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What Does War Look Like

What would the world be like if the USA sat back and let age old enemies, in Eastern nations, the opportunity to destroy one another?

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Well said Steveng!!!
---Leon on 4/27/15


Every war the USA has been involved in since World War 2 has been a disaster. Our participation was unnecessary and fueled by people who would make a big profit from war. That's the truth, and that's all there is to it.
---learner2 on 4/26/15


Steveng:

Even if nobody else intervened to take it out, communism would have eventually fallen under its own weight. The whole reason communism took over Russia to begin with, was that the Tsarist regime was economically bankrupt. Communism had a few decades of life, but its economic methodologies were equally unsustainable, and when it was totally unable to feeds its own people, it would have itself fallen in another Bolshevik-like revolution. Empires that don't work always eventually crumble.
---StrongAxe on 4/26/15


The USA could not sit back. Ultimately we would be at war. In the early and mid twentieth century we were fighting communism. If we sat back, all the countires would fall to communism leaving the last country, the USA, to defend itself from the whole world.

Although God has ultimate control, he is allowing Satan to be the god of this world. Satan is hell bent on destroying God's creation all the way unto the end when God intervenes.

Besides, the USA has its own "wars" going on within what with gangs, racism, police brutality, crime, class warfare, ISIS just over the border of Texas, etc. Satan surely has a tight grip on the world.
---Steveng on 4/26/15


Leon:

You said: Axe: Fact, the Middle East is an ancient hell hole

This has never been in doubt. Any reading of the prophetic books will confirm this. (For example, after a great war, there will be groups looking for piles of dead bodies, and marking them for subsequent collection by others - something consistent with nuclear, chemical, or biological disasters).

I was just showing how one can win a war and still come out worse than before.
---StrongAxe on 4/25/15




'Axe: Fact, the Middle East is an ancient hell hole. It's been a family squabble, of dysfunctional, insanely violent, sinful people for thousands of years. We're the targeted superpower suckers who've jumped in between & tried to stop the heathen brawls & we've had hell to pay ever since. Our intervention has caused a dire economic impact (strain) upon our nation.

IMHO, the Mid-East leaders have intentionally baited us into their ungodly melee & trap, 1st by Hussein's alleged attempted oil grab & the genocide of his own people. Then came bin Laden's strategic & timely strike on the NY Twin Towers. I think, overall, it's a strategy to weaken us to the breaking point & then destroy us.
---Leon on 4/24/15


Leon:

You asked: That's an interesting statement L2. How can you screw up a war short of losing it?

It's easy, if you ally with the wrong side and help them win it, leaving the situation worse off than before.

Look at Iraq today. The US didn't lose the war there, but they left a power vacuum that allowed ISIS to form, leaving the region much worse off than it ever was even under Saddam Hussein.
---StrongAxe on 4/22/15


Trav, why do you love the bellicose and homicidal passages of the OT so much?
---Cluny on 4/21/15

Why do you fear all scripture? Scripture that established and defines truth.
You start a altercation on every post even about singing...then run with scripture chasing you all the way.
I think you like being chased. You are lonely and you see posted truth you never hear.
Why are you effeminately opposed to scriptures of truth?
You're finally coming out into the light.

Psa_119:157 Many are my persecutors and mine enemies, yet do I not decline from thy testimonies.
---Trav on 4/22/15


Cluny - Why love the bellicose

Spiritual war is though out the Bible, and physical, and the result of this war is already Known, Christ wins.

1 Corinthians 15:57 - But thanks' be to God which giveth us victory through Lord Jesus Christ,

Matthew 15:57 - Think not that I am come to send peace on earth, I came not to send peace but a sword,
---RichardC on 4/22/15


Trav, why do you love the bellicose and homicidal passages of the OT so much?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/21/15




Exodus 15:3 - The Lord is a man of war : Lord is his Name,
Lord of Hosts - 261 in OT - armies of heaven ----- Check in to It
---RichardC on 4/20/15

Good stuff RichardC. Found others immediately.

Jer 51:19 The portion of Jacob is not like them, for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name.

Jer 51:20 Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms,
---Trav on 4/21/15


Very good RichardC. The problem with the USA sitting back & doing nothing is that there are elements of evil in the middle-East that are bent on not only destroying people they hate in their region, but are likewise determined to conquer & destroy EVERYONE ELSE who isn't in agreement with their false religious doctrines. There's the rub! They would have the whole world worship & serve Satan (the god of this world) instead of the true & living Jehovah God. Since the USA is in the world, we have no other choice other than actively engage in the age-old calamity as it is written in the Bible. Only the return of Jesus Christ is going to stop the madness.
---Leon on 4/21/15


Exodus 15:3 - The Lord is a man of war : Lord is his Name, ( commentaries on this have it as a reference to Christ )

Lord of Hosts - 261 in OT - armies of heaven ----- Check in to It

Revelation 19:11 - And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse: and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war,
---RichardC on 4/20/15


//Leon, do you think Jesus meant that war was a good thing by that statement? Did he not also say, he who lives by the sword will die by the sword?

Do you think war is a good thing? Did Jesus die so that we could continue to have wars?
---learner2 on 4/17/15//

L2: Let's not get irrational, go to war & fire a barrage of non-applicable, bomb questions at me. I suggested no such things like you've imagined & you know it.

You need to focus on what Jesus said, not rest your case on your opinions. Jesus said there will be wars & talk of impending wars. That's the fact of the matter & where the focus should be.
---Leon on 4/18/15


Leon, do you think Jesus meant that war was a good thing by that statement? Did he not also say, he who lives by the sword will die by the sword?

