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How has God shown His love for Christians since 70 AD?

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Cluny ,...
We drew the sword 1914-1918 and 1939-1945 and saved us from being in slavery !
---1st_cliff on 4/23/15

Well said. If we were a nation of "cluny's" this country would/could not exist. Thank GOD all are not as fearful and confused in their identity as men. Fear & Confusion is his banner.
Jos_23:10 One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the LORD your God, he it is that fighteth for you, as he hath promised you.
Jos 23:16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, have gone and served other gods, bowed yourselves to them, then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.
---Trav on 4/24/15


Cluny, It's not a matter of believing Jesus or me !
It's a matter of discerning scripture. IE- There's no evidence that "ALL" who draw the sword die by it...so it has other meaning! more of a warning of violence begets violence!
Each and every word of scripture does not mean "exactly" what it says !
Needs interpretation !
---1st_cliff on 4/24/15


1stCliff, I can believe you or I can believe Jesus.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/23/15


Cluny , Mat.26.52 "All who draw the sword shall die by the sword" is a clich' thousands who have drawn the sword have not died by it !
We drew the sword 1914-1918 and 1939-1945 and saved us from being in slavery !
As Jesus said to Peter that He could have asked His Father for ten legions of angels if necessary, but He knew it was time for his death !
---1st_cliff on 4/23/15


\\Do you think that Peter carried his sword for decoration ?
Obviously not , as he took the guy's ear off with one swipe, when they were threatened !\\

And Jesus also said right after that, "Those who take up the sword shall die by the sword."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/23/15




Cluny, You would think that some one who walked 3 1/2 years with Christ would know how He thought about defence, huh?
Do you think that Peter carried his sword for decoration ?
Obviously not , as he took the guy's ear off with one swipe, when they were threatened !
Regardless of the conversation that followed, Peter may not have been the only one armed !
---1st_cliff on 4/22/15


\\We need by the Power of the Holy Spirit to be preaching the Gospel to the entire world. \\

Francis of Assisi said, "Preach the Gospel always. If necessary, use words."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/22/15


1st cliff I do not blame you.

But it seems many people today are not willing to stand for Christian principals and rights.

Also many today who call themsleves christian live like Pagans and do not know the Bible.

Others do not tell of Jesus or spread his word. When a Muslim asks them a question they do not know an answer.

We need by the Power of the Holy Spirit to be preaching the Gospel to the entire world.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/22/15


Samuelbb7, I guess the part that bothered me most was the inference that Christians should give up without a fight with the idea that "Oh well we're going to die anyway"
Maybe so ! but if it comes down to "him or me" it ain't going to be me without a scrap !
---1st_cliff on 4/22/15


\\As Gen Paton said "Americans are not a nation of cowards" (neither are we Canadians)\\

Patton was a pagan who believed in reincarnation. In fact, he was deluded into thinking he used to be Alexander the Great.

I'm not going to let him make spiritual decisions for me.

Jesus did say, "If they persecute you in one city, flee to another." But for some the time comes to resist evil by the shedding of their blood for Christ.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/22/15




Cliff I do not believe you understand the point of Cluny.

To a Christian to die for Jesus is a great and wonderful honor. Some in the past did seek to make it happen. But if we die fighting for Jesus in the way that Jesus teaches us then we Christian Martyrs.

I and others do not say try to be Martyred but until as Cluny points out Jesus Comes and takes us home. There will be Christians dying for Jesus.

Rock of Ages cleft for me.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/22/15


Cluny, This war is not like the political wars of yesterday, we are in a "Jehad" (holy war) why would we stand by and let the enemy decapitate us ?
As Gen Paton said "Americans are not a nation of cowards" (neither are we Canadians) If they are going to try to take our heads off they stand a good chance of loosing their own!
---1st_cliff on 4/21/15


\\Our warfare is both spiritual and physical !
---1st_cliff on 4/21/15\\

And it won't be over until the Parousia.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/21/15


Cluny, I don't know why exactly but reading your post reminded me of Gen George Patton and his speech to the troops that goes
"It's not the poor dumb bastard that dies for his country that wins wars, it's making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country that wins wars"
Our warfare is both spiritual and physical !
---1st_cliff on 4/21/15


No Trav, When Jesus was hanging on Calvary , He was not memorizing scripture for the purpose of full filling prophecy
His cry to His Father was "genuine" ...
---1st_cliff on 4/20/15

We've no argument between us. See it like you do.
Never said he was reciting, didn't mean to imply that.
I see that he fulfilled prophecy.
David seen the future event.
Christ is representative of David.
Fact. He was a tormented man dying.
Fact. He fulfilled Davids prophetic scriptures.
Fact. Under utmost physical pain fulfilling, to the very last breaths witnesses he was the Messiah.

