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How To Forgive Someone

How can we be certain that we have truly forgiven someone who has hurt and offended us?

Scripture tells us that God forgives and 'remembers our sin no more'.

Does it mean we have not truly forgiven if we still remember the offense?

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No Cluny, she couldn't mean St. John XXIII because Kathr speaks of Arafat who ran to St. John Paul II for cover when he misbehaved.
Which she also didn't know is that the Jewish community LOVED St. JPII.

But because she hides her sources refusing to cite them, I was showing her and others she doesn't know what she is speaking about when speaking about the RCC.
(Note: I said the RCC not the Bible.) Before anyone gets mad.

You and I know that once a name is used that name is sealed forever.
For those who are unfamiliar with our traditions:
When the present Pope dies and if the next Pope wishes to use the name Francis he most be called Pope Francis II.

So there were 23 Popes who picked the name John as their name.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/17/15


\\Pope John died centuries ago.\\

Maybe kathr meant John XXIII?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/16/15


Did you know that most Jewish people ACCUSE the RCC of copying them?
We say, YUP...
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/14/15

Amazing that you think this is a great thing.---Trav on 5/15/15

AMEN TO THAT!

I LOVE JEWISH PEOPLE.
NO SHAME AT ALL!
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/15/15


Did you know that most Jewish people ACCUSE the RCC of copying them?
We say, YUP...
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/14/15

Amazing that you think this is a great thing. Copying an "anti-christ" people for 2,000 years.
Make perfect sense and you doubly verified it.
You have the special marks of a sent witness for Israel.
---Trav on 5/15/15


Kathr, are we talking again?

Did you know that most Jewish people ACCUSE the RCC of copying them?
We say, YUP because JESUS is Jewish and fulfilled the LAW not abolish it.

I didn't get the RCC site you cited from? Please give?

Pope John died centuries ago.
Pope John Paul was in office for 33 days 1978.
Pope John Paul II 1978 to 2005?

Which one and please provide source as well.

Nice talking again
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/14/15




Trav, RCC has always favored the Islams over Israel. ... think in the end we will see an ungodly alliance between The RCC and Islam against Israel.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/15

Thanks. Never seen that, I'll look. You've never seen me say much about r.c.'s years previous. But, lately a few diciples caused me to check them out for facts. Was concerned at apalling history, and amazed at reliable information available to anyone. Check the Nazi connections, a chained link and similar mindset to what you are stating above. Have a heart for the people deceived by these "roman" imposters in charge.
See and consider your Israel and the other house of Israel. That churches don't consider. Where ever they may be...scattered afar.
---Trav on 5/14/15


I love the game. Some are too thin skin. To follow Jesus Christ One must forget about feelings being hurt.
MAN UP!
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/14/15

This may be the issue here......some don't see it as a GAME. Or play it as a GAME. And some don't say it has to do with hurt feelings, again, one's own delusional voices in one's head. One may just be obeying the word that says, after two or three admonition REJECT! No , no hurt feeling at all when obeying the Word of God.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/15


\\Cluny, there are two Tamar's in Scripture. The one I am talking about is Amnon's half sister, David's children. \\

Thank you for clarifying that.

Of course, I don't see what this discussion on who raped whom has to do with the original question on this thread.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/15


Trav, the RCC has always favored the Islams over Israel. Pope John and the first terrorist Arafat were great friends, and made a secret covenant between the two. So this hate speech is something they have been taught. I think in the end we will see an ungodly alliance between The RCC and Islam against Israel.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/15


Kathr, No hard feeling. Peace with you and may God bless you.

Trav buddy, you are back. Good to debate you again.

No defending Esau. He lost his birth right because he was an idiot.

I just don't like stories in the Bible changed just to support or strengthen One's theory or ideas.

If your theory is correct the Bible will back you up without twisting or distorting it's HOLY Words.

