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If Adam Didn't Sin

If Adam had not sinned, how would the world be different today?

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\\Why? Augustine is nothing to me, just some dead Catholic. Why don't you read the Bible? You will see if you open your eyes.\\

By the same token, EGW is just some dead SDA who was wrong in so much.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/15


Nicole, apparently we need to go even s-l-o-w-e-r.
You wrote:
"O Felix culpa
O happy fault,
O necessary sin of Adam
which gained for us so great a Redeemer!
St. Augustine agrees, since he wrote it."-Nicole_Lacey on 9/13/15
-First of all, he didn't write in English.
Secondly, the Latin portion, "felix culpa", was not written by him either.
If there is a problem with the translation, the error is theirs, but to promote an error from lack of knowledge is still unacceptable.
You are wrong.
James 5:16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed...
1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood...
---micha9344 on 9/21/15


Micha, lets take it slowly. You copied me:

I just read a page of him writing it.-Nicole_Lacey 9/18/15
-I'm quite sure you read it in English.
-St. Augustine wrote in Latin and did mot write "felix culpa."
St. Augustine agrees, since he wrote it.-Nicole_Lacey 9/13/15 ---michas9344 9/19/15

I answered:
Ever heard of translation? ---Nicole Lacey 9/19/15

You oddly wrote this:

Nicole,
"Felix culpa" is Latin.
St. Augustine wrote in Latin.
St. Augustine didn't write "felix culpa."
There is no need to translate "from" Latin "to" Latin.---micha9344 9/20/15

The Latin was translated to English for people like me can read it today.

TRANSLATION
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/20/15


Nicole,
"Felix culpa" is Latin.
St. Augustine wrote in Latin.
St. Augustine didn't write "felix culpa."
There is no need to translate "from" Latin "to" Latin.
You are wrong.
No hatred, just correction.
Pro 15:10a Correction [is] grievous unto him that forsaketh the way...
There is a reason I seem grevious to you.
---micha9344 on 9/20/15


Nicole: "Just Goggle St Augustine and the fall of Adam and Eve. You will see if you open your eyes."

Why? Augustine is nothing to me, just some dead Catholic. Why don't you read the Bible? You will see if you open your eyes.


---jerry6593 on 9/20/15




/I just read a page of him writing it.\-Nicole_Lacey on 9/18/15
-I'm quite sure you read it in English.
-St. Augustine wrote in Latin and did mot write "felix culpa."--michas9344 on 9/19/15

Ever heard of translation?

Why the hate, Micha?

I can't tell I get under your skin.

Relax, you don't even know me to have such anger in your heart towards me.

I am not that important.

Just ignore me.

PEACE
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/19/15


/I just read a page of him writing it.\-Nicole_Lacey on 9/18/15
-I'm quite sure you read it in English.
-St. Augustine wrote in Latin and did mot write "felix culpa."
/St. Augustine agrees, since he wrote it.\-Nicole_Lacey on 9/13/15
He didn't write "felix culpa."-micha9344 on 9/18/15
=Do you really have so much pride not to be able to admit when you are wrong?
=Or do you really not know this so you're covering up your ignorance with more ignorance?
---michas9344 on 9/19/15


Micha, The words "felix Culpa is a Latin phrase used in Mass.
St Augustine an explanation of the fall man and how it benefit us.
I just read a page of him writing it.

Just Goggle St Augustine and the fall of Adam and Eve.
You will see if you open your eyes.


Nicole: "Adam's sin started the SALVATION PLAN. Genesis 3:15
My Bible says that the plan of salvation was in place before the foundation of the world 1Pet 1:19,20. --jerry6593

Of course, God knew man would fall and how he would fall. So God had a Salvation plan.

You can have diet plan on Sunday night but the plan doesn't Start until Monday morning.

Putting the plan into action.

Genesis 3:15 STARTS THE PLAN INTO ACTION.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/18/15


/St. Augustine agrees, since he wrote it.\-Nicole_Lacey on 9/13/15
He didn't write "felix culpa."
---micha9344 on 9/18/15


Nicole: "Adam's sin started the SALVATION PLAN.
Genesis 3:15"

My Bible says that the plan of salvation was in place before the foundation of the world (1Pet 1:19,20). Gen 3:15 does mention the plan of salvation but rather enmity with Satan.

