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Is KJV Inspired By God

Why do some people think the KJV was inspired by God?

(I'm saying nothing about the KJV itself, but questioning an indefensible attitude towards it.)

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Well Cluny you have me at a disadvantage since I do not know what that word in Greek means.

From what I have read God Fearers were Gentiles who in effect lived like Jews in most ways. The respected the law of GOD. But they did not get circumcised.

I notice you did not comment on the Bible saying that all including Gentiles were to keep Sabbath and be blessed for it.

Mark 2:27
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Jesus says it is made for all humans. That should end the discussion.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/17/15


\\For the New Testament. Remember the gentiles who attended the Synagogue they were called God Fearers and kept Sabbath.
\\

The THEOUFOVOUMENOI might have attended Sabbath services as opportunity served.

But this is not the same thing as "keeping the Sabbath," for which there is no evidence.

Or do you think they are the same?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/16/15


I've pointed out several times that the Gentiles in both the Old and New Testaments were not obliged to Saturday Sabbath observance.
Cluny

In the Commandment itself it says the Stranger shall keep Sabbath. That is a term used for Gentiles.

Isa 56:6
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,

For the New Testament. Remember the gentiles who attended the Synagogue they were called God Fearers and kept Sabbath.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/16/15


\\Your points are set forth to cover the fact that you cannot find any Bible basis for not keeping the Fourth of the Ten commandments. \\

Wrong.

I've pointed out several times that the Gentiles in both the Old and New Testaments were not obliged to Saturday Sabbath observance.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/16/15


Samuelbb7:

You said: So you judge that those who did take a buggy are breaking a day according to your understanding that you feel is not necssary.

I don't judge you. I encourage you to judge yourself according to the standards you have accepted upon yourselves.

So you take a lesson from the opponets of Jesus and accuse us of breaking Sabbath.

No. I just point out that if one REALLY wants to observe the Sabbath scrupulously, according to how it was observed in the Old Testament, one must be prepared to make certain sacrifices - for which evidence is conspicuously absent. (E.g. SDA say one must worship on the sabbath, but I don't hear them screaming about not cooking on the Sabbath, etc.)
---StrongAxe on 4/15/15




Mark 3:4

And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

Dear Cluny and Strong Ax. The Pharisees attacked Jesus for not keeping Sabbath according to their rules.

Your points are set forth to cover the fact that you cannot find any Bible basis for not keeping the Fourth of the Ten commandments. So you take a lesson from the opponets of Jesus and accuse us of breaking Sabbath.

Thank you. You have showed there is no Biblical basis for not keeping the Sabbath day. Otherwise you would be using it, instead of tryng to prove we do not keep sabbath in the way of the Pharisees.

May GOD bless and Keep you.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/15/15


\\So you judge that those who did take a buggy are breaking a day according to your understanding that you feel is not necssary.\\

Exodus 20:10

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Keep in mind that in Tudor diction, "cattle" meant all farm animals.

That prohibits riding animals on the Sabbath.

Nothing here about worship.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/14/15


Samuelbb7:

You said internal combustion engines. I never go out and gather wood to make a fire any day.

One may not light ANY kind of fires on the Sabbath - no fires for lighting, no cooking fires. This also includes fires caused by internal combustion engines. And it's regardless of whether cart-pullers were draft animals or not, as it was not permitted to work ANY animal. Even flipping a light switch on or off creates a spark - which is fire.

So, how do must Adventists get to church on Saturday now?

Jesus us to love God and to love our neighbors. These two commandments cover 9 of the 10 commandments, and Jesus must have known this. Was Jesus giving false or misleading information?
---StrongAxe on 4/14/15


Cluny the Bible does not mention electricity and you are streching a point to make a mockery of a Commandment of GOD. You trying to make driving a car a sin does not work.

So you judge that those who did take a buggy are breaking a day according to your understanding that you feel is not necssary. By the way Draft horses do not generally pull small carriages. Most of the Early Adventist were poor and had to walk. Others lived in the city and walked. So I do not know how many rode in a buggy.