If you a mistake I will call you out on it as I expect another to do to me. (Which many are ready to pounce)

I love the game. Some are too thin skin. To follow Jesus Christ One must forget about feelings being hurt.
MAN UP!
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/14/15




Cluny, there are two Tamar's in Scripture. The one I am talking about is Amnon's half sister, David's children.

Nicole, sorry, but I didn't read your posts, just skipped to Cluny's. I Don't wish to debate with you or even read yours.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/15


It wasn't purchased it was stolen.
Jacob STOLE the eldest son birth rate and ran from Esau.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/13/15

You defending Esau, take his part.
Esau satisfied his earthy needs. Did not place any value on his "birthright". Until he realized what he had sold.
It was his by right and valued at one bowl pottage.
Heb_12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
Rom_9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Gen_33:4 Esau ran to meet him, embraced him, fell on his neck, kissed him: and they wept.
Oba_1:6 How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!
---Trav on 5/14/15


This came from an RCC site.. Jacob purchased the birthright---kathr4453 on 5/12/15
Please give the RCC site. Likely it's a ex-Catholic stating to an expert.

It wasn't purchased it was stolen.
Isaac didn't have to give his blessing because Jacob gave Esau a bowl of soup.
It can't be a RCC site because God doesn't like anyone to break the 10 Commandments.
Lying and Stealing are 2 of them.

Issac was blind and was TRICKED AND LIED to by his wife and youngest Son.
Remember Issac said you feel like Esau, but sound like Jacob. Remember?

Jacob STOLE the eldest son birth rate and ran from Esau. Remember he was a COWARD placing his wives and children in front of him to make sure Esau wasn't STILL mad over the incident.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/13/15


There you go again, Kathr.

Please before posting.
Relax and don't get mad when you read the rest of this blog.

Oh and in America no one gets stoned for adultry. Just another NON fact you made up.---kathr4453 on 5/12/15

Adultery is a death sentence punishment by stoning in David's time, Jesus time and even today. ---Nicole_Lacey on 5/12/15

Who said America? No one

I said even today.
America isn't the whole world.

Middle east and Africa are stoning ONLY WOMEN for Adultery.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/13/15


\\ However we do know Tamar was.\\

Here's one of your non-Biblical statements, kathr.

Tamar was NOT raped. Instead, she seduced her erstwhile father-in-law Judah.

Are you perhaps confusing Tamar with Dinah, who WAS raped?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/15


This came from an RCC site.

J acob made a LEGAL transaction with Esau. He was doing the spiritual tasks - Esau was not interested. Jacob purchased the birthright, and the Bible makes it clear that Esau DESPISED his birthright. God calls him a profane person. In fact, the entire camp began calling him Edom because of what he did. It was such an outrageous act that news of it spread far and wide immediately and gave him a new nickname. WHY DOES THE CHURCH CONDEMN JACOB FOR THIS? GOD DOESN'T. Jacob didn't steal anything. Instead, he expressed his desire for the spiritual things of God. In this way, the prophecy of God would be fulfilled. The elder shall serve the younger. From this point on, the birthright did NOT belong to Esau.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/15


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Nicole, rudeness is when you force your point of view without scripture on someone. No verse says Bathsheba was raped. However we do know Tamar was. David also begged God not to take Bathsheba from him, as He did THEIR CHILD who was totally innocent in the matter. You are angry with me Nicole because I have confronted you on several non biblical statements you want to force on others as FACT...like Queen of heaven ........where this WHOLE discussion began. It began from there and has just escalated out of control.

Oh and in America no one gets stoned for adultry. Just another NON fact you made up.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/15


Nicole, SOOOOO, what I said then didn't need your ugly comments did it..---kathr4453 on 5/12/15

Kathr, please don't switch the rudeness.

You asked me a question getting SMART with me.

NOW you are mad because I answered your own mean ugly question with your own mean blogs.

I guess saying sorry is just toooooooooooo hard.

It isn't.

SORRY if I hurt your feeling.

PEACE
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/12/15


when those caught in adultry were stones. Was it only the woman that was stoned, or both?---kathr4453 on 5/12/15

I always give you Scripture 80% of the time.

