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Jesus Breaks The Sabbath

If Sunday is the Lord's Day, don't you think it odd that neither Paul nor any other Apostle made mention of anything special about Sunday, yet faithfully kept the 7th day Sabbath?

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The Cannon of books (BIBLE) were placed together in the 5th Century, not 16th century.
The Bible didn't fall from heaven. The Church DECIDED which books would be in the Bible you have today, 73 books. 16th Century is when 7 books was removed from the OT.

Everyone please think about this question.

If the Bible was so important and the only Authority why did Jesus didn't hand the Bible to us?

No Jesus started a Church before He Ascended to Heaven.

Jerry, I did address the Blog. Peter who has the keys to the Kingdom, started our (Christians)Sabbath on Sunday because Jesus rose on Sunday as stated in all 4 Gospels.

Jesus started the Church! Bible came as the result of the Church which was Authored by the Church.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/1/15


the cannon was recognized not set by this time.

During the first Century the apostles and there disciples knew and understood the books of the bible.

I have really enjoyed this dialog with everyone. I am new to this blog.

a good book to read on this topic of the cannon is Cannon Revisited by Michael Kruger

May Yahweh guide each one to his truth,

John
---john9346 on 6/1/15


Thank you StrongAx.

The Canon was set in the 300 to the 400's. Which is still before the Pope split with the Orthodox.
Nicole-Lacey
Yes now they are somewhat okay and share a number of points.

Correct they both consider protestants to be out of favor. But then we consider both to have stopped following the Bible and set up men's tradition above scripture. On the other site I showed the primacy of Scripture. Above the councils of men.

We did not stop following Jesus Christ. We choose to follow Him and the words of his Apostles who wrote the New Testament.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/1/15


Nicole: Would you please address the blog question? The only priest I need is in heaven.
---jerry6593 on 6/1/15


Nicole,

1. The council of trent was in 1546 not the Fifth Century.

2. It is important to understand the Hebrew Calendar 3 in the afternoon on Friday to sunday is not 3 days in Jewish Culture of time and days even historians, scholars, and archeaologist will confirm this to be a fact of historicity.
---john9346 on 5/31/15




Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Samuel, please don't use the Wikipedia or the History Channel as you sources.
Anyone can submit information in Wikipedia. ANYONE.


The nice thing about Wikipedia is that their policies forbid adding any original research. All information there MUST come from secondary sources, which are referenced in the footnotes. If you aren't sure about what they say, check out those sources. This is totally in accord with the Biblical standard that all truth is established by 2-3 witnesses. The don't witness, but point to those who do.

An independent study several years ago showed that, on average, the accuracy of information in Wikipedia and Brittanica were about the same.
---StrongAxe on 5/31/15


Samuel, please don't use the Wikipedia or the History Channel as you sources.
Anyone can submit information in Wikipedia. ANYONE.
History Channel is ran by those who love to confuse people like you.

Cluny and I know history very well. The RCC recognizes the Orthodox Church because they have a VALID PRIESTHOOD.
To have a Church you must have valid Priests.

Our disagreement is Peter.
But, trust me, the Orthodox people believe Protestants went too far in giving up the Priests.

No Priests=No Eucharist.

Exodus 12
John 6
Jesus wasn't speaking in symbols. He is SERIOUS!

Don't behave like those in John 6:66
Notice the numbers please and reread the ch and verse.

Pray for wisdom
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/31/15


If some studies TRUE history hard enough they end up becoming Catholic.'
Kicking and screaming but obeys God at the end and enters the Catholic Church because they realize Jesus started the RCC HIMSELF.
Nicole_Lacey

Since the RCC did not exist in the year 300 that is impossible.

True History shows that the church did not split into two the Orthodox and RCC in 1054.

The Pope did not lead the church did not even claim to be given the keys of Peter until around 600 AD. Pope Gregory did not lead the whole church but was in charge in the west only. Other Bishops were his equal.

Ask Cluny for more information. He is an Orthodox Christian.

Please read real history.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/31/15


Nicole Go to wikipedia and RCC sites.