You in effect are judging them on how they kept Sabbath. It that not against scripture?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/14/15


\\The rules you mention are from the Talmud not the Torah. \\

Wrong, Samuel.

The Fourth Commandment in Exodus specifically FORBIDS forcing animals to work. This would include draft animals. So if early SDAs rode their horses or horse and buggies to church, they were violating the Commandment as given.

The Talmud says nothing about electricity. How could it?

However, the internal combustion engine works by igniting fires, hundreds or thousands a minute.

And in the OT there is a prohibition of lighting fires on the Sabbath. As I recall, someone was even put to death for this, unless my normally elephantine memory fails me.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/14/15




One problem with you comment Strong Ax is that the Gospels were written to the church over ten years latter. So why would they be teaching the church on how to keep Sabbath if it was not important to the Church which was all Jews.

The Bible never speaks of how to get to Church. The rules you mention are from the Talmud not the Torah. Also the Bible never speaks of internal combustion engines. I never go out and gather wood to make a fire any day.

Do you keep any day as a Sabbath?

Do you believe that at least nine of the Ten Commandments are in effect? It seems you do. If so why is one left out when the others are still in effect.

The way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/14/15


Samuelbb7:

You asked Why was he teaching how to keep the Sabbath properly?

Because the old covenant was still in effect, and Jesus would have been a sinner to contradict it.

One thing that was NEVER permitted was travel on the Sabbath. So it was a sin to ride animal-driven conveyance to worship, and you can forget using anything that generates fire (most cars) or even electrical sparks (like Teslas). Bicycles are iffy, because one could argue about whether riding a bike would be considered "work".
---StrongAxe on 4/14/15


Thank you Trav for the compliment. It was and is Jesus who changed me from having a terrible temper to help me be more like Jesus.
To quote an old song. I want to be so like him that when I get to heaven there is no great change.

As for the points shown to me. I must insist on documentation of when and where. Cluny does a decent job most of the time.

I have spend a lot of time and effort to research and look up what and why I believe. Not only for the Seventh day Adventist church but as a Christian to defend Christianity.

Suppositions and accusations are not proof and I will not accept them.

May GOD bless and keep your eyes on Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/13/15


The Jews went to the Synagaogoue every seventh day because it was a Holy Convocation or gathering day.

Leviticus 23:3
Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation, ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Before then they went to the temple.

Jesus spoke on how to properly keep the Sabbath.

Luke 6:9
Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing, Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?

Why was he teaching how to keep the Sabbath properly?

The way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/13/15


For some people the KJV is inspired. So be it.
---learner2 on 4/13/15


I found this about Jewish Sabbath observance.

\\Shabbat is not specifically a day of prayer. Although we do pray on Shabbat, and spend a substantial amount of time in synagogue praying, prayer is not what distinguishes Shabbat from the rest of the week. Observant Jews pray every day, three times a day. See Jewish Liturgy. To say that Shabbat is a day of prayer is no more accurate than to say that Shabbat is a day of feasting: we eat every day, but on Shabbat, we eat more elaborately and in a more leisurely fashion. The same can be said of prayer on Shabbat.\\

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/13/15


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John said Jesus would come soon. It has not happened.

None have shown where I am incorrect.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/10/15

Everyone has pointed research points for you, out of sincere feelings for the nice guy you are.
You refuse to see or the Lord has not let you see. You even blame scripture, when the blindness is yours.

Mat_10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
---Trav on 4/13/15


\\What? Where did you get that? He was frequently traveling during the week and not in Jerusalem. \\

You don't think that synagogues were only in Jerusalem, do you?

And didn't you read what I said about synagogues then and now (in Conservative and Traditional ones) having services TWICE DAILY?

You don't think they were held on the Sabbath only, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/13/15


Cluny: "I'm saying that Jesus customarily went to the Synagogue DAILY."

What? Where did you get that? He was frequently traveling during the week and not in Jerusalem.


---jerry6593 on 4/13/15


\\ Cluny your point about going twice on Sabbath does not answer my point. \\

But I didn't say that, did I?