So you and Augustine agree that sin is wonderful. So what? That's just two ordinary people's opinion. It is the Bible that carries weight with me.


---jerry6593 on 9/18/15




I could not agree more. But that is not what you said.--jerry6593 on 9/13/15

You are correct. But you are not applying my answer to this question.

Does His torture and death make you happy?---jerry6593 on 9/12/15

Are you happy you were born causing your mother pain? Of course not, but you are happy you were born even if it caused your mother pain.

No other way to be born.
Your mother knew having you would cause her pain.
But, she still had you in that pain.

Adam's sin started the SALVATION PLAN.
Genesis 3:15

O Felix culpa
O happy fault,
O necessary sin of Adam
which gained for us so great a Redeemer!

St. Augustine agrees, since he wrote it.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/13/15


Nicole: "NO SHAME FOR BEING HAPPY AND IN LOVE WITH JESUS!"

I could not agree more. But that is not what you said. You said you are happy that sin entered the world. I too am happy for Jesus' condescension and salvation of sinners, but I don't find any joy in the workings of Satan.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?



---jerry6593 on 9/13/15


Jesus was not happy in the Garden of Gethsemane or on the Cross. Does His torture and death make you happy?---jerry6593

Of course Jesus wasn't happy, but His LOVE MADE Him stay in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the Cross.

Remember He told Peter He could call on more than twelve legions of angels. (cited source: Matthew 26:53)

Are you happy when you work or love your children to work for them?

Are you happy when you pay your car or house payment, or love the fact your children don't have to walk and can sleep underneath a roof?

LOVE

Yes, I am happy and love the fact that Jesus accepted torture and dying on the cross just for the LOVE of ME.

NO SHAME FOR BEING HAPPY AND IN LOVE WITH JESUS!
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/12/15


Nicole: Happy Sin? Maybe sin makes you happy, but Jesus was not happy in the Garden of Gethsemane or on the Cross. Does His torture and death make you happy?



---jerry6593 on 9/12/15


God created (wrote) the Script(ure)! Everything in life is as it should be in order to fulfill God's will & purpose for mankind's (our) existence. Life on Earth is higher(est) education (school). The courses (curriculum) set before us is How To Establish a Health Well-balance Relationship With God 101 & How To Understanding the Difference Between Good & Evil 101. It's time for us to grow up in the Word of God!
---Leon on 9/11/15


If Adam didn't sin, we mostly likely wouldn't be alive.

Ever heard of O Felix culpa?

O happy fault,
O necessary sin of Adam
which gained for us
so great a Redeemer!

Felix culpa is a Latin phrase that comes from the words felix (meaning "happy," "lucky," or "blessed")
and culpa (meaning "fault" or "fall") --Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/11/15


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Rob: "I believe if Adam did not sin, there would be no need for Christ as our Savior."

The plan of salvation (Christ's condescension and sacrifice for us) was in place before the Creation of this world. God saw the future, that we would sin, and yet He willing went forward with the Creation. What infinite love!


---jerry6593 on 9/10/15


I believe if Adam did not sin, there would be no need for Christ as our Savior.
---Rob on 9/9/15


L2: "Leon, no free will involved. All choices have causes."

Choice IS a cause. By exercising your own free will to believe in the deceptive doctrine of predestination, you are attempting to transfer the guilt of your own sinful choices from yourself to God, since you think that He is the ultimate cause of your transgressions. Good luck with that in the Judgment.


