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Worldwide Flood Of Noah

Is the Bible correct about the fiat Creation and the worldwide flood of Noah or not?

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God has His Church ( singular, Church ) Acts 2 v 38. Mat.7 v 14.

2nd.Cor.11 v 14 has his 3 persons godhead churches ( churches, many ), Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 Pressing Pushing to John 10 v 1. Mat.7 vs 13 & 23. Work iniquity, ABOMINATIONS. Isa.5 v 14.
---Lawrence on 5/27/15


Lawrence:

You said to Samuelbb7: But you and others keep digging in the Vast deceiving trinity pit trying to prove that which is Not, & has No parallel basis with The Word of God whatsoever.

And how about the scriptures YOU keep quoting ad nauseam?

Rev 17:4-6: scarlet harlot
Matt 7:13-14: strait gate
2 Co 17:14-15: satan as angel of light
John 10:1: enter via valid door

Note that NOT A SINGLE ONE of these scriptures even remotely deals with the idea of trinity. So which one of us is vainly searching for scriptures that prove what is Not?
---StrongAxe on 5/26/15


Lawrence:

four legs GOOD two legs BAD four legs GOOD two legs BAD four legs GOOD two legs BAD four legs GOOD two legs BAD four legs GOOD two legs BAD four legs GOOD two legs BAD four legs GOOD two legs BAD four legs GOOD two legs BAD four legs GOOD two legs BAD four legs GOOD two legs BAD four legs GOOD two legs BAD

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/27/15


Samuel

There has been No scriptures showing the 3 persons godhead.
But you and others keep digging in the Vast deceiving trinity pit trying to prove that which is Not, & has No parallel basis with The Word of God whatsoever. 2nd.Cor.11 v 14 has his 3 persons godhead churches in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6. Mat.7 v 13.

God has His Church, in the book of Acts. Mat.7 v 14.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 5/26/15


Lawrence there have been a lot of verses showing the trinity to you. You ignored them and never replied. More would not help.

Trav

Stir and simulate wave action for how long? Also how do you spin it? The Earth Spins. Also how do you put in the Continents which they wold have made barriers.

Also how about the mountains and the shifting of the earth? How would you simulate that? Then add the variables of temperature.

Coal mines come from massive tons of vegetarion rafted up and settling in one area then being covered by mud.

A true experiment must account for all variables. True the fresh water and the Salt combined so how salty was the water after the mixing?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/26/15




... insanity get under my skin.
Trav that his assumptions are incorrect...
He assumes that rainwater was saline,...---jerry6593 on 5/23/15

Your doctrine under your skin is insanity, when measured against truth. (Is that a twitch in your eye?)
I made no assumptions. I posted facts.
Facts stumping scriptural poser scientist.
Facts like your "global flood" waters would be mixed with the oceans. Remember they are "saline".
I give you a simple lil experiment to do...put some grass and seed, bugs, slugs, moss, ferns in your kiddy pool, immerse with a mixture of 1.1lbs salt per cubic ft of water. Splash around to simulate wind and wave actions. Leave 190 days, check and utube the mushy result.
---Trav on 5/26/15


S A

And you just keep digging deeper in the vast deceiving trinity pit trying to prove that which has No parallel basis with The Word of God whatsoever.
Again, no matter what you and others in trinity Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 Pushing Pressing in John 10 v 1 say, being All part of the literal gates of hell, shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God. Again, shall not prevail.

Glory to God The Father Which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 5/24/15


Lawrence:

You said: S AActs 2, The Acts Church of The Living God, born on the day Pentecost.

Exactly! THOUSANDS OF YEARS of bible history happened (about 99% of it) BEFORE trinity was even an issue.

No place showing when the 3 persons godhead religion was found.

And there's no place the Bible doesnt say that death rays from Mars had no part in the death of Jesus Jesus either, but let's not let that stop us from jumping to totally unwarranted conclusions either.

The biblical standard for truth is 2-3 witnesses. 1 witness is hearsay. 0 witnesses is fiction. Try again please.
---StrongAxe on 5/23/15


S A
Acts 2, The Acts Church of The Living God, born on the day Pentecost.