I'm saying that Jesus customarily went to the Synagogue DAILY.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/12/15


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You are correct Strong Ax I was saying that to Cluny. I apoligize for not being more specific.

Cluny your point about going twice on Sabbath does not answer my point. Or that Jesus went on the other Holy days negate my point.

Attending the Synagogue on Sabbath was a normal worship activity and part of Jesus's Sabbath keeping.


Luke 4:16

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Happy Easter
---Samuelbb7 on 4/12/15


Cluny: The fact is that Jesus kept all ten of the Commandments, including the fourth. He also had something to say about those who taught others to break them (Mat 5:19).



---jerry6593 on 4/12/15


\\Jesus went to the Synagogue on Sabbath. Are you saying he kept Sabbath wrong?\\

He also went on other days. Don't forget that there were twice daily services in Synagogues--which, btw, didn't come into existence until during the first exile, but that's a subject for another thread.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/11/15


Samuelbb7:

You said: A prophecy can be conditional. If this, then that will happen.

Yes, but when it IS conditional, it SAYS it is conditional.

Why do you attack this way when all you should have to say is she did not teach what the Bible says. ... You cannot answer those and do not know much about Sister White. I do.

When have I said anything against Ms. White? Not here. You must be confusing me with Cluny.
---StrongAxe on 4/10/15


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Cluny you are a better scholar than you show yourself here.

You never said what you read by White.

Some of our founders were Arian but through the work of White they became trinitarian.

To say the Azazel or Scapegoat goat which means the goat of the devil means the devil is just following what the Bible says.

Jesus went to the Synagogue on Sabbath. Are you saying he kept Sabbath wrong?

The Way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/10/15


The Saturday Sabbath is the LEAST of SDA's problems, and I don't touch it, beyond saying that the Decalogue does NOT command worship on the Sabbath, but merely to rest from labor, which includes farm animals. This would mean that SDAs who rode horse and buggy to church on Saturday were violating the commandment.

No, a much greater problem of SDA involves having Satan as the sinbearer.

Another problem is its either blatant Arianism, or at least its tendency towards it.

And another problem is taking the mutterings of a medium as oracles of God.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/10/15


StrongAx. A prophecy can be conditional. If this, then that will happen.

The prophets often said unless you repent this will happen. Jonah said Ninivah would be destroyed. But the people repented and it was not.

John said Jesus would come soon. It has not happened. The prophecy was based on if the church spreading the Gospel to the entire world. We did not and the church has not. So the end could not come yet.

Why do you attack this way when all you should have to say is she did not teach what the Bible says. I proclaim what the Bible says here. None have shown where I am incorrect. Jerry has placed questions unanswered about the Sabbath.

You cannot answer those and do not know much about Sister White. I do.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/10/15


Samuelbb7:

You wrote: The people who mention that prophecy leave out the part about if we get the Gospel spread to the entire world this could happen.

Even if the entire world was converted and the prophecy was fulfilled TOMORROW, this would still mean that some people would need to be 150 years old, which has not happened since the time of Noah.

Many groups blame their own failures on the fact that there are other people in the world who believe differently. 50 years ago, communists blamed the abject failures of communism on the west. Today, some muslims blame muslim radicalization on the west. Nobody takes responsibility for his own failed system.
---StrongAxe on 4/9/15


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Well Cluny what did you read?

The Way of the Cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/9/15


\\You have never read anything by her.\\

Yes, I have.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/8/15


The people who mention that prophecy leave out the part about if we get the Gospel spread to the entire world this could happen.

You have never read anything by her. I have. I have answered all these phony objections many times.

You have one legitmate objection. Her teachings do not agree with what the Orthodox church teaches.

But all these so called false prophecies involve people making up stories or leaving out important information.

By the way. I went to look up Sunday laws for you. Still looking for more details. But in Wikipedia under Lord's day it has some information about Sunday laws. But not a lot of details. So I am trying to find the details.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/7/15


\\I have found her to be true. But you and many others do not weigh or check. You just reject because some say so. \\

Does this include her prophecy of people alive at an SDA conference being subject of the 7 last plagues and others alive to be translated when Jesus returns?