---jerry6593 on 9/7/15


I believe from the very beginning God created Angels and man with free will. Satan and 1/3 fell, because they had free will. God created man too with free will. But I also believe when it is all said and done, as God KNEW His plan from the beginning to have a New Heaven and Earth where all that will be part of it will be their because of the free will of wanting to be there. God never forced anyone to be saved. God wants to be loved for who He is. If God wanted a perfect robotic creation He would have done that from the beginning.
---kathr4453 on 9/7/15


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There is a causal chain which God has absolute control of.
---learner2 on 9/6/15


StrongAxe, I agree with you. It's just that no one can know for sure that they could have made a different choice. One can never go back to that previous instance and rechoose.
---lea on 9/3/15


learner2:

You said: Leon, no free will involved. All choices have causes.
While objectively, from God's view, this is true, subjectively, from our point of view, it isn't. Joshua said "choose this day whom you will serve", not "let God pull the puppet strings and determine who you will serve". If we had no choice in anything, what is the point of preaching, listening to preaching, proselytizing, repentance, etc., since all choices are pre-determined anyway?
---StrongAxe on 9/3/15


Leon, no free will involved. All choices have causes.
---learner2 on 8/31/15


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kathr4453:

You said: EVIL entered Eden via the serpent. But Praise God, in the New Heaven and Earth " NO EVIL will enter in".

But it's curious that God DID allow evil to enter the old heaven (i.e. Lucifer, and see his conversations in Job), especially considering that he's omniscient, and knows everything that will happen, and the resulting consequences, ahead of time.
---StrongAxe on 8/31/15


///God set things up in the Garden of Eden in such a way to guarantee that Adam and Eve would sin.
---learner2 on 8/30/15///

L2: Whenever "free will" is involved, there's always going to be trial & error (various degrees of learning experiences). That's an integral part of the growing up (maturing) process.
---Leon on 8/30/15


kathr4453:

You said: When Adam sinned, although he lived many years, would NOT be alive TODAY.

He would, if he had eaten from the fruit of the Tree of Life.

---StrongAxe on 8/30/15
Yes we can ask What if's till the cows come home, but this one is clearly covered in scripture. They were removed from Eden and the Tree of Life.

EVIL entered Eden via the serpent. But Praise God, in the New Heaven and Earth " NO EVIL will enter in".
Considering what God has revealed to us TODAY, and His Plan from before the foundation of the world to bring many sons INTO GLORY, which Adam was never promised, I'll stick with God's original plan.
---kathr4453 on 8/31/15


kathr4453:

You said: When Adam sinned, although he lived many years, would NOT be alive TODAY.

He would, if he had eaten from the fruit of the Tree of Life.

If none had died from the beginning, could the earth hold all from the beginning of time?

Man was instructed to be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth - NOT overflow the earth. Presuably birth rates would slow down to accomodate available resources. We see this in animals now.

...doesn't look promising.

Such hypothetical questions are often pointless. What if Satan hadn't fallen? What if Jesus was evil? What if the sun was dark? These often lead to futile discussions.
---StrongAxe on 8/30/15


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God set things up in the Garden of Eden in such a way to guarantee that Adam and Eve would sin.
---learner2 on 8/30/15


Strongaxe, the question was...how would the world be TODAY. When Adam sinned, although he lived many years, would NOT be alive TODAY.

If none had died from the beginning, could the earth hold all from the beginning of time?

Interesting thought.....in the New Heaven and Earth, where the heavens and universe has no limits, we will not be procreating to fill the universe. But if Adam had never sinned, there would be no New Heaven and earth either. Satan and 1/3 of the Angels would still be in a fallen state, still having access to God. Still trying to tempt with sin. Constantly being harassed by satan.....doesn't look promising.
---kathr4453 on 8/30/15


Geraldine, if Adam had not sinned, there would be no need for a Savior. Man would still be in the age of innocence, still naked, and living in the Garden, where they were originally placed before being put out and the Garden closed forever because of their sin. Their eyes would not be opened to see they were naked, so no need for them to be covered.
---kathr4453 on 8/30/15


kathr4453:

You said: Serious overcrowding of naked people in a very small piece of real estate called the Garden of Eden.