No place showing when the 3 persons godhead religion was found. But when the devil stuck up his head with Commandments Doctrines of men polluting the world with it, immediately God placed in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6. Thank God.

Glory To God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 5/23/15


Lawrence:

You said: The Commandments Doctrines of men trinity... people dying perishing since day one of its existence, as if The Acts Church of The Living God never existed.

1) People have been dying since the beginning due to Adam's fall, not "commandments doctrines of men trinity" especially since the Trinity doctrine was not envisioned until several thousand years later(and in English, sentences have one subject, not three).
2) Acts (let alone any church in Acts) "never existed" for thousands of years either. Try again.


If someone were teaching a class on cooking, would you hijack THAT into your Trinity screed also?
---StrongAxe on 5/23/15




S A

The Commandments Doctrines of men trinity in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 John 10 v 1, Mat.7 v 13 has Hijacked the world with It's ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH religious Lies, people dying perishing since day one of its existence, as if The Acts Church of The Living God never existed.

We in Mat.7 v 14 Are here till when Jesus comes to call those by His name and are caught up.

Then the Commandments Doctrines of men religion believers are left behind to tend with the antichrist & the destruction of the world. The people's choice, Not God's choice.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 5/23/15


Lawrence:

I said: Considering how the range of Noah's flood has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Trinity doctrine, yes, you have hijackacked this blog into a totally unrelated post.

You said: Similarity wise, it Is.
Even with Judas, one of the twelve.


Please, enlighten us, as to HOW these subjects (let alone Judas) have anything to do with one another. I don't see it and I doubt anyone else does either.


Trav:

You said: My goodness, so XY humiliating!

Don't worry - I've also gotten similar egg on my face on occasion :)
---StrongAxe on 5/23/15


Samuel: You're right. I apologize. Sometimes I let the continual bombardment of insanity get under my skin. Perhaps you could explain to Trav that his assumptions are incorrect and that leads to false conclusions. He assumes that rainwater was saline, that all mountains were the same height before the flood as they are now, and that God's purpose in the flood was not the destruction of mankind.

I can barely understand Trav's "unusual" writing style, so it should be no surprise that I have difficulty conversing with him.

Thanks for your help.


---jerry6593 on 5/23/15


It says the ark settled on top of Mount Ararat. I don't think a local flood could cover a mountain.
---Bill on 5/22/15

The original language it can be a range or hills. Located in the "erets" land or country.
Water over Mt Everest at 30,000 ft, has a multiplied set of problems. Water pressure of over 5miles. All plant life, grasses, herbs, trees sterilized by "saline water. Saline because you just mixed with the oceans. What is everything gonna eat when it comes off 40+ Arks? rotten animals, slimy goo? Or each other.
Bible says "erets". Found over 1,600 times.
Ararat is 16,900ft high. Everest was unknown and unmeasured at 30,000ft until the 1850's.
Where was Noah at? Exactly.
---Trav on 5/22/15


Mathew 15. Jesus helps a woman of Canaan.

John 4 He helps a woman of Samaria.

Both of whom Trav you would deny. But He also commanded.

Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Trav Jerry is very competent. Sometimes he lets his ire show when confronted.

On Christ the solid rock I stand.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/22/15


S A

Similarity wise, it Is.
Even with Judas, one of the twelve.
---Lawrence on 5/22/15


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Dear Jerry.
... We are not to be using sarcasm but kindness to show others about Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/22/15

Dearest Jerry.
Sam, told all in a paragraph. He's ur 7th day daddy pulling your scriptural wagon.
(Show Sam..."the" "scattered abroad")
Joh_11:52...gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
Jas_1:1 James, a servant of God, of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad...
Joe_3:2 I will also gather all nations, ...will plead with them there for my people, for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, ...
Eze_28:25 ...gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, ...
---Trav on 5/22/15


Trav:
You forgot "TO capitalize". Making grammar errors while accusing someone else of bad grammar
---StrongAxe on 5/21/15

My goodness, so XY humiliating! Thanks, thanks, thanks. Apple for the teacher.
Your strength may be in correcting some grammar. You've been in over your head on the other post subjects.
Gal_4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
2Th_3:15 Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
Grammar, spelling, punctuation mistakes. We've seen everyone here slip up (even u perfecto's). So what.
Everyone translates the posts.
Blind guides strain periods.
Mat_23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
---Trav on 5/22/15


Dear Jerry.