You never to this date given me anything but your words talking about the subject. You spin off to another topic like Jacob and Esau and have the nerve to ask me why we are on the subject you started.

Again back the Bible.

When they brought the woman to Jesus to stone her for adultery where was the man?

Jesus didn't EXCUSE the woman but pointed out to the men they were not innocent themselves.

THEY ALL DROPPED THEIR ROCKS.

Adultery is a death sentence punishment by stoning in David's time, Jesus time and even today.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/12/15


Nicole, SOOOOO, what I said then didn't need your ugly comments did it. God CHOSE Jacob, just as God chose Solomon. Yes I brought up Jacob and Esau in reference to Solomon showing GOD chooses. GOD sets up Kings and brings them down according to HIS WILL and purpose.

Nicole, when those caught in adultry were stones. Was it only the woman that was stoned, or both? So if God did not kill or have David stoned, He could hardly have Bathsheba stoned.

Debating with you would not be so bad if you took off the boxing gloves and dropped the smart alec attitude. You are not debating here. Please grow up. For someone your age, it's actually embarrassing unless you lied about your age.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/15


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Nicole, just curious.....how did Jacob and Esau get in this conversation in the first place? No one here has ever discussed this subject on this thread, yet you bring this up somehow accusing me of entitlement something????? This is a problem with you Nicole.---kathr4453 on 5/12/15

REALLY?

He obviously was the right choice for that time. Just as God chose Jacob over Esau.---kathr4453 on 5/10/15

If you bring a names into the subject, I have to right to response.
IT'S CALLED DEBATING.

Again everyone, STOP ignoring the FACT that Bathsheba WASN'T STONED FOR ADULTERY

PLEASE ADDRESS WHY NATHAN the PROPHET DIDN'T STONE HER?

PLEASE SOMEONE ANSWER, ANYONE??
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/12/15


Darlene, many people don't realize that bathing and sleeping are done on the roof. Cooler and more privacy.

Now of course, King David's Castle would be the biggest house in the neighbor. Even bigger than the Temple.

But, remember the Bible states David decided not to go on his military duties and took a long nap.

Idleness can cause sin, as we all know.

Why did the Bible mention David's activities before calling on Bathsheba???

So, we can know today why God was so mad at David for his sin.
God doesn't punish the innocent. HE IS MERCIFUL

Bathsheba was raped.
God blessed her with a king son. God at least felt sorry for Bathsheba. He knew her pain.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/12/15


Nicole, just curious.....how did Jacob and Esau get in this conversation in the first place? No one here has ever discussed this subject on this thread, yet you bring this up somehow accusing me of entitlement something????? This is a problem with you Nicole. You inject an attitude you need to lose.
Birthrights can be lost, as, if I'm not mistaken Ruben lost his. And it appears Cain lost his. We also see Jonathan, Saul's firstborn did not automatically inherit the Throne, but GOD gave it to David, the YOUNGEST of Jesse's sons, not even related to Saul.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/15


We truly forgive when we no longer hold a grudge against the person. We as humans do not have the power to forget.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/12/15


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Cluny Interesting response but I don't understand why you think that. Please explain. If her roof and the Kings abode were next door what would prevent him from seeing her if she's on an open roof with nothing around her,there isn't a wall or screen to hide her. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/11/15


I don't know whether Bathsheba was raped or not but this happened in an era when women were 'given' to men whether they wanted that man or not. It was the man's choice.

Even our antiquated marriage ceremony asks "Who giveth this woman to this man".

