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Were any creatures born in the Garden of Eden while Adam and Eve inhabited it?

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StrongAxe, you continue to say we cannot know how long the six days of creation were, despite the fact that God has defined the length of a day (Genesis 1:5). And you do also but it does not fit with your nonBiblical beliefs. You refuse to answer my oft repeated question because to do so would expose the irrationality of your belief.

The question again:
Again "Please tell me what time period other than one earth-rotation 24hr day has a period of daylight and a period of darkness, and an evening and a morning?"

And now a rhetorical question: Why would the Holman Biblical Dictionary say Genesis 1:5 defines 24hr day if it doesn't?
---Warwick on 3/31/15


Warwick:

You wrote: Do Sceptics say the earth did not rotate in Adam's day? Surely not as one side would have sizzled while the other would have frozen!

Not at all, because by the time Adam was created, the sun HAD already been in existence for several days.

(But this also brings up an interesting point. Did the earth sizzle on Joshua's Long Day? I've seen a few eclipses, and the sun merely being blocked locally and partially for a few hours causes the temperature to drop a few tens of degrees. The Americas must have been very cold on that day!)
---StrongAxe on 3/31/15


Trav, if I was a worrier I would be getting somewhat worried about you. You have added "poser preacher" to your growing list of pet names for me. You have also trawled the internet for information on me, even searching for a photo. I am sure you were disappointed with the one you found! These are all characteristics of a cyber stalker. And you have done other checking haven't you!

Envy is a constant characteristic of the cyber stalker!
---Warwick on 4/1/15


1 Corinthians 15:45 calls the first man created Adam (Genesis 1:27) and Chapter 2 also calls him Adam-same man same couple. -Warwick

Warwick
Not bad, pretty good evidence, and sound advise on (Deuteronomy).

Because of the logical evidence I have shown you in (Genesis), I believe God was referring to Adam, as the 1st man created as a Son of God. As Jesus was the second man created as a Son of God.

Since there have only been two, logic dictates the one created in the Garden was the first.
---David on 4/1/15


David, the underlying Hebrew of Deuteronomy 32:8 says God separated the sons of Adam. Modern translations, in one way or another say God separated/divided the human race, the same thing.

You need to think more carefully before barging in as the sons of Adam/the human race/all mankind, means the same thing. No matter what way you look at it God divided the human race/the sons of Adam, not the sons of anyone else, which gives no support to your belief that those created in Genesis 1:27 are not the same couple i.e Adam and Eve.

1 Corinthians 15:45 calls the first man created Adam (Genesis 1:27) and Chapter 2 also calls him Adam-same man same couple.
---Warwick on 3/31/15




When we place a number (either 1,2,3 or 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc) before 'day' we mean 24hrs-one earth-rotation day. And that is the case in all the major languages I have researched-universal grammar. If we don't have such rules the understanding of language is hopeless. It has always been this way, right from the beginning, as Genesis 1:5 demonstrates to the Bible believer.

The Holman Bible Dictionary gives Genesis 1:5 as THE defining verse of a 24hr day.

And 'The Shorter Oxford Dictionary', p.492 defines 24hrs as: "the time occupied by the earth in one revolution on its axis..."

Do Sceptics say the earth did not rotate in Adam's day? Surely not as one side would have sizzled while the other would have frozen!
---Warwick on 3/31/15


Leon:

You asked: Therefore, a day was measured by God in another way unknown to us?

The point I keep arguing with Warwick about is this: It MAY have been 24 hours. It may have been something else. We don't know. Scripture doesn't say, one way or other, and we're just relying on conjecture to presume either one of these. To assert dogmatically that one MUST be true is presumptuous.
---StrongAxe on 3/31/15


Deu_32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. --Trav on 3/31/15

Trav
Great find!!
If everyone was born of Adam, how could this separation have taken place? It's like separating wheat from wheat.

Noticeable silence from Warwick tells me he may have finally seen the Truth. If so, your welcome Warwick.
---David on 3/31/15


...there isn't even a sun to rotate relative to, as during the first three creation days.
---StrongAxe on 3/30/15

The word used "yom" for "day" can be interpreted as an "Age" or a long period of time. Real simple. GOD's long age days vs our day.

