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Is Holy Spirit A Mother

If the Godhead is one, Father and Son, is the Holy Spirit in the position of being Mother? and why do some people call the Holy spirit Sophia? Spirit is neither male or female? Is it wrong to think of the Holy Spirit as a Mother version of Father God? The spirit hovers over us and births new life.

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StrongAxe,

1. Who is to say Jesus could not be 2 genders is not he God to do as he pleases?

2. Yes, the male carried the inheritance in Moses's Time and who do you think created that who set that in motion and why?

3. Ruach is used as masculine in Numbers 11:31 and Isaiah 57:16
You are referring to Genesis 1:2 to be feminine but when read in context is used to be a comparison or figurative.

God (the trinity) is male... all praise to him...
---john9346 on 7/21/15


john9346 said: Jesus is God who can do whatever he wants so why did he come as male and not female or Gender Neutral.

Jesus needed a gender - male or female, not both. The "average" human is 50% male and 50% female, but around 50% are male, 50% are female, and 0% are gender neutral - so "average" is definitely not "typical".

Also, by God's law given to Moses, inheritance and kingship was passed by the male line, not the female.


Glenn said: God always refers to Himself in the masculine, Genesis 1:26 (masculine plural)

In Hebrew and many 2-gender languages, masculine is also used for indeterminate or mixed genders. Also "ruach" (spirit) is feminine.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/15


No. The Bible says that the Holy Spirit is a HE.


---jerry6593 on 7/20/15


Wait a minute, John. I have to know this question before I can continue debating with you.

Do you believe Jesus is Truly Fully God and Truly Fully Man?

If yes, then we can continue.
If no, then how can we?

Your comment of Jesus not bound to human constraints isn't correct.

Unless you mean it differently?

God chose to be BOUND to human constraint.

Matthew 16:19b Whatever you (Peter) BIND on earth shall be BOUND in
Heaven, and whatever you (Peter) loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven."

Jesus' Words not mine.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/11/15


Nicole,

1. The Second Adam doesn't answer the question because Jesus is not bound by humanConstraints.
Again, why was Jesus male and not female remember Jesus is God who can do whatever he wants so why did he come as male and not female or Gender Neutral.

2. The Hebrew Words Yahweh, Elohim, Adonai, Yeshua, and the Greek Words for Lord and God are Masculine Beings not rules.

3. If the Holy Spirit is neither male or female then Jesus was a liar when he said what he said in John 14:9 and 10:30 and Colossians is not to be believed.
---john9346 on 7/10/15




Yes John, Jesus is God.
As you said. God could have come as a woman but God DIDN'T. Why?

It makes perfect sense why God Didn't come as a woman.
No need.
Why fix something halfway?

Again, the fall of man is because of ADAM not Eve.

God became a man to completely correct Adam's fall.
God is whole and complete.
God is order and precise.

Why did God make Adam first?
Why not Eve from the dirt and Adam from her?

Many questions, but only one factor. Fix what is broken.
That is God's business.
Healing through mercy.
Remember, God didn't have to join the human race.
God could have saved us without entering the human race.

But it is SO beautiful that God came to our level, isn't it?
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/10/15


Glenn, I have read your Scriptures and you are all over the map. It doesn't make sense, plus a couple proves my point.

All 3 Persons of the Trinity are given Masculine rules.
Rules, not Beings.

Jesus gives only one prayer to us. And it starts with 'Our Father...
Father is a MAN Thus Masculine.

The Holy Spirit overshadows Mary so she conceives Jesus.
Since Mary is the FEMALE and carrying the BABY. The Holy Spirit is BEHAVING AS A MAN.
MASCULINE again.

Jesus DID take the form of a MAN.
So I gave you Scripture proofs backing up my statement.

John, what part of Jesus being the 2nd Adam do you not understanding?
Not 2nd King David or 2nd Abraham. But Adam who was a man. Not Eve who is a woman.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/9/15


Nicole you said, "So, Jesus had to come in the MALE form to undo Adam's sin."

