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If I choose not to follow Jesus why do I go to Hell? Am I forced to follow him or suffer?

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\\Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth, but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. \\

No, but you preach false doctrine, jerry.

Jesus was not saying that Lazarus was going through soul sleep, but said quite plainly in a couple of verses that Lazarus was DEAD, not merely sleeping.

Only Satan will try to get soul sleep out of John 11.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 4/15/15


I think the problem here is the definition of immortal and eternal. Eternal is God, who,has no beginning or end. God is eternal, not immortal. god created angels and humans, having a beginning, and their souls and spirits are immortal. Once they have come Into being. We, as Christian, once the physical body dies is said to be asleep in The Lord. So asleep does not mean to be extinguished out. Hebrews 12 also speak of this very minute, the spirits of just "men" made perfect. Not just angels. This is why we are different than animals. Animals have no soul.
---kathr4453 on 4/15/15


Cluny Monk: \\The "soul sleep" doctrine has come from from [sic] the pen of EG White, and, as usual, is false. \\

Boy are you guys ignorant of Scripture!

Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth, but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Joh 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Do you also think Jesus preached "false doctrine"?


---jerry6593 on 4/15/15


\\The "soul sleep" doctrine has come from from the pen of EG White, and, as usual, is false. \\

I know she got a big surprise when she died and found out there was no such thing.

I sincerely pray her other surprises were pleasant ones, as by God's mercy may they be for us all.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/14/15


Jerry said, "Monk: Are you saying that the dead are conscious or unconscious in "hell"?

They are conscious. They are also tormented. Not as tormented as they will be after the Last Judgement, but tormented still. The "soul sleep" doctrine has come from from the pen of EG White, and, as usual, is false.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/14/15




\\Cluny: Now you are arguing with the Scriptures. Good luck with that.\\

I'm not arguing with the Scriptures.

I'm arguing with the SDA interpretation of them, which is not the same thing, though you may not realize that.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/14/15


Cluny: Now you are arguing with the Scriptures. Good luck with that.



Monk: Are you saying that the dead are conscious or unconscious in "hell"?



---jerry6593 on 4/14/15


And Adam did die. Not on the day that he ate the fruit, but God had set him up to live forever, and after his fall, he lost immortality and eventually died

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/12/15

Monk, if Adam was created immortal, as we see angels are created immortal, they remain immortal, since angels cannot die.

If Adam was created immortal, what was the purpose of the Tree if Life, that gave immortality? They had not eaten of this tree, and God removed them from Eden lest they too ate of this tree and became immortal.
---kathr4453 on 4/14/15


Jerry said, "Do you really mean that Adam died, that is, ceased consciousness, until Jesus raises him up in the resurrection at the last day?"

Yes, his physical body died. His soul and spirit went to abide in hell until Jesus died on the Cross and broke the gates of hell, and let loose all the captives.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/13/15


\\Cluny: "Who will clean up all this ash?

Have you ever heard of "the earth made new"?
\\

If the earth is made new, then we won't be walking on the ashes of burnt up people as you claim Malachi means.

Make up your mind. You can't have it both ways.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/13/15




Gen 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Mat 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

1Corithians 15:53
For this corruptible must put on, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Read the whole passage.

1Ti 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

We do not yet have immortality. We await the resurrection of the Righteous.

The way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/13/15


Monk: "he lost immortality and eventually died"

Do you really mean that Adam died, that is, ceased consciousness, until Jesus raises him up in the resurrection at the last day?

If so, then you now agree with me and the Bible. If not, you contradict yourself and the Bible.



Cluny: "Who will clean up all this ash?

Have you ever heard of "the earth made new"?

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away, and there was no more sea.

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.


---jerry6593 on 4/13/15


\\Mal 4:3

And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Where is this verse wrong?
\\

The verse isn't wrong, but the SDA application of it is.

If you are right, please answer me this question: Who will clean up all this ash?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/12/15


Jerry said, "Do you think that they are still burning?

As for the "devilish lie", in Eden, God said:
"Thou shalt surely die." (Gen 2:17)
But Satan said:
"Ye shall not surely die." (Gen 3:4)
So, do you believe God or the Devil???


The residents of Sodom are still burning in hell, that's the whole idea.