Rom_1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh,
---Trav on 4/21/15


As long as Jesus tarries, death is inevitable and inexorable.

Is it such a horrible fate to be killed by the enemies of Christ because of your faith in Him?

Like the Coptic martyrs, I pray that howsoever I die, the most holy Name of Jesus will be on my lips.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/21/15


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No Trav, When Jesus was hanging on Calvary , He was not memorizing scripture for the purpose of full filling prophecy
His cry to His Father was "genuine" (it did full fill prophecy) anything else would have been play acting !
---1st_cliff on 4/20/15


Cluny : **Wake up** really ?
With the belief that Christians are benefited by martyrdom , using this same reasoning, aborted babies are sent straight to heaven by-passing this world's evil thus saving them....This kind of thinking is bogus !
I don't think you're using your whole brain but are swayed by emotion !
---1st_cliff on 4/20/15


Trav, **Can one appeal to God?,Did Christ?** Jesus cried out "Eli,Eli ,lama sabachthani" Psl.34.7"
Doesn't seem to apply 2015!
---1stcliff on 4/17/15

Cliff...had same questions in my head before.
Sheep living in Wolfville, are considered food. King David...acted crazy when living with the Philistines. Moses run from the Egyptians. What do you want, a free pass? GOD is righteous...always.
Christ statement is... for this reason. Psa_22:1 ...My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? ...
All Israel hearing these words then...and "now" has heard final confirmation that this is the "Messiah" prophecied.
---Trav on 4/20/15


\\Cluny, Another 12 Christians were beheaded today and 16 shot through the head in Libya by ISIL.
Do you still think they're doing Christians a favor Cluny ???
---1stcliff on 4/19/15
\\

Do you think this earthly life is all there is?

Yes, they are doing Christians a favor, especially American Christians.

Jesus Himself warned that this would be happening.

Wake up!

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/20/15


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Cluny, Another 12 Christians were beheaded today and 16 shot through the head in Libya by ISIL.
Do you still think they're doing Christians a favor Cluny ???
---1stcliff on 4/19/15


The 21 Coptic Martyrs WERE delivered from evil: from this sinful world into the Kingdom of Heaven where they wear beautiful necklaces before the Throne.

I often think that the wounds of the Martyrs and Confessors will be among the most glorious ornaments of heaven.

The mother of one of these martyrs said that she wishes she could kiss her son's murderer, because he sent her son straight to Jesus. She would also beg him to repent, convert from his wickedness, and turn to the Savior.

This, beloveds, is TRUE love and faith.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/18/15


\\No doubt some of the 21 Christians watching their fellow Christians be decapitated ,one by one ,cried out in the same panic, hoping against hope that God would "delivereth them-Psl.34.7"\\

This was hardly panic. According to the video of their martyrdom, they all died with the Name of Jesus on their lips.

May we all be given such grace in our final moment.

And "My God, my God...." are the opening verses of Psalm 22. In fact, you might want to compare that Psalm with St. Matthew's account of the Crucifixion.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 4/18/15


Trav, **Can one appeal to God?,Did Christ?** Jesus cried out "Eli,Eli ,lama sabachthani" The normal and natural thing to do when being tortured to death !
No doubt some of the 21 Christians watching their fellow Christians be decapitated ,one by one ,cried out in the same panic, hoping against hope that God would "delivereth them-Psl.34.7"
Doesn't seem to apply 2015!
I've heard many stories of "miracles" and just as many "fails". Some personal!
---1stcliff on 4/17/15


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Some get cancer, some don't still no "pattern"!
---1stcliff on 4/17/15

Pattern the woman with the issue of blood. Lazarus?. Lepers, blind, the lame. Pharisee's, Sadducee's. Sometimes it's "life" choices.
Same since Adam. Airplanes are of man's own creation. Choose to fly? Expect the plane and the pilot to fail eventually. They both degrade daily.
Can one appeal to GOD? Did Christ? Did the Apostles? Some choose their life pattern and end. Compare Jacob to: Gen_25:32 Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: what profit shall this birthright do to me?
See Herod for worms.