Poser preacher warwick is notably
fearful of any truth search that causes his sand doctrines to melt. He should be. If his was solid there would be no search.
A continual circular defense to hold his "sand" doctrine together is what is seen, endless toil in the sand.
Mat_7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
---Trav on 3/31/15


There were no other people on earth at that time -...
---Rita_H on 3/30/15

It appears to me there are two creation events of male/female in Gen1 and Adam and Eve in Gen2.
Cain married someone outside the Lords presence.
Cain built a city, implying enough people to need a city. It's notable that these people hadn't built a city previous or anyone else.
GOD being GOD does what he wants.
Note that Son's of Adam are separated, below. Noah was a son of Adam.
Deu_32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
---Trav on 3/31/15




...Precisely! This is the method we use now...it is totally meaningless to use such a method when there isn't even a sun to rotate relative to...during the first three creation days.
---StrongAxe on 3/30/15


'Axe: You believe since the Earth had no form & there was no Sun, then there was no 24 hour day prior to day 4? Therefore, a day was measured by God in another way unknown to us?

Is it possible, even without a formed Earth & a yet created Sun, God knew in advance what He wanted the duration of a day to be, i.e., 24 hours? That's what His Genesis action plan shows. God said it was good & ALL the creatures He made "immediately" began multiplying on Earth, & it happened before the fall of Man.
---Leon on 3/31/15


Trav:

I. She could've already been Cain's mate, probably with children.
IV. Where does Scripture say that?
---Leon on 3/30/15

1. Possible but,...scripture doesn't say that either. Why build a city?
Did you and your kids/grandkids build a city? It imply's to me that there were people already there. Doesn't make it so...just the way I see it.

4. Gen_4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. (He wasn't in the presence...they weren't either)
---Trav on 3/31/15


Leon:

You wrote: 'Axe: Isn't a day determine by how long it takes the Earth to rotate on it's axis around the Sun?

Precisely! This is the method we use now. However, it is totally meaningless to use such a method when there isn't even a sun to rotate relative to, as during the first three creation days.
---StrongAxe on 3/30/15


StrongAxe, you avoiding the question because an honest would undermine your tale.

Again "Please tell me what time period other than one earth-rotation 24hr day has a period of daylight and a period of darkness, and an evening and a morning?"

Joshua's long day is instructive and irrelevant as it, like the first ever day, could be described thusly: "God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day." That the daylight was longer is why it's called a long day. An explained exception, no rule breaker.

But you say God could not light the earth without the sun! Why did God therefore say He created in 6-days?
---Warwick on 3/31/15


StrongAxe, in Exodus 20:8-11 God commanded the Israelites to work 6 days, rest the 7th. The single reason God gives for why they are to do this is because He created in 6 and rested the 7th.

As to when the Sabbath was had to be understood because working on the 7th day was punished by death, Exodus 31:14.

God had already defined what a day (the first ever day) on earth was: having created light "God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day." Genesis 1:5.

Your speculations are not Scriptural but in fact contradicted by Scripture, as the record shows. The problem does not concern Gods linguistic shortcomings but your willing ignorance.
---Warwick on 3/31/15


(Genesis 1:24-26)
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth after his kind, and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


Warwick
In (Genesis 1:24-27) what comes first, Man, or the Animals God created?
---David on 3/31/15


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So, how long did God say he took?

Six days, but he didn't say how long each "day" was. Also, the stone tablets had the Ten Commandments on them, not Genesis 1 (see Exodus 34, that says the second set of tablets had the same writing as the first, and that they had the Ten Commandments on them).
---StrongAxe on 3/30/15


'Axe: Isn't a day determine by how long it takes the Earth to rotate on it's axis around the Sun? If so, has the Earth's rotation been altered (slowed or sped up) since the beginning of creation? If not, then a day in the lives of Adam & Eve would've been the same as it is in our lives.
---Leon on 3/30/15


Marc:

You said: Read Exodus 31:12-18. God retells Moses how long He took to create the entire universe i.e. 6 days, ... And when he had made an end of speaking with him he gave Moses tablets of stone, written with the finger of God." (Ex 31:18).

So, how long did God say he took?