These things are not for us speculate about. We know only what the bible tells us about David and Bathsheba therefore that is all that God wanted us to know.
---Rita_H on 5/12/15


Nicole, scripture clearly tells us God told Rebcca, there are TWO NATIONS in your womb, and the elder..ESAU shall serve the younger..Jacob. God had already made His choice before either was ever born, before either had done any good or evil. It doesn't appear Rebecca told this to Isaac. Her bad. If she had, none of that drama would have taken place. Ishmael was Abraham's first , yet it was Isaac who was given the birthright. Sarah didn't hesitate to let that be known. Regardless of our human failures, God's will will always be done. Jacob was God's choice regardless of how it came about.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/15


\\As I read your last post it made me think,Bathsheba knew she could be seen by anyone who was watching from that Castle or whatever living place it was but she bathed there anywa\\

Not necessarily, Darlene.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/15


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Nicole Lacey As I read your last post it made me think,Bathsheba knew she could be seen by anyone who was watching from that Castle or whatever living place it was but she bathed there anyway. It seems she may well have exposed her naked body there to get the kings attention,hoping he would send for her. Most women know if men find them attractive therefore it wasn't guessing on her part. All of this is speculation but it could well be the case. The King taking Bathsheba to his bed could easily be her purpose in bathing in public. In that case it was with her consent that she lay with the King. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/11/15


Kathr, Esau SOLD his birth to Jacob, and still their mother had to help Jacob with their father into thinking he was Esau. God allowed Jacob to trick Esau.
God sticks to the rules He made. First born boy gets the blessings. But, if you think very little of your position as eldest son over a bowl of soup, it's my bet you feel intitled.

Can we stop blaming other people for sins being committed.

So according to you it's God's fault why Jacob trick Esau.

Remember God punished Jacob for stealing his brother birth right.
14 years with his uncle for Rachel.

Please Kathr before you make an excuse of a sinner in the Bible make sure you don't blame God.

Leave God out of the excuses
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/11/15


Kathr, COMMON SENSE can be used when reading the Bible.
Samuel warned the people what will happen if they get a king instead of Judges as originally set up by God.
The people changed God's plan.
Remember God told Samuel the people were rejecting Him (God) not him (Samuel).

David was watching Bathsheba as she was bathing. She is married and isn't looking for a date.
David sends for her. HINT- he didn't say "Ask if she is willing to see me."

He lies with her. HINT-Bathsheba again isn't asked.

PUNISHMENT FOR ADULTERY IS DEATH BY STONING.
I believe Nathan knows the LAW.
Bathsheba WASN'T stoned to death, because EVERYONE knows she didn't have a say in the matter = AKA RAPE!
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/11/15


Nicole, scripture is silent on whether Bathsheba was raped or not. I never go beyond what God's word says. You have a peculiar understanding of Israel or the leadership of the King of Israel. Bathsheba was not a SLAVE to David. Again you are inserting your own point of view here because of possibly your own heritage. Israel was a Theocracy based on the Law of Moses, not a dictatorship based on power and greed.

I believe God chose Solomon based solely on what God saw in Solomon. He obviously was the right choice for that time. Just as God chose Jacob over Esau.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/15


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Yes, She was raped. Just as slaves here in America when the master called for one of them to his bed or he went to them.
Even in my family tree we are mixed.

You can't deny the King, Master or who ever has total control of you.

Christians are being raped now by Mulsims captors.

Again, why did God pick Bathsheba's only son to be the next king of Israel? He had several older brothers by David.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/10/15


Nicole, what verse says Bathsheba could not deny the King? There is no verse. She was married..period. What happened we will never know until all is revealed one day. Was she raped? We will never know! Now with Tamar, David's daughter, scripture tells us exactly what happened.

Now to type Solomon with Jesus and Bathsheba with Mary is total nonsense......and that was my point here.

So before you continue to insinuate types and shadows, you need to study what Types and Shadows are. There is NOTHING whatsoever showing any "type or shadow" of any Queen in Heaven in the Holy Bible.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/15


Kathr, please try to pretend you are not living in 2015 and in America for one minute. Please.

Bathsheba COULD NOT DENY THE KING!!!!!!!

Nathan, David and even God knew she couldn't say no.

Open your eyes and ears and read the Scriptures I gave you.

Eve was given a punishment decided to her as God spoke to her. Notice God or Nathan address Bathsheba. Why, BECAUSE she is INNOCENT.