Psa_34:7 The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.
---Trav on 4/17/15


Trav Praise the Lord for protecting your daughter. Yes we could share our blessings and God's hand moving for us and our loved ones for hours and hours. I feel very humble when I think of all God has done,there isn't enough praise I can give Him for them. Glory to God. I've never seen my angel but my friend did and she said he is 12 feet tall.God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/17/15


Trav, I'm quite familiar of why Christ had to shed His blood !
Psl.34.7 did not apply to the 10 Apostles who were murdered,nor those on the Titanic,or World Trade Center,or flight 9525,etc..etc..ad infinitum.
Time and circumstance (in other words just plain luck)
Some get cancer, some don't still no "pattern"!
---1stcliff on 4/17/15


Why!
21
There doesn't seem to be a "pattern"! !
---1stcliff on 4/15/15

...You're asking, ask Christ.
Why did Christ die? GOD's son...Israels redeemer?
A garden seed, tree seed, has to die to become useful....
1Co 15:36 ...that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit ...
And yes...as a child playing outside our home, had an Angel or Christ? Appear in front of me. Scared me, I'm yelling for my mother...she opens the door..."he" disappeared. But... see him in my memory.
Psa_34:7 The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.
---Trav on 4/17/15


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Trav said, "1st of all we are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy. Democracy is not mentioned in our Constitution. Democracy being adverse and perverse to freedom. As you infer by the abomination in office now.
Man doesn't covenant blessings, GOD does"


Ooooo! You got me! (irony) However, democracy has nothing to do with the Democratic Party, which is what you infer.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/15/15


Trav, I'm happy that your daughter survived her accident.
Please don't take offence, but this haunts my mind with the question...Why!
21 Christian men had their heads removed for standing firm in their Christian beliefs!How many Christians died 9/11? How many German families prayed for the safe return of their children on flight 9525 ??
There doesn't seem to be a
"pattern"! Guardian angels...really? !
---1stcliff on 4/15/15


God has done so much for our family there isn't room to tell it. God is good. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/15/15

My 16 year old daughter as well in an incredible 90mph wreck. She lost control in a curve in the mountains. After rolling down a deep ditch ended up less than 1 foot away from a giant Oak tree. Roof was caved in. She crawled out with scratches.
We could trade stories I'm sure all day.
I've seen my Angel and he's from our GOD.
May YHWH keep a hedge around us.
Job_1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side?...
Mar_12:1 he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it,...
---Trav on 4/15/15


... That is just foolishness.
USA has received blessings from God because we have had wise leadership and a democratic form of government.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/15/15

1st of all we are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy. Democracy is not mentioned in our Constitution. Democracy being adverse and perverse to freedom. As you infer by the abomination in office now.
Man doesn't covenant blessings, GOD does.

There are over 40 scriptural marks and over 100 promised scriptural blessings in Health, wealth, water, land, crops, defeat of enemies, etc.
Read your Bible, instead of petting your tonsure.
#40. Isa 41:8-29 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
---Trav on 4/15/15


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I don't think we will see any Prophetess like Deborah leading in front of an Army fighting for God's people again. I think to understand we must look at how God shows His love constantly for His people by looking to what He does for a person on a daily basis. God has been with my close and extended family all of our lives and not just as soon as we accept him as Lord and Savior. Even before people are saved God is answering prayers from the Christians in the family for them. God has done so much for our family there isn't room to tell it. God protected my son years ago when a car hit him head on and totaled his pickup but he wasn't even hurt. God is good. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/15/15


You can't possibly think that the USA received all of the blessings promised ...
---Monk_Brendan on 4/15/15

Foolishness is opening your mouth without knowing your bible.
Since you flared your tonsure at me, show one blessing promised of GOD that we haven't and won't receive.
You actually displayed you aren't aware of any blessings promised. Not realizing they are in scripture.
Time for a lazy ole monk to start reading his bible. Be equal to the title you presume weed-hopper.

Yes, we have spurned our blessings. Presuming like you, not even realizing where blessings derive from.
We are losing some of them now for our blindness and acceptance of evil.
---Trav on 4/15/15


Trav said, "Take a visit to a GOD-less country. Travel through your computer.
Come back and kiss the ground of the USA.
All scriptural blessings promised Israel are fulfilled in us alone. All of them"


You can't possibly think that the USA received all of the blessings promised to Israel. That is just foolishness. USA has received blessings from God because we have had wise leadership and a democratic form of government. Take a look at how low we have become in the eyes of other nations under the current administration.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/15/15


He fought their wars, tended them nurtured them,...
Today...not a peep???
Are we less worthy ??
---1stcliff on 4/10/15

Not a peep??
Take a visit to a GOD-less country. Travel through your computer.
Come back and kiss the ground of the USA.
All scriptural blessings promised Israel are fulfilled in us alone. All of them.
Your own life was given to you today. You're taking your next breath for granted.
Go ask a vet or a mother if GOD ever listened. Ask me.
GOD delivered me more than I'll ever deserve.
I owe an un-payable debt.