Six days, but he didn't say how long each "day" was. Also, the stone tablets had the Ten Commandments on them, not Genesis 1 (see Exodus 34, that says the second set of tablets had the same writing as the first, and that they had the Ten Commandments on them).
---StrongAxe on 3/30/15


I. 1. Why would Adam allow his [d]aughter to be cursed with Cain[?]

II. 2. Cain['s] wife is not scripturally stated a daughter of Adam.

III. Gen 4:17 Cain knew his wife, and she conceived, and bare Enoch: he builded a city,...

IV. Cain went out from it...and married out of it.---Trav on 3/30/15
------------------------------
Trav:

I. She could've already been Cain's mate, probably with children.

II. Who else daughter would she be if not Adam's? Was Abel her daddy?

III. That in no way means Enoch was Cain's first born...

IV. Where does Scripture say that?
---Leon on 3/30/15


Cain's wife MUST have been one of his sisters. There were no other people on earth at that time - unless some of you prefer to think that we are not all descendants of Adam.
---Rita_H on 3/30/15


Since we really don't know how old Cain & Abel were when Cain murdered his brother, it's also possible Cain's wife COULD'VE been a niece (Abel's daughter).
---Leon on 3/30/15


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Concerning my writing that God wrote on 2 tablets of stone that He took 6 days to create everything, StoneAxe replies: "I don't recall Genesis being written on stone tablets. I always thought it was the Ten Commandments."

Read Exodus 31:12-18. God retells Moses how long He took to create the entire universe i.e. 6 days, tells him that if the Israelites break the Sabbath command they will be put to death, and then Moses writes, "And when he had made an end of speaking with him he gave Moses tablets of stone, written with the finger of God." (Ex 31:18).

So, how long did God say he took?
---Marc on 3/30/15


Cain's wife MUST have been one of his sisters. There were no other people on earth at that time - unless some of you prefer to think that we are not all descendants of Adam.
---Rita_H on 3/30/15


Cain's wife was most likely one of his sisters, or other close relative. Why not?
---Warwick on 3/28/15

1. Why would Adam allow his Daughter to be cursed with Cain.
2. Cains wife is not scripturally stated a daughter of Adam.

Deu_32:8 When the most High ... separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people ...

Gen 4:16 Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt ...
Gen 4:17 Cain knew his wife, and she conceived, and bare Enoch: he builded a city, ...
3. A city, a population, who were not in "presence" of the Lord either.
Cain went out from it...and married out of it.
---Trav on 3/30/15


What will "many" see because of you Trav?
---Warwick on 3/28/15

Many will "see" scriptures witnessing scriptures. "Many" will not.
Not because of me but, because they exist for "sheep" to "see" and "hear".
What you can't see and must avoid, I must post for light.

Eze_34:6 My sheep ...: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.

Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Luk_15:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together his friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost.
---Trav on 3/30/15


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"But that doesn't mean we know how long they were THEN, since the very yardstick we use to measure them did not yet exist."-StrongAxe on 3/29/15
The "yardstick" is not required for the measurement to be accurate.
Someone else had it measured by His infinite Wisdom and told us how long it was -- One day.
If I have a piece of wood that measures a foot, I don't need a measuring tool to check it if its maker told me how long it was.
All I have to do is believe him.
Yet the creator gave us a "yardstick" just in case we didn't believe.
So, since we, as humans, have now the ability to measure a day, we can believe the Creator when He says "a morning, an evening, one day."
---micha9344 on 3/30/15


If there were other people created, as you believe, why did they have to die because of Adams sin? -Warwick

Warwick
They died for their own sins.
(Genesis 6:5-6).

According to (Genesis 2:18-19) was Adam created before or after the Animals?
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone, I will make him a helper meet for him.19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air, and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them, and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
---David on 3/30/15


Warwick:

You wrote: There have been c2,190,000 days since the first day but you go on about one!

All it takes is one counterexample to prove an assumption false.

You would have us believe that you would not know what I mean if I said I will be away for three days.

You keep bringing up this irrelevancy. It is of course false because all of the days you would be away will necessarily be AFTER creation day #3, so we have a sun with which to measure them. We know how long days are NOW. But that doesn't mean we know how long they were THEN, since the very yardstick we use to measure them did not yet exist.
---StrongAxe on 3/29/15


StrongAxe, Joshua's long day was an extraordinary day only because God intervened. There have been c2,190,000 days since the first day but you go on about one!