And Adam did die. Not on the day that he ate the fruit, but God had set him up to live forever, and after his fall, he lost immortality and eventually died

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/12/15


Yes Monk Brendon I will pray for you.

So you say his reasoning is flawed. Where?


Revelation 20:14

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Is it in saying that death is death?


Psalms 145:20

The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.

Is that GOD will destroy the wicked when you say destroy does not mean destroy.


Mal 4:3

And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Where is this verse wrong?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/12/15


Monk: "You can't get away from the doctrine that hell in [sic] never-ending."

Have you never read:

Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.

Do you think that they are still burning?


As for the "devilish lie", in Eden, God said:

"Thou shalt surely die." (Gen 2:17)

But Satan said:

"Ye shall not surely die." (Gen 3:4)

So, do you believe God or the Devil???


---jerry6593 on 4/12/15


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Samuel B said, "(read)The Fire That Consumes: A Biblical and Historical Study of the Doctrine of Final Punishment"

Thank you. I can't afford to buy the book, but I did find a YouTube presentation by Mr. Fudge, and his reasoning is flawed.

I understand the view that God is so loving that He will not cause people to be tormented forever, but will, at some point, totally annihilate them, body, soul, and spirit.

I say I understand it, but I cannot agree with it. I spoke to another monk--a Greek scholar--and the words that are used to describe such punishment is best rendered "unto ages of ages," as in never ending

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/11/15


I will look up your book and read it. As I have read others that say the same thing. I will check for new information that is not just what others have said before.

Will you read The Fire That Consumes: A Biblical and Historical Study of the Doctrine of Final Punishment [Edward Fudge]

I have doubts you will. Most refuse to read what goes against what they already believe.

I enjoy reading both sides of a discussion. It enables me to know more than the person who I am having the discussion with.

The way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/10/15


\\ It is a truth that those in hell will cease to exist as Jerry and Mark so capably point out.\\

No, it isn't, and yes they do continue to exist.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/10/15


Samuel B said, "Yes it is a lie that GOD will let people out of hell. It is a truth that those in hell will cease to exist as Jerry and Mark so capably point out."

And this is another lie. Neither will God let people out of hell nor will He extinguish their being. Hell is torment for the rest of eternity. Read "The River of Fire" by Alexander Kalomiros. You can find it on line, but not being able to post urls I am constrained to referencing it.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/10/15


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Jerry said, "That is a devilish lie. The Bible says:
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death...Death is NOT life!
Mal 4:3 ...for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet
Ashes are NOT alive!"


Oh? What about Rev 14:4? And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. ...

Or how about Mark 9:48? where the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.

Ashes have no life, true, but forever means unending. Besides, if hell ends, then so will heaven, as the same forever describes heaven. You can't get away from the doctrine that hell in never-ending.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/10/15


Yes it is a lie that GOD will let people out of hell. It is a truth that those in hell will cease to exist as Jerry and Mark so capably point out.

The Way of the Cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/8/15


Monk: "that person WILL suffer in hell for all eternity"

That is a devilish lie. The Bible says:

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Death is NOT life!

Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet

Ashes are NOT alive!

---jerry6593 on 4/8/15

Good reading and better understanding for everyone...with scripture from you and Mark Eaton. Appreciate you guys response with truth...witnesses are your scriptures.
---Trav on 4/8/15


Monk: "that person WILL suffer in hell for all eternity"

That is a devilish lie. The Bible says:

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Death is NOT life!

Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet

Ashes are NOT alive!

1Ti 6:16 [God] Who ONLY hath immortality

The wicked are NOT alive during the Millennium with Christ.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.



---jerry6593 on 4/8/15


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WILL suffer in hell for all eternity. That is not my rule, it is God's...
---Monk_Brendan on 4/7/15

Rev 20:14-15 "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire"

We, who have our names written into the Lamb's Book of Life will live forever, as Jesus promised us.

But those who do not have their names written into the Lamb's Book of Life, will DIE a second death, a spiritual death, and this time it is forever.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/7/15


Jerry said, "Jamea: You will NOT suffer in hell forever. That is a Satanic lie. Get to know Jesus. If you do, you will LOVE Him. If you love Him, you are safe."