To prove she is so innocent God BLESSED HER WITH THE NEXT KING OF ISRAEL. SOLOMON
Now that's punishment! God is so mean!
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/9/15


Nicole, just as God held Adam totally responsible for sin, so God held David responsible. That does not mean Eve or Bathsheba were innocent.

When Jesus reigns on earth for 1000 years He will take the throne of David, and here will be KING, just as the Jews wanted to make Him King while on earth...read John 6. He left the crowd and went to the other side of the lake to get away...BEFORE they tried to make Him King. he will come back as KING, as Zechariah 12-14 clearly say. Today we call him LORD. You will not find one verse from Romans to Jude where Peter Paul James etc refer to Jesus as KING.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/15


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Kathr, Jesus is KING NOW!
Mark 16:19..after He has spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, AND SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD.
Do you think He is sitting ON the floor or a THRONE??

Bathsheba DIDN'T SIN it was David who SINNED and the boy died because of him.
Nathan told David about a MAN SINNING not a woman.

2 Samuel 12:7 Then Nathan said to David, "You are the MAN! V9 'Why have you despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in His sight?...
v13 David said to Nathan,"I HAVE SINNED AGAINST THE LORD."
(not we, but I)
V14 "However, because by this deed YOU HAVE..., the child also who is born to you (not her) shall surely die."

I don't know what Bible you are reading.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/9/15


Just like Batheshea only became queen only due to her son's merits. Mary and Batheshea both had to wait for death to occur to be a queen.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/7/15

Jesus is not now KING in heaven. When He returns and reigns for 1000 years here on earth He will be KING, as promised in the OT. Mary will NOT be His queen then or is she now. Bathsheba was married to another, taken in adultery, lost her child because of that SIN. Bathsheba was David's wife, but before married to a GENTILE. Then Solomon was King, who took many HEATHEN wives, bringing false Gods into Israel, and because of Solomon the Kingdom was divided. HIS MERITS????? So Bathsheba, being Solomon's mother he made Queen, has NO PARALLEL to Mary as any Queen in Heaven.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/15


Ha. Are you subtly posting you are outta the closet now?
Your priest doesn't know your here, what's his name? You'll have to worry those beads all night.---Trav on 5/8/15

Why shouldn't my Priest know I am on this website?

Are you doing something sinful that I might over see?

Everyone seems to be holy men and women.

As for worrying the beads all night.
Yes, Scriptures states to mediate on God day and night.

Why? Do you only think of Jesus during the day time?

What are you doing at night? STOP IT if you don't want Jesus to know about your nightly activities.
By the way, Jesus is ALL KNOWING
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/8/15


NO MEN. SORRY, IF IT HURTS!
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/8/15

Ha. Are you subtly posting you are outta the closet now?
Your priest doesn't know your here, what's his name? You'll have to worry those beads all night.
You love being shown the universal roman churches many errors, over and over. Or you wouldn't ask for help here.
Good plan you have coming here.
Helps us all to confirming deeper the multitude witnesses we find in scripture. That you just can't seem to find.
You are yelling in print. Another sign you are still being controlled. Remember your crayolas: Me...(PaPa)who makes you mad controls you.
Jer 44:19 when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her,...
---Trav on 5/8/15


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To give a lesson you'd need to be scripturally accredited. You're not.
1Ti_2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.---Trav on 5/8/15

OOOOH BABY,

Now I know why you are mad!

You are ashamed I know more about Jesus than you.

That's okay. Just keep on praying. Jesus loves it when you seek and talk to Him all day long.
You just might past a woman's intimate relationship.
But, Jesus doesn't have favorites. He will LOVE you the same.

Remember, only the women had courage enough to stay with Jesus from the sentence - Way of the Cross and to his crucified/Death .