To speak in love and kindness is to be like our savior. We are not to be using sarcasm but kindness to show others about Jesus.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/22/15


Trav:
You just keep getting weirder and weirder.
---jerry6593 on 5/22/15

He who makes you mad controls you.
You love me in control.
O.K.
You bring to mind pulling my little grand daughter in her little red wagon.
1. You want a new adventure as long as i'm pulling your wagon.
2. Also because the wagon is bigger than you.
3. You see nothing in front of you because you are facing the wrong way.
4. We don't go any faster or see new "erets" because you are scared. (crying is not fun)

You tired out early playing scientist. Well, PaPa will show you a new scientist game later. We'll take a gallon of salt water and put grass and bugs in bottom.
Yes, PaPa will post results.
---Trav on 5/22/15


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It says the ark settled on top of Mount Ararat. I don't think a local flood could cover a mountain.
---Bill on 5/22/15


Lawrence:

You said: Me Hijack ?

Considering how the range of Noah's flood has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Trinity doctrine, yes, you have hijackacked this blog into a totally unrelated post.


Trav:

You said: See that you forgot capitalize the beginning of your sentence complaining of the missing "and" in mine.

You forgot "TO capitalize". Making grammar errors while accusing someone else of bad grammar - well, you do the math.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/15


Trav: "See that you forgot capitalize the beginning of your sentence"

I see you haven't done a lot of reading. It was a continued sentence with a quotation and spaces in it.

You just keep getting weirder and weirder. Why don't you and no-Trinity Larry team up and have a real whacko-fest?



---jerry6593 on 5/22/15


Trav:
And yes, your writing style is also very strange. For example:
"Our kids, grandkids."
is not even a sentence!
---jerry6593 on 5/20/15

Sorry... forgot to Jerrify.
See that you forgot capitalize the beginning of your sentence complaining of the missing "and" in mine.
Hmmmm, double and triple + spacing is a memorable, singular "spaced out" weirdness here.
Jerry you've incredibly, as a scientific poser totally produced a profound amount "evidence of absence."

There is not any "absence of evidence."
I've provided many evidences you fear. Which makes you afraid of Truth. (Well you and I know...by evidence of absence)
Gal_4:16, 2Th_3:15.
---Trav on 5/21/15


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S A

Me Hijack ?
What do you think the commandments doctrines of men 3 persons godhead religion in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 Pushing Pressing John 10 v 1 under the influence of 2ndCor. 11 vs 14 15 with his Deceiving Lies trying to root out that The Acts Church of The Living God from ever existing.

God Has The Acts Church of The Living God.

Spiritual Darkness the commandments doctrine of men 3 persons godhead religion in Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6 Pushing Pressing John 10 v 1. <-- no matter what you say being All part of the literal gates of hell, shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God.

Glory to God The Father which Is & who Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 5/21/15


Lawrence:

You said: It's Not bashing or making fun. I Don't do such because it's serious Spiritual business.

You definitely imagine it so, because you think it's more important than any other Christian issue, seeing as how you hijack almost every single blog you post on into this contentious subject. But you don't really think about it, seeing how that screed has so many grammar errors (e.g. incomplete sentences), but rather than state your point articulately, you keep pasting the same error-filled prose into blog after blog ad nauseam.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/15


It's Not bashing or making fun. I Don't do such because it's serious Spiritual business.
---Lawrence on 5/20/15


It's the similarity about it though.
There is even with Judas, his suicide.
---Lawrence on 5/20/15


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Lawrence:

I see you have brought your repetitious trinity-bashing screed into yet another totally unrelated blog topic.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/15


Trav: "You are afraid the facts might not make you of Noah."