Do you think war is a good thing? Did Jesus die so that we could continue to have wars?
---learner2 on 4/17/15


//It seems that whenever Americans want to justify war, they appeal to the Old Testament rather than to what Jesus taught.
---learner2 on 4/17/15//

L2: How do you explain what Jesus said in Matthew 24:6 (the New Testament)?

"You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come."
---Leon on 4/17/15


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It seems that whenever Americans want to justify war, they appeal to the Old Testament rather than to what Jesus taught.
---learner2 on 4/17/15


if so USA really trusted in God, it would be in no danger. But it doesn't, so it depends on war.
---learner2 on 4/16/15

Has the U.S. ever been attacked? If it was you'd want a gun ASAP. Too late then.
King David, man after GOD's own heart used an ancient rifle. The sling. GOD helped the boy out.
Apostles and Peter carried swords while they were with Christ. Christ never told him to throw those nasty old swords away.
Luk_22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Lev_26:7 And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.
---Trav on 4/17/15


if so USA really trusted in God, it would be in no danger. But it doesn't, so it depends on war.
---learner2 on 4/16/15


War looks like hell on earth. If the USA sat back and remains silent it will be the first place attacked after Israel. In my heart I want to say stop laying our men and women service members on the altar of death. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/16/15


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Leon, whatever..
---learner2 on 4/16/15


L2: Obviously, you haven't read Revelation 12:7.
---Leon on 4/16/15


Leon, no one wins wars.

Jesus would not approve.
---learner2 on 4/15/15


Bill:

You wrote: If God really considers the unborn to be people, then I would say it is an act of terrorism to attack an kill and unborn person.

There has been too much confusion between murder and terrorism lately.

The purpose of terrorism is to fill people's hearts with fear for their own safety. As much as one may hate abortion, it does not do this.

The mother of the Tsarnaev brothers accused the U.S. of being terrorists, which is absurd. Her sons blew up a marathon - an act of terrorism. The government put one of them on trial. This is justice, not terrorism. Terrorism would have been rounding up some "usual suspects" and shooting them all - something not done here, but commonly done by ISIS.
---StrongAxe on 4/15/15


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Leon, nobody won...
---learner2 on 4/15/15


That's not true L2. The coalition forces (including the US & UK) won the war against Iraq. They used their overwhelming air support and technology to pummel the Iraqi army for weeks leading up to the actual ground operations in Kuwait.

Remember the Gulf War was about Kuwaiti oil being kept out of the hands of Iraq. That mission objective was accomplished.
---Leon on 4/15/15


Bill said, "If God really considers the unborn to be people, then I would say it is an act of terrorism to attack an kill and unborn person. So, if abortion is such terrorism, then the U.S. might be worse than Islamic terrorists. Jesus "might" say let the one without sin cast the first stone."

Bravo, Bill!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/15/15


...the United States has not won even one war it has been involved in since World War 2...
---learner2 on 4/14/15

L2: Who won the Gulf War (Operation Desert Storm)?
---Leon on 4/15/15

We didn't lose.
We've never lost by sheer numbers of non Christian enemies slain.
Scriptural. Lev_26:8-46 five of you shall chase an hundred, an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.

The Revolutionary and Civil war being the wars where a close percentage were lost on each side.
There were more American deaths in civil war than in all other USA Wars combined.
---Trav on 4/15/15


Leon, nobody won, and Iraq is in a worse mess than before.
---learner2 on 4/15/15


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...the United States has not won even one war it has been involved in since World War 2...
---learner2 on 4/14/15


L2: Who won the Gulf War (Operation Desert Storm)?
---Leon on 4/15/15


Bill:

You said: If the U.S. stayed out of things of other countries, God is in control. He would manage what would happen, and He would have Christians make good use of any situation.

Just like God "managed what would happen" during World War II - with Hitler coming to power (by divine approval no doubt - if you believe in the Divine Right of Kings), and the conquering almost all of Europe. America stayed out of that war, and just see where it led. It only got involved when its feathers got ruffled at Pearl Harbor. Then, all the gloves came off.
---StrongAxe on 4/14/15


Leon, the United States has not won even one war it has been involved in since World War 2.

We lost three or four thousand innocent people on 9/11 but in exchange we have killed over 100,000 innocent people. it's an awful thing, war.

Jesus would not approve.
---learner2 on 4/14/15


The USA has screwed up every war since World War 2. It is better that we not interfere.
---learner2 on 4/13/15


That's an interesting statement L2. How can you screw up a war short of losing it?
---Leon on 4/14/15


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The USA has screwed up every war since World War 2. It is better that we not interfere.
---learner2 on 4/13/15


If the U.S. stayed out of things of other countries, God is in control. He would manage what would happen, and He would have Christians make good use of any situation.

If God really considers the unborn to be people, then I would say it is an act of terrorism to attack an kill and unborn person. So, if abortion is such terrorism, then the U.S. might be worse than Islamic terrorists. Jesus "might" say let the one without sin cast the first stone.

And a country with no character for taking care of her own unborn can not have the character to do what is right with other nations. Possibly, the overthrow of Saddam made it possible for ISIS to get into power. So, a wrong nation might only make things worse.
---Bill on 4/9/15


Cliff: I wonder, would Iran be so boastful about destroying Israel if the U.S. let go of Israel's leash? Would the Sunni & Shiite Muslims ultimately send each other off to a firey final reward...?

Regarding 911, etc., the Western/free world needs to do a better job at repelling the border penetration of foreign terrorist & expelling the homegrown variety.
---Leon on 4/8/15


Leon, While US sat back enjoying freedom at the time the "Eastern nations" were killing each other.....bam..9/11 they brought the war here.
We don't have a choice !
---1stcliff on 4/7/15


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Moderator: Probably a better title would've been, "What does total war look like".
---Leon on 4/7/15


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