Adam and Eve were forbidden from re-entering the garden after the Fall. There is nothing saying they were forbidden from leaving before the fall. Also, given how few children they (and all the other antedeluvians) had during their extremely long lifespans, overcrowding would not have been a problem in the entire earth for a very long time.
---StrongAxe on 8/29/15


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Huh?! What about that little matter of them being fruitful & multiplying? How do you think that would've worked out by now?
---Leon on 8/28/15

///Serious overcrowding of naked people in a very small piece of real estate called the Garden of Eden.
---kathr4453 on 8/29/15///

That is nothing short of ludicrous nonsense. Certainly that must've hurt your mind, or at least caused your brain to freeze, to conclude such illogical, twisted lunacy like that. It's quite apparent you just don't and/or can't get it. smh
---Leon on 8/29/15


Huh?! What about that little matter of them being fruitful & multiplying? How do you think that would've worked out by now?
---Leon on 8/28/15

Serious overcrowding of naked people in a very small piece of real estate called the Garden of Eden.
---kathr4453 on 8/29/15


///If Adam had not sinned, Adam and Eve would still be alive today running around naked in a small peace of real estate called the Garden of Eden.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/15///

Huh?! What about that little matter of them being fruitful & multiplying? How do you think that would've worked out by now?
---Leon on 8/28/15


josef 3/20 (2) is correct, and the Adams did sin of course. However Philippians 3:20-21, 2Peter 3:10, Revelations 21:1-22:17 give us a glimpse of heaven.
---Glenn on 8/28/15


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It was not that "SIN" had happened, it was that mankind had now posessed the KNOWLEDGE that some things are OK/"GOOD" and some are NOT OK/"GOOD" (prudishness).

Gen 3:22 knowing good and evil

2Sa 14:17 discern good and evil. The LORD your God be with you!"


1Ki 3:9

Give thy servant therefore an understanding mind to govern thy people, that I may discern between good and evil

God wants us to have a CLEAR understanding of how to use the KNOWLEDGE of right and wrong, good and bad so that when "GOOD" changes to "BAD", there is "no shadow or variation" and that the "change" is sudden.
---faithforfaith on 8/27/15


In God, there is no middle ground (no variation or shadow)

when right changes to wrong (the change from right to wrong is abrupt/sudden (there is NO MIDDLE GROUND between RIGHT and WRONG).

James 1:17 there is no variation or shadow due to change.

Jesus did not come to bring peace on earth, He came to bring a SWORD (between right and wrong...Sword of HIS SPIRIT).
---faithforfaith on 8/27/15


If Adam & Eve hadn't sinned, they would've done exactly as God said, & become fruitful & multiplied all over the earth. The human & animal condition would've been far from a garden paradise by now with all the over population congestion due to no one dying. By now, probably every square inch of the planet would've been filled by people, animals & plants. We humans wouldn't have had the opportunity to experience cosmic adversity (evil) & learn how much God loves us all. School is in cession y'all!
---Leon on 8/27/15


/This is not scriptural !\-1stcliff on 3/20/15
The question isn't scriptural.
How can the answer be?
It's hard to accuse someone of an unscriptural answer if the question denies scripture to begin with.
---micha9344 on 4/1/15


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If Adam had not sinned, Adam and Eve would still be alive today running around naked in a small peace of real estate called the Garden of Eden.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/15


Steveng:

You said: There are sabbaths and there is THE sabbath.

Paul said: an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
---StrongAxe on 3/30/15


StrongAxe: Peter wrote of Paul "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." (2Pe 3:16)

Paul's writings, like all of Scripture, must be tested by the body of scripture by us, as by the Bereans. The feast days were prophecies which met their fulfillment at the cross. The weekly Sabbath, however is as permanent as is our 7-day week and our Creator God which it memorializes.

Don't you think it odd that neither Paul nor any other Apostle made mention of anything special about Sunday, yet faithfully kept the 7th day Sabbath?

---jerry6593 on 3/31/15


There are sabbaths and there is THE sabbath.
---Steveng on 3/30/15


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jerry6593:

Paul said: an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Nothing in this passage remotely hints that "sabbath" means "special festival sabbaths". Quite to the contrary. The very fact that "holy day" and "new moon" are listed separately means they are different things.

Besides, even if they WERE the same, so what? Holy day sabbaths were equivalent to normal sabbaths, and required to be kept, and with the same penalties for breaking them - so exempting one from those is just as monumental as exempting one from normal sabbaths.

