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\\This is not referring to modern mixed fibres, but to two specific ones, wool and linen. \\

As a matter of fact, Jews interpret this to mean not mixing ANY animal with ANY plant fabrics.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/27/15


Leviticus 11:9
These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

Lev 11:12
Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Good point Rita thank you. These rules are also repeated in Deuteronomy 14.

They mention do not eat dogs, cats, rats things found dead. Wash you hands do not use the restroom where you drink. Good rules that can help you stay alive.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/27/15


Strongaxe, "Also, seafood or mixed fabrics is just as much abominations."

This is not referring to modern mixed fibres, but to two specific ones, wool and linen. Wool shrinks but linen does not which makes the garment rather useless after one wash.

Many people use the verse Deuteronomy 22:11 to try to tell us we should not wear polyester and cotton mixes etc. but that is ridiculous.
---Rita_H on 4/27/15


... you have absolutely no clue whether or not I have ever been married...
---StrongAxe on 4/26/15

Pretty easy.
You are a male who claimed widowhood equally for males.
Is there a closet personally involved here in your incredible "exposing" defense?
But wait, you could have declared, and stood again for your adopted or personal cause.
You don't seem so "proud" of yourself defending the scripturally indefensible.

1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
---Trav on 4/27/15


I said: Also, seafood or mixed fabrics is just as much abominations. Do you picket Red Lobster?

Cluny said: Specifically shellfish, not those aquatic creatures that have fins and scales.

I had been under the impression that seafood tended to refer more to shellfish than fish with fins and scales, but the dictionary seems to show no indication of this, so I stand corrected.


Trav said: You are not a widow nor is your boyfriend/husband.

I have never discussed my marital situation here, so you have absolutely no clue whether or not I have ever been married, nor if so, whether I have ever lost a spouse, so you have no basis whatsoever to say this.
---StrongAxe on 4/26/15




\\Also, seafood or mixed fabrics is just as much abominations. Do you picket Red Lobster?\\

Specifically shellfish, not those aquatic creatures that have fins and scales.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/26/15


Senator.

He was legally elected. Poser how?

Citizen.
American.
His birth certificate has been vetted. Poser how?

Christian.
The Biblical definition of "anti-christ" is someone who denies that Jesus came in the flesh. Has he done this? Are you qualified to judge the legitimacy of anyone else's faith? If you think so, your own faith is equally subject to close scrutiny. If not, poser how?

College Education.
Care to qualify this accusation with actual facts, unlike any of the previous ones?

Also, seafood or mixed fabrics is just as much abominations. Do you picket Red Lobster?
---StrongAxe on 4/25/15


Trav:

You often said: Poser... Do you forbid widows from marrying because they can't bear children?
---StrongAxe on 4/24/15

Fake. Imposter. Poser:a person who pretends to be what he is not.
(Disgusting but, less disgusting than those who enable, support or worship a deception)
Poser: Senator.
Poser: Citizen.
Poser: American.
Poser: Christian.
Poser: College Education.
Poser: A Strong Axe that breaks.

I forbid??.
GOD forbids. You are not a widow nor is your boyfriend/husband.

You've stand before GOD with your boyfriend/husband. I with my woman/wife.
Lev_20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: ...
---Trav on 4/25/15


Trav:

You often said: Poser

Could you please clarify what you mean by this? Just what is he posing as? Clearly not as president, because he was duefully elected to that office, twice, according to the laws of the United States, and the Supreme Court has upheld that. If you don't like that, I don't hear you complaining about how the same court gave Florida (and the presidency) to Bush 8 years earlier. Considering court rulings legitimate only if you personally like them would be inconsistent and hypocritical.

Christ didn't have to say anything about gays. We know it produces nothing.

