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Can anyone tell me, if heartsync, is a legitamate christian ministry or a new age thing. Thanks.

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judy_chapman:
1/2 "Ministry" / therapy programs come and go. They usually cost $$$, but deliver pennies. Talking to someone can be helpful, even more so if he / she comes from a Christian perspective. But there are many worthless therapeutic techniques that are in opposition to a Biblical world view. Heartsync(s) program seems to be a treatment of dissociative disorder. If it has to do with any of the following therapies: "inner healing" / Recovered Memory / Theophostic, it is destructive, heretical, and a quackery.
---Glenn on 6/21/15


2/2 On their website (Welcome to), they narcissistic-eisegete the only three texts given: Luke 4:17-18a (should be 17-21) which is about Jesus, and not about you. Jeremiah 32:39 (should be 37-(40)-44) which is about the Jews, not your little heart aches. Matthew 22:37 (should be 34-40) which is law - short of Heaven we will break these two commandments often. A better treatment would be to study law and grace, Romans 3:9-8:(1)-39, Galatians 3:23-29, James 2:8-12.
---Glenn on 6/20/15


Christian ministry is based on the gospel of the grace of God, revealed to Paul
Wherever the gospel of grace is preached in its purity it produces results. No one hearing that message goes away the same. Either they consider it foolishness and are hardened, or see its importance and are softened by it. They are either eternally condemned, or eternally saved and justified by the response to that message. (I Cor. 1:18,:23,24 Rom. 1:16).
It is the gospel of the grace of God, the preaching of the cross, that produces such results. The law of Moses never did, (Rom. 8:3,4).
This is why Paul proclaimed, at Antioch of Pisidia. (Acts 13:38,39).
Gods message proclaims to the vilest sinner (Rom. 3:24).
rejecting Paul is rejecting Christ
---michael_e on 5/16/15


TRAV
Your claim that your family was in the Garden of Eden (well, so was mine, but I can't find proof of that) is an empty boast.
---richa8957 on 5/14/15

Well, found only by mark now, may or may not be empty. You're making it a contest. Ha.
Can extend on my forefathers belief's. Whose GOD, and recorded history precedes all your previous false GOD's history.
Regardless, you've found some light through GOD's Israelite people. My family too.
It is good, you testify of Israels Book of Covenanted promises of "light".

Deu_32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
---Trav on 5/15/15


Pretty good.
Oh now, on my dads side we ate fruit off the original forbidden fruit tree. E was a sucker for a good looking woman with forbidden fruit in her hand.

TRAV

Right! What about Ex 23:10 Do not spread false reports."

My grandfather (in India) has traced our family tree back to about 300 B.C.

Your claim that your family was in the Garden of Eden (well, so was mine, but I can't find proof of that) is an empty boast.

Why boastest thou thyself in mischief? Ps 52:1a

Richa,
The Born Again Buddhist,
Saved by the grace of God,
and totally in love with Jesus!
---richa8957 on 5/14/15




My mothers family tree begins with John Israel in 1699.
Trav
My mother is an American, and she can trace her family back to the Mayflower.
---richa8957 on 5/6/15

Pretty good.
Oh now, on my dads side we ate fruit off the original forbidden fruit tree. E was a sucker for a good looking woman with forbidden fruit in her hand. Gen 3.

Ecc_3:15 That which hath been is now, that which is to be hath already been, God requireth that which is past.

Psa_90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
---Trav on 5/6/15


My mothers family tree begins with John Israel in 1699.

Trav


Oh? Such a short time? I can trace my father's family line back to about 300 years before Christ (He comes from China. My mother is an American, and she can trace her family back to the Mayflower.
---richa8957 on 5/6/15


Are you so deluded you think this verse is talking about YOU, Trav?
---Cluny on 4/29/15

I don't know. You for sure don't know.
My mothers family tree begins with John Israel in 1699.
Irregardless what do care? You've never posted or shown Israels scriptural heritage or scriptures. Your confused scarlet cousin would never have seen this verse otherwise.
Post was for his blind spots...didn't foresee you benefiting by it.

Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eze_34:6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, none did search or seek after them.
---Trav on 4/29/15


\\Gen_12:3I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed\\

Are you so deluded you think this verse is talking about YOU, Trav?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/29/15


and how, pray tell, could people find Christ and live holy lives?
Away from me, you dragon!
---Monk_Brendan on 4/28/15

Gen_12:3I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Psa_72:18 Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things.
Psa_78:41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.
My GOD, Christ, Prophets, Apostles testimony's eat your lizard commands and spells
Isa_29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
---Trav on 4/28/15




Trav said, "OK. Your "universal church" is the gates of hell/death. Rev describes it. It has used / assumed Christ phrase for century's of political evil and power."