Jerry, if someone, anyone does not choose to cooperate with Jesus, that person WILL suffer in hell for all eternity. That is not my rule, it is God's. The satanic fiction is that God will let you out of hell at some time in the future.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/7/15


Cluny, to ask Jamea to translate his English question into English is rude and insensitive. English might not be his first language or maybe he has been brought up in an area where English is spoken VERY differently from standard English. I have a Jamaican friend to whom the latter applies but we are able to understand each other sufficiently well to converse with each other.

We, who use this website, are a great mixture of backgrounds and education and I think that, with a little patience and politeness, we should be able to answer each other reasonably well. If we cannot then we have the choice of just not answering at all.
---Rita_H on 4/6/15


StrongAxe: Thank you for your reasonable response to Cluny. Jamea is obviously a precious child of God who is seeking advice from Christians. As such, she has the right to expect us to treat her(?) as we would treat Jesus. That she may have had less educational opportunity than the rest of us is no excuse for condescension on our part.


Jamea: You will NOT suffer in hell forever. That is a Satanic lie. Get to know Jesus. If you do, you will LOVE Him. If you love Him, you are safe.



---jerry6593 on 4/6/15


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Cluny:

You asked: jamea, please translate this sentence into English. It's hopelessly garbled as it appears here on the site.

How about (with very minor editing):

In reply, I don't think it's possible to avoid hell without Jesus. Maybe that's why it annoys me. I feel as if I'm being forced to commit my life to him, or suffer forever. As to reply to everyone else : can we not have a sensible conversation, whether we agree on certain things or not, in a sensible way?
---StrongAxe on 4/3/15


Jamea said, "i want to follow jesus,but feel im being pushed,cause if i dont i go to hell,like theres no choice,u must follow me or suffer!"

Jamea, let's not focus on hell, and a bad choice that may put you in hell.

Instead, let's focus on the love of Jesus. When I asked Jesus how much He loved me, He said, "This Much," then He stretched out His arms on the Cross and died for me.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/4/15


jamea, do you think there's a third alternative other than Jesus or hell?

If so, what is this third alternative?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/4/15


Rita_H:

You wrote: I sometimes use capitals here for emphasis, not because I have the desire to shout but because I don't know how to change the colour, make italics etc. as some of you do.

Using capitals for one or two words is usually considered fine - it's like speaking emphatically. It's only like shouting if somebody does it for most of a messasge.

To get special effects, put tags around text, for example, {b}bold stuff{/b}, {i}italic stuff{/i} or {u}underlined stuff{/u}, except replace the curly brackets with angle brackets (less than + greater than signs). Color is similar, but slightly more complicated.
---StrongAxe on 4/3/15


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\\n reply i dont think its possible to avoid hell without jesus maybe dats why it annoys me i feel as if im been forced to commit my life to him or suffer forever, as to reply to everyone else csn we not have a sensible converstation weather we argree on certain things or not in a sensible way!
---jamea3475 on 4/3/15\\

jamea, please translate this sentence into English. It's hopelessly garbled as it appears here on the site.

Maybe you don't understand this: If you have not turned to Jesus, you are already IN hell. You just don't realize it yet.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/3/15


Trav check again I said you were judging as the Phairsees did. I pointed to your action. I did not say you were one or that you were not a christian. I pointed to what you did.

Now on Hank Hangeroff. I have never heard of him.

So you say he did those things and therefore he should not be trusted. If he did those things then I would agree he cannot be trusted. I would doubt if he was a true believer. So all your statments could be true.

Here you stopped short of saying if he was saved or lost. You did not judge him you judged his actions.

I pray I am making myself clear.

Jesus is risen.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/3/15


jamez, do you think it's possible for you to avoid Hell WITHOUT turning to Jesus?

If so, why do you think this?