What do you mean by 'produce'? Do you forbid widows from marrying because they can't bear children?
---StrongAxe on 4/24/15


///Leon,thank you for your answer. You are very eloquent and got me to searching the word in the Bible. I found Luke 24:11 As idle talk,Old world for nonsense,only here in the New Testament. One thing I learned is the definition depends on the word it is translated from, example Riyq-emptiness, vanity, idle,and vain. I think my strictly personal definition for idle would be without merit. Thanks for making me dig it's a good way to learn. God Bless---Darlene_1 on 4/24/15///

IDLE: Nonsense (foolishness) ~ without merit (frivolous, scatterbrained, trivial). Okay! You're welcome Darlene. Glad to be of help. :) God bless!!!
---Leon on 4/24/15




Leon,thank you for your answer. You are very eloquent and got me to searching the word in the Bible. I found Luke 24:11 As idle talk,Old world for nonsense,only here in the New Testament. One thing I learned is the definition depends on the word it is translated from, example Riyq-emptiness,vanity,idle,and vain. I think my strictly personal definition for idle would be without merit. Thanks for making me dig it's a good way to learn. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/24/15


"Idle" words Darlene are those that are unhealthy, nonproductive & very destructive...
---Leon on 4/23/15

I do not believe that is what our Lord was discussing.

The phrase "idle words" also occurs in Luke 24:11:

Luke 24:11 "And their words seemed to them like idle tales, and they did not believe them"

The Bible is full of discussions on slanderous words, deceitful words, gossip, false witness, and the like.

I believe "idle words" talks about what we do when our lives are idle and we talk with others in a casual nature. Some people call it chit-chat.

Matt 12:36 says to me that even the things we see as meaningless, God sees as important and will judge.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/24/15


///..I wonder if the question is now what are idle words and how do we recognize them? Of course the bottom line is we have to answer for everything we do as Christians no matter if words,thought,or deeds. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/22/15///

"Idle" words Darlene are those that are unhealthy, nonproductive & very destructive. Rather than building up, they blow up (tear down). They are waste (dung) full of slanderous, hateful lies (buzzing with flies) & stinking to high heaven. They're as noisy as a big dog's bark & poisonous as the most deadliest snake's venom. They are obscenities, curses, spoken/written spells that damn the very souls of people who use them...
---Leon on 4/23/15


Trav said, "...Scripture witnesses are the test of truth, monk."
Then why do I find you so full of falsehood?
---Monk_Brendan on 4/22/15

You've avoided scripture...so naturally some will seem false to you.
Is the following falsehood?
Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: I will place them, multiply them, will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
Eze 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
---Trav on 4/23/15


Trav:
Truth (verified by witnesses), hearsay, or presumptions?
Jesus said nothing about gays.
...this mongrel...
---StrongAxe on 4/22/15

Verify yourself with the internet. I did before posting.
Christ didn't have to say anything about gays. We know it produces nothing.
Christ fulfilled all the prophets sayings and his father who were against it.
Co_6:9 Know ye not ..., nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Christ called people what they were: Vipers, serpents, dogs, foxes etc.
Poser called his self a mongrel on Oprah. He was correct on one thing.
Mat_23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
---Trav on 4/23/15


Trav:

You just can't bear the revealing of truth about him.

Truth (verified by witnesses), hearsay, or presumptions?

... he is your race.

Of course. He's human, just as I am, and I presume you are.

platform of abortion and gays

Jesus said nothing about gays (but DID against divorce), and OT penalty for miscarriage is civil, not manslaughter - so evangelical mouth-foaming about these is overstated.

this mongrel

Are you capable of discource without personal insults?

He'll abort you quicker

Again with unsubstantiated accusations. Unless he has declared death penalty on Christians in the last couple of days and I missed it.
---StrongAxe on 4/22/15


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Trav: You deceive yourself & don't tell it like it is, but only as you imagine it to be. Big difference bud!

Who is this white supremacy, royal "we've" mob you speak of? By the way, there's but one race, THE HUMAN RACE! But a devoutly RACIST, hell-hound like you may never know that unless you repent!

You have the power of life or death over "your own soul". Repent of your sins & be born again! Otherwise, you'll have chosen to ABORT yourself right into hell. Repent!