Nicole, Jesus did not have to come in the male form remember Jesus is God according to Scripture.

By the fact that he did is exactly my question why did he come as male not female after all he is God isn't he according to Scripture?
---john9346 on 7/9/15


There are many people who do not have a Biblical worldview, but instead, filter the Lord's Word through their own philosophical lens *1. In keeping with the admixture of Platonic-humanism, some people are trying to feminize the scripture *2.
Nicole_Lacey: Your comment on 7/4 was incomplete as the R.C. (itself) refers to those in the Trinity as masculine. I gave three verses in the third line 7/7, and the Catechism as evidence.
*1 Matthew 21:42-44. Mark 7:6-7, 13, 1Corinthians 11:3-16, Galatians 1:6-9, Colossians 2:8, 1Peter 2:6-8, 2Peter 3:16-17.
*2 Deuteronomy 22:5, Matthew 15:13-14.
---Glenn on 7/9/15


Glenn, in your other blog you made a mistake. PLEASE read CCC 846 again.

You are not understanding what you are reading.

Salvation outside the Catholic Church is not possible because of ACTS 4:16
If the RCC is the Body of Christ as Jesus is the Head then you have to come to that conclusion.

The RCC ISN'T SAYING everyone outside the Church is going to hell.
She is saying you are being SAVED through the Catholic Church whether you REALIZE IT OR NOT. A Difference.

As when a 5 year boy thinks he is cutting the grass with his TOY lawn mover as he is ahead of his father's TRUE lawn mover.

But WHO IS REALLY CUTTING THE GRASS? THE FATHER.

So as Salvation is through the Church started by Jesus. The RCC.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/9/15




Glenn, I think you made a mistake with CCC 683 and 687.

I read both and I don't see the connection of your statement?

I guess I am slow. So please be more specific about what you do not like what is said in those 2 numbers.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/8/15


No, Sophia G4678 is the Greek word for wisdom, Wisdom is personified as a woman in Proverbs 1:20, etc., but God always refers to Himself in the masculine, Genesis 1:26 (masculine plural), Luke 4:18, John 16:13.
The Gnostics believed in a goddess called Sophia. And so an amalgam of Christianity with an antagonistic philosophy produced a monstrous theology. 2Corinthians 6:14-18.
John 3:6-7 doesn't imply that the Spirit is female, just as Genesis 2:21-24 doesn't imply that Adam was a woman. We often think certain characteristics are male or female. But if a man were to comfort his own small child, it would be unfair to say that he violated Deuteronomy 22:5 for example.
Nicole_Lacey: C.C.C. 683, 687.
---Glenn on 7/7/15


Yes, but why was Jesus male?
---john9346 on 7/5/15

Yes, I read those verse, but the main reason is 1 Cor 15:45.

The RCC doesn't blame the fall of man on Eve, but ADAM.

Because God put Adam in charge of the Garden of Eden.
Also, after the fall God is calling who? Adam not Eve.

So, Jesus had to come in the MALE form to undo Adam's sin.

Original Sin.

Adam and Eve were not made the same.
Adam from the dirt, and Eve from the bone of Adam made from the dirt. But, Eve is connected to Adam.

So when Jesus becomes the new Adam His Blood saves EVERYONE (who wants to be saved) due to our connection to Adam.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/6/15


Nicole,

You said, "Jesus is the only male one in the Trinity because the God Person took a male body and is keeping the male body for forever."

Yes, but why was Jesus male?

Have you read Colossians 2:9 and John 14:9?
---john9346 on 7/5/15


Learner is correct. Jesus is the only male one in the Trinity because the God Person took a male body and is keeping the male body for forever.

The two have male characteristics for UNDERSTANDING of their role in our lives.