In the Second Vatican Councils document on divine revelation, Dei Verbum (Latin: "The Word of God"), the relationship between Tradition and Scripture is explained: "Hence there exists a close connection and communication between sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture. For both of them, flowing from the same divine wellspring, in a certain way merge into a unity and tend toward the same end. For sacred Scripture is the word of God inasmuch as it is consigned to writing under the inspiration of the divine Spirit. To the successors of the apostles, sacred Tradition hands on in its full purity Gods word, which was entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/31/15


Nicole: "John and Jerry you both can't change history just because you hate what happened."

What are you talking about? What history?


Would you and Cluny get back on topic please? Try to answer the blog question.


---jerry6593 on 5/31/15




\\2nd edition until now you only have 66 books. \\

Actually, Nicole, it's illegal to publish a KJV without the Aposcrypha in the UK, as it's still under crown copyright, and the C of E uses the Apocrypha liturgically.

All official versions of it, up through the final British recension of 1769 contained it.

I won't have a mutilated KJV with a big hole in it in my house. You can find KJV's with the Apocrypha in the USA published by Cambridge or Oxford.

The ABS did a complete KJV normalized according to American spellings in 1904.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/15


John and Jerry you both can't change history just because you hate what happened.

The RCC did chose which Books in the Bible in the 5th century. 73 books.
In fact the 1st edition of the King James Bible had 73 books.
2nd edition until now you only have 66 books.

Martin Luther was a Roman Catholic PRIEST.
Guess up?
He had a 73 book Bible because he was a Roman Catholic Priest.

There is a saying that is true.
'If some studies TRUE history hard enough they end up becoming Catholic.'
Kicking and screaming but obeys God at the end and enters the Catholic Church because they realize Jesus started the RCC HIMSELF.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/30/15


There is no way catholic bishops decided the books of the New Testament simply because roman Catholicism didn't even exist until about the sixth or seventh century.

Remember it wasn't until 1546 at the counsel of trent that roman Catholicism decided what they thought was scripture.

It was done in response to the Reformation.

roman Catholicism developed over time.
---john9346 on 5/29/15


I resent the deceptive title change by the CN Mods. This blog is about the true Seventh-day Sabbath of the Bible as the Lord's Day and not about Jesus' having broken it.

Neither Jesus nor His disciples ever broke the Sabbath. They broke the man-made traditions of the "church" leaders. Sunday sacredness is also a man-made tradition.

Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.


---jerry6593 on 5/30/15


Samuel, I believe you are mistaken about all the Apostles were alive when the books of the Bible were written.

James died first and soon. John died last on an island after writing Revelation.
Traditions tells us that John was an old man on the island.
John was in his last teen when he followed Jesus.

To John not the apostle but the blogger. The Bible states Jesus rose on Sunday because Jesus he would rise after 3 days. Not complete days but of the days (I believe hotels copied their days after Jesus. In at 3pm and out by 11am = one day.)

Jesus died on Friday because remember Joseph asked for His body so they could bury Him BEFORE the Sabbath.
Saturday is the Sabbath but we celebrate it on the 1st day Sunday.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/30/15


Samuel, Cluny is correct. the bishops of the one universal church made the decision. I'm okay with that
---learner2 on 5/29/15


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Nicole and Samuel:

1. Yes, the bible does mention the First Day of the week in the Gospels,however, what I am pointing out is that it does not say that Jesus rose on the First Day.

2. The angels said "He has risen." not he just risen. It was pass tense.

3. Jesus did not die on a friday at 3:00 according to the Hebrew Calendar of when a day starts and end. Remember a day starts at sun down not at 3:00 in the afternoon

4. The Sabbath is for everyone not just Jews see Isaiah 66:23, Exodus 16, Genesis 2:1-3, and Mark 2:27-28.

5. Saturday is the Sabbath (Seventh Day of the week)
If you look at the dictionary in various languages you will find this to be true.
---john9346 on 5/29/15


It was ultimately Catholic bishops who decided on the books. Just saying...
---learner2

Only if you use catholic as in universal church. Since the current RCC did not split off until 1054 AD.

As Cluny will confirm the Orthodox and RCC were still one church at that time. Also as you can point out from history that their leadership organization were very different then today.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/29/15


John9346, Please tell me which day of the week is the 1st day according to you?

The Jewish people always claim Saturday as the last day of the week.