Now you're a mind reader. Do you know of anyone else who believes your twisted reading of the Bible? And yes, your writing style is also very strange. For example:

"Our kids, grandkids."

is not even a sentence!



Lawrence: Once again, not every blog is about the Holy Trinity.


---jerry6593 on 5/20/15


Right. When the flood came & overcame those outside the ark, only 8 people inside the ark.
The mockers & nonmockers alike they All perished lost together.
The commandments doctrines of men the trinity in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6 Pushing Pressing John 10 v 1, even those that worship other dif gods, other etc Mat.7 v 13. Those that mock the Acts Church of The Living God & what we stand for Mat.7 v 14, those that don't mock us, (they alike will perish be lost together. Being All part of the literal gates of hell) shall not prevail against The Acts Church of The Living God.
---Lawrence on 5/19/15


One has to wonder why Trav goes to such lengths to convince himself that God's Word is not to be trusted,...
---jerry6593 on 5/19/15

Scripture is truth. You doctrines modify it in ignorance.
I don't have to wonder why you're afraid. The big difference between us. You are afraid the facts might not make you of Noah.
Why does it matter that you promote a fable that cannot stand, in a book of Truth?
Our kids, grandkids. When your doctrinal fable shows false then it throws light that you are not to be trusted. Which you are not at this point.
A scientist too lazy/fearful to do necessary, simple research.

2Ti_4:4 they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
---Trav on 5/19/15


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Jerry, I can't understand how anyone reading Genesis 6-7 could possibly believe this was regional. ALL FLESH, THE WHOLE EARTH etc. EVERY LIVING THING. All but 8 souls perished. Also we see throughout scripture only the geanology of Noah and his sons. There is no mention whatsoever of any geanologies of any from Adam to Noah, apart from Noah mentioned after the flood. YET we see wicked men mentioned .......but NONE from any tracing their lineage back to Adam apart from Noah.
Go figure that with your calculator Travelosity!
---kathr4453 on 5/19/15


True Kathr and Jerry.
Trav has prophets other than biblical ones.
Manetho and Lyell: trav compromises obvious biblical truth with fantasy timelines from these- his prophets.
Linnaeus: trav here decides that "kinds" mentioned in the Bible 4k years ago equates to "species" as categorized by his prophet in the 18th cAD, thus compromising biblical truths again.
The present is not the key to the past, the past is the key to the present.
There are only 500 families of insects, from which adapted to their environments and are now the species we see today.
This unbelief by trav doesn't even take into the account of the miraculous, just the natural.
---micha9344 on 5/19/15


Good points Kathr. One has to wonder why Trav goes to such lengths to convince himself that God's Word is not to be trusted, but rather his dubious theories based on false assumptions and conjecture.

I agree with your take on the breakup of the land mass at the time of the flood. This comports with the "fountains of the deep" being broken up in Scripture. It also agrees with modern continental drift theory, and the deep oceanic trenches resulting therefrom give volume for the runoff from the continents. The upthrust of mountain ranges after the flood (with their associated marine fossils) are also explained. Trav's local flood theories don't explain these things.


---jerry6593 on 5/19/15


God made a covenant with Noah re: rainbow in the sky, promising never to flood the earth again.
---kathr4453 on 5/18/15

Is there always one large Rainbow seen around the world after a rain?
Or just in the "erets" land, area?