But the avoided question is:

"Please tell me what time period other than one earth-rotation 24hr day has a period of daylight and a period of darkness, and an evening and a morning?"

You avoid this bringing up the irrelevancy of Joshua's long day knowing an honest answer will destroy your story that we cannot know how long one day is. You would have us believe that you would not know what I mean if I said I will be away for three days.
---Warwick on 3/29/15


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David , we apply intellect to Gods word, with study and the power of the Holy Spirit, to understand what has been said, and not said in Scripture. Adam and Eve were the only people created and they had children. Therefore Cains wife had to be a close relative, his sister or the daughter of a brother, depending upon the time-period. This is deduction, that which is applied by preachers universally to bring understanding out of Scripture, to disclose things which can only be deducted.

Do you believe there is some reason why Cain could not marry a sister or close relative?

If there were other people created, as you believe, why did they have to die because of Adams sin?
---Warwick on 3/29/15


Spot on Michael. Some disbelieve Scripture because they have nonBiblical reasons for doing so.
---Warwick on 3/29/15


Warwick:

You keep asking: Please tell me what time period other than one earth-rotation 24hr day has a period of daylight and a period of darkness, and an evening and a morning?"

For example, Joshua's long day, that was significantly longer than 24 hours long. This counterexample disprove the assertion that "all days are 24 hours long".
---StrongAxe on 3/29/15


You claim there were two creations. As you may know Jesus and the Apostles quoted from or alluded to the first 11 books of Genesis no less than 107 times, and they never even hinted at such a thing. Neither was it mentioned elsewhere in the OT.-Warwick

David, Cain's wife was most likely one of his sisters, or other close relative. Why not? -Warwick


Warwick
As you may know Jesus and the Apostles quoted from or alluded to the first 11 books of Genesis no less than 107 times, and they never even hinted at such a thing.
---David on 3/29/15


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StrongAxe, for one reason or another you duck the question:

"as Genesis 1:5 shows the first ever day comprised light, day, and darkness, night, and evening and morning. Please tell me what time period other than one earth-rotation 24hr day has a period of daylight and a period of darkness, and an evening and a morning?"

I believe you evade answering because you know that a 24hr day is the only answer.
---Warwick on 3/28/15


David, as Trav repeatedly says we must always back up our beliefs and pet theories with Scripture.

You claim there were two creations. As you may know Jesus and the Apostles quoted from or alluded to the first 11 books of Genesis no less than 107 times, and they never even hinted at such a thing. Neither was it mentioned elsewhere in the OT.

If two creations occurred surely someone mentioned it? Where?
---Warwick on 3/28/15


Trav, now I am preaching Anglical/Universalism. You have truly lost the plot. New medication perhaps?

As you keep telling us, we need at least two Biblical witnesses to make our point. Please quote anyone in the OT or NT who says those created in Genesis 1:26,27 are separate people from those written about in Genesis ch.'s 2 and 3. If you and David are correct this should be easy for you.

What will "many" see because of you Trav?

David, Cain's wife was most likely one of his sisters, or other close relative. Why not?
---Warwick on 3/28/15


Incest was not instituted as immoral until the Law of Moses.
What is befitting of the Father is Truth.
Such as, Abram and Sarah were siblings.
Isaac and Rebekah were cousins.
Noah's grandchildren married each other.
Adam and Eve's children were no different.
This incest excuse has no merit in the Word of God, only in those who disbelieve.
---micha9344 on 3/28/15


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Trav
Another interesting fact in the (Genesis 1) creation story, the animals were created before man, and man and woman were created at the same time (Genesis 1:27)

But in the Garden of Eden creation story, (Genesis 2:19-22), Adam came first, then the animals, and then Eve.
All facts found in the Bible, but rejected by most, for a creation story which involved incest.

I thought they would enjoy hearing the true story of creation, which is much more befitting of our Holy Father.
---David on 3/28/15


Way up here at our top end ,mid December,The sun doesn't rise, and mid June the sun doesn't set..Warwick must have to interpret all his ideas from the standpoint of the equator ??
---1stcliff on 3/27/15


Warwick:

You asked: Please tell me what time period other than one earth-rotation 24hr day has a period of daylight and a period of darkness, and an evening and a morning?