NO MEN. SORRY, IF IT HURTS!
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/8/15


Okay Trav, we can stay lesson 1.
I pray to Mary who is still living...
If you don't have a valid Priesthood...
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/7/15

To give a lesson you'd need to be scripturally accredited. You're not.
1Ti_2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
My priest is greater. My priest said to pray to him. No other.
Heb_9:11 But Christ being come an high priest...
You are found scripturally, by many marks. None scripturally authorizing you or your cult.
You are a servant of another master rather than the one scripture upholds.
Get behind us in the name of YAHSHUSA.
---Trav on 5/8/15


Samuel, do you believe Hanukkah happened? Why? It isn't in your bible. History and the event is in OUR catholic bible.

Since we know that only the king's mother is the queen. Always.
Someone named Esther, but forgot Esther was a queen to a pagen not a king from Israel.

If you believe the promise given to David that an issue would come forth from his line to be a king forever and forever, so where he is? Jesus is King in Heaven not on earth.
So logically Mary is Queen of Heaven not because of her own worth, but her Son's status changed from hanging on a tree to sitting on His Thorne,
Just like Batheshea only became queen only due to her son's merits. Mary and Batheshea both had to wait for death to occur to be a queen.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/7/15


Thank you Nicole for your response.

The problem is that the Bible does not call her the Queen of heaven. So to do so is speculation at best.

In the RCC tradition Mary was immaculately conceived.

Which is if I am correct necessary for her to be Queen of Heaven. But that is also a non-biblical doctrine. As a human being she was a sinner. She is saved by Grace through Faith just like the rest of us humans. Luke 1:46,47

And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

We are to pray though our High Priest the only one who can intercede for us. That is Jesus. So no prayers to Mary will avail in any way.
Hebrews 4.

Rock of Ages.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/7/15


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Okay Trav, we can stay lesson 1.
I pray to Mary who is still living according to Jesus.
Matthew 22:31-32...32 He is not the God of the DEAD but the LIVING.

Focus, on those verses. No one is dead. Either living on earth, hell, purgartory or Heaven.

So Mary isn't dead. Either you are lying or Jesus. Which one?

Now next you need to find PBS channel and watch old English speaking movies. They use the word 'pray' as defining communation. Not worship.
You are very confused.
We Worship in our service along with praying.
If you don't have a valid Priesthood in your Church then all you are doing is praying and listening.
Praying isn't Worship.
Worship has properties of praying but it isn't complete worship.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/7/15


...explained WHY Catholics say Mary is queen of Heaven...
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/7/15

Your in way over your head, little girl...here is your first Crayola. Quit eating them.
Color this: He who makes you mad controls you.
Color this now, stay inside the lines: You never answered or defended what you believe and practice. Praying to an un-authorized dead person. You can't, couldn't and never will establish her scripturally as a Queen.
Your Crayola is broke. Now you can eat it.

1Ti_1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
"I will exalt you, my God the King,
I will praise your name for ever and ever." (Psalm 145:1)
---Trav on 5/7/15


Ha, not jump around??? You must be democrat to boot. You'll expect us to pray to hillary next.---Trav on 5/6/15

Sorry Trav, I been a Republican since I could vote for Bush the elder in 1992,---Nicole_Lacey on 5/6/15

Lesson #1

Address the question or statement.
That's how you DON'T or AVOID the question.
ADDRESS IT.

Move on to the next statement.
I NEVER told anyone to pray to Bathsheba. Prove I did!

Again, I explained WHY Catholics say Mary is queen of Heaven because of her SON.
I used Scripture showing how Israel declares queens. Mothers not Wives.

Understand Lesson #1?

Then we can go to Lesson 2
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/7/15


...been a Republican since I could vote ...belong to the Tea party.
love debates. But, no jumping over hard questions. ...how the game is played.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/6/15

Wow. Impressive. You made 5 key points in 125.
1. Failure to provide any scriptures authorizing praying to Mary. You conceded/lost debate.
2. You are intelligent. Repub and tea party.
3. You jump hard questions. But no one else can. Foul. You conceded.
4. Rules. Two or more scriptures are required...scripturally defined and defining. You conceded.
5. GOD, scripture, defense of your beliefs is a game to you.
To debate. U need a scriptural, rational, defendable, platform. Praying to Mary. Debate lost moment you started.
---Trav on 5/7/15


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Sorry Trav, I been a Republican since I could vote for Bush the elder in 1992, Dole in 96, Bush the younger in 2000, 2004, McClain 08 and Romey in 12.
Didn't care for all of them but the other choice wasn't an option.
Plus, I belong to the Tea party.