What would you pay for your next breath? For tomorrow? For safety from global enemies?
What would your "Father" charge you?
---Trav on 4/15/15


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1st Cliff said, " It would be so convenient to believe that we'll "all gather at the river" holding hands and singing in the great beyond....but is that the Kingdom message ?"

Yes, Cliff, let's all get together and sing Kumbaya!

However, God has shown His love to me so many times during my life that I cannot count. First, though, he knit me together in my mother's womb.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/14/15


No Leon, I don't "work at it" It's staring me in the face every day. I just don't put my head in the sand and pretend nothing is happening !
It would be so convenient to believe that we'll "all gather at the river" holding hands and singing in the great beyond....but is that the Kingdom message ?
One doesn't have to be God to ask "where is the love today?" not 2,000 years ago !
What can you point to and say "see, there is how God is showing His love for Christians TODAY "?
---1stcliff on 4/12/15


Leon, So that's the message today? If you want to be a Christian, be prepared to be murdered with no help from God?
Just like the days when Christians had to hide in the catacombs of Rome !
Six million Jews were incinerated with no help from their God, same thing ?
---1stcliff on 4/11/15


Cliff: I think you work very hard at it & choose not to grasp the truth even though it's really so easy to understand. That's very sad. Who died & made YOU God? :/
---Leon on 4/12/15


Leon, So that's the message today? If you want to be a Christian, be prepared to be murdered with no help from God?
Just like the days when Christians had to hide in the catacombs of Rome !
Six million Jews were incinerated with no help from their God, same thing ?
---1stcliff on 4/11/15


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Cliff: "Not a peep"? Centuries before Jesus came to Earth, it was written (Is. 53) that He would come, suffer & die for our sin. That's exactly what happened. Jesus said believers (Christians) would be persecuted & slain, & that's what has & is happening. (Matt. 16:24-25)

NOT A PEEP Cliff?! The Bible speaks loud & clear.
---Leon on 4/11/15


Christianity is not about dying it's about living, not just in the "hereafter".
Who is the enemy?
From 1861 to 1865 Christians were killing Christians to the tune of more than 600,000 !
1st and 2nd world wars the German soldier had on his belt buckle "Gott mit uns" (God is with us)
God parted the Red Sea so the Hebrews could go safely away from the enemy.
He fought their wars, tended them nurtured them, it was not about dying , but living.
Today...not a peep???
Are we less worthy ??
---1stcliff on 4/10/15


...you cry out to God for help...no help comes !!!
Is this all the help a Christian can expect from God ??? 2015 ?
---1stcliff on 4/9/15

Expect what is proven by the fulfilled promises. Expect fulfillment of the warnings about the unexpected.
Unexpectedly GOD delivered me from the edge of death and disaster more than once. Didn't deserve it but, now see and acknowledge my great debt.

Luk_12:46-48...For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Apostles were killed for their faith. I'd like to prepare my mind and soul ahead and be ready for the inevitable. Death is inevitable, timing will for most never seem appropriate.
---Trav on 4/10/15


Paul says he would love to depart to be with Jesus. "Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you." (Philippians 1:24) So, if we as Christians die, we are being blessed to go on to better than being in this world. However, we need to stay here, in obedience > because here we can help others.

"For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15)

So, Jesus Himself has gone through things of this life, so now He as our Groom can feel for us and help us. And we can do this > go through things and minister to others how God's grace has taken care of us (c:
---Bill on 4/10/15


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We can expect GOD to be with us. And yes that He loves us is very important.

He gives hope and the knowledge that we can walk in his will. If we walk in the shadow of death we can know GOD is with us.

Today in many countries in the Middle East Christians are being murdered for being Christians. GOD is still with them. But He knows that following GOD will bring us eternal joy.

The way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/10/15


It's all well and good to imagine that faced with certain death at the hands of mad men, we would be so brave !