If Paul's words are wrong, why are they scripture?
---StrongAxe on 3/30/15


StrongAxe: You are an intelligent man. I hope to convince you that my interpretation of the importance of keeping God's Commandments is the correct one, and the only one that aligns with ALL of Scripture. I believe that your take on Paul's "freedom of opinion" discourse on the sabbath days, like your take on his "not under the law" remarks are misapplied, in that (in context) he is referring to festivals - not the weekly Sabbath Day. This take aligns with the body of Scripture, with Pauls own example, and with Jesus' own words. Yours does not.

Do you think that any man - Apostle or not - has the power to change God's Law?



---jerry6593 on 3/30/15


jerry6593:

Romans 14:5:
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

If you try to persuade others that Sabbatarianism is right and they are wrong, you are violating Paul's word.

Colossians 2:16:
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

If any Sunday-observing Christian even listens to you about this subject, he is violating Paul's word.
---StrongAxe on 3/29/15


Cluny wrote: "It's the teaching of the Orthodox Church that God loves us, His special creation, so very much that He wishes to be identified with us as closely as possible."

Is that why he is sending some to everlasing life and some to hell?
---Steveng on 3/29/15


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Part of the reason you have troble finding the places is that the RCC church claim that it was the only true church during the first millieum is a false claim. They were one with the Orthodox at that time.

But all the way up to John Paul II they continued to make the claim.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/29/15


StrongAxe: Need more?

"The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday." - the Catholic Mirror, Sept. 23, 1893, p. 9

"The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant." The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

I've got lots more if you're still not convinced.


---jerry6593 on 3/29/15


jerry6593:

You wrote: Notice this from A Doctrinal Catechism by Stephen Keenan:

A Google search of this book reveals the following sites:
1) Copies of the book, or ways to buy it (neutral)
2) SDA/Sabbatarian sites that quote the passage you did (noted bias)
3) Catholic sites that quote other parts of it (i.e. not relevant)
4) Weird cult/conspiracy theory sites (fringe groups)
I couldn't find any Catholic sites that quote this passage and say "yes, we did it, because we could".
---StrongAxe on 3/28/15


Mark E: Time to learn (straight from the horse's mouth):

Notice this from A Doctrinal Catechism by Stephen Keenan:
Q. Have you any other way of proving that the [Catholic] church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.


---jerry6593 on 3/28/15


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Your problem Mark Eaton is that the Bible never calls Sunday the Lord's day. That is reserved for the Sabbath.


Matthew 12:8

For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.


Secondly John was a Jew as were all the apostles they had and always did always keep Sabbath.

You see it should be you trying to show where they quit keeping Sabbath.

Why did they still call it Sabbath in all the New Testament if it was no longer the Sabbath?

Sunday keeping is based on much latter traditions. It is not from the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/27/15


The Apostles never taught Sunday sacredness...
---jerry6593 on 3/27/15

Perhaps your facts are incorrect.

Rev 1:10 "I was in the Spirit on the Lords Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet"

The Lord's Day was Sunday. The day that Jesus rose from the grave. The day when the Holy Spirit was given, Pentecost always falls on Sunday (Deut. 16:9). The Apostles came together to celebrate Holy Communion on a Sunday (Acts 20:7).

What Scriptures can you provide where they the Apostles celebrated (not preached on) the Sabbath after Jesus ascended?
---Mark_Eaton on 3/27/15


I agree with Samuel.


As I understand the definition of orthodoxy, it means conformity to the straight doctrines of the Apostles. Cluny does NOT teach this. He rather teaches man-made perversions of that straight testimony.

The Apostles never taught Sunday sacredness, Theistic Evolution or the use of incense in church. Neither do SDA's. But Cluny's "know-it-all" church does.


---jerry6593 on 3/27/15


I believe all the doctrines of the Seventh day Adventist church are correct.

But I do nt always agree with church leadership. Jerry might say the same thing.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/25/15


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Notice that jerry did not answer my direct question whether he believes the SDA is always right.

Why is that?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/25/15


StrongAxe: I disagree. As I understand the definition of orthodoxy, it means conformity to the straight doctrines of the Apostles. Cluny does NOT teach this. He rather teaches man-made perversions of that straight testimony.


---jerry6593 on 3/24/15


jerry, don't you think the SDA church is always right?