Your whole attitude is far from being Christlike. You grossly misunderstand & misinterpret Scripture. Instead, you rant like a possessed, angry, mean-spirited, lost soul who desperately needs to be saved. REPENT!
---Leon on 4/22/15


Leon I guess I misunderstood and I didn't want to offend you or anyone. Thanks for making it clear. My brother I wonder if the question is now what are idle words and how do we recognize them? Of course the bottom line is we have to answer for everything we do as Christians no matter if words,thought,or deeds. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/22/15


Christians" are responsible (accountable) for every idle word that comes out of our hearts & thru our mouths...
bloggers (like Trav) vehemently & unfairly slander him.
---Leon on 4/22/15

Yes I passionately tell it like it is.
Not unfairly though. Truth is truth. You just can't bear the revealing of truth about him.
We've determined from past posts that you voted/defend him because he is your race. 1/2 perhaps. You claim to be a Christian but, his platform of abortion and gays doesn't bother you. Power is your GOD...you think this mongrel has your best interests at heart. Yet he said he wanted his daughters to have the option for abortion. His own grandchildren.
He'll abort you quicker.
---Trav on 4/22/15


Trav:
... you forgot the part of the Bible that says that we are supposed to respect the higher powers, because they are ordained by God.
---StrongAxe on 4/21/15

Your in over your head again.
Poser is a "public servant".
You stopped short in scripture: Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. ...:
He is not a ruler or a power. He doesn't qualify as a "terror to evil". He is evil's servant.
His platform was abortion and gays.
And you defend him. Wow and woe.
Problem for you is there is no scriptural defense for you. Ignorance doesn't count. Because you are not ignorant of his election platform. Now you are not ignorant of Rom 13:3.
Wake up.
---Trav on 4/22/15


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Leon thank you. Please understand I agreed with Trav on some points but I said nothing about Obama therefore you made a mistake,it seems,in getting onto me about it...---Darlene_1 on 4/22/15///

Darlene: While Freedom of Speech is an integral & valuable part of the U.S. Constitution, "We the People Christians" are responsible (accountable) for every idle word that comes out of our hearts & thru our mouths. (Matt. 12:36) I mentioned President Obama, in the last post, because many bloggers (like Trav) vehemently & unfairly slander him. In no way was I trying to lump you into his company in that regard. I was just contrasting views since Trav also was addressed in the same blog.
---Leon on 4/22/15


Leon thank you. Please understand I agreed with Trav on some points but I said nothing about Obama therefore you made a mistake,it seems,in getting onto me about it. I barely knew what the word referred to. Everyone has a view point about our Countries situation and even if we don't agree with another we still need to give them the freedom and right to say it. That comes under freedom of speech and God understands we must never bind anyone from their freedoms. Perception is different in every person in all areas of their lives therefore I cannot see another's perception but to me it's all right just as the different views of the Bible. I won't judge anyone for their views. We are all Brother's and Sister's and families disagree. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/22/15


Trav:

You said: Wow. We need to pray for all the hidden and known sufferers under the posers regime.

I guess you forgot the TWO elections where Barack Obama was actually elected by a majority of electors. I also guess you forgot the part of the Bible that says that we are supposed to respect the higher powers, because they are ordained by God.

I also guess you overlooked the fact that we had a recession under him only because he managed to stave off a full depression that would have been a result of George W. Bush's reckless economic policies.
---StrongAxe on 4/21/15


Trav: You can't blame everything on the POTUS. His administration is only one third of the Federal Government. Mr. Obama didn't create all the problems Americans face. The majority of the problems he's juggling were inherited from previous administrations. So, don't get your bias in a bunch pal!

///...after...SS, etc,is taken out of their pay [what's]left is below the poverty line...To figure in money that never goes home with a person is down right crooked...---Darlene_1 on 4/21/15///

Darlene: Yes, that's downright unconscionable, but it's the law. The current POTUS had no part in implementing it. Vote the HR rascals out. Change the laws!

I pray the Lord will meet the subject family's every need. (Romans 8:28)
---Leon on 4/21/15


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Trav It is a shame what people are suffering in the USA and yes we need to pray God will move to help the needy of America. The Recession hit us hard. We have a floor covering business which was doing well enough before the Recession,we could afford to pay for our Cruise and seven others in the family,now I am often praying Lord give my husband work so we can pay our bills. I'm giving God the Glory for answering those prayers. What we hear in the news about the percent not working is so far from what that means and who are being hurt by it. God help America. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/21/15


please pray the wife,whose job just ended,can find a good paying job at a time where she can be home when the children .... God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/21/15

Wow. We need to pray for all the hidden and known sufferers under the posers regime.
General public is not hearing everything that is going wrong with this program.
I know a lady in her 30's with 3 kids, husband left her. She was working at and trying to purchase her retired Grandfathers small General store ...but, the $1,200.00 per mth premiums didn't leave enough money on the table to live on. They closed the store so she could qualify for help or get a higher paying job.
Everyone in the immediate area lost the benefit of the rural store.