Noah's Ark measurements given equal around 1.2 million cubic feet.
1.8 million Insects require 90,000 cubic feet. Their food another 720,000 cubic feet. Some insects live one day, better take extras. For food too (Anteaters).
18,480,000 cubic feet required for food for the Clean Animals
(Clean were by Sevens), oops we haven't even loaded any animals yet and we need another 18,090,000 million cubic feet. 17 more Arks and we haven't even started loading the Clean or Dirty animals.
---Trav on 5/18/15


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Here is the problem with those who believe in a LOCAL FLOOD. God made a covenant with Noah re: the rainbow in the sky, promising never to flood the earth again. IF this were only a local flood, then God LIED. There have been horrible LOCAL FLOODS claiming the lives of thousands upon thousands. If only 8 souls were saved, then it was world wide. Nowhere does scripture say only 8 souls in that region. And since it took 125 years to build the ark, Noah and family certainly could have gone to higher ground given 125 years head start if God were going to flood only a region. I believe the land was all one mass then, before the land separated and the continents came into being. I also believe man lived in all parts of the land mass.
---kathr4453 on 5/18/15


Trav:
1. insulting tone...
2. ...assumptions.
3. ...likely not saline.
4. ...ark capacity flawed, ...
5. Darwinistic "kinds" of the Bible.
6. ...destruction of mankind.
7. [erets] .. is laughable.
---jerry6593 on 5/18/15

1. And youself? Hit and hide, no support retorts, for years now.
2. Faulty? Your Opinion, is not proof...again, etc.
3. Likely? 100 likely as in mixing with all ur worlds oceans.
4. Even one extra Ark needed negates your unsupported global flood.
5. You claim diversity evolution now. Wow..
6. Civilizations march through. Noahs-kind died
7. 1,600 + uses of "erets" speaks. Sterile grass, weeds, trees, insects, reptiles speak. You speak by not speaking.
---Trav on 5/18/15


Trav: Your insulting tone notwithstanding, your conclusions suffer from faulty assumptions.

The floodwater from rain and the "fountains of the deep" were likely not saline. That probably developed afterward from continental runoff.

Your ark capacity calculations are seriously flawed, and likely assume only mature animals. You obviously adhere to Darwinistic definitions of species rather than the "kinds" of the Bible.

Your insistence that there was no worldwide flood, but rather local floods, defeats God's sole purpose in bringing a flood - the destruction of mankind.

Your fixation on the word "earth" [erets] to justify your local flood theory is laughable.

---jerry6593 on 5/18/15


Trav, food for thought. Thanks.
---learner2 on 5/14/15

Spiritual food keeps us traveling. Historical food adds flavor, Science food some reasoning.
There was a Noah's Flood on a massive scale. Noah, whose lineage the Scriptures are written by, too and for.
1. Need 40+ arks to take all (presently known) animal life on the Ark + food + seven "clean" male and female.
2. "Global" Saline water kills most everything. Sterilizing every grass, weed, herb, flower, vine, tree, 200,000+ known species.
3. Insects 950,000 species killed. They require specialized food. They also are food in food chain.
4. 6 Civilizations histories walk through flood timeline. Ok. It was Noah's flood not theirs.
---Trav on 5/14/15


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Trav, food for thought. Thanks.
---learner2 on 5/14/15


Trav: So you believed the Bible account of the worldwide flood 18 years ago, but not now. What convinced you that the Bible was wrong? ---jerry6593 on 5/14/15

Ha.
I'll write down on your level just for you.
Space bar level. The Bible is not wrong.


Your doctrines are.

"erets" land, country, etc used over 1,600 times are the fundamental scriptural witnesses.

Speaking of help, i'm your doctor who can fix your multiple space bar/enter key tremors/trembling hands at the end of your post.


It is not a cute jeree signature, is an annoyance we all have to scroll through.


Something socially perverted about your (secret/ subconscious) need to want everyone do this.
---Trav on 5/14/15


What real difference does it make ...?
---learner2 on 5/13/15

If the Bible is not correct in one place then what value is the rest.
Old doctrines of world wide flood. Scriptures, science and history proves is incorrect.
So is Bible wrong? No the ignorant preceding century doctrines misinterpreting scripture made the errors.
If you teach your kid that sloths, anteaters every grass, weed, insect, lizard, snake, tree, herb were on the Ark but, science proves they could not have been...your children may have doubts about the rest of scripture.