Glory to Jesus Christ! in reply i dont think its possible to avoid hell without jesus maybe dats why it annoys me i feel as if im been forced to commit my life to him or suffer forever, as to reply to everyone else csn we not have a sensible converstation weather we argree on certain things or not in a sensible way!
---jamea3475 on 4/3/15


I sometimes use capitals here for emphasis, not because I have the desire to shout but because I don't know how to change the colour, make italics etc. as some of you do.
---Rita_H on 4/3/15


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So Trav ...The pharisees judged Jesus by thier definition. Just as you judge others.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/3/15

Sam,
One difference. Having the scriptural marks or signs I'll call it what it is.
Double tongued Sam...You've judged me a Pharisee! Ha.
Lets consider one popular hireling.
Hank Hanegraaff.
He's turned GOD's word into a nice salary and Golf score. Selling what was ultimately paid for already. He merchandises scripture, doctrines and Christians. A paid hireling speaker and merchandiser. He proposes that he reveals the cults...he does. Created his own profit center angle. Claiming he has all the answers. He doesn't. A self promoting, P.C., scripturally found fraud.
---Trav on 4/3/15


Kath your shouting angry CAPITAL style of writing makes it look as though you are already in HELL!

I am free to disagree with anyone and just as free to ask anyone to give Scriptural evidence to support their view. I am also free to believe that anyone who avoids answering questions has something to hide. That you feel HOUNDED, make me sure you have much to hide.

However do you have the right TO SHOUT AT ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU?

Read my post of 1st April and point out my hounding, please.
---Warwick on 4/2/15


...Trav unless you know our hearts you cannot judge in the way of Christ.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/2/15

Judging has many confused. I don't judge to death or life.
GODs alone to do.
I can, do and will discern/judge for myself if: Two of us walk together.
If: One has GOD's laws in their heart Heb 8:10.
If: One is a "Sheep" or a "wolf", "hireling", "Viper"...etc.
We easily discern, judge that any do or do not believe/use all prophets witnesses...because we cannot walk together if you do not.
We will be unequally yoked. You with doctrines/sayings of men. Myself with Prophets. You'll wreck the wagon pulling to the "left".
Heb_5:14 But strong meat belongeth ...
---Trav on 4/3/15


So Trav a person who preaches a false gospel on TV you say you can recognize they are a hireling.

Others who are caught in sin you can regonize.

While I agree they maybe hirelings I do not know for sure.

But since no one here has been caught or teaches evil here. I cannot say even you are a hireling.

The pharisees judged Jesus by thier definition. Just as you judge others.

Jesus is risen.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/3/15


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To know if someone is a hireling, you need to be able to read their heart.
You cannot do so...."Judge not".
---Mark_Eaton on 4/2/15

Are you a preacher? Respectfully and totally disagree. I read their feet and minds fleeing. The lack of presence in front of the Sheep. Their heart is visible to all..."Sheep".
Easy test, 1 sign.

Joh_10:12 But he that is an hireling, not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: the wolf catcheth them, scattereth the sheep.

Joh_10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, careth not for the sheep.
1Co_6:5 I speak to your shame. ...not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
---Trav on 4/2/15


To know if someone is a hireling, you need to be able to read their heart.
You cannot do so.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/2/15

I'm reading yours.
I can, will and do call a sheep a sheep and a hireling a hireling. Easy to prove and its getting easier as our world gets worse.
At an early age we recognize a wolf from a protector.
Now if you can't tell the difference between even TV wolves and one that stands for all the witnesses in scripture regardless...then you are already scattered or will be.
Most of our 12,000 thousand denominations in America Churches are scattered scripturally...by "hirelings".
I see no scriptural "denom" shepherds making TV or the news. Only hirelings making denom-dollars.
---Trav on 4/2/15


Yes Mark Eaton

Trav unless you know our hearts you cannot judge in the way of Christ.

You can follow the example of the Pharisees and judge as they did.

Jesus is Risen.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/2/15


jamez, do you think it's possible for you to avoid Hell WITHOUT turning to Jesus?

If so, why do you think this?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/2/15


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It is scripturally witnessed that Christ considered and labeled/named his daily contacts.
---Trav on 4/2/15

It is also Scripturally witnessed that God can read the hearts of men and know their intentions.

To know if someone is a hireling, you need to be able to read their heart.

You cannot do so.

Therefore, if you call someone a hireling you are pretending to be God because you cannot possibly know their heart and intentions.

This is the essence of Jesus telling us to "Judge not".
---Mark_Eaton on 4/2/15


We can agree or disagree but let us speak in love and kindness.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/2/15

I'll agree with Christs examples first. You, me if we bring witnesses.

