonsures consist simply of clipping a few hairs from the front, back, and sides of the head--in the form of a cross, in other words.

Woodrow's and Hislop's explanation of the Western tonsure (now no longer observed) is absolutely historically false, with this difference: Woodrow learned his book was false and withdrew it.

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 3/31/15


Monk Brendan, As a "postulant" you were a long time "asking" to be admitted ?
Then to be "tonsured" meant shaving part of the head, right?and wearing the "habit"? (monk's robe)
Is it true that the shaving of the head is circular in shape? Do you know why?
---1stcliff on 3/30/15


1st Cliff said, "Monk Brendan, I visited a Catholic Seminary...the first person I met was a Monk...he said "you have to get the habit" ...I left there scratching my head and wondering ,HUH?"

Cliff, visiting a Catholic Seminary is very different from being a Catholic. The monk, talking about getting a habit forgot to mention the years he spent as a postulant, then as a novice, before he was allowed to be tonsured and clothed as a monk. I am in a different order than that monk, but I can tell you that it took years before I was tonsured.

And it is a habit, the habit of prayer and work, Ora et Labora as St. Benedict tells us. Prayer and physical labor.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/30/15


Cluny, It's pretty straight forward at Matt.23.8 "But you are not to be called Rabbi for you have only one Master and you are all brothers 9 and do not call anyone on earth father ,for you have one Father and he is in heaven 10 nor are you to be called teacher for you have one teacher, the Christ"
You don't need a PHD or DD to translate that !
---1stcliff on 3/30/15


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\\He is our master or Lord who can tell us what to do. \\

Actually, the word in this passage the KJV translates as "master" means "teacher" in Greek. (The educational denotation of "master" is preserved in such words as "headmaster".)

Yet, we are told elsewhere in the Bible that God has established TEACHERS in the Church.

Furthermore, St. John wrote in one of his epistles, "I write this to you, FATHERS..."

Finally, both St. Stephen and St. Paul addressed the men in synagogues as, "Men, brethren, and FATHERS..."

What are we to make of this in light of "call no man your father"?

Please explain.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/29/15


The priests who insist they be called fathers do not qualify.

Our Earthly father does.


Matthew 23:10

Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Mister or Misses quit meaning master ages ago. I can look up the exact date if you wish Cluny.

So GOD is our heavenly Father and we look to Him for salvation and guidance through the Holy Spirit and He is our master or Lord who can tell us what to do.

Yes we can work for someone and choose to follow their rules. We can listen to a Minister and choose to follow their understanding. But all must be Subject to following GOD and doing His will first.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/29/15


\\Cluny, Without looking it up ,I think it says something to the effect that God in heaven is your father ??\\

In other words,k you have no idea.

I'll tell you, then. The next verse says, "And call no man 'Master'" or words to that effect.

NOBODY interprets this to mean we can't use Mr. or Mrs., which are merely variants of "master".

OTOH, you will see several places in Acts and the Epistles where men were addressed as "Father".

Did the writers of these books sin in so doing?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/28/15


I trust, by Father's grace, that He works in me both to will, and to do, that which is pleasing to Him. It is in that trust, that I rest.
---Josef on 3/28/15


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Apparently Trav is not aware of the large number of spiritual and corporeal works of mercy monks have done through the centuries. Otherwise, he would not have quoted James.

1st Cliff, the Bible is studied intensely in seminary classes. Protestant piety (never the universal standard of Christian piety), such as devotional Bible studies, are not part of the piety of Pre-Reformation Christians.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/28/15


Cluny, Without looking it up ,I think it says something to the effect that God in heaven is your father ??
We all have biological fathers , but I believe Jesus was making the point to "call" no man on earth your father.
---1stcliff on 3/28/15


\\I asked him why they call you "father" when scripture says call no man your fath\\

Without looking at your Bible, can you tell me the next verse?

If so, what is it?