In light of the available knowledge today it is important that our children have truth not doubt.
You asked this question...therein is an answer to the importance.
---Trav on 5/14/15


What real difference does it make as to whether or not the Bible is correct about the fiat Creation and the worldwide flood of Noah?
---learner2 on 5/13/15


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Trav: So you believed the Bible account of the worldwide flood 18 years ago, but not now. What convinced you that the Bible was wrong?

Do you also believe now in the Lyellian theory of geologic gradualism, and the Darwinian explanation of the origin of life forms?

When are you going to share one of your touted "proofs"?


And yes, your writing style is disjointed. Are you on some kind of medication?



---jerry6593 on 5/14/15


Trav: See what I mean?
---jerry6593 on 5/13/15

Ha. See you clearly. Your doctrines were me 18yrs ago. Done my work, answered my questions...for me. Not for you.
Good call on you part again. Avoiding what you have no answers for.

2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Pro_9:8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, he will love thee.

Love me yet Jerry?
---Trav on 5/13/15


Trav: See what I mean?


---jerry6593 on 5/13/15


Trav: Your writing style is so disjointed that I can't make out what you are trying to say.
If you have a specific scientific question, ...
---jerry6593 on 5/12/15

Disgusting.
You've actually shown you couldn't answer a problem immediately, so it's someone elses fault. Ha. Edifying to out you poser boys.
You've had years on here to address my hundred+ posts on the flood or Israel.
You couldn't then and you can't now. You won't in the future unless you ask Christ to open your eyes rather than your dog-ma's.
Do your homework/research first. Otherwise, you're still doing well to avoid me, as in your past, scientist. If you can't answer simple science questions.
Betting your a preacher too, right?
---Trav on 5/12/15


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Scientist suppose the age of the earth and how long it takes for things to happen.

They do this by looking at today and estimating backward. But even they admit things happened at different rates in the past. Which is why during my lifetime the age of the earth has changed at least three times.

Plus the fact that Scientist concluded that a mars size planet ran into our earth at just the right size, speed and angle to make the moon and double the size of the earth's core.

We cannot prove the flood or creation. But the idea it is all a very unlikely happy coincidence does not make sense to me. I used to believe in evolution but when faced with it's flaws and contradictions I stopped believing.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/12/15


Trav:

You said: Your still railing in your confusion.

I just asked a simple question, yet you call it railing. Perhaps you need a new dictionary.

Ignoring the primary meaning (we are not building railroads here), its synonyms are:
fulminate, inveigh, castigate, rant, revile.

When have I done any of these things?

Therefore it was not false if he didn't, couldn't prove it was.

This is a logical non-sequitur. Fermat's Last Theorem tantalized mathematicians for centuries. They believed it was true but couldn't prove it. Then, recently somebody did. This theorem didn't suddenly become true with the proof. It was ALWAYS true, just nobody could say so for certain.
---StrongAxe on 5/11/15


Trav: Your writing style is so disjointed that I can't make out what you are trying to say. That is why I commented that it is similar to Kathr's. If you have a specific scientific question, please state it succinctly, without all the rubber ducky stuff mixed in. And be aware of any assumptions inherent in your theses, as I will likely attack them.

Blessings, Jerry


---jerry6593 on 5/12/15


Trav:
You talk of vast storehouses of proof.
---jerry6593 on 5/11/15

Scientist? Honored your claim, even in face of no proof/evidence/witness yourself.
And Even, when you remained hidden on previous flood facts or facts of Israel in scripture.
You could have responded, scientifically...your fear, self arrogance, doctrinal rubber ducky, wife, work or something inhibited you. Impression you've created.
Come on. Wanna play scientist sift this one. The amount of water on the earth during ur Global flood at say 5mi deep would equal what PSI globally.
Bonus verse:
Jer_33:20 Thus saith the LORD, If ye can break my covenant of the day, my covenant of the night, that there should not be day and night in their season,
---Trav on 5/11/15


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Trav: Rail? How so?
---StrongAxe on 5/8/15

Your still railing in your confusion.
He said my post was false.
He could/did not prove it.
Therefore it was not false if he didn't, couldn't prove it was.
Your circular rail-ing is not even logical. It's personal. You're got involved in something over your head (again), are embarrassed and now don't know where to quit. Do your X Y escape, you'll feel vindicated.
Deu_32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
Lam_3:31 For the Lord will not cast off for ever:
---Trav on 5/11/15


Trav: I've had my own points of disagreement with StrongAxe, but I've never known him to rail. He is one of the more Christlike contributors.