My point is NOT that they aren't 24 hours. It has always been that the Bible NEVER SAYS how long they are.

Genesis 1:14-15:
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

That is, the sun was not a SIGN for days until day 4.
---StrongAxe on 3/28/15


Thanks for your work David. Well written. -Trav

Trav,
Your welcome Brother.
Here's another interesting fact.
In the (Genesis 1:24-26) creation, God created the animals before man.

In (Genesis 2:19) we can see in the Garden of Eden creation, he created Adam first, and then he created the Animals.
Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them.

Warwick and Strongaxe.
To settle your argument.
(Genesis 1:14)Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years,
---David on 3/28/15


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StrongAxe, stop ducking and evading and answer the question: as Genesis 1:5 shows the first ever day comprised light, day, and darkness, night, and evening and morning. Please tell me what time period other than one earth-rotation 24hr day has a period of daylight and a period of darkness, and an evening and a morning?

---Warwick on 3/27/15


Warwick:

As I keep pointing out, (except in modern times, with the invention of mechanical and electronic timekeeping devices), the length of day is NOT measured in 24 hour intervals (and the division into "hours" was only invented by the Romans), the day is measured by the cycles of sunrise and sunset. These necessarily require as "sun" to rise and set, and the sun was not created until after several days had passed. And this is not one earth rotation, but 1+1/365 rotations, as the earth orbits the sun too (so you can't just have the earth spinning in the void near some unnamed light source unless it's also orbiting it too - i.e. the sun).
---StrongAxe on 3/27/15


... Scripture doesn't say, one way or the other!
---StrongAxe on 3/26/15

Hebrew word "Yom" support you by witness. It can be a short 24 or long as an age. GOD's day can be eternity or whatever he wants it to be.
Yom...(often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.
---Trav on 3/27/15


Warwick
Adam and Eve were a separate creation from the one in (Genesis 1). This explains where the daughters of men in (Genesis 6:4) came from, as well as where Cain's wife (Genesis 4:16-17) came from.<

The Sons of God are the descendants of Adam created in the Garden, the daughters of men came from the creation of man in ...
---David on 3/27/15

His whole doctrine is in jeopardy with our belief on this. He has spent his old age preaching anglican/universalism. He cannot go back...he would lose face. It would mean he might not be of Adam. Therefore he will never agree...but ironically, many will "see" because of him.
Thanks for your work David. Well written.
---Trav on 3/27/15


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StrongAxe, as Genesis 1:5 shows the first ever day comprised light, day, and darkness, night, and evening and morning. Please tell me what time period other than one earth-rotation 24hr day has a period of daylight and a period of darkness, and an evening and a morning?
---Warwick on 3/26/15


David, I am not sure what you are getting at. I am not blaming you, it may be my fault. However I have to repeat that Genesis Ch. 2 isn't a second creation account, for the reasons I have given, and does not contradict ch.1. It is mostly man-centered giving us more information about Adam and Eve who had already been created.

Verse 4 takes us back to day 1 when God created the earth and the heavens. There were no plants for obvious reasons as they were not created until after God said "let dry ground appear" from under the waters, on day 3. Until then there was no rain upon the earth and of course man had not yet been created.

Is this what you are saying?
---Warwick on 3/26/15


Warwick
Adam and Eve were a separate creation from the one in (Genesis 1). This explains where the daughters of men in (Genesis 6:4) came from, as well as where Cain's wife (Genesis 4:16-17) came from.

I brought notice Adam was called the Son of God (Luke 3:38), to clear up the mystery as to whom the Sons of God are in (Genesis 6:4) There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them.

The Sons of God are the descendants of Adam created in the Garden, the daughters of men came from the creation of man in (Genesis 1:27).

If this is not true, where did the daughters of men and Cain's wife come from?
---David on 3/27/15


Warwick:

You asked: StrongAxe, where in the whole of Scripture is there any verse which says the 6 days of Creation are not earth-rotation days, that which we call 24hr days?