But, the 1st and 3rd Persons of Trinity are neither Male nor Female.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/4/15


Christ spoke of the Father. Our Father is definitely male. Christ did not come as a woman. He came as a man. If these three are one...John 5:7 for those of you who have the authorized King James Version, then it would be logical that the Holy Spirit is male. Let us also consider that it was the Holy Spirit that came to Mary and she conceived. (By nature it is the joining of male and female, not the joining of female and female to create a child.) The Holy Spirit is also spoken of as the Spirit of Christ. I know some of the pronouns used are not gender specific, but let's use some common sense people.
---trey on 7/4/15


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John9346, as you wish.
---learner2 on 7/1/15


Greetings,

1. If the Holy Spirit is neither male nor female, then why wasn't Jesus Gender Neutral?

2. If the Holy Spirit is female, then why didn't Jesus come as a female? Couldn't he had done so, but why didn't he?

3. If the Holy Spirit is female, then would the Holy Spirit be God?
---john9346 on 7/1/15


"Jesus is the only male member of the Trinity."

Learner2, have you not read Colossians 2:9 and John 14:9?

The trinity is male.
---john9346 on 6/30/15


Jesus is the only male member of the Trinity.
---learner2 on 6/30/15


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The Holy Spirit is neither Male or Female, but the 3rd Person of the Godhead.

But, the Holy Spirit plays the role of a man since the Holy Spirit came upon Mary and she conceive Jesus. Luke 2

No matter what the High Court rule last week, it still takes a man and a woman to have a 3rd person resemble the first 2 persons.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/27/15


The Holy Spirit is the breathe of God
---mike on 6/26/15


The Holy Spirit is male in role and in the Godhead.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Comfortless-Orphanos-Fatherless
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever,
Comforter-Paracletos-Replacement.
Now, if Jesus is male, and the Father also is male in role, then so too the Holy Spirit of God.
---micha9344 on 5/19/15

Good stuff Micha.
Pretty logical as you point out.
Added scripture for confirmation.
Is a mark these days, confused males, not assuming their birthright positions.
Confused in a fundamental, confused in the whole.
1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that... denieth the Father and the Son.
---Trav on 5/20/15


The Holy Spirit is male in role and in the Godhead.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Comfortless-Orphanos-Fatherless
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever,
Comforter-Paracletos-Replacement.
Now, if Jesus is male, and the Father also is male in role, then so too the Holy Spirit of God.
---micha9344 on 5/19/15


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I always believed before that spirits were neither male or female though angelic spirits can appear as humans.
---judy_chapman on 5/7/15


Gordon, and that is where we disagree.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/15


Kathr4453, Each Person of the Trinity is a unique Divine Person even within Their ONE-Ness.

That leaves plenty of space for Two Masculines and One Feminine.
---Gordon on 4/13/15


Romans 8:11-14

11 But if the Spirit of "him" that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.


Gordon, The Lord our God is ONE, in three persons, not three genders.

If my post was confusing, I apologize. I in no way was insinuating there was sexual intercourse involved.
---kathr4453 on 4/10/15


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Kathr4453, But you said "women with women don't conceive".

You said that because you're trying to refute that a Feminine Holy Spirit could cause the virgin Mary (another feminine being) to conceive.

Right?

If you understand that the Holy Spirit did not have sexual intercourse with the virgin Mary, then why is it that the Holy Spirit would especially have to be Masculine when it comes to the Spirit causing the virgin to conceive?
---Gordon on 4/10/15


Gordon, I never said there was sexual intercourse. But God uniting His seed with Mary's Egg was a divine act of God, without sexual intercourse. Even today with many methods of fertilizing an egg, no sexual intercourse is needed either.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/15


Kathr4453, Again, The Holy Spirit did not have sexual intercourse with Mary.

That was not how the Divine Conception occurred.

The Holy Spirit, being a part of the Eternal, Divine GOD-Head and "Co-Creator" with the Father and the Son.....

.....the Holy Spirit, Who helped create the human sperm and ovaries, knew then and still knows how to create "Divine Sperm" (Seed) to create the Body of the Christ Child in the womb of the virgin Mary.

There was no "sexual intercourse" involved, nor needed.