Since this prophecy was delivered in 1850 something, assuming that babies were being born at this conference, they would now be over 150 years old.

Since nobody is that old, this is clearly a false prophecy, and EGW (whose name adds up to 666) is a false prophet.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/7/15


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So while I can respect you. You really do not know for you have not investigated it.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/7/15

If she failed one time she is false.
GOD's prophets never fail...ever.
You made an error putting her before you for your understanding. She has done nothing but confuse you.
On the other hand we understand why you can't understand many scriptural things now.
Similar to Esau you've traded your birthright position ... as a man.
You can never be the head of any Church or scriptural matter behind her. Get away from false prophets. Go with the authorized proven ones. Throw e.g.whites blinders in a hot fire. You don't need her...you never did.
---Trav on 4/7/15


Dear Cluny

I have read over thirty books by E.G. White. I have read every book published and many articles by those who have stated she is a false prophetess.

I weighed the two views and have read the reports of others who weighed the two and listened to why they accepted or rejected her.

I have found her to be true. But you and many others do not weigh or check. You just reject because some say so.

Before I became a Christian I rejected the Bible because many told me it was false. But after investigating for myself for 2 years I found it true.

So while I can respect you. You really do not know for you have not investigated it.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/7/15


\\ Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets."\\

EGW is a false prophet, has has been demonstrated numerous times by others.

Christ is risen! (for those of you who follow the Pope's Easter instead of the true Apostolic Orthodox Pascha.)
---Cluny on 4/5/15


Thank you Cluny for providing an accurate quote from the writings of E. G. White.

But a little more guidance next time. I found the quote in My life today in her comment on: Amos 3,7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but He revealeth His secret unto His servants the prophets."

While I have read the 800 Page Testimonies V5 as I have read a lot of her books my memory is not photographic. I could not find the quote There.

But on page 663 She wrote a number of paragraphs stating why Scripture is above her writings and are not replaced by what she wrote.

You can read it online.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/5/15


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Common sense tells you No translation is full proof lest of all the KJV the message of salvation is what is important. Any other book is just as bad as a Chinese Whisper! So what do you do throw out a the baby with the bath water? No...
It is Obvious You need the Holy Spirit to move on and stop looking for questions to gain popularity rather than reading and researching what has been removed added and changed from the original manuscript to be able to move a more informed position and posting your findings instead of old news !
---Carla on 4/5/15


\\So the words of Sister White must be judged by Scripture. We must follow Sola Scriptora.\\

And Sr. White said that God instructs His people more earnestly in her own writings than in the pages of the Bible.

Christ is risen! (For those of you who follow the Pope's Easter instead of the true Apostolic Orthodox Pascha.)
---Cluny on 4/5/15


For all those KJV purists who believe it is "God breathed " needs to consider that Acts 12.4 is a deliberate corruption of the truth, paying lip service to the Goddess Astarte' !
---1stcliff on 4/5/15


They mean what they say. GOD is speaking a word to that individual.

Phillip had daughters who prophesied?


Acts 21:9

And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

Are there words in scripture?

We are to check the words of prophets by Scripture.


Isaiah 8:20

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

So the words of Sister White must be judged by Scripture. We must follow Sola Scriptora.

Preachers can have the unction of the Holy Spirit when they preach and people who listen and refuse to repent are judged by GOD for not listening to the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is risen.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/5/15


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\\The answer is no she purposely stated herself less then the Bible.
\\

"In times past, God taught His people by apostles and prophets. These days He teaches us by the testimonies of His Spirit [her own writings]. There has NEVER been a time when God instructed His people more earnestly....."

"When I send you a testimony of reproof or correction, you reject it as merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted the Spirit of God."

These are in TESTIMONIES TO THE CHURCHES, Vol 5 I believe.

You can verify them on the official White Estate web site.

What else can they mean?