It is scripturally witnessed that Christ considered and labeled/named his daily contacts.
Correctly every time.
Some of his appropriate names, hirelings, tares, Vipers, murderers, liars, Satan, wolves, foxes, dogs, strangers, unclean, hypocrites, faithless and perverse, enemies,etc.
Some he called Sheep, fishermen, disciples, apostles, goats, babes, children, brethren, lambs, rocks, blessed, righteous, servants, redeemed, his people, elect, scattered etc.

Pick a fit.
If the witnesses agree then it is what it is.
---Trav on 4/2/15


People go to hell and die the Second death because they choose sin and hatred above love and doing right.

Jesus came to save us from the results of sin and from living in sin.

Instead of attacking each other it is better to just discuss. We can agree or disagree but let us speak in love and kindness.

Jesus is risen.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/2/15


Jamea, Warwick is an example of someone who forces himself on you. Stalker type qualities. Like busting in here with all his arrogance and taking over your blog question. He has no respect for others, only his pride matters. He cannot be disagreed with, or else these confrontations begin. He sees all scripture as LITERAL and has no spiritual understanding of any scripture. Are these CULT like qualities? Yes they are. And this kind of RELIGIOUS behavior is so unchristlike. Jesus never HOUNDED anyone, pressured anyone , like say Warwick does. If you disagree with any part of Warwick, he makes hell for you right here.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/15


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Kath, you wrote "Warwick, you're the one who said CREATING manna for Israel was WORK. I say that manna was Jesus Christ, just as John 6 clearly state...."

In the real world John 6 shows Jesus (who is our Creator God) created food for the 5,000, clearly a work, but you claim God has done nothing since the end of day 6 of Creation!

And you now claim the Israelites ate Jesus (other than they were eating quail)while they wandered in the desert. Incoherent indeed! You do understand they had to actually eat real food don't you? Or are you trying to say it was Jesus who created the manna? But as He is God that is a Creative act, a work.
---Warwick on 4/1/15


Jesus is the only one who can save you from hell. You don't believe following your own wisdom will save you do you? The wisdom of this world is nonsense to God.

Who is pushing you Jamea? If perhaps you are being pushed by people to join some club or group, I would suggest taking a step back. It could be some CULT. CULTS do push, and that may be a red flag right there. True Christians know not to push, and know that salvation has nothing to do with someone pushing you to join anything. Even cults who call themselves Christian will tell you joining their club will save you...WRONG.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/15


Jamea, "i want to follow jesus,but feel im being pushed,cause if i dont i go to hell,like theres no choice,u must follow me or suffer!"

If you are serious when you say you 'want to follow Jesus' then He is calling you. This idea did not come from nowhere so don't ignore it.

He died that you might live. Don't be stubborn because you feel this is being forced. Just accept that He loves you so much that He is CALLING YOU and accept the call. Once that's done tell others about Him also.
---Rita_H on 4/1/15


thanks for all the replies,id like to keep this discussion going,rite so im born into this world very gratefull,i dont choose jesus i burn forever?dats the bit that bugs me!like i believe jesus is the only person dat can save me i do have wisdom,and no i dont love sin,but i am having serious doubts about joining the saved club!
---jamea3475 on 4/1/15


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Jamea, you talk about two choices, both not being in your best interest, you think.
Do you believe there is another option or options?
If so, can you elaborate on them?
---micha9344 on 4/1/15


i believe its a awful choice
---jamea3475 on 3/31/15

I think you feel that its an awful choice because of self-will. You want to choose what you want, when you want it, and with whomever you want.

First, I call what you want "playing God". If you want to play God, following Jesus is not an option. Jesus does not want self-willed people. Jesus wants people who surrender their self-will to Him and do His will instead.

Second, if you want to "play God" then you better live the life of "eat, drink, and be merry today for tomorrow we die". Many people live this life, just look around you. They may have "causes" they live for, but ultimately they control their own destiny.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/1/15


\\\\i believe its a awful choice\\\\


Well then, with that it would appear Jamea that you are faced with two awful choices. One is for all eternity, and the other is only a drop in the bucket of time in comparison. You think of it as awful, because you LOVE your sin, and don't want to turn from it. It's very simple.