Therefore,

the Holy Spirit did not need to be Masculine to perform the Miraculous Work of Conception in the virgin Mary.
---Gordon on 4/9/15


Jesus also was formed in the womb,human babies are conceived in the tubes. The power of God formed Christ but flesh makes a human. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/2/15


Darlene1, scripture says "conceived", so I must believe conceived it is. Jesus was fully human, fully God, beginning conception in the tube, taking 9 months. So,we have conceived in the tubes and formed in the womb, just like every other birth. The miracle here is she was a virgin, conceived of the Holy Spirit. God being the father, and HIS seed joining her egg the exact same place egg and seed join. The SEED is Christ, who was born of the seed of David, which Mary was in fact that seed of David.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/15


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Genesis 30:22

22 And God remembered Rachel, and God hearkened to her, and opened her womb.

Darlene1, just to reiterate, look up all verses that say womb. Like this one. No mention of "tubes"are ever mentioned concerning conception, even this verse.
---kathr453 on 4/9/15


Question sounds like a teenage boy...how old are you?
---Trav on 4/3/15

Sometimes a question must be asked simply for people to understand.

The question was in response to the statements "Women with women don't conceive" and "It was the Holy Spirit that came upon Mary to impregnate her. A female couldn't do that".

Therefore I asked if the Holy Spirit needed to impregnate Mary in the same way Joseph would. If that was true, then a female Holy Spirit could not impregnate Mary.

But if something else happened beyond our ability to understand which resulted in Mary being pregnant, then the Holy Spirit could be female.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/6/15


Jesus also was formed in the womb, human babies are conceived in the tubes.
---Darlene_1 on 4/2/15

Are you saying that the Holy Spirit used sperm to impregnate Mary and that the Holy Spirit had to be male to conceive Jesus?

I choose to believe that Mary was not impregnated with human male sperm. I choose to believe that the Holy Spirit "merged" Mary's humanity with Himself to form the body of Jesus in the womb of Mary.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/6/15


Where does scripture say the Holy Spirit is the MOTHER of invention, insinuating the Holy Spirit is a woman, mother or even female?
---kathr4453 on 4/2/15

In Latin, the grammatical gender of the Spirit is male. In Greek, the grammatical gender of the Spirit is neutral or neuter. In Hebrew, the grammatical gender is feminine.

Why is the Spirit considered feminine in Hebrew?

I see The Father as the giver of all good things and The Spirit as the means for bring them about.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/6/15


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...think God would need to impregnate Mary in the same way Joseph would?
---Mark_Eaton on 4/2/15

Mary was a Virgin. A GOD that can create all from nothing,eyes, blood, blood cells, does not have a problem.

You speculate here but, do not speculate about GOD's marriage with Israel. The beginning of this story.
Question sounds like a teenage boy...how old are you?
Isa_44:2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, ...whom I have chosen.
Eze_16:8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love, I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord GOD, thou becamest mine.
---Trav on 4/3/15


Thanks for your prayers Shira. He had to have a splint on his broken wrist but no cast at all just another medical device on the broken radial to keep them both still. Thank anyone else who prayed. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/2/15


Please notice, I did not say the Holy Spirit was a mother. I do not consider the Holy Spirit a mother. But I can say that the Holy Spirit is the "mother" of invention, art, music, joy, peace, prosperity, and all the good things in the world.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/24/15


Mark_Eaton, what exactly does this mean and how does it even apply to this question? Where does scripture say the Holy Spirit is the MOTHER of invention, insinuating the Holy Spirit is a woman, mother or even female? The Lord our God is ONE. ONE God in three persons! not three separate Gods in ONE person.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/15


Mark Eaton If I may contribute, the Bible plainly tells us in Luke 1:35 The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Jesus also was formed in the womb,human babies are conceived in the tubes. The power of God formed Christ but flesh makes a human. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/2/15


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Mark Eaton.

NO!

Yes some LDS teach this but then they believe that their god is a type of human.