If not, why are you a member of it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/15


jerry6593:

You said: anyone who says "I am always right" is immediately WRONG!

Not necessarily. People who say this are either, in fact, always right (e.g. God), or vain. Even Peter was not always right, and Jesus rebuked him on one occasion, a rooster on another, and Paul on another.

It is easily proven that cluny's version of Orthodoxy isn't even orthodox, since it teaches doctrines that the Apostles never taught.

This doesn't always hold either. It's only if they teach something that contradicts Apostolic teaching that it becomes a problem. If I teach someone to configure his router, I'm not automatically a heretic, even though the Apostles never taught about routers.
---StrongAxe on 3/23/15


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StrongAxe: Exactly right! In fact, anyone who says "I am always right" is immediately WRONG!

It is easily proven that cluny's version of Orthodoxy isn't even orthodox, since it teaches doctrines that the Apostles never taught.


---jerry6593 on 3/23/15


Cluny:

You said: the Orthodox Church is always right in what she teaches.

Yes, but almost every church, denomination, cult, or religion also believes this of itself (just look at ISIS). Such an assertion also ends discussion, because it is impossible to argue.
---StrongAxe on 3/22/15


1stCliff, the Orthodox Church is always right in what she teaches.

And the, "My country, right or wrong" is a misquote. I'll let you look up the proper one.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/15


Cluny, OK I get it now, sometimes it's difficult to separate Christianity from churchianity !
Sometime back, Americans had a saying "My country,right or wrong ", Is this how you feel like "My church, right or wrong"?
Just askin'
---1stcliff on 3/21/15


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\\How can you be sure of this?
---StrongAxe on 3/21/15\\

It's the teaching of the Orthodox Church that God loves us, His special creation, so very much that He wishes to be identified with us as closely as possible.

I've already mentioned this, and I don't know why 1stCliff asked it again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/15


Cluny, **The incarnation was always part of God'a plan** ???
Without the "fall of man" what would have been the reason for the "advent" .??
He came, stayed 33 i/2 years and left. That time to ransom us from Adamic sin and death !
---1stcliff on 3/20/15


"I think the word you're looking for is "descendants" not "ancestors". Ancestors are your forebears." Cluny, yes that was a mistake, thank you.
---josef on 3/20/15


Cluny:

You said: I'm saying that the Incarnation was always part of God's plan, with or without the event we call the "fall of mankind."

It would still have happened.


How can you be sure of this?
---StrongAxe on 3/21/15


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\\You're suggesting that Christ would have been on "stand by" in case some one sinned ? This is not scriptural !\\

Not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying that the Incarnation was always part of God's plan, with or without the event we call the "fall of mankind."

It would still have happened.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/20/15


Cluny, I understand perfectly why Jesus left heaven to "take on flesh" because sin would have fallen (and did) on ALL Adams descendants . Had this not happened 'till later it would have only have affected that sinners descendants.
You're suggesting that Christ would have been on "stand by" in case some one sinned ? This is not scriptural !
---1stcliff on 3/20/15


\\If he had not sinned, one of his ancestors would have.\\

I think the word you're looking for is "descendants" not "ancestors". Ancestors are your forebears.

**Cluny, **If only ONE person had sinned. God would still have taken flesh**
What are you talking about here?**

What part of "God taking flesh" do you not understand? This is what the Incarnation teaches.

Glory to Jesus Christ
---Cluny on 3/20/15


"If Adam had not sinned, how would the world be different today?"
Cluny it would be no different. If he had not sinned, one of his ancestors would have.
Jesus "Truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world," as "the Lamb [of God] slain from the foundation of the world." Rev 13:8>1Pe 1:20
---josef on 3/20/15


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Cluny, **If only ONE person had sinned. God would still have taken flesh**
What are you talking about here?
---1stcliff on 3/20/15


If no one had ever sinned, God would still have been incarnate in Jesus Christ, because He loves us so much He wishes to be identified with us as closely as possible.

And if only ONE person had sinned, God would still have taken flesh because he loves that person so much.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/19/15


Mankind would enjoy continuous life !
---1stcliff on 3/19/15


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