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/3/15


I thought you might think that. The answer is no she purposely stated herself less then the Bible.

In His Word, God has committed to men the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are to be accepted as an authoritative, infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the revealer of doctrines, and the test of experience. (2 Timothy 3:16, 17,R.V.)

The Spirit was not given--nor can it ever be bestowed-- to supersede the Bible, for the Scriptures explicitly state that the Word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested.

Great Contoversy intro.Vii-ix

So why do you elevate a man above scripture?

Jesus is risen.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/3/15


\\So you place a nonapostle or prophet on equal footing with them. I cannot agree to that. \\

But that's what she did with herself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/2/15


That explains a lot Cluny.

I did not say Jerome did not translate the Apocrypha. I said He did not believe it was equal with scripture.

I have read the Apocrypha when I read the New Jerusalem Bible. It was interesting.

I read and trust the Writings of Ellen G. White but they are not scripture. So you place a nonapostle or prophet on equal footing with them. I cannot agree to that.

Jesus is risen.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/2/15


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\\You consider them like the words of Augustine. Not part of scripture but highly respected.\\

As a matter of fact, Orthodox consider them part of Scripture.

And St. Jerome still translated the Apocrypha.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/1/15


Because the Jews in Alexandrea added it in. They were the Liberals. But if my research is correct they called them wisdom books and not part of the canon.

In the conservatives they did read them. Which is why they Dead Sea Scrolls. But they are like what we consider letters by wise men. You consider them like the words of Augustine. Not part of scripture but highly respected.

If memory serves me Jerome opposed them being part of the Canon.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/1/15


Unless we are prepared to study (seriously) Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek we should be very careful about being dogmatic about ANY version being the most accurate.
---Rita_H on 3/31/15

Well said Rita. For this reason I began by comparing what GOD said through prophets, with what Christ, Apostles said. KJV foundation stone words align, to a deeper degree when united with original languages.
Foundation words, covenant, for ever, everlasting, redeem, peculiar, treasure, sheep, etc. The word "peculiar" was a "special" connector for me.
1Pe_2:9 ... a peculiar people,
Exo_19:5 ...then ye shall be a peculiar treasure...
Deu_14:2...to be a peculiar people ...
Deu_26:18... his peculiar people,...
---Trav on 4/1/15


\\Actually the Jews never considered the Apocrypha inspired and it was a debate among the early church before they final decided it was.\\

Then why was the Apocrypha translated as part of the LXX?

The first major English version to omit the Apocrypha was the New American Standard of the 1960's. Even the Geneva Bible contained it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/31/15


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Actually the Jews never considered the Apocrypha inspired and it was a debate among the early church before they final decided it was.

But Protestants decided to not let the Orthodox churches tell them the under the lead of Martin Luther sided with the Jews that they were never inspired.

Anyone ever watch the inspiring video on the making of the King James Bible. My son bought it for me. I have thoroughly enjoyed it.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/31/15


The KJV of 1611 contained the "apocrypha , was it "inspired??
Who decided they weren't?
---1stcliff on 3/31/15


There were 4 actual editions of the King James Bible produced after 1611: 1629, 1638, 1762, and 1769, for spelling and printing changes. These were not translations (like the new perversions SINCE 1881), and they really weren't even "revisions".
---michael_e on 3/30/15


Man has tried to change it they say to understand it better.-shira4368 on 3/30/15

Shira
At first this may have been the case, but over time, I believe many translations were translated to say what men believe.

This is why you hear so many teachers today, teaching Greek, though they do not even speak the language.
They teach individual Greek words, so they can change the meanings of these words in the Bible so they better fit their doctrines.
Peter warned us this would happen in (2 Peter 3:15-16)
---David on 3/31/15


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I have a large number of versions of the bible, some easier to read (for me) than others. When in doubt I read the same passage from very many versions and this often gives more clarity on most occasions.

Unless we are prepared to study (seriously) Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek we should be very careful about being dogmatic about ANY version being the most accurate.
---Rita_H on 3/31/15


\\ David, I believe the KJV is God breathed. Man has tried to change it they say to understand it better. \\

shira, the KJV was edited 4 times--in addition to the ABS revision according to American spellings--after its release in 1611.