You talk of vast storehouses of proof. Perhaps you could share some with us. As a Christian and a scientist, I will accept both biblical and scientific proofs. But, I will test them thoroughly, as truth can stand any amount of scrutiny.


---jerry6593 on 5/11/15


Trav:

You said: I've done you no wrong yet you rail

Rail? How so? I merely point out flaws in logic - such as your claim: Only false if you can prove it is. Which you failed to prove.

I totally agree with: Truth is always free and desirable. (Well, the second part anyway, as discovering truth often requires a lot of work, which explains the large amount of disinformation out there, as many people are too lazy to search for the real truth).
---StrongAxe on 5/8/15


Trav:
You said: If you can "prove" something false...it is false.
If you can "prove" something is true it is truth.
Exactly!
---StrongAxe on 5/8/15

Scripture, History, Science and Math prove my points. Thousands of witnesses.
He claimed false with no proof.
You claim unknown...but, have never done any research work to find out.
You're doubt doesn't make "truth found" false.
I've posted free witnesses for your doubt and any others after doing my work. Making yours easier. I've done you no wrong yet you rail at me. In your "doubts". If you knew truth you would be a unifying brother. Or if you knew different you'd be a concerned brother. Be a brother.
---Trav on 5/8/15


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Trav:

You said: If you can "prove" something false...it is false.

If you can "prove" something is true it is truth.


Exactly! But if you CAN'T prove it's truth and you CAN'T prove it's false, it MAY be either, you just can't be sure which.

YOU were the one who said Only false if you can prove it is. Which you failed to prove.

Something may be truth or false without being provably true or false. Not being provable doesn't change whether they are true or not.
---StrongAxe on 5/8/15


Trav:
If would be correct if you said Only PROVABLY false if you can prove it is.
---StrongAxe on 5/6/15

If you can "prove" something false...it is false.

If you can "prove" something is true it is truth.

He stated "false" with no proof.
He should have said "probably false" because he didn't know.
Maybe to scared or perhaps to lazy research all known resources of language, and all history to back his attack or defense.
He may be afraid of what he will find. Its common mark and excuse among Christians, the great "unknown". We'll call it, "The Great Excuse".
"Probably" implys an element of doubt until proven or dis-proven.
---Trav on 5/7/15


Trav:

You said: Only false if you can prove it is. Which you failed to prove.

This is a logical fallacy. If would be correct if you said Only PROVABLY false if you can prove it is. The two are similar, but not identical.

The statement "Queen Elizabeth once owned a unicorn" is obviously false, but not as easy to actually PROVE false.
---StrongAxe on 5/6/15


Jerry, you are right again, as usual.
---learner2 on 5/6/15


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Trav and I will probably disagree on this til...
...Noah's Flood to be around 2350BC,...
Egypt has also been mentioned to "march through" that time period,...
---micha9344 on 5/5/15

Only false if you can prove it is. Which you failed to prove. Truth is always free and desirable.
Egypt, the 5th Dynasty, began about 2,465 BCE, followed by 6th Dynasty (2,323 BCE), which ruled to about 2000 BCE. This time-period is well-documented. There was no water break during the 5th Dynasty at the time of Noah's flood, 2,345 BCE, nation remained strong during these dynasties.
3114 or 3113 B.C.
Maya Long Count calendar cycle started 5,125.36 years ago, Aug. 13, 3114 B.C. Culture may be 11,000yrs old.
---Trav on 5/6/15


Then why was God incarnate and known as Jesus if all we needed was the Bible?
Cluny


Good point, Cluny. Jesus was the Word of God, right? And the Bible is called the Word of God, right? Then Jesus and the Bible are the same thing, Right?