I love debates. But, no jumping over hard questions. Focus. I know you hate to see Scriptures given to you in proof, but you need to counter offer with more Scriptures. That's how the game is played.

Odd that you chose this blog to continue our last debate.

I guess I hurt your feeling.
Sorry. Peace.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/6/15


Tray, lets stick to the subject and not jump around.
Be a man and accept I proved my validity.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/5/15

Ha, not jump around??? You must be democrat to boot. You'll expect us to pray to hillary next.
You've spun/justified praying to Mary as to a queen of Heaven.
No where is she called that. Christ never said to pray to her. His example is evident. He prayed to GOD.
You avoided the specific details...no one prayed to Bathsheba. No one prayed to anyone but GOD in scripture...except false gods.
You've verified you are 100% blinded in defense of the indefensible.
I'd expect you would be embarrassed/ashamed not continuing in error.
That would acceptable, and understood.
---Trav on 5/6/15


Donna there is an old adage, and I quote, or perhaps paraphrase:o) If you love someone, set them free, they will return, if meant to be. You can not control the actions, thoughts, or intents of another, it is sometimes difficult to even control our own:o). Accept them for who they are, and by their fruit you will know them, or separate yourself from them, but let it be your choice,and be willing to accept whatever the result of that choice. Peace is for those who live in peace. The peace that the Father has granted us through our Lord, Jesus, The Christ. Live in Him through your submission to His will, then trust that what ever happens is in accordance to His will, for your good, and rest.
---josef on 5/2/15


Nicole - "You can forgive your husband for cheating on you and not divorce him. But, he might have to explain himself in greater detail for each time comes home late."

I would not be there for him to come home late to a second time and it would not be because of unforgiveness, it would be because I would not be prepared to live that way or be used that way.

Others might feel differently but I would not.
---Rita_H on 5/1/15


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...but there are some who seem to think differently and accuse us of being unforgiving if we haven't also 'forgotten'. A good memory keeps us safe.---Rita_H on 5/1/15

I agree. Those who demand a memory loss are the very ones you most watch. They plan to hurt you again.

Punishment of offending other is not having the same level of trust.
You can forgive your husband for cheating on you and not divorce him.
But, he might have to explain himself in greater detail for each time comes home late.

Jesus forgive Peter for denying Him, but Peter had to promise 3 times to care and tend His sheep.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/1/15


Nicole "I can forgive you for stealing my money, but it doesn't mean I won't watch you each time you are near my purse. Forgiving and forgetting are not the same. Common sense and wisdom keeps us save."

Absolutely Nicole. This is exactly what I meant when I posed the question but there are some who seem to think differently and accuse us of being unforgiving if we haven't also 'forgotten'. A good memory keeps us safe.
---Rita_H on 5/1/15


I can forgive you for stealing my money, but it doesn't mean I won't watch you each time you are near my purse.

Forgiving and forgetting are not the same.
Common sense and wisdom keeps us save.

Jesus forgave the thief on the cross next to Him, but the thief still died due to his sin. Jesus didn't remove the punishment given to him.
But, promised he would go to heaven after his punishment was paid in full.
Forgiven, not getting off the hook.