---Trav on 4/21/15


Leon just a bit of added information,the person I was talking about told me after everything,SS,etc,is taken out of their pay what is left is below the poverty line for five people. Never-the-less to get help the agencies where you apply figure the eligibility on the Gross Income which causes them to show they make too much to get help. To figure in money that never goes home with a person is down right crooked. It breaks my heart!!! Thank you for your interest,please pray the wife,whose job just ended,can find a good paying job at a time where she can be home when the children get out of school and she needs to make enough to hire daycare for the youngest. God just needs to give them a miracle. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/21/15


///Leon thank you yes it's sad and it's even worse than I shared. Either they didn't know about it or it didn't fit the needs of the family,I'm not sure about it. Every way they tuned the doors closed and there was no help to be had. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/20/15///

Darlene: Occasionally, we all have been misinformed by people opposed to given government concepts or we just simply didn't understand how things could work to our benefit. I'm old enough to know that oftentimes people's political & religious views, & cultural biases will cloud one's better judgment & cause them to do other that the right thing in given situations. Wrong decisions can be costly on many levels.
---Leon on 4/21/15


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Leon thank you yes it's sad and it's even worse than I shared. Either they didn't know about it or it didn't fit the needs of the family,I'm not sure about it. Every way they tuned the doors closed and there was no help to be had. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/20/15


...You hear about all the help families will get to buy insurance but they have tried and there is nothing they qualify for. Even with both working they had to go and get free groceries because they didn't have enough money left for them. Sad situation,children are 13,9,and 2 and whatever the family has to scrimp on to buy what they need for them they do. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/20/15

That is a very sad story Darlene. Did they enroll or decline enrollment in the Obamacare health exchanges, back in February (offered outside of their companies) to possible get the level of insurance needed, at a more competitive (lower) rate, to cover their family?
---Leon on 4/20/15


Leon yes the family makes too much with combined salaries to get Medicaid or any help with insurance therefore they must use the one that the company the husband works for offers to employees. They have to have insurance on the children or get fined by Obama Care therefore they have no choice and it forces them to take the available coverage for them. You hear about all the help families will get to buy insurance but they have tried and there is nothing they qualify for. Even with both working they had to go and get free groceries because they didn't have enough money left for them. Sad situation,children are 13,9,and 2 and whatever the family has to scrimp on to buy what they need for them they do. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/20/15


//Cluny I know what you mean. Someone I know has insurance which costs $2400,00 a month for two adults and three children but still has a $85.00 co-pay at the the doctors office and $250.00 co-pay at emergency room. Obama care is a bad joke that hurts more people than it helps. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/16/15//

HUH?! So the people you know pay nearly $30,000 a year for health insurance coverage in addition to paying a set $85.00 co-pay for each visit, however often that occurs? Plus whenever they have an emergency (however often that occurs) they must pay a flat rate co-pay of $250 each time? You're saying their extremely high premium, etc., is due primarily to Obamacare? Really?! What were they paying before Obamacare?
---Leon on 4/17/15


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\\if it looks too good to be true it probably has some catch to it. God Bless\\

As in "Let's just pass the law and see what's inside"?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/17/15


Cluny yes I agree that's a good thing but they don't say how high the cost will go for being treated for pre-existing conditions,do they? I guess I am just from the old school,if it looks too good to be true it probably has some catch to it. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/16/15


Darlene, there is ONE good thing about the ACA (aka Obamacare).