So, please pay attention.
Saturday is the last day for Jewish people and God rested on a Saturday (Sabbath).

What day is the 1st if Saturday is the last day for Jews?

I gave the Scriptures stating Jesus ROSE on the 1ST day of the WEEK.

Please tell me in your opinion which day of the week is the 1st day?
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/29/15


It was ultimately Catholic bishops who decided on the books. Just saying...
---learner2 on 5/29/15


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John Matthew 28 says about the appearance on the first day. Verse 1

Luke 24:1 First day then they found the tomb empty.

Lerner It was a Convention of Bishops and Scholars who worked on deciding which books that claimed to be part of the Bible mostly the New Testament should be included. For instance all the books had to be written while the Apostles were alive. There had been many false books circulated.

They also went by the Early Church fathers who had already started lists of correct Bible.

Sabbath (Saturday) is the Lord's day. We do not need to change history to see that truth.

Even in 300 AD many Christians were still keeping Sabbath. The church in many places had services both days.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/29/15


what do you mean that bishops decided what books would appear in the New Testament?
---john9346 on 5/28/15


Remember that it was Sunday-observing bishops who decided which books should appear in the New Testament.
---learner2 on 5/28/15


Please pay attention to the following:

1. You only reference Mark 16:1, but if you read the rest of the versse it does not say Jesus rose on Sunday see verse 6.

2. Remember Mark 16 stops at verse 8 not 20 in the Original Greek Manuscripts.

3. Matthew 28:1-6 does not say Jesus rose on Sunday see verse 6

4. Luke 24:1-6 does not say Jesus rose on Sunday see verse 6.

5. John 20 does not say Jesus rose on Sunday.

6. Church Fathers such as Justin Martyr taught sunday sabbath as well as Constanteen made sunday the sabbath by edict.
---john9346 on 5/28/15


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Sunday was invented as a tradition not found in scripture. Because we don't know when Jesus rose.---John9346 on 5/27/15

Sorry, but you must not have read all the verses in the Gospels.
Bible states he rose on the 1st day which is Sunday.
You can deduce His risen day by reading the Gospel.

Matthew 28:1 Now after the Sabbath,(Saturday) toward the dawn of the first day (Sunday) of the week,...

Mark 15:42...that is, the day before the Sabbath, (Friday -the day Jesus died)
ch16 When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magalene...(Sunday)

Luke 24:1 But on the first day of the week,..(Sunday)

John 20:1 Now on the first day of the week,...(Sunday)

How many clues do you need to see that Jesus rose on a Sunday?
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/28/15


Hello John I too keep the Seventh day Sabbath.

Mark 16:9
Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Yes Jesus rose on the first day of the week which is named by the Romans after the Sun or Sunday.

You are correct about Paul also for awhile the Apostles broke bread daily. Acts 2:46
You are also correct about the antisemitism.

Why did the writers of the New Testament call the Seventh day Sabbath if it was no longer the Sabbath?

On Christ the solid rock I stand.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/28/15


My point exact the bible does not say that Jesus rose from the dead on Sunday.

Sunday worship is a tradition made up by man. You see, whatever we hold to be true that is not found in scripture is a tradition.

Paul breaking bread on the First Day of the week in no means say that he was establishing sunday as the Sabbath,furthermore, making sunday as the Sabbath grew out of Antisemitism and not Holy Scripture (the bible)

If we are going to replace the Sabbath which is God's Perfect Institution, why not replace marriage because marriage and the Sabbath were the 2 Perfect Institutions that existed before the Fall of Man in the garden.
---John on 5/28/15


The Apostles (Paul is an Apostle) kept the Jewish tradition of the Sabbath, but broke bread on Sunday.

The Church doesn't say that Saturday isn't the true Sabbath.
But since Jesus rose on a Sunday the 1st day so we (Christians) cerebrate Sunday as the Sabbath because Jesus won the Victory on the 1st day.

Plus, it help all to remember to start your week with Jesus because He is first in our times in EVERYTHING including WORSHIP.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/28/15


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Greetings,

I like your points.