God forgave David, but Solomon's bigger brother died because of his father's (David) sin. Plus, his family had problems as told by the Prophet.
---Nicole_Lacey on 4/30/15


I have another aspect to add to this and I need help in understanding. I have a family member who, for 16 years, won't forgive me for telling her the truth about her ex-husband. We haven't spoken in 16 years. She tried twice to taunt/hurt me in March. I begged her to forgive me and she refuses. She kind of is a Christian, living in fornication, and tells people God will take revenge on a mother fighting for custody of her child. I've kept away from her for 16 years. I really miss her and want to reconcile with her but she won't have any parts of it and developed a root of bitterness towards me. Is there anything I can do besides I've been praying for her for years. Any suggestions? I still love her very much.
---donna9393 on 4/30/15


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"It has been said that holding bitterness in your heart is like drinking poison, hoping the other person will eventually die". Thanks Strongaxe - I almost quoted those exact words alongside the ones I did quote as well. These are things that we should all remember because bitterness is a killer. If it doesn't kill literally it certainly kills the personality of the bitter person to the point that we become friendless or have only friends who are equally bitter, with whom we can exchange our bitter stories of how others have offended us.
---Rita_H on 4/26/15


Rita_H:

You said: Very well said. Seeking revenge just eats away at the soul of the offended person.

It has been said that holding bitterness in your heart is like drinking poison, hoping the other person will eventually die.
---StrongAxe on 4/25/15


"I would find it difficult to believe that a person had truly repented if they continue, over again to offend the same person in the same way. That is why I agree that keeping a distance, so as not to be offended again, would be the better option. In fact, it will be the memory of the offences that will keep them safe and at a distance." Rita_H on 4/20/15 Exactly, well said
---Josef on 4/23/15


Cluny I think you hit the nail on the head with your answer on 4.18.15. "I think you've reached the point of true forgiveness when you can look at the offense without bitterness or desire for revenge."

Very well said. Seeking revenge just eats away at the soul of the offended person.
---Rita_H on 4/22/15


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Joseph "And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent, thou shalt forgive him." Yes these ARE the instructions from Jesus, presumably for those who are in no position to remove themselves from the offender.

I would find it difficult to believe that a person had truly repented if they continue, over again to offend the same person in the same way. That is why I agree that keeping a distance, so as not to be offended again, would be the better option.

I use the word offended very loosely here, knowing that some are in danger if they don't remove themselves. In fact, it will be the memory of the offences that will keep them safe and at a distance.
---Rita_H on 4/20/15


There are three mindsets to restoring a relationship after an offense.
Forgiving is focused on you loosing the bitterness toward someone. Best analogy I have heard is UNforgiveness is you drinking poison hoping something bad will happen to that other person.
Forgetting - It does NOT mean you know longer remember the offense. It means IF you decide to restore a relationship you do not bring up that offense at a later time.
Wisdom - You do not put yourself into that situation so that the offense happens again.
There is a reason Jesus said you must forgive 70*7. because sometimes you have to do it daily, even without interaction with that person. Agree with the comments below.
---Scott1 on 4/20/15


"How can we be certain that we have truly forgiven someone who has hurt and offended us?" When we feel no need for revenge or retaliation.
"Does it mean we have not truly forgiven if we still remember the offense?"
No. Those who forget the offenses of the past, subject themselves to having those offenses repeated. We are to learn from our mistakes, and move on without animosity towards the offender, however a continued association, if it can be avoided, would be foolish. Well, what about what Jesus said in Luk 17:4? Those are our instructions and they should be followed, however, in my opinion, one would be foolish to allow the same individual to repeatedly wrong them.
---joseph on 4/18/15


Good question, Rita.

I think you've reached the point of true forgiveness when you can look at the offense without bitterness or desire for revenge.

Once more with feeling: Forgiveness is like peeling an onion. You peel and peel and cry and cry--and then there's another layer!

The first step is WANTING to forgive. And that's an act of the will.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/18/15


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I have been told that we should not remember how others have offended us and, that if we do, it proves that we have not truly forgiven them.

However, these same people don't seem to have the lack of memory that they seem to think they have as I've heard many stories related about the wrong-doings of others and they'll follow that up with "But, of course, we must forgive and forget". Surely we would not be able to keep re-telling of such events if we had actually forgotten.

Are we really meant to have an ability which I tend to think only God can have?

I would be mentally insane by now if I'd held grudges and vowed never to forgive but I still remember most things and sometimes those memories act as warnings.
---Rita_H on 4/18/15


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