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Bankruptcy Church Elder

Is it wrong for a Church Elder to file Bankruptcy and max out his credit cards before hand and never pay them back? Should the Congregation remove the minister because he knew he was filing BK and had no plans to repay his debt? How come God does not remove bad men from the Ministry?

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"How come God does not remove bad men from the Ministry?"

Because we have to live in the real world - amongst liars, thieves, adulterers, etc. God does not wrap us up in cotton wool all the time.

There should, however, be Godly people in that church who should know to whom they need go to sort this out. A congregation are not going to to learn anything good from this man so should use what powers they have to get him removed and, to do this, they need to seek God's advice not man's.

God knows far more about this man than his church members know and if members will seek Him He will show them the way.
---Rita_H on 4/1/15


How come God does not remove bad men from the Ministry?
---Jason_Miller on 3/25/15

How else can one measure truth?
We love daylight because of dark.
There are men like Pharaoh who were allowed worldly arrogantly held position just to show GOD's power. Rom_9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Sometimes even on this site, scripture after scripture supporting each other quietly shines light where the worlds poser preachers scream and yell with one verse opinion doctrine only. They may hold weak men's badge of authority but... they do not have GOD's authority .
---Trav on 3/31/15


How come God does not remove bad men from the Ministry?

Jason
Because God is letting the Wheat and the tares grow together.

(Matthew 13:30) Let both grow together until the harvest, and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn."

Why doesn't he remove them? (Matthew 28-29)The servants asked him, Do you want us to go and pull them up?No, he answered, because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them.

Jason, Think about what would happen in your church, if God exposed him? Wouldn't some of the wheat become uprooted?
---David on 3/29/15


Monk_Brendan wrote: "You are forgetting Free Will... The mess that the world is in is because of the poor use of that free will, and because we live in a fallen world."

Satan has deceived the whole world. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12
---Steveng on 3/27/15


\\Ultimately, yes, but not today.\\

Yes, today.

Jesus did not say, "All power will be given ..."

And I consider your reproaches compliments.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/27/15




StevenG said, "Ultimately, yes, but not today. If Jesus had real concern would the world be in such a mess as it is today?..."

You are forgetting Free Will. This is one gift that God has given us all. The mess that the world is in is because of the poor use of that free will, and because we live in a fallen world.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/27/15


Cluny wrote: "Wrong again, as in everything you say, Steveng.

"Everything?" You're such a hypocrite, Cluny, for there were a couple of times you said I was right, but I didn't pay it any mind.

Cluny wrote: "Jesus said, "All power is given to ME in heaven AND on earth.""

Ultimately, yes, but not today. If Jesus had real concern would the world be in such a mess as it is today? When Jesus returns, and only then, will all people of the earth bow down. God the Father has not given permission for Jesus to return just yet. For it is written that no one knows the time of Jesus's return, not man, not the angels, not even the Son.
---Steveng on 3/26/15


GOD does not do for us what we are supposed to do. If the report is accurate the Elder is purposely running up more debt so as to defraud the Credit Card companies.

We are to look after what our church people are doing.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/26/15


\\Because Satan is the god of this world - until, of course, Jesus' return.
---Steveng on 3/25/15\\

Wrong again, as in everything you say, Steveng.

Jesus said, "All power is given to ME in heaven AND on earth."

What part of "all power" leaves anything over for Satan?

Quite right, Nurse Robert. We don't know the circumstances that drove this man to declare bankruptcy.

And even in the OT, all debts were cancelled every 50 years (some say 49) during the Jubilee year.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/26/15


Jason wrote: "How come God does not remove bad men from the Ministry?"

Because Satan is the god of this world - until, of course, Jesus' return.
---Steveng on 3/25/15




And how is this any of your business?
---NurseRobert on 3/25/15


Exodus 20:20 "Do not steal!"

Leviticus 6:2 condemm's those who are schemers!

Levitucus 6:3 Swearing falsely you will pay back to the Christians you borrow from and also your creditors. He was not in need of help, this Pastor used the Bankruptcy System to fleece the system!

Psalm 37:21

The wicked borrows and does not pay back, but the righteous is gracious and gives.

Ecclesiastes 5:5

It is better that you should not vow than that you should vow and not pay.
---Jason_Miles on 3/25/15


Personally, this sounds like nothing more than gossip and airing out another's "dirty laundry".
---Mary on 3/25/15

I agree.

But I must add that debt of any kind is a contract between the lender and the borrower. Even credit card debt. As our Lord instructed, "let your yes be yes, and your no be no", I believe that if you accept the credit card from the lender, charge on it, then you are obligating yourself to repay the debt.

Spoken by a man who filed Chapter 13 in 1993 with a 100% repayment plan.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/25/15


I believe that present federal law exempts credit card debt from being bankrupted against.

But you don't know the whole story about what drove this man to bankruptcy, do you?

If not, give him the benefit of a doubt.

As far as why God doesn't remove bad men from ministry, why doesn't God stop ISIS from killing Christians? The questions are basically the same.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/25/15


Personally, this sounds like nothing more than gossip and airing out another's "dirty laundry".
---Mary on 3/25/15


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