There are Several Things that are always over looked on this topic:

1. The Sabbath was given before the fall, during perfection Genesis 2:1-3.

2. The Sabbath was celebrated before the giving of the law at Mount Sinai.

3. Sunday was invented as a tradition not found in scripture.
Because we don't know when Jesus rose.

4. You don't need to keep the Sabbath to be saved, but to be sanctified.

5. Jesus and his apostles all kept the Sabbath on Saturday not on Sunday
---John9346 on 5/27/15


Jerry Rod4him.

Great points thank you.

Rock of Ages cleft for me. Let me hide myself in thee.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/22/15


//...Jesus also said that the Scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses's seat,//

This should most likely be understood that ""when" they sit in Moses's seat," that being an official seat in a synagogue, and they would have been quoting Moses. That would not refer to the "leaven" of the Pharisees.

Yeshua also said, "Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees."
---Rod4Him on 4/21/15


Cluny: "Actually, Jesus also said that the Scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses's seat, and people should do what they teach."

Yup. He also said:

Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
Joh 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?


Note that Jesus commanded adherence to the writings of Moses - not those of the "church fathers". Why do conform to "church fathers" rather than to the writings of Moses (as in Exo 20)?


You are not one of those who wants to be like the Most High and make things holy on his own, are you?


---jerry6593 on 4/21/15


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You are mostly correct Michaele. All but one of the Sabbaths were only prophetic.

There are a number of churches that have studies on this. But the Seventh day Sabbath is set in Remembrance of Creation.

It also had a different setting. It is the Fourth of the Ten Commandments. You find that for many down through history it is a Moral Commandment. They just thought it was on Sunday.

In Hebrews it has a new significance. It is to remind us of Heaven and that we are not working to be saved. But resting in Jesus.

Think about it. Pray about it. Study the Bible.

The way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/21/15


The sabbath days were holy days, apparently Paul says I don't need holy days in this dispensation. Col 2:16
The sabbath was a prophetic picture from the foundation of the world about the future of Gods dominion on the Earth through Israel.
When God was creating man on the earth, he hallowed the last day as a day of rest just as later happened after another man, the Messiah, came to have dominion on the earth.
It pictured the time when Israel would stop working and their covenant promises would be complete. Peter and the covenant people of God are still waiting for this time of rest. Heb 4:9-10
---michael_e on 4/20/15


Yes I knew that. We were studying about those verses at church.

Mat 23:2,3
Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do, but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

You should read the rest.

Latter in History the people had to decide to listen to their traditions and stay in Judaism or follow Jesus in the way. Those who followed Scripture became Christians.

Act 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/20/15


\\So Cluny we agree there. \\

But jerry doesn't seem to.

Actually, Jesus also said that the Scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses's seat, and people should do what they teach.

Did you know that?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/20/15


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Yes the Church Fathers with guidance from Scholars and the writings of the Early Church Fathers did decide what the Canon of the Bible is.

So Cluny we agree there. But since the Scriptures teach by the Words of Jesus that we should follow Scripture above the Traditions of men. We should do what Jesus said.

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

All doctrines must agree with the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/20/15


One of the traditions that the Church Fathers came up with was deciding what should be in the very Bible to which you appeal, jerry.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/20/15


Candice: Well said!



Cluny: "But they are the next layer of the Living Stones of the Church."

Only for you Catholic types. For the rest of us:

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


---jerry6593 on 4/19/15


\\They [the Church Fathers] are not the foundation of the Church of Christ.\\

But they are the next layer of the Living Stones of the Church.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 4/18/15


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For me I keep the Sabbath as a day of Rest & reflecting in Gods word whether reading scriptures or praying with him, then on Sundays I fellowship with others because as the disciples did when Jesus resurrected, they met on the 1rst day of the week. They also continued to do so after he ascended. Jesus is our rest, we rest in him, but even since the beginning his father rested on the 7th day from everything, so do I.
---Candice on 4/17/15


Lee of many names: Where have you been, ol' buddy?

"Lord's day has always been viewed as Sunday by the early church fathers."

So what? They are not the foundation of the Church of Christ. Show me from the Bible and not some mere man where God's handwritten Commandment was made void.


Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


---jerry6593 on 4/18/15


Christians in some areas meet for small meetings on Sunday before going to work. But those who were not slaves kept Sabbath in their house churches. Which is one of the reasons that them keeping Sabbath was outlawed in the fourth Century.