You cannot be refused for a pre-existing condition.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/16/15


Cluny I know what you mean. Someone I know has insurance which costs $2400,00 a month for two adults and three children but still has a $85.00 co-pay at the the doctors office and $250.00 co-pay at emergency room. Obama care is a bad joke that hurts more people than it helps. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/16/15


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\\We should try to get poor people off Obamacare before they start to like it. Many think Jesus loved the poor, but they cherry-pick the Bible. He said the unprofitable servant should be thrown into hell. Is stealing health care from those who can afford it, worth being thrown into hell?\\

There are some people who actually thought that Obamacare meant free health care for all. It isn't.

And I know StrongAxe is not one of these.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 4/15/15


Leon:

This has to do with facebook, in that comments made by political wingnuts (both right- and left- leaning) say things that so vilate common sense wisdom, that people beed to hear about it. Thus, some people will post such comments on Facebook, for better or worse - to foster honesty if they are true, and vitriolic hatred if they are not.

Also, in my previous message (which apparently never got approved) was that the quotation I paraphrased did not actually happen (so I didn't due my "two witness" due diligence). Joni Ernst has said many off-the-wall things, but didn't actually stoop to the one I had posted, so for this I am sorry.
---StrongAxe on 4/14/15


...A lot of people on facebook are nice. Some are not. Some...post things that not-so-nice people have said. On exmple...google: iowa ernst unprofitable poor... newly-elected Iowa Senator Joni said...We should try to get poor people off Obamacare before they start to like it. Many think Jesus loved the poor, but they cherry-pick the Bible. He said the unprofitable servant should be thrown into hell. Is stealing health care from those who can afford it, worth being thrown into hell?

Yes. This ELECTED POLITICIAN wants to do poor people a MERCY by cutting off their health care...so they won't...go to hell!
---StrongAxe on 4/14/15


HUH? Related to -- what does any of this nonsense have to do with Facebook?!
---Leon on 4/14/15


StrongAxe, all the people I have dealings with on Facebook are nice.
---learner2 on 4/14/15


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learner2:

A lot of people on facebook are nice. Some are not. Some are nice, but post things that not-so-nice people have said. On exmple, if you google: iowa ernst unprofitable poor,
you get a screed newly-elected Iowa Senator Joni said.

here is a paraphrase:
We should try to get poor people off Obamacare before they start to like it. Many think Jesus loved the poor, but they cherry-pick the Bible. He said the unprofitable servant should be thrown into hell. Is stealing health care from those who can afford it, worth being thrown into hell?

Yes. This ELECTED POLITICIAN wants to do poor people a MERCY by cutting off their health care options - just so they won't need to go to hell!
---StrongAxe on 4/14/15


I like facebook a lot. The people there are much nicer than the people here.
---learner2 on 4/13/15


Woman today are in the workplace. Many affairs begin in the workplace. The workplace is the world, and many if not most Christians have to work in the world and with women and or men. If one wears the whole armor of God like we are instructed to do, whether Facebook, the workplace, or the grocery store, we don't have to give into temptations, that are around us everywhere.
---kathr4453 on 4/13/15


I think Facebook is an outlet for good Christian mininstry if that is what u use it for...
The enemy will get in where there is an opening..
---facebook on 4/12/15


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Mark_Eaton, Rita_H:

If people are pre-disposed to adultery, and willing to commit it despite their own personal beliefs to the contrary, they will do so, whether they use Facebook or any other venue.

If people are willing to make the necessary sacrifices to remain faithful to their spouses, they will do so whether they are on Facebook or not.

This isn't a matter of Facebook, or any other venue. It is a matter of the strength of one's marriage, and the strength of one's commitments to one's vows, and to the integrity of one's beliefs.
---StrongAxe on 4/10/15


That's the logical conclusion & I agree absolutely 'Axe.
---Leon on 4/11/15


I don't agree with you Strongaxe and have reasons for not doing so but that's O.K. We ARE allowed to disagree here and it would be strange indeed if we didn't do so sometimes.
---Rita_H on 4/11/15


Mark_Eaton, Rita_H:

If people are pre-disposed to adultery, and willing to commit it despite their own personal beliefs to the contrary, they will do so, whether they use Facebook or any other venue.

If people are willing to make the necessary sacrifices to remain faithful to their spouses, they will do so whether they are on Facebook or not.