For anyone to believe that turning from SIN and following after good and righteousness is AWFUL is why the world is such an AWFUL place these days with AWFUL sinners who LOVE sin and evil more than GOOD.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/15


Ephesians 2 shows we are adopted into Israel.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/31/15

Ephesians 2 actually refers to the "lost sheep" divorced house of Israel. U R truthful, sincere, a good person Sam. Ask what Apostle (or christian) doesn't honor what the Prophets chosen by GOD said. Christ fulfilled the prophets. GOD's apostles/disciples/sheep do also.
Key prophetic references to Israel in Eph2. "Dead in trespasses and sin", "Aliens from commonwealth". "Far off", "middle wall" = divorced North House of ten Israel.
Jhn 3:16, vs Joh_17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me, ...
Matt 1:21, Lu 1:68 and 77,Matt 15:24, Jhn 1:31, Rom 11:26.
---Trav on 4/1/15


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\\\\i believe its a awful choice\\\\

What's so horrible about choosing God's love and life with Him?

In once sense it is "full of awe", but it's nothing to be afraid of or find unpleasant.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/31/15


Frist MarkEaton

Thank you for your good answer. John 3:16 GOD so loved the world, Is the reason that Jesus died for us. His people Israel is the people through whom salvation comes to the world for Jesus was and is the Jewish Messiah.
As you point out Trav.

Ephesians 2 shows we are adopted into Israel. We are part of the New Covenant which is made with Israel.

True many people do not know this.

People to die the second death because they choose hate over love.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/31/15


16 responses only two had tidbits of scripture.
Why? Is notable that even those that preach or teach salvation, don't know why GOD would give his son to die. Scripture is specific about it. It is a sign against our churches, pastors, teachers, doctrines. Not these individuals.
Find this truth below,Jamea, then build by all GOD's witnesses on it.
GOD had a people, all Israel, who sinned, he punished them and now is seeking them. Hope for us? If we honor his truth will a creator punish us? Will he punish his enemies? Would you?
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Luk_1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
---Trav on 3/31/15


if i choose not to follow jesus i suffer in hell for eternity am i right?
---jamea3475 on 3/31/15

I do not believe that. I do not believe that God is going to punish for eternity those who do not follow Jesus.

What we do know is that those who do not follow Jesus will have to die a second time, while those who follow Jesus will never die again. This second death is forever, for all eternity. You cease to exist.

You may think this second death is harsh but those who do not follow Jesus have decided to live their lives without God. God is only giving them what they want, a life and future without God.

If my son decided He wanted nothing to do with me, what choice do I have other than to let him have that?
---Mark_Eaton on 3/31/15


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\\i kind of feel sick of having to make a decision like that!//

To make no decision to follow Jesus is itself a decision.

\\i believe its a awful choice\\

But does what you believe about this correspond with reality? I suggest it does not.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/31/15


Jamea, you are already going to hell. You are already dead in sin. That's the cold hard facts. We may not like that fact, but in Adam all died, and all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. No GIFT is never FORCED on anyone. No one, not even God forces anyone to put their faith in Jesus Christ.

I think the problem here is someone has given you a faulty understanding, rather than a correct one. If you are shipped wrecked and floating in the ocean...death is absolute. However if a life boat comes along to rescue you, and you refuse to get in, and never planned to get in in the first place, you chose to die. YOU refused LIFE.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/15


if i choose not to follow jesus i suffer in hell for eternity am i right?so i have 2 choices follow him or suffer forever i kind of feel sick of having to make a decision like that!i believe its a awful choice
---jamea3475 on 3/31/15


Am I forced to follow him or suffer?
---jamea3475 on 3/28/15

I do not have any Scripture to throw at you, just a kind friendly word.

If you don't want to follow Jesus, you don't have to. Jesus does not make anyone follow Him. Nor does he make anyone suffer. Jesus and His Father are not mad at you, they are madly in love with you. They want you with them for all eternity. They have done everything possible to make that happen. Now its up to you. If you decide to follow Jesus, you will spend eternity with Him. If you decide not to follow Jesus, He respects your decision. Only there is one catch, you don't get the eternal life Jesus promises. You only get the life you are living now.