Bill the meeting in Acts 20:7 is till midnight of the First day after Sabbath. Which is Saturday night. Jew's days in the Bible are from Sunset to Sunset. So on Sunday Morning Paul left to take a journes.

Nowhere is this meeting called standard or said to be followed.

No place do we have in the Bible where the first day is called anything but just another day. Unlike Sabbath which is a designation of the Holy Day of worship.

The way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/18/15


\\The Sabbath was kept for over three hundred years by many Christians.\\

However, before the Christians were all expelled from the Synagogues by 125, before the end of the 1st Century they were meeting in the wee hours of the morning of Sunday to celebrate the Eucharist.

This is seen in Justin Martyr's Apology.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 4/17/15


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The Bible does say the apostles went to synagogue, on the Sabbath. They used synagogue Sabbath for reaching to Jews.

Paul does say, in 1 Corinthians 9:20, "to the Jew I became as a Jew". Then > "I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some." (Corinthians 9:22) So, I consider that he went to Sabbath worship, in order to reach Jews at their level.

Also, we have how Christians met "on the first day of the week", in Acts 20:7. So, possibly after they did Sabbath outreach, they had their own "real" worship, on "the first day of the week", with each other.
---Bill on 4/17/15


Actually Micha there has been a lot of comments lately on how they have improved their accuracy.

But you can go there and read some even if you take the information with a grain of Salt. It has more information then most people know from history. It is also free.

The way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/17/15


/Look up Sabbath on Wikipedia.\-Samuelbb7 on 4/16/15
Citing Wikipedia has never been valid.
Wikipedia, though informative for both truth and lies, is not a trustworthy source.
Try citing Wikipedia on a published paper or scholastic homework.
---micha9344 on 4/17/15


Good point Mark Eaton. We should be waliking in Jesus with our eyes on Him.

Cluny James quotes from the Ten Commandments not ceremonial laws. Have you become a Dispansationalist? That is their doctrine. What I research online says the Orthodox believe in keeping the Ten Commandments.

Hello LeeJ. So I have heard. But when I went to look up and read what scholars have said. The Sabbath was kept for over three hundred years by many Christians. Look up Sabbath on Wikipedia. Then look up Lord's day. So then you will have read both sides.

The New Testament never speaks of keeping any day but the Seventh day Sabbath.

The way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/16/15


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So where does the Bible teach we are to live in sin because we are saved?
---Samuelbb7 on 4/15/15

Let's see what Paul said about your question?

Rom 6:1-2 "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it"

So, the issue is not sin, but that we have died to sin and are to walk in newness of life.

Before we were crucified with Christ, we were slaves to sin and had no power over it.

Now that we are dead to it, we are to walk in newness of life.

Not walking as if we may sin at any time, but in a completely new way. Focusing on loving God and loving others.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/16/15


Jerry crowed "If Sunday is the Lord's Day, don't you think it odd that neither Paul nor any other Apostle made mention of anything special about Sunday, yet faithfully kept the 7th day Sabbath?"

Even a novice of church history can tell you with documentation that the Lord's day has always been viewed as Sunday by the early church fathers.
Yes, Paul obeyed the Sabbath in an attempt to win others to Christ. Read 1 Cor. 9:20f
---Leej on 4/16/15


Samuel, the Bible itself knows only ONE law: The Law.

It's all of a piece. James mentions that to offend in ONE part (such as ceremonial laws) is to break the whole Law.

Now, either Christ has fulfilled ALL of the Law for us, or He has not, and we are still in our sins.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/16/15


I have had disagreements with other SDA also.

The Torah or the laws of the Old testament have been held by Bible Commentators from the early church before the Schism to have different parts. It has been refined through the ages to our view.

The Torah law consists of four sections
Ceremonial law. Instructive not binding.

Goverment law.

Moral law based in the Ten Commandments and laws that refer to them.

Health laws such as wash your hands before eating and do not use the river as a sewer.

To break the moral laws is a sin.

The problem Cluny is you have no Biblical basis for not following the Example of Jesus in keeping the fourth Commandment. 2tim3:16

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/16/15


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I've mentioned many laws of the OT in the past, but I've been told by some SDAs here, including Francis (remember him?) that since they are not in the Decalogue, they don't count.