Jesus is risen.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/2/15


Women with women don't conceive.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/15

I will ask you the same question I asked Jerry.

Do you think God would need to impregnate Mary in the same way Joseph would?
---Mark_Eaton on 4/2/15


Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.


Women with women don't conceive.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/15


Darlene, sorry about yours son. He will be on my prayer list. I pray he will recover quickly.
---shira4368 on 3/30/15


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GOD is ONE in the sense that the three Divine Persons are ONE Unit.

They are still Three unique Persons of the Triune GOD-Head.

The human family is similar.

There are 3 or more persons in a human family, but they are ONE FAMILY.

Declaring the Holy Spirit as Feminine does not change one thing about the Holy Spirit, about what Role the Spirit plays within the GOD-Head, or what Role the Spirit plays in relation to the Church
---Gordon on 3/30/15


I'm sorry to put this on this blog,I hope you aren't offended,but I want y'all who I know will care enough to pray to be praying for my Grandson. He and three friends were going home from riding their motorcycles and he turned a corner,felt the bike falling over,tried to correct but hit the gravel which threw him into a large rock,then he flew over the handle bars and was injured. He cracked his helmet,we don't know if there was a concussion but prayed there wasn't,he broke his wrist,and the radial bone in his lower arm. Of course there is a lot of pain. He also uses his hands to do his job,he is a computer trouble shooter for people who call him for help with their computers. He works for a large company. He's 34. Thank you all. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/29/15


Barb good to have your input. Yes Eve was the only woman made from man's rib/bone without being born of woman. No I don't see what it means anything special beyond the act of creation during the time all things were created,Adam came from dirt didn't he. I think that is the mystery of God John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word,and the Word was with God,and the Word was God-. 14. The Word was made flesh, John testified of Him (this was Jesus-).Yet it says the Word was God. I just accept it all and praise God that He is Lord and that The Lord our God is one Lord. It is a marvelous thing God did for us and I know He could do anything ,anyway He wanted to.Glory! God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/29/15


Gordon, it is not wise to tamper with scripture, however much you have the urge to put your own spin on things.

Accept it or reject it but don't try altering it to say what you want it to say.

When in doubt about any of it pray for guidance but keep those doubts between yourself and God - otherwise you might end up misleading someone else.
---Rita_H on 3/28/15


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Darlene, take a look at Eve's creation. God put Adam to sleep and took out one his ribs and created Eve. Adam had this to say "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh, she shall be called woman because she was Taken Out of Man." She is the one and only human woman who came forth out of the body of a human man. I believe God was trying to show us something here.

The Son and Holy Spirit are a part of God and are always in God but could He not have separated them from out of Himself to send them into the world, the Son as His Word and Redeemer and the Spirit of Truth as a teacher to guide us into all Truth? John 15:26, John 14:26.
---barb on 3/28/15


I mean no disrespect to my Christian Brothers and Sisters but saying the Holy Ghost is a female borders on being heresy. God is Father,then the Bible tells us that Mary's baby was of the Holy Spirit therefore the HS can't be female because time and time again the Bible calls Jesus the Son of God. God is male the Holy Spirit has to be too because the HS is God. I think it's in 1st John that it says the father,and the Word,Jesus,and the Holy Spirit(H Ghost) are all one. Hear oh Israel the Lord your God is one Lord,the Commandment. God is Spirit and we must worship Him in Spirit,we also must look at the Word through Spiritual eyes. The wisdom of man is foolishness to God but those who lean the Word through the Spirit is His blessing. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/27/15


I believe that the Holy Spirit is Feminine and is, in actually, our spiritual Mother.

Many of the attributes that women have in the role of the family are similar to that of the Holy Spirit.

God the Father and God the Son are Masculine and God the Holy Spirit, I believe, is Feminine.

I believe, too, that men were created in the Masculine Image of the Father, and women were created in the Feminine Image of the Holy Spirit.