This isn't a matter of Facebook, or any other venue. It is a matter of the strength of one's marriage, and the strength of one's commitments to one's vows, and to the integrity of one's beliefs.
---StrongAxe on 4/10/15


Mark: No offense meant, but your views are legalistic regarding what you think others "should" be doing with their time. Remember when some church folk were telling others not to go to movies & stay off the internet because it was inherently evil? I had a dear cousin whose church taught women shouldn't wear makeup, etc. Many, I guess well meaning, Christians claim smoking cigarettes, etc., & drinking alcohol is a sin. And then there's my "personal" favorite,i.e., people who say interracial marriage is forbidden by the Bible. Huh?! :)

If something isn't specifically Scripture forbidden, let's be gracious enough to permit others freedom of choice as their God-given conscience leads.

Peace! :)
---Leon on 4/10/15


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I didn't understand your last question. Please explain.
---Leon on 4/8/15

What are you teaching other men about Facebook?

I know what your own personal opinion of FB is, but what do you tell another man when he asks your counsel on FB?

As I have mentioned, I counsel men to stay off FB and if they cannot, have their wife present to see what they post and who they correspond with.

As you and StrongAxe have said, there are many valid reasons to FB. I do not deny that. But, most people use FB to fill time, or to kill time. It is another form of entertainment. Another way to distract us away from what we as Believers need to be about.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/10/15


Strongaxe - "If something posted online can wreck a marriage, the marriage is already pretty much wrecked long before the post is made". Not necessarily. With new ways of communication come new temptations.

When men went to war I'm sure that most never intended to have affairs whilst away from their wives and families but just look what resulted from the Vietnam war. Similar things happened in the First and Second world wars also.

Facebook has opened the facility for people to chat openly or privately thus allowing means of arranging to meet etc. The rest is left to the imagination.
---Rita_H on 4/9/15


If 50% of marriages end in divorce, it means there are another 50% that don't.
---StrongAxe on 4/8/15
Too easy, sin
---Leon on 4/8/15

While I agree with your statements, I believe the answer lies deeper than that.

I think Believers have become "conformed to the image of the world".

Rom 12:2 "And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God"

We have become conformed to the likeness of the world and FB is one way this happens.

Think about this. Can you live without your cell phone for a week? A month?
---Mark_Eaton on 4/9/15


...we cannot figure out why the divorce rate in the church is as high as outside the church.

Or why Christian couples spend thousands on marriage counseling or marriage seminars.

Or why on-demand adult movie purchasing goes up at hotels when they host a men's church retreat.

Or why more and more secular teachers and Sunday school teachers get arrested for S-Assault against a minor or for C-P.

When are we MEN going to admit we have a problem in the church?

Is it okay to FB for the men you disciple or mentor?
---Mark_Eaton on 4/8/15


Too easy Mark!

SIN!!!



I didn't understand your last question. Please explain.
---Leon on 4/8/15


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Mark_Eaton:

You said: I guess you and Leon got it all figured out.

Except we cannot figure out why the divorce rate in the church is as high as outside the church.


This is because many people (in the church or not) don't REALLY understand and agree to the commitment that they are making. If two people get married, truly "for better or worse", and REALLY mean it, they can weather almost anything. Sadly, in modern society's "instant gratification" paradigm, waiting for things to work out is often not seen as a viable option. But this does not mean we should demean those who CAN make things work out. If 50% of marriages end in divorce, it means there are another 50% that don't.
---StrongAxe on 4/8/15


This is why openness and transparency is the way to go.... It depends on why you chat...
---StrongAxe on 4/7/15

I guess you and Leon got it all figured out.

Except we cannot figure out why the divorce rate in the church is as high as outside the church.

Or why Christian couples spend thousands on marriage counseling or marriage seminars.

Or why on-demand adult movie purchasing goes up at hotels when they host a men's church retreat.

Or why more and more secular teachers and Sunday school teachers get arrested for S-Assault against a minor or for C-P.

When are we MEN going to admit we have a problem in the church?

Is it okay to FB for the men you disciple or mentor?
---Mark_Eaton on 4/8/15


Mark_Eaton:

This is why openness and transparency is the way to go. If your wife can see everything that you post or receive on Facebook (or anywhere else), there is no danger of drama. Leon points out Billy Graham's maxim, which works well.