In the same verse that says they ARE 24-hour earth-rotation days. i.e. nowhere. That has been my whole point all along. Scripture doesn't say, one way or the other!
---StrongAxe on 3/26/15


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StrongAxe, I do not believe that the earth literally produced creatures. See Colossians 1:16 "For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him." And John 1:3 "All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made." This shows Jesus personally created everything. And Scripture does not contradict Scripture.
---Warwick on 3/26/15


StrongAxe, where in the whole of Scripture is there any verse which says the 6 days of Creation are not earth-rotation days, that which we call 24hr days?
---Warwick on 3/26/15


Warwick
Fair enough.
(Genesis 2:4-5) says "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, and before every plant of the field was in the earth, and before every herb of the field grew, for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Notice it says the (Genesis 1) account is telling us what God created Before every plant of the field, and Before every herb grew.

(Genesis 2:6-25) is the account which took place After, God created the Heavens and the Earth. The creation of Eden where he placed Adam, the Son of God.

---David on 3/26/15


Warwick:

You asked: StrongAxe, where does Scripture say the animals God created (as recorded in Genesis 1:20-25) gave birth to young on the day they were created?

As I just pointed out to Rita_H, this was an erroneous interpretation I arrived at by not reading the verses closely (i.e. the earth produced animals after their own kinds, rather than the animals producing other animals after their own kinds).
---StrongAxe on 3/25/15


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David, I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Genesis 2:8 suggests that Adam was not created in the garden in Eden, but to the west of there. Why do you assume God had not already named a place Eden?

Maybe you can explain what you mean, a little better.
---Warwick on 3/25/15


StrongAxe, where does Scripture say the animals God created (as recorded in Genesis 1:20-25) gave birth to young on the day they were created?
---Warwick on 3/25/15


Rita_H:

You said: there is nothing in scripture to say that the 'multiplication' must be done prior to Him creating Adam and Eve

You are correct. When I carefully re-read those verses, it became apparent that it was the earth bringing forth the creatures after their own kinds, not the creatures themselves doing it. Sorry, my mistake. (I do make them on occasion, and I'm not afraid to admit it!)

Some here are just so intent on 'proving' that a day does not mean 24 hours.

I have this ongoing argument with Warwick on this. My point is NOT that creation days were necessarily longer than 24 hours, just that the Bible nowhere says that they were 24 hours long.
---StrongAxe on 3/25/15


You're trying to say, on day eight or some subsequent day HE created Eve??? rubbish ! -1stcliff

It is not another creation account as it doesn't mention the creation of the earth, sun, moon, stars, seas, land, sky, sea creatures, creeping creatures etc.-Warwick


(Genesis 2:8) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.

Warwick and 1st Cliff
How could God have created a Garden, eastward in Eden, if God had not created a place called Eden, before he planted the Garden?
---David on 3/25/15


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---Leon on 3/24/15


I don't understand why gestation periods need be mentioned here. God created everything in adult form and told them to multiply but there is nothing in scripture to say that the 'multiplication' must be done prior to Him creating Adam and Eve. We don't know how many pairs of each species He created (exact for humans) nor just what Adam saw around Him when he was created.

Some here are just so intent on 'proving' that a day does not mean 24 hours. Is your faith in God so small that you are unable to believe that 24 hours could be exactly what 'a day' means?
---Rita_H on 3/25/15


Marc:

If you don't like my reasonining, why don't you enlighten us all and tell us how to reason this correctly, rather than just telling me that I'm wrong?

therefore did God really say He took 6 days, as written by God's hand on the 2 tablets of stone

I don't recall Genesis being written on stone tablets. I always thought it was the Ten Commandments.


Warwick:

I wasn't talking about evolution. I was talking about creatures giving birth to young (after their own kinds), which takes substantially more than a day for anything more complicated than bacteria.
---StrongAxe on 3/25/15


Strongaxe: "creatures were being brought forth after their own kinds BEFORE man was created..these have [long] gestation periods"

SA's reasoning = I know I understand the passage's meaning, there can't be any other meaning, therefore did God really say He took 6 days, as written by God's hand on the 2 tablets of stone? Nahh, course He didn't!
---Marc on 3/24/15


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David, Genesis 1 & 2 do not detail two different creations. In fact as recorded in Matthew 19: 4-6, and Mark 10:5-9 Jesus combines Genesis 1:27 and 2:24 to say man was made at the beginning of creation and that Adam and Eve became one flesh. No suggestion there that He the Creator thought they were two conflicting versions of creation.