Well, if what's not in the Decalogue doesn't count, then the convocation on the Sabbaths in festal periods don't count, either.

Be consistent.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/16/15


Cluny: Now will you answer the question?


If Sunday is the Lord's Day, don't you think it odd that neither Paul nor any other Apostle made mention of anything special about Sunday, yet faithfully kept the 7th day Sabbath?



---jerry6593 on 4/16/15


When we believe in Jesus we can rest in the fact that Jesus kept the law and that His obedience is now imputed to us. We get righteousness as a result of His obedience to the Law, not our own obedience. Mark_Eaton

Agreed. This is true. But that does not mean we are to live in sin. See Romans 6. Fist John.

What is the purpose of the law for us since we cannot become righteous by the law?

It is to define what is a sin. First John 3.

So mark where does the Bible teach we are to live in sin because we are saved? The above Bible verse say the opposite. Becasue we are saved we are not supposed to live in sin.

The way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/15/15


\\Cluny you have been answered many times with the Bible Passages that say it is a day of convocation or meeting.\\

Not according to the Decalogue.

And the only Sabbaths that called for such, if you read the passages, are the ones that would fall during a festal week.

Synagogue services (which did not develop until after the Exile) were TWICE DAILY.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/15/15


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We have tried to show the reasons for not keeping Sabbath are not valid.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/14

But you seem to ignore plain Scripture in demanding your observance. The law no longer has any standing in making you righteous. Such was not the case before the death of Jesus.

Let's look at one Scripture that clearly explains that Jesus death has eliminated the need for the Law in terms of righteousness.

Rom 10:6 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes"

When we believe in Jesus we can rest in the fact that Jesus kept the law and that His obedience is now imputed to us. We get righteousness as a result of His obedience to the Law, not our own obedience.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/15/15


Cluny you have been answered many times with the Bible Passages that say it is a day of convocation or meeting. You have been shown the Passage of Isiah on what the Sabbath was for and you have seen what Jesus did on Sabbath and is still what Jews do today.

So the understanding of that Sabbath is for worship is grounded in Scripture and Tradition.

True some Christians take it as a day of rest only. But for most of church history Sunday was the Sabbath and was a day of worship in Church.

The Way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/15/15


\\I mean by these words exactly what the disciples of Christ meant when:

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the Sabbath day according to the Commandment. \\

OK. So you say that "keeping the Sabbath" means resting from labor, if I understand you correctly, jerry. Do I?

This is what I've been saying for years. There is NOTHING in the commandment that demands worship.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 4/15/15


Isa 58:13
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day, and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable, and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

Cluny

Read the words of Jesus on Sabbath. On Sabbath it is time set apart to be with GOD. What exactly did I post that does not fit?

Please be specific.

The way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/15/15


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Acts 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:
-Yet one will say they are speaking of the law of Moses here and not the law of God.
-But it was from the law of Moses that Jesus quoted the 2 greatest commandments.
-The law of Moses is the Pentateuch.
-The only laws brought forward for the believer are those Jesus brought forth from what SDA's call the law of Moses and what this Acts reference brings forth.
-There are many examples in the Bible of using the Decalogue to point to Christ and the 2 royal laws of liberty. It was our schoolmaster.
---micha9344 on 4/15/15


Cluny: "And I cannot answer that question unless I first understand what you mean by "faithfully kept the 7th day Sabbath"."

This is classic Cluny - avoiding the question by some extraneous demand.

I mean by these words exactly what the disciples of Christ meant when:

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments, and rested the Sabbath day according to the Commandment.

Read the exact Commandment in Exo 20:8-11. I mean this, no more and no less.


Now will you answer the question?


---jerry6593 on 4/15/15


Samuel, almost none of what you have mentioned is obliged by the Bible.

I wonder what jerry will answer.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/14/15


I tried to post Sabbath Observance earlier today. But my internet at work went down.

From Sunset Friday night to Sunset Saturday night no secular music, television, reading or working for money.

Spend exta time in prayer and Religious study. Go to church if possible.

Reach out to help others and help in anyway you can. Spend time in spreading the Gospel is possible.

Fellowship with other Christian.

Take some time to rest from this world. So you can have a special time of Fellowship with GOD.