And if you can't tell me, admit it, please.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/28/15


Monk Brendan, I visited a Catholic Seminary here once the first person I met was a Monk
I asked him about his being there ,he said "you have to get the habit" I said ""scuse me?" he repeated it, didn't get too far with him.
Father O'Riley showed up and I asked him about bible study, "Oh we have that once a week but it's optional"
I asked him why they call you "father" when scripture says call no man your father.
He said "I don't tell them to call me father, they just do".
I left there scratching my head and wondering ,HUH?
---1stcliff on 3/27/15


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Trav said, " I don't believe in monks, unless it actually is your first name, so I didn't use your "sur"... but, i believe in Brendan and his appeal. Prayed for Brendan, not "Monk"_ Brendan."

So many Benedictines, Augustinians and so on (I could go on for pages, which I don't have) in the world, and you don't believe in them? Just talking about Christian monks, there are thousands right here in America. There is a whole page devoted to nothing but Christian Monasticism on Wikipedia.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/27/15


I don't want you to misunderstand, or think I am being nasty. I am not. This is a loving gesture from one Christian to another.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/27/15

Truth doesn't offend me. I'm sure it won't you.
I've already prayed for you. And would again regardless if you were nasty. I don't believe in monks, unless it actually is your first name, so I didn't use your "sur"... but, i believe in Brendan and his appeal. Prayed for Brendan, not "Monk"_ Brendan.
Understand desiring the life of a monk.
Jas_2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Sorry bout misspelling your name. It happens.
---Trav on 3/27/15


Trav said, "Hmmmm... the not offended seems to be Brendon. I'll pray for you Mr Brendon. We all are destitute in one area or another."

Trav, this is a minor point, but if you want to say something to someone, at least spell their name correctly. Also, If you don't want to use "Monk" in front of my name, then just use my name, without the "Mr." in front of it.

I don't want you to misunderstand, or think I am being nasty. I am not. This is a loving gesture from one Christian to another.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/27/15


Cluny wrote: "If I will that he tarry until I come, what is that to you?" "In other words, "It's none of your concern.""

Cluny, you have a good understanding of worldly knowledge and that's how you interpret the bible. Sure, taken out of context that's correct, but the way you used it is not the same. As the proverbial saying goes: you are comparing apples and oranges.
---Steveng on 3/26/15


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Cluny wrote: "What business is that of yours, 1stCliff?"
Cluny, another unchristian remark. You shouldn't say anything that Jesus wouldn't say. Read the following scriptures:
Galatians 6:1,2
Galatians 5:26
Galatians 6:3
Galatians 5:22-23
John 13:34
Job 6:24
---Steveng on 3/25/15

Hmmmm... the not offended seems to be Brendon. I'll pray for you Mr Brendon. We all are destitute in one area or another.
May you find spiritual freedom, comfort of your needs and discoveries and strength to the end.

Luk_11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
---Trav on 3/26/15


\\ You shouldn't say anything that Jesus wouldn't say.\\

But Jesus DID say something like that.

Look at the end of the last chapter of the Gospel according to St. John.

"If I will that he tarry until I come, what is that to you?"

In other words, "It's none of your concern."

Your utter ignorance of the Bible amazes me, Steveng. Doesn't your worldly denominational "church" teach you better than that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/26/15


Cluny wrote: "What business is that of yours, 1stCliff?"

Cluny, another unchristian remark. You shouldn't say anything that Jesus wouldn't say. Read the following scriptures:

Galatians 6:1,2
Galatians 5:26
Galatians 6:3
Galatians 5:22-23
John 13:34
Job 6:24
---Steveng on 3/25/15


Monk Brendan, Cluny's right, it's none of my business (or his) but you didn't seem to mind my asking.
Your story is not unlike other disfunctional families (including my own)
Thanks for your response .
---1stcliff on 3/25/15


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What business is that of yours, 1stCliff?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/24/15


1st Cliff said "Have you no family?

First, I am certainly not out on the street with a bowl, begging for alms.