Put yourself in flight 9525 as it begins to plummet from 38,000 to the canyons of the French Alps at 400 plus MPH for 10 agonizing minutes, you cry out to God for help...no help comes !!!
Is this all the help a Christian can expect from God ??? 2015 ?
Just askin'
---1stcliff on 4/9/15


How has God shown His love for Christians since 70 AD?
---1stcliff on 4/7/15

If you live in a country that at least previously was Christian in belief, it is evident by fulfilled promises. Safety, wealth, food, water, health...freedom.
In the New Covenant Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31, GOD's oath of love declared (by him anyway) and fulfilled...again.
Shown in scriptures fulfilling: A few random verses of over 200. Gen 27:29, 28:14, 49, 25-26, Deu 8:7-9, Jer31:7, 2Sam 7:10, Isa 41:11-14. Num 24:8-9, Isa 15-17, Micah 5:8-9, Psa 72:4, Isa 42:7, 49:9, 58:6. etc, etc, etc.
Cliff: Look out your window the ordinances have not departed.
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, ...
---Trav on 4/9/15


When I was a child, in Sunday school,we sang "Jesus loves me this I know, for the bible tells me so..."
How relevant is this today?
---1stcliff on 4/8/15

More visibly relevant.
Your church preacher or teachers never knew of or explained or the Deu_10:15, "tells me so" scriptures to children because they couldn't. Never seeing, hearing or "asking" Christ for clarity. Rather choosing and obeying doctrines of men/women.
Ishmaels seed are never promised to see or be "sheep". Put christian "sheep" in their hands...get a Scriptural result. Gen_16:12 he will be a wild man, his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him, he shall dwell ...
---Trav on 4/9/15


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Jesus made it clear that He sends us as lambs among wolves. And Jesus says we will be hated and killed. So, we need to be ready to die well. And like Jesus be caring in prayer for others, while we suffer > "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34).

So, if someone was praying only for God to save herself, possibly that was not a truly Christian death. Stephen was not saying anything of pity for himself, while he was being stoned. But he asked Jesus to forgive them. Acts 7.

ISIS people can die a false martyrs death. So, humans can think they are martyrs when they aren't. So, ones can think they are Christians and martyrs, but not be. Say-so does not make it so.
---Bill on 4/9/15


\\At one point three girls were forced to kneel before one of the militants as he mused who to execute...one of the girls cried out "Jesus save me" and he shot all three!
Isn't there something wrong with this picture ????\\

Not really, Jesus warned us that this would happen. "Whoever kills you will think he does service to God."

This precious child martyr died with the name of Jesus on her lips, just like the 21 Coptic Orthodox New Martyrs.

May we all have such faith in the last moment of our lives, however our end comes.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/9/15


Cliff: For Christians it's very relevant. Does not the Bible say God's infinite ways are not our ways, are higher than our ways & surpasses our finite understanding. Sounds like you're trying to unscrew the inscrutable wisdom of God. Faith Cliff, faith!!!
---Leon on 4/8/15


When I was a child, in Sunday school,we sang "Jesus loves me this I know, for the bible tells me so..."
How relevant is this today?
When Al Shabaab militants stormed the university in Garissa Kenya, selectively killing Christians and letting Muslims go free.
At one point three girls were forced to kneel before one of the militants as he mused who to execute...one of the girls cried out "Jesus save me" and he shot all three!
Isn't there something wrong with this picture ????
---1stcliff on 4/8/15


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Cliff: Jesus had to die on the cross for the sins of the world. Persecuted Christians have died & are yet dying for "Jesus's sake" (in the name of Jesus)!

"Then Jesus said to His disciples, 'If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross [instrument of death] and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.'"(Matt. 16:24-25)

Today, who do you think is better off: 1.) Murdered Christians who are heaven bound or already in heaven OR 2.) Their murderers who are already in or on their way to hell?
---Leon on 4/8/15


From 70 AD to 325 , more than 200 years, Christians were hauled off to the Roman arena for the entertainment of Caesar and company.
Whole families , mom,dad and kids, given a head start, then the lions were loosed to chase them down, Dad making a valiant attempt to save his family, to no avail. The people cheered as the animals bit into their flesh....No doubt they prayed for God's mercy, but no help came...Heb 13.5 "God has said "Never will I leave you. never will I forsake you" ????
---1stcliff on 4/8/15


No pain, no gain (growth) Cliff! In all Christian lives, past & present, GOD always makes a way of escape & provides a hedge of protection for the Church against fascist religious zealots who, if possible, would "utterly destroy" the Church. Being persecuted tries (tests) one's faith. It's good to know what you're made of & experience your growth in the strength & power of the Lord.

Since 70 AD, facist religionist have feared Christianity. They hate Truth & Light that exposes their falsity. If it weren't for that, they'd likely leave Christians alone because we'd then be just like them.

GOD LOVES CHRISTIANS & ALL OTHERS in the world who're oppressively ruled by the dictator, Satan.
---Leon on 4/7/15


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