These are the Basics.

Mark I have not seen Jerry or I say any here is going to hell or judging you. We have tried to show the reasons for not keeping Sabbath are not valid.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/14/15


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Why?
---Samuelbb7 on 4/14/15

yet faithfully kept the 7th day Sabbath?
---jerry6593 on 4/14/15

Why do you think this Scripture does not apply to you?

Col 2:16 "Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day"

You are judging all of us on these blogs about a Sabbath Day. We have all given you reasons for not keeping a Saturday Sabbath. You do not accept our reasons. I now say to you, adhere to the following Scripture.

Rom 14:4 "Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls, and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand"
---Mark_Eaton on 4/14/15


\\If Sunday is the Lord's Day, don't you think it odd that neither Paul nor any other Apostle made mention of anything special about Sunday, yet faithfully kept the 7th day Sabbath?\\

And I cannot answer that question unless I first understand what you mean by "faithfully kept the 7th day Sabbath".

Can this be clarified, first?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/14/15


The Ten Commandments are not the main points of Discussion in the entire New Testament. The last six are mentioned a few times. The Sabbath is mentioned 60 times in 55 verses in the New Testament.

The New Testament was written to the Church over ten years after the Resurrection of Jesus. The Church fought on circumcision. It discussed not judging others on Sabbath Keeping. But no mention is made of not to keep Sabbath or to change the day. Over 300 years latter the first Sunday law forbid the keeping of Sabbath? Why?

The way of the cross leads home.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/14/15


Cluny: Is there some reason why you can't answer the simplest, straightforward question?


If Sunday is the Lord's Day, don't you think it odd that neither Paul nor any other Apostle made mention of anything special about Sunday, yet faithfully kept the 7th day Sabbath?


---jerry6593 on 4/14/15


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jerry, I've pointed out several time that Sabbath observance was NEVER obligatory upon Gentiles at all, and in Acts 15 was not made obligatory upon Gentile Christians.

But maybe we should clarify something before we discuss this matter further, so we can understand each other.

Just what do YOU (and the SDA in general) believe "Sabbath observance" means?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/13/15


Cluny.... I know you're there.

Would you like to take a crack at answering the actual blog question?

If Sunday is the Lord's Day, don't you think it odd that neither Paul nor any other Apostle made mention of anything special about Sunday, yet faithfully kept the 7th day Sabbath?

I'll be waiting........



---jerry6593 on 4/13/15


Cluny: "Why did you post the same question twice, especially since the first time you posted it (with the title "Was Paul a Jew") has only seven replies, jerry?"


Thanks for pointing that out. The honest answer is that I didn't think that my question was posted. I have limited time once a day to engage CN, and when I scanned the titles to see if any were interesting, I didn't see mine. I think there is a serious problem when the Mods post a purpously deceptive title for a valid biblical question. Both times the title does not reflect the meaning of the question. Why? Who has the agenda?

Would you like to take a crack at answering the actual blog question?

---jerry6593 on 4/9/15


Paul knew there can be someone who "esteems every day alike" > in Romans 14:5. So, Jerry, to answer your question . . . if the apostles did not make a special mention of any day of the week, possibly this is because they knew God is fine with us regarding every day alike.

And Jesus is in Heaven, now . . . not under the sun and moon and in their "days". So, we in Jesus are also in Heavenly places, not truly any more under the sun. We are not ruled by where the sun is, in relation to us, but where we are in relating with Jesus the Bright and Morning Star (c:

In Him, we need to rest from our works, all the time > Matthew 11:28-30, or we are not keeping His true rest.
---Bill on 4/9/15


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Geraldine, jerry has an agenda in asking the same question twice in a week.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/8/15


Cluny, some think so, but most questioners don't want to start a fight, they just want honest answers/opinions. I think this question about the Sabbath is answered by saying each person needs a day dedicated to get mind off the world and onto holiness.
---Geraldine on 4/8/15


\\If Sunday were indeed the "Lord's Day", don't you think it odd that neither Paul nor any other Apostle made mention of anything special about Sunday, yet faithfully kept the 7th day Sabbath?\\

Why did you post the same question twice, especially since the first time you posted it (with the title "Was Paul a Jew") has only seven replies, jerry?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/8/15


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