However, I agree with Cluny on this. If all we needed was the Bible, we would not have needed Jesus.

Richa,
The Born Again Buddhist,
Saved by the grace of God,
and totally in love with Jesus!
---richa8957 on 5/6/15


Egypt has also been mentioned to "march through" that time period,
Gen 10:6-20
---micha9344 on 5/5/15

Many more civilizations whose History is recorded. But, then original scripture doesn't say a "Global World" was flooded.
Chinese history begins nearly 3,000 BCE. Shu-King historic record of China, shows that King Yao came to the throne in 2356 BCE and ruled China for many years after the your "global" flood.
The hebrew word "erets" for "earth" is used over 1,600 times means "land", "country". Your doctrine creates a fantastic lie, by 19th century ignorance that cannot be supported scripturally, historically, mathematically or scientifically.
---Trav on 5/6/15


/Civilizations marched right through the doctrinal flood denoms try to pull off.
Mayans being one.\-Trav on 5/5/15
This is still a false statement. Trav and I will probably disagree on this til the return of our Lord and Savior.
The Mayans are only dated back to around 1800BC or so.
Given the generally recognized date for Noah's Flood to be around 2350BC, this group hardly marches through that period.
The Mayans with their ziggurats show that they came from the dispersion due to the tower of Babel.
Egypt has also been mentioned to "march through" that time period, but Egypt (Heb. Mizraim) was the grandson of Noah. Children of Ham dispersed south after the tower of Babel.
Gen 10:6-20
---micha9344 on 5/5/15


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... between the creation and the flood ... people... spreading from Spitzbergen to Tierra del Fuego.
---learner2 on 5/3/15

Civilizations marched right through the doctrinal flood denoms try to pull off.
Mayans being one.
Was a Noah flood on a grand scale. But, most denominations and(science types)reject anything less than Global. Can't tolerate they may not have descended from Noah. Or tolerate any scriptural mention the entire nation of Israel notably. Jealousy. Ignore or hide Israel ... then they replace them. Crazy logic but, seen daily.
Amo_9:9 For, lo, I will command, I will sift the house of Israel ... not the least grain fall upon the earth.
Eze_34:6 My sheep wandered...none did search or seek after them.
---Trav on 5/5/15


learner: "Jerry, just a guess."

Gee, that's the same scientific approach Darwin used!



---jerry6593 on 5/5/15


Jerry, just a guess.
---learner2 on 5/4/15


learner: "Billions of people before the flood"????

Where did you get your data?



---jerry6593 on 5/4/15


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\\the Bible is where we find all that we need to know about God from the beginning.\\ "Then why was God incarnate and known as Jesus if all we needed was the Bible?" This is not an attempt to answer for Rita. I would simply like to address that question. Cluny "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin, and the wages of [or payment for] sin is death." The book, the Bible, obviously could not accomplish either of those requirements. It was simply written to informed us of what would be accomplished, and by whom. I believe that anyone that has any knowledge of Father's salvation plan recognizes, and will quickly acknowledge that fact.
---joseph on 5/4/15


Obviously, in the 1600 years between the creation and the flood billions of people populated the world spreading from Spitzbergen to Tierra del Fuego.
---learner2 on 5/3/15


Thanks Jerry, that's good to hear AND in answer to someone else...the bible is where I hear about Jesus. Without the bible I would not have known what He had to say about His Father.
---Rita_H on 5/3/15


Hi Rita: No, I have no doubts at all about the authenticity of the scriptural record. You will find that some who claim to be Christians do actually buy into Darwin's fairy tale. I was once on that side after years of indoctrination in a State University. But conversion to Christ caused me to thoroughly investigate the underlying science in the Darwinian paradigm. I found it to be woefully inaccurate, and the best scientific data to support the Bible.


---jerry6593 on 5/3/15


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\\the Bible is where we find all that we need to know about God from the beginning.\\

Then why was God incarnate and known as Jesus if all we needed was the Bible?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/1/15


The order and decree of the Creation (fiat) must be correct because the Bible is