I am a staunch KJV reader. But, I believe that all pronouns referring to the Holy Spirit were changed from the Feminine to the Masculine and Neuter forms.
---Gordon on 3/27/15


Mark E: "But are you not thinking like a human?"


Duh.... I am a human. What about you?


---jerry6593 on 3/27/15


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Cluny I'm a little surprised you ask me since I hadn't mentioned it but I'm always willing to learn by research since I've never even thought about it. As far as I can find in the Bible all it said is that Mary or the Theotokos which is Mary became with child when Elizabeth was six months along with John and it said Mary hurried to a town in the mountains. Mary stayed there with Elizabeth until John was born,which made Mary about three months or so along with Jesus when she left. If you ever find that answer out will you please share with me,it is an interesting question. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/24/15


Darlene, I have no idea how long it took the Theotokos to go from Nazareth to where St. Elizabeth lived, traditionally the village of Ain Karim near Jerusalem.

Do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/24/15


The proof that Mary wasn't "made with child" in the usual way is in the verse where it says the baby was in the womb. The natural method of conception takes place in the Fallopian Tube where the female gamete and male gamete meet and form a zygote,the beginning of the baby in the tube,then it passes down the tube into the womb. Jesus was formed in the womb from the beginning,not conceived in the Tube as regular humans are. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/24/15


The obstetrics of the conception of the human body and nature of our Savior is hidden from us.

It suffices us to know that "When God so wills, the order of nature is overcome."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/24/15


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It was the Holy Spirit that came upon Mary to impregnate her.
---jerry6593 on 3/24/15

But are you not thinking like a human? Do you think God would need to impregnate Mary in the same way Joseph would?

And why does the Holy Spirit being a female in any way anger or threaten you?

Please notice, I did not say the Holy Spirit was a mother. I do not consider the Holy Spirit a mother. But I can say that the Holy Spirit is the "mother" of invention, art, music, joy, peace, prosperity, and all the good things in the world.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/24/15


Mark E: It was the Holy Spirit that came upon Mary to impregnate her. A female couldn't do that (even in this perverse age of same-sex marriage).


---jerry6593 on 3/24/15


NO! The Holy Spirit is all MALE all the time.
---jerry6593 on 3/23/15

Not so fast there Jerry.

Grammatical gender depends on the language you are reading and the Spirit is NOT all male all the time.

In Latin, the gender of the Spirit is male. In Greek, the gender of the Spirit is neutral or neuter. In Hebrew, the gender is feminine.

But of course, none of this makes any difference because the Spirit is not a physical being and gender only matters to us humans.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/23/15


Cluny, it wasn't just gnostic scrolls that were found. Scrolls from almost all of the old testament were recovered along with the dead sea scrolls.
---barb on 3/23/15


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Is Holy Spirit A Mother?

NO! The Holy Spirit is all MALE all the time.


---jerry6593 on 3/23/15


I believe that Jesus was begotten of God and conceived of the Holy Ghost, not in a physical way but in a spiritual way. Matt 1:18-20.

Just on the off chance that someone out there might want to do some research on the subject you can look up the languages that the bible was written in and then search for the gender pronoun of those languages.

Cluny, you can say what you like about me but please don't insult my flip flops.





---barb on 3/22/15


\\Some of the followers of Jesus went into hiding following His death to avoid being persecuted and killed. They took the Truth with them into the wilderness where many scrolls have been found.
\\

This is pure gnosticism.

In any case, it says that the WOMAN fled into the wilderness, not the followers of Jesus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/22/15


\\The birth of the man child is His spiritual birth\\

Wrong again.

The Son (Who was not yet known as Jesus) was BEGOTTEN in Eternity by the Father alone, not the Holy Spirit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/15


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\\My reality is based on finding spiritual truth and not on the doctrines and traditions of men.

---barb on 3/21/15\\

Are doctrines and traditions of angry depressed women in sensible shoes any better?

That's all you're spouting: feminazi theology.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/15


The Holy Spirit is referred to in the masculine throughout the New Testament, two examples:

"All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills."