Genesis Ch. 1 covers the creation of everything, chronologically.

Genesis Ch.2 is man-centered, recapping the creation of the man and woman, providing details not provided in Ch.1. It is not another creation account as it doesn't mention the creation of the earth, sun, moon, stars, seas, land, sky, sea creatures, creeping creatures etc.
---Warwick on 3/24/15


StrongAxe, there is sound Biblical and grammatical reason to believe the days of creation are 24hr/earth-rotation days and no reason to believe otherwise. If the days of creation were not 24hrs the Sabbath commandment God wrote with His finger, is meaningless, and potentially fatal.

There is no reason to believe the "be fruitful and increase in number" command was meant to be fulfilled immediately as it comes with "and fill the waters in the seas" which speaks of multiple generations. See also Genesis 8:17

The creatures Adam saw were the kinds from which present animals have come via adaptation and speciation-not evolution. What was the original dog? A wolf perhaps but not a poodle!
---Warwick on 3/24/15


To Warwick (if he's reading this blog):

Genesis 1:20-25 mention that sea creatures, fowl, and land creatures were being brought forth after their own kinds BEFORE man was created. Since all of these have gestation periods significantly longer than one day, how do you explain this? The creation days thus could NOT have been literally 24 hours, unless the laws of biology have changed so radically since then, that there's no relationship between the creatures we see now and the ones they saw then.
---StrongAxe on 3/24/15


David, There's always another flawed theory, and yours is no different,
Gen.2.19 is a re-hash, of the original !
Gen2.2 ""so on the seventh day He rested from ALL His work !
Gen 1.27. "male and female He created them" (on day six)
You're trying to say, on day eight or some subsequent day HE created Eve??? rubbish !
---1stcliff on 3/24/15


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According to the creation of the Garden of Eden, the garden God created after he rested on the seventh day, God did create animals for the garden in (Genesis 2:19).

But then again, I believe in the two creation story, through which I can answer all the creation questions the unbeliever asks.
---David on 3/24/15

Amen.
Truth always aligns with Truth.

Psa_25:5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation, on thee do I wait all the day.
Psa_25:10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
---Trav on 3/24/15


Isn't it funny how Leon projects?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/24/15


Steveng: Ignore Clooney. He clearly has multiple issues that he needs to surrender to the Lord. By the way, I'm sure you realize I should've said "multiply" in my post on 3/22.

I find it interesting that God told Adam & Eve to "multiply" (like all the other creatures) while they yet resided in the Garden. Any thoughts in that regard?
---Leon on 3/24/15


\\Read Genesis 20-25. The creatures were multiplying before Adam and Eve were created.
\\

Why should I read five chapters of Genesis, Steveng?

Besides, I had posted my answer before you posted yours.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/15


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Steveng:

You said: The bible doesn't say? I just gave you verses where it does indeed say. Read Genesis 20-25. The creatures were multiplying before Adam and Eve were created.

I think you meant Genesis 1:20-25.
---StrongAxe on 3/23/15


According to the creation of the Garden of Eden, the garden God created after he rested on the seventh day, God did create animals for the garden in (Genesis 2:19).

But then again, I believe in the two creation story, through which I can answer all the creation questions the unbeliever asks.
---David on 3/24/15


Cluny wrote: "The Bible doesn't say, though I can think of no reason why this would not have happened."

The bible doesn't say? I just gave you verses where it does indeed say. Read Genesis 20-25. The creatures were multiplying before Adam and Eve were created.
---Steveng on 3/23/15


Yeah Steveng. "Multiple" is indeed a key word in the Genesis 1-3 scenerio.

Very funny Cliff, you crazy wabbit! :D
---Leon on 3/22/15


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Probably rabbits, they are in every garden !
---1stcliff on 3/22/15


The Bible doesn't say, though I can think of no reason why this would not have happened.

Or would have happened, for that matter.

Does it matter, Leon?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/22/15


Read Genesis 20-25.

Yes, the creatures were multipying before God created Adam and Eve in verse 26.
---Steveng on 3/22/15


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