Its that simple.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/30/15


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Jamea said, " i want to follow jesus,but feel im being pushed,cause if i dont i go to hell,like theres no choice,u must follow me or suffer!"

Jamea, if the only reason that you follow Jesus is to get out of hell, isn't that reason enough?

However I don't follow Jesus to get out of hell. I follow Him because He loves me and I love Him. It isn't easy to follow Jesus. It is very hard at times, but I follow Him because I love Him, no matter what. I went through a hard spell a few years ago, when I was in the hospital with MRSA. I was in a lot of pain, but I just kept following. It wasn't easy, but I did, anyway.
---Monk_Brendan on 3/30/15


\\If you follow Him to escape hell, it is for the wrong reason. \\

I disagree. It may be a beginning for some people.

Of course, we are not supposed to remain at this level.

As St. Anthony of the Desert said, "I no longer fear God but I love Him."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/30/15


Jamea, Love, first came from God. For God so LOVED the world HE GAVE. While we were yet sinners , yes even sinners God LOVES us. It's actually HIS love that draws us to Him, not the other way around. We respond to HIS love by believing God, that He sent His Son to die in our place. There is no greater LOVE than this. We show our love by accepting HIS gift to us. And we show our hate by rejecting HIS love and gift to us. THEN all the rest will fall into place naturally. Many want to put the cart before the horse and say YOU have to work hard to prove your love......which we as sinners can never do. The ONLY thing God asks is to receive His Gift, that is Jesus Christ. Then HIS love is shed abroad in your heart, Romans 5.
---kathr4453 on 3/30/15


jamea: "I want to follow Jesus, but feel I'm being pushed"

Jesus never forced anyone. He invites you to follow Him. If you follow Him to escape hell, it is for the wrong reason. Love is the only reason that results in eternal life. Study His life and His teachings. Discern His character. Get to know Him. To know Him is to love Him.

It is only Satanic religions such as Islam that employ force - not Christianity.



---jerry6593 on 3/30/15


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If the doctor were to tell you that if you take a certain medicine, you will live, but if you don't, you will die soon, is the doctor pushing you?

Salvation is a free gift, but on Christ's terms, not our own.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/29/15


Jamea3475, when you say follow Jesus, do you actually KNOW what that means? The truth is, we FOLLOW HIM into death and resurrection life. Only those who have, will be part of the first resurrection, which means eternal life. The second death will have no power over him. Jesus came to give you LIFE. HIS life! HIS resurrection life. We are saved by HIS life. You were born dead in sin. All humanity was from Cain and Abel on down. Abel's sacrifice pointed to his faith in Jesus death and resurrection, and by doing so became an heir of righteousness. Hebrews 11. God loved you so much Jamea, that He sent His son Jesus to die for your sin, so that through Him you would be given LIFE and an inheritance.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/15


i want to follow jesus,but feel im being pushed,cause if i dont i go to hell,like theres no choice,u must follow me or suffer!
---jamea3475 on 3/29/15


"If I choose not to follow Jesus why do I go to Hell?"
"The wages of sin is death."
"Am I forced to follow him or suffer?" No.
---josef on 3/28/15


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No.

It's because not following Him IS suffering.

Jesus just ratifies the choice you have made

In the World to Come, Jesus will be EVERYTHING and EVERYWHERE.

He loves you too much to force Himself upon you for all eternity if you don't want Him, and thus He will allow you to try to escape from Him.

Good luck.

In Dante's INFERNO, Satan is locked up by ice and darkness, as far away from the Light of Love of Jesus that s/he can get.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/28/15


It's to your advantage to follow Jesus & be delivered from Hell which is the consequence you'll have to pay for your sin if you reject Him. Jesus died on the cross & paid the consequences for our sins so that we don't have to if we'll just trust/obey/have faith in Him to save us. It's a rescue mission Jamea! Choosing not to follow Jesus, you'd thereby be rejecting His rescuing of you. Subsequently, you'd be sending yourself to Hell.
---Leon on 3/28/15


John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
-No one is forcing you to do anything. It is your choice.
Rom 6:16,20,22 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
-You are already a slave, let Him set you free.
John 8:34
---micha9344 on 3/28/15


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