Which recension is the "God-breathed" version?

The translators certainly didn't believe they were inspired. Why do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/30/15


David, I believe the KJV is God breathed. Man has tried to change it they say to understand it better. That is not true. Satan is behind changing the bible so it says things it isn't suppose to say or suggest things that are not true. I think when God put it together, it was perfect and does not need changing. Man is not smarter than God even tho some think they are. People can use what they want to use but like I've said before I'll stick with the old stuff.
---shira4368 on 3/30/15


\\Samuel: "Some are paraphrases and others are what they call dynamic translation which both they are telling you what they think it means not the words used."\\

The KJV was not above using dynamic equivalence a time or two itself.

Classic example: the Nebuchadnezzar Six in Daniel 3. There the KJV simply substituted musical instruments familiar to its immediate audience. The sackbut, a primitive trombone, had not been invented in ancient Babylon. (Don't try to say that this was a prophecy of trombones, it wasn't.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/30/15


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Samuel: "Some are paraphrases and others are what they call dynamic translation which both they are telling you what they think it means not the words used."


That sounds a lot like the Hollywood movies on Bible themes. Not at all accurate.


---jerry6593 on 3/30/15


Good point Jerry

We must be carefull that the Bible we use is a translation.

Some are paraphrases and others are what they call dynamic translaton which both they are telling you what they think it means not the words used.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/29/15


Why do some people think the KJV was inspired by God?

Cluny
Though I believe the KJV is the most accurate translation I have ever read, I really don't know if it was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

I know of it's accuracy, because I use to read the NIV before being taught the Bible by the Holy Spirit. I continued on in the NIV after these teachings began, but I could not find much of what I was being taught, in the NIV.

After a debate with some KJV advocates, I decided to take a look at the KJV for myself. And when I did, I found in the KJV, those things the Spirit had taught me, those things which I could not find in the NIV.

This is why I use the KJV.
---David on 3/29/15


I think that both Cluny and Darlene make valid points. Most all translations are sufficient for salvation. The problems are generally not with the translations, but rather with the source material from which they are translated, The textus receptus (KJV) being the most accurate (uncorrupted).


---jerry6593 on 3/29/15


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1 Jo 2:27 you have no need that any one should teach you, as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is NO LIE

Jhn 17:12 and none of them is lost but the son of perdition,

2 Thess 2:3 and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition,



REPEAT...and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition,

Jas 1:25 But he who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty,.......he shall be blessed in his doing.

Jas 2:12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty

Since we live the OLD law instead of the PERFECT law, God sees us as LAWLESS.

The church of man is also the RESULT of (son of) all those perditious teachings.
---faithforfaith on 3/28/15


It makes sense to me for people to quit worrying what kind of Bible people read and be more concerned with a person's salvation. Our God is great enough to lead a person to the Word He wishes us to use if we earnestly seek Him and obey His leading. No denomination is God that they can command us to read only one version,no denomination is God that they should have all wisdom and knowledge, and no denomination gives us salvation. I have always prayed God teach me your truth and followed His leading. All that matter's to me is that I obey God and please Him. No denomination,Christian or other people matter to me in what they think I should be or do,thats between God and me as it is every person and God. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/28/15


In Ezekiel 14, God explained to Ezekiel that Ezekiel should not rebuke (chew out) the worshipers that are not serious about the REAL truth of God's existence. God said "I will answer them MYSELF".

That was the beginning of the "STRONG delusion". God never COMMITTED a lie, He simply ALLOWS people to DELUDE themselves if they are not serious about the real, unadulterated TRUTH.