Wow, I am shocked by your flippant response.

I said IF he is likely to commit adultery.

Isn't chatting with a woman other than your wife outside of your wife's attention a hint of immorality?

It depends on why you chat. I got my best friend in high school a job with me, and he ended up marrying my office mate. They named their son after me. She frequently emails me cool pictures off the internet. No hint of adultery there.
---StrongAxe on 4/7/15


Very mature & wise Candice. I trust your husband's friends are also respectful & friendly towards you. Also the same should be said for your friends being friendly towards him too.

It's not wise for married people to have male or female friends who aren't also friendly towards their mate. If a mate's friends don't treat you in the same friendly manner as your spouse, that's definitely a red flag. A spousal meeting of the minds needs to happen immediately to determine if having such a friend(s) is healthy or is potentially detrimental to the marriage. If the latter is true, quickly dump the pseudo-friend. Dangerous people target the marriages of others for many diabolical & twisted reasons.
---Leon on 4/7/15


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Mark: The Billy Graham analogy is good. I believe, while it can possibly be a snare to possibly being tempted to do evil, even more so it might lead to a very real possibility of creating the appearance of evil.

You said, "I tell every married man I know to stay off Facebook." Sounds like you've launched a campaign towards keeping ALL married men off of FB based on your preconceived notions. :)

I'd handle the situation like this if an old girlfriend sent me a friend request: IF I decided to friend her, I'd first talk the matter over with my spouse. If she's okay with it, I'd agree to friend the person only if, at my suggestion, she agrees to friend my spouse too. If the OG agrees, fine. If not, see ya!!!
---Leon on 4/7/15


But, one size does not fit all people when it comes to social interactions whether on FB or otherwise.
---Leon on 4/7/15

Prov. 22:17 "Incline your ear and hear the words of the wise..."

I do not make anyone do anything. I make suggestions only.

And my suggestion to men who want to practice holiness is to stay off FB. Any opportunity to talk with a woman without your wife knowing it is not the right choice to make. How easy it is to add that old flame as a friend and before you know it, you are chatting about stuff your wife knows nothing about.

Look at Billy Graham. He decided long ago that the right decision for him was to never be in a room alone with a woman with the door closed.

---Mark_Eaton on 4/7/15


Mark: The situation is just as 'Axe has stated. I believe a much bigger problem exists when well meaning Christians try & MAKE others do the right thing. Choice is a God-given ability that brings with it either blessings or consequences. God allows us to individually choose. The Bible shows that from Genesis to Revelation.

Sure, if you know a brother or sister is weak in a certain area, it's your Christian duty to encourage him/her to resist & avoid such areas. Pray for them as well! But, one size does not fit all people when it comes to social interactions whether on FB or otherwise. ijs :)
---Leon on 4/7/15


My husband is friends with women from his high-school graduation & their husbands.I have no problem with it because I too associate with my past male friends from high school and see how their family is.Sometimes my husband adds my friends & vise versa & plays words with friends & jokes with me about how they're good at the game.I even have my ex husband on my facebook because of our daughter. So it's also a trust issue. If you two cant trust eachother no point on being on social media.We've been married over 15 yrs now.
---Candice on 4/7/15


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he is likely to commit adultery just by chatting up an ex-girlfriend on Facebook...
---StrongAxe on 4/7/15

Wow, I am shocked by your flippant response.

Are you married? If so, ask your wife how she would feel if you chatted with an ex-girlfriend on Facebook.

And what about this? Isn't chatting with a woman other than your wife outside of your wife's attention a hint of immorality? Ask women what they think.

Eph. 5:3 "But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people"

Because lust is such a pervasive sin within us men, we must safeguard our own conduct.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/7/15


Mark_Eaton:

You said: I believe the issue is not posting something, but contacting someone.

If someone's marriage is so vulnerable that he is likely to commit adultery just by chatting up an ex-girlfriend on Facebook, it's already in sad shape, and he's just as likely to do so on any other venue.

I tell every married man I know to stay off Facebook.