I have a brother that is actually traveling here to visit me for the first time in the 24 years I've lived here. I have two sisters, both of whom are poor as church mice. One will talk to me every once in while, and the other hates me. My parents are both dead, and when I did go to my father's funeral, the sister that hates me kept trying to pick a fight with me.

The friends I made while I was working were all business associates. When I left the business, they all dropped me.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/24/15


Cluny wrote: "You know nothing about Monk Brendan. You don't even know what he looks like. You wouldn't even be able to pick him out in a line-up

Therefore, don't make snide remarks."

Cluny, you are such a hypocrite. You should take your own advise concerning how you make "snide" remarks about me.
---Steveng on 3/24/15


Monk Brendan,After working 30 years you must have made "some" friends.
Have you no family?
---1stcliff on 3/24/15


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1st Cliff said: "No slander intended,now says he lives on social security, like millions of other Americans.
First made it sound like dire poverty.
Now works as a writer, What point are you trying to covey,Brendan?
Most people try to live within their means,it just doesn't always work out !"


Cliff, I didn't say I got paid for writing. That is simply the work that I am able to do.

When I say that I am forced to live within my means I mean that I have no parachute, nobody I can turn to to give me a hand. I have to trust in the Lord. So far, God has supplied, and I trust that He will continue.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/24/15


Christian monasticism has nothing to do with pagan monasticism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/15


Cluny, You're right ,I know nothing about Monk Brendan except what he writes about himself!
No slander intended,now says he lives on social security, like millions of other Americans.
First made it sound like dire poverty.
Now works as a writer, What point are you trying to covey,Brendan?
Most people try to live within their means,it just doesn't always work out !
---1stcliff on 3/23/15


\\Monk Brendan' You remind me of the Hindus who go out in the world with saffron robe,begging bowl and bamboo staff !\\

The way things look to you, 1stCliff, bears no relationship to reality.

You know nothing about Monk Brendan. You don't even know what he looks like. You wouldn't even be able to pick him out in a line-up

Therefore, don't make snide remarks.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/15


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1st cliff said: "They renounce ...

In that situation,except for moral support, you are very little help to any one!
In our town a very successful...He ended up bankrupt and in a mental heath unit!"


Cliff, the Christian monk lives by the work of his own hands, and does not beg. St. Benedict said "Ora et Labora" or both Prayer and Work.

I don't ask anyone for money. I am forced to live within my means. I worked for 30+ years, and then had to retire and live on Social Security (which I paid into for all those years.)

I pray every day, and in my work time, I am a writer.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/23/15


Monk Brendan' You remind me of the Hindus who go out in the world with saffron robe,begging bowl and bamboo staff !

They renounce materialism, believing the more they suffer in this life the more they are blessed in the "after life"

In that situation ,except for moral support, you are very little help to any one !
In our town a very successful home builder was "saved" and gave up his occupation,sold everything , gave to the poor....He ended up bankrupt and in a mental heath unit !
---1stcliff on 3/23/15


We should all trust God but He will not ask ALL of us to trust Him in the same way. IF he asks YOU to sell all you have then that is what you should do. He will ask others to do things in different ways - maybe relocate (something which disrupts families but IF that is what He requests we should do that).

His requests will differ from person to person.
---Rita_H on 3/22/15


StevenG,I have sold all that I have to follow Christ. I have no savings account or supplies stored away for emergencies.

When I was tonsured a monk, I renounced all of those things, and I have to trust Him for everything--even for every breath of air and every beat of my heart.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/21/15


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Steveng, "Trust God" to what????
---1stcliff on 3/17/15


Did you look in the mirror while you wrote this, Steveng?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/17/15


To insure that the income God grants me is not wasted, and will be there to share with others as needed, I treat money like farmers treat harvests: use what is needed and store for others' needs and future planting. If I were a Catholic priest supported by the church I would not store goods.
---Geraldine on 3/17/15


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