And how, pray tell, could people find Christ and live holy lives?

Away from me, you dragon!


Deut 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

PS 55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/28/15


Trav, I asked you a question that you sidestepped:
The gates of hell have not prevailed against the Catholic Church. Please answer!
---Monk_Brendan on 4/27/15

OK. Your "universal church" is the gates of hell/death. Rev describes it. It has used / assumed Christ phrase for century's of political evil and power.
Peter's "Ekklesia" is not now or will it ever be you Church at the end. You or they have not found or are even aware of what Christ seeks. 1,500 yrs of blindness, nor do you teach or preach it now. Lack of scriptural testimony/truth is a witness against both. A product of what you kneel before.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 4/28/15


Trav, I asked you a question that you sidestepped:

The gates of hell have not prevailed against the Catholic Church. Or is Jesus a liar?

Please answer!
---Monk_Brendan on 4/27/15


Trav, who am I supposed to believe, you or Jesus Christ...
---Monk_Brendan on 4/27/15

Never pointed or asked you to believe me. Pointed to all scriptural witnesses.
Your Church or pope does not have the marks of Peter in scripture. Rather the opposite by even a casual historical glance.
You should try to defend your r.c. faith. Until you cannot.
You have not. You will not be able to by scripture. I've been doing this longer than you. I recognize me in you years past. A priest cannot help you in front of Christ. Only Christ can help. Your doctrinal enemy can be your best friend... you are seeing scripture witnessing scripture you have never considered before.
Reject or accept it.
---Trav on 4/27/15


Trav said, "You won't, if you hear the witnesses."
1. You say that God the Father spoke through the prophets,
2. Jesus Christ fulfilled all prophecy ...
3.that the apostles witnessed to what Jesus said/did.
Is this correct?
---Monk_Brendan on 4/27/15

Scripture says it. I pointed to scripture. Your perceptions alter some.

1.Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
2. Luk_24:44 ...all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
3. Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Job_40:2 Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty...
---Trav on 4/27/15


Trav said, "Every one you mentioned had something revealed to them....
You don't trust GOD's witnesses. Or you would utilize them. ...."


Trav, who am I supposed to believe, you or Jesus Christ when He said, "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." I choose to believe Jesus Christ, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity.

The gates of hell have not prevailed against the Catholic Church. Or is Jesus a liar?

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/27/15


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Trav said, "You won't, if you hear the witnesses."

Okay Trav, I want to make sure that I understand you properly. You say that God the Father spoke through the prophets, and that Jesus Christ fulfilled all prophecy and witnessed to the Father speaking through the prophets. Finally, you say that the apostles witnessed to what Jesus said/did. Is this correct? I am asking for further clarification.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/27/15


I have a problem here. Jesus is God,...
#3. Apostles Confirm Christ and Prophets confirming GOD.
Trav, again we have a problem.
---Monk_Brendan on 4/25/15

You won't, if you hear the witnesses.
Eze_34:23 I will set up one shepherd over them, ...
Mat_15:24...I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Luk 1:32...called the Son of the Highest: the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk_1:72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, to remember his holy covenant,
Luk_2:49 ... ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Act_24:14 ... they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things...written in the law and prophets:
---Trav on 4/27/15


Perhaps emotions, and mostly memories, can be healed with prayer and the proper counselling.

However, to threaten that someone will gargle peanut butter on command is cultic.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/26/15


Every Roman Catholic that I know believe Mary...They pray directly to her and refer to her as Queen of Heaven.
---RitaH on 4/25/15

Interesting Rita. The very phrase they use is found in scripture to Judah. This seems to have carried over to this day.
Several verses on Queen of Heaven: Jer 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, were well, and saw no evil.
Jer 44:22 ..., because of the evil of your doings, and abominations ...
---Trav on 4/27/15


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Only through His prophets? I seem to remember God talking directly to Adam and Eve, Cain, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as well as Moses
I have a problem here. Jesus is God, hence ...
---Monk_Brendan on 4/25/15

Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Every one you mentioned had something revealed to them. And to those who "choose" to listen to their "marks", warnings, blessings, punishments.
You don't trust GOD's witnesses. Or you would utilize them. Its a common choice.
Men choose their own blinders. You chose traditions of men in front of Christ and scriptures of Prophets confirming everything he fulfilled and said.
---Trav on 4/27/15


Monk_Brendan:

You said: Whoa--Stop right there. I did not say that Christians do not have mental problems.