This is good advice to anyone who is not secure in his marriage (just as staying out of bars is good advice for alcoholics), but many men are perfectly comfortable in mixed company without any danger of them looking lustfully at other women. Such men can chat on Facebook, or shop at Walmart, without fear.
---StrongAxe on 4/7/15


If something posted online can wreck a marriage, the marriage is already pretty much wrecked long before the post is made.
---StrongAxe on 4/5/15

I believe the issue is not posting something, but contacting someone.

I know men who have contacted former romance partners using Facebook. Once their spouses found out, it caused their marriages deep trouble and some never recovered and eventually failed.

I tell every married man I know to stay off Facebook.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/6/15


Facebook, there's good & bad on it.
---Lawrence on 4/6/15


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Steveng:

You said: While anything man has invented can be use for good and for evil, it seems facebook is mostly for evil purposes.

If you focus on the negative, you will see mostly the negative. Similar things have been said of inventions throughout history, like the internet, nuclear energy, computers, etc.
---StrongAxe on 4/5/15


While anything man has invented can be use for good and for evil, it seems facebook is mostly for evil purposes.

Christianity, true cristianity is based upon face-to-face communication. All humans in the world are connected by five persons - you know someone that knows someone that knows someone that knows someone that knows someone that knows someone. And that's how the vine grows - by relationships.
---Steveng on 4/5/15


I enjoy Facebook now but I wouldn't get on it at first but my family wanted me... to join. I'm so glad I did. I can get in touch with family far away and near and have even met two cousins I didn't know before I got it. Of course it all depends what you use it for,it was great for my son to be able to share his new CD Album and pictures last year with everyone. If we are Christians,we are Christians everywhere,therefore we should always uphold Jesus... there are many Christians and are always posting scriptures,religious poems,and asking for prayer and giving God Praise. Love it. The old adage "You don't throw the baby out with the bath water,"applies to Facebook too, God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/5/15


DITTO!!! :)
---Leon on 4/5/15


Rita: Being on FB is like day-to-day living in the world with everyday people (friends, family & others), only in a cyber space setting. Eat the meat & spit out the bones. We don't have to participate in any of the negative stuff. You can choose who you want to friend, block those you're not led to associate with & unfriend people who show themselves not to be friendly after all.

FB is a great source of useful information & exchange of views as well as a place for like-minded Christians to share encouragements & witness for Jesus Christ to those who are seeking Him. "The harvest is ripe, but the laborers are few." (Matt. 9:37)

We're in the world, but not of it. Do as the Lord leads you. :)
---Leon on 4/4/15


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Rita_H:

You said: I know marriages, now on the rocks, because of the foolishness of Facebook users.

If something posted online can wreck a marriage, the marriage is already pretty much wrecked long before the post is made.
---StrongAxe on 4/5/15


I enjoy Facebook now but I wouldn't get on it at first but my family wanted me and nagged me to join. I'm so glad I did. I can get in touch with family far away and near and have even met two cousins I didn't know before I got it. Of course it all depends what you use it for,it was great for my son to be able to share his new CD Album and pictures last year with everyone. If we are Christians,we are Christians everywhere,therefore we should always uphold Jesus and thats another thing on my Facebook page there are many Christians and are always posting scriptures,religious poems,and asking for prayer and giving God Praise. Love it. The old adage "You don't throw the baby out with the bath water,"applies to Facebook too,God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/5/15


I agree with moderator BUT it is also an incredible tool for gossip, saying hurtful things, flirting and even worse indiscretions. I know marriages, now on the rocks, because of the foolishness of Facebook users.

My son showed me how to use it and, having watched what can be done I chose not to join it and I never will.

A great tool, yes, but also very dangerous in foolish hands and, sadly, there are a great many foolish (and immature) people around these days.
---Rita_H on 4/4/15


Would anyone here agree FB is a mission field? If not, why?
---Leon on 4/4/15


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I love FaceaBook! it keeps me connected with family and friends.However i don't subscribe to many groups out there anymore. you still have to be careful.
---Candice on 4/4/15


Facebook gives all of us a chance to see just what moves feelings of many people in one direction or another, sometimes teaching through exchanges warm or cold.
---Geraldine on 4/3/15


I have no opinion about it, but I don't use it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/3/15


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