"When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come."

Since the Holy Spirit is God and God was always been used in the masculine voice (except when using a metaphor to describe God) his spirit must also be masculine.
---Steveng on 3/21/15


Cluny, Mary gave birth to Jesus in Bethlehem. The woman in Revelation 12 is in Heaven. The birth of the man child is His spiritual birth just as His being caught back up to God is spiritual imagery. Mary was the surrogate or earthly mother. Does the Orthodox church believe Mary gave birth to the remnant?

The woman in Rev. 12 is the Spirit of Truth. John 15:26, Proverbs 8:6-9. Some of the followers of Jesus went into hiding following His death to avoid being persecuted and killed. They took the Truth with them into the wilderness where many scrolls have been found.

My reality is based on finding spiritual truth and not on the doctrines and traditions of men.

---barb on 3/21/15


Wisdom of Proverbs is the Pre-Incarnate Logos, for Whom the great cathedral of Holy Wisdom (Agia Sophia--NOT St. Sophie's) in Constantinope was named.

This idea of the Holy Spirit being the "shakti" of the FAther is nothing other than gnosticism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/15


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I hope this puts an end to such foolish thinking because the Bible makes it plain the Holy Ghost is no woman. This verse shows without a doubt all is of God and all is God 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven,the Father,the Word(Jesus),and the Holy Ghost,and these three are one. Now you have the Bible answer for such an idea that the Holy Ghost is female and if you cling to the HG being female as truth it becomes your lie. To lie is sin and no liar shall enter heaven. I hope you accept God's truth. If I seem to come on strong it's because you are walking on dangerous ground and if you don't change you shall reap what you sow. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/21/15


\\Can that woman be anyone other than the Holy Spirit?\\

Nope. The Holy Spirit never fled into the wilderness, as the woman of Rev 12 did.

Furthermore, MARY is the one who gave birth to Jesus, NOT the Holy Spirit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/21/15


\\I believe the Holy Spirit is God's feminine side. Solomon referred to her as Wisdom. Read Proverbs chapters 8 and 9. Compare Proverbs 8:35-36 to Matt 12:31-33.

To me God is a family consisting of Father, Mother and Son. God created man in His image, both male and female. Gen 1:27. God took Eve out of Adam. \\

Doesn't it bother you to believe things that have no basis in reality?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/20/15


I believe the Holy Spirit is God's feminine side. Solomon referred to her as Wisdom. Read Proverbs chapters 8 and 9. Compare Proverbs 8:35-36 to Matt 12:31-33.-barb

Barb
Hmmm...never really gave this question much merit, but do you make a good case Barb.
---David on 3/21/15


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I believe the Holy Spirit is God's feminine side. Solomon referred to her as Wisdom. Read Proverbs chapters 8 and 9. Compare Proverbs 8:35-36 to Matt 12:31-33.

To me God is a family consisting of Father, Mother and Son. God created man in His image, both male and female. Gen 1:27. God took Eve out of Adam.

In Rev 12 we see a woman in Heaven giving birth to Jesus. Can that woman be anyone other than the Holy Spirit? Jesus taught that we cannot enter into the Kingdom of God unless we are born of the Spirit. John 3:3-8.

"The Lord possessed me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, before ever the earth was. Prov 8:22-30.
---barb on 3/20/15


"Mother" refers to the one who nurtures you.

Referring to the false "church" (the church of man, the place that produces "sons of men" instead of "sons of God"), Jesus says "Come out of HER, my people".

We have been ADOPTED to be SONS OF GOD, we are not to be like the JEWS who were sons of the KINGDOM.

Jesus was the "firstborn of many BRETHREN"/brothers.

We are SONS of the Heavenly Father, BROTHERS/brethren of Jesus (the firstborn).

Come out of her.
---faithforfaith on 3/20/15


No, none of this is right.

And the Holy Spirit has never been identified with Sophia by Christians.

Gnostics yes, Christians no.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/20/15


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