I did not say you did. I just pointed out that it's a common conceit that many people (you not included) share, that physical and mental illnesses are qualitatively different in terms of how real they are, and how they should be treated.

... this "healing" can cause tremendous emotional harm.

There are those who genuinely have the gift of miraculous healing, and that should apply equally well to physical and mental illnesses. Then, those are those you describe who are little more than amateur physicians and psychologists who practice without training or license.
---StrongAxe on 4/26/15


StrongAxe said, "There is a common conceit...while mental illnesses "are all in your head", and not actually real, and should be healed through raw willpower and/or proper thinking. ..."

Whoa--Stop right there. I did not say that Christians do not have mental problems. I myself suffer from chronic depression. What I am saying is that so-called emotional healing is strictly in the realm of the untrained Christian "healer" who tries to make their victims into unthinking sheep. Without the aid of a physician and/or psychologist, this "healing" can cause tremendous emotional harm.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/26/15


Monk_Brendan:

You said: Healing of emotions is bunk.

There is a common conceit among many people that physical illnesses are real, and legitimate targets for various forms of healing, while mental illnesses "are all in your head", and not actually real, and should be healed through raw willpower and/or proper thinking. Some (like Christian Scientists) go so far as to put even physical illnesses into this category.

If mental illnesses are real, it is just as legitimate to seek healing for depression, dementia, and psychosis as it is to seek healing for blindness or cancer.

Whether someone who offers healing for depression or cancer can legitimately do so is a totally different issue.
---StrongAxe on 4/25/15


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One of their statements seems to be saying that in our past we may have been hurt, and so now we are somehow trying to not feel the pain of that. We can do this in different ways.

If they mean this, I see the point. We all were born in sin. So, in the weakness of sin we could be hurt and keep on suffering. And we can use pleasures and various distractions to try to keep our attention away from our deep pain.

However > I would offer > the Bible itself is full of how we with God can get us free from our past, and how to love, instead.

If you listen to any real preacher and do what the message means (c: with God and how our Father corrects us (Hebrews 12:6-11), He will make you strong and safe in His love > 1 Peter 3:13.
---Bill on 4/26/15


Judy said, " I read it was started by a Fr. Andrew Miller. ...So I am very curious what this healing of the emotions is."

I spent a time wandering in the Assemblies of God before I came back to the Catholic Church. Healing of emotions is bunk. Three times people talked me into "being healed." The first time I was told that by the end of the process if the healer told me to gargle peanut butter I would. The other two times were just as disappointing, and I left confused and hurting.

When I came back to the Catholic Church I found a place that would heal me, through Confession, Communion, and the wise counsel of a priest.

Don't fall for it!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 4/25/15


First and foremost pray about this...
---Rita_H on 4/25/15

Rita said it best. Why put someone in front of Christ or GOD.
You can access the Lord of Lords. Son of GOD.
Don't insult them...let them guide you.

Joh_6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

More especially this "father" andrew. Who disobeys in his "father" title.
Christ tells you he does.
Mat_23:9 call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Luk_11:11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
---Trav on 4/25/15


I cannot find very much about it but what I have read it seems O.K. However, when in doubt tread very warily. I'd want to know more than I know right now before embarking on something new.

First and foremost pray about this because God does not want you to become involved in something that is not right either.
---Rita_H on 4/25/15


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Judy, I looked, but I can't tell too much from the web site.

It is run by a continuing Anglican priest. As a whole, they tend to be conservative.

If it helps, it helps. Chew the meat and spit out the bones.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/24/15


Cluny and others who have not heard of it. would appreciate it if you google it and look at website and tell me if you think it is an acceptable form of helping a person to have healing of memories. They work with victims of santanic ritual abuse and others with problems with fear and stuff. Just do not want to get involved with anything that sounds new age.
---Judy on 4/24/15


I've never heard of it before.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/23/15


I read it was started by a Fr. Andrew Miller. I read one article that said he was episcopalian, and a video saying He was old Catholic of Celtic rite and is married with a child. So I am very curious what this healing of the emotions is.
---judy_chapman on 4/24/15


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