Over the last 2,000 years, there has been a lot of LIES (not just innocent MISUNDERSTANDINGS) taught and accepted in the church of man (these are PERDITIOUS/destructive teachings). Because many people simply want to be BIBLE SCHOLARS instead of being serious about the truth, God has ALLOWED the "bible" to be misunderstood.
---faithforfaith on 3/28/15


I wonder why people think satan never tampered with the bible? Somehow like a holy idol is tamper proof!
---1stcliff on 3/27/15


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As in the case of Christ, the majority line up against Him.
New translations compare themselves to the KJV. Strange, new versions never compare themselves to one another. ...
"Modern" versions change or omit important words or complete verses. Acts 8:37 Col 1:14 etc
---michael_e on 3/25/15

Liked your review on the subject.
KJV has it's own problems...the additional translations just add to those problems. To me, they are a re-merchandising of the most popular book in the world...to more closely fit the popular doctrines of the times we live in.
Having said that, it is still informative to read the other versions and see the intent of the translators who are confused in their own doctrines of men.
---Trav on 3/26/15


Thank you Cluny. You explained that perfectly. GOD bless you.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/26/15


saying is that the KJV translated Bible isn't a version of the divinely inspired manuscript word of God.
---Leon on 3/25/15

I agree with some comments.

I agree that All Scripture is given by inspiration of God and is "breathed" by the Holy Spirit, but I must state that I do not believe there is an "inspired" translation per se.

I do not believe that the KJV is inspired and the NASB is not. I do not believe that the KJV is more inspired than the Message or NIV.

I believe that all versions of the Bible are inspired by God and that no significant passage has been purposely altered or omitted by any version. By significant I mean Scripture that leads to our understanding of God and Salvation.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/26/15


The Bible says, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God." But, what I hear some of you "too smart for your own good people" saying is that the KJV translated Bible isn't a version of the divinely inspired manuscript word of God. So, therefore God has unwittingly allowed "man" to pervert (re-write, change) the KJV translation against His will? Oh ye [you] of such little faith! Shame on you!
---Leon on 3/25/15


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\\There is at least 30 plus spurious passages in the New Testament & if you have a bible with footnotes it shows some of the verses written weren't in the original Manuscrip\\

It's not quite that simple.

First off, the "original Manuscript" of every book in the Bible is missing.

Next, especially with the NT, there are basically two families of Mss: the Critical or Alexandrian text and the Received Text. It is this latter that formed the basis of the KJV.

There is evidence that the Alexandrian text was doctored during the time of the Christological controversies, but this is too complex a question to discuss in 125 words. Books have been written about this issue.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/25/15


The KJV isn't inspired by God. like the NKJV, ASB, ESV etc it is a translation only & a poor one at that. There is at least 30 plus spurious passages in the New Testament & if you have a bible with footnotes it shows some of the verses written weren't in the original Manuscript. How is that inspired if they add to it? its not.If I had to choose I would use the NAB or ESV that corrects the mistakes.
---Candice on 3/25/15


Cluny My daughter was saved and baptized at a small church and I was so happy the Lord had begun to answer my prayers for my families salvation I wanted to give her something special,therefore I gave her a Women's Bible with inserts of practical teaching just for women's daily lives. The Pastor announced that no one should bring anything but KJV Bible to that church. My daughter's uncle gave her a KJV believing like the preacher. Frankly I think it is ignorance of how the KJV Bible came to be translated and what previous Bibles were referred to when they did it. I also believe prejudice plays a part in it and plain old brain washing by the leaders of some denominations.God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/25/15


As in the case of Christ, the majority line up against Him.
New translations compare themselves to the KJV. Strange, new versions never compare themselves to one another. They seem to line up against one Book, the KJV.
"Modern" versions change or omit important words or complete verses. Acts 8:37 Col 1:14 etc
---michael_e on 3/25/15


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Cluny, The simple truth is NO translation is "inspired" else why would they need "revising"?
---1stcliff on 3/25/15


Because with thees and thou, It is a more proper english thus I sound more inteligent. Similiar to someone saying "I" instead of "me" in a sentence even when it is not correct.
---Scott1 on 3/25/15


Since you're convinced there's no valid excuse, why did you ask the question other than to stir up contention? Your question is indefensible Clooney!
---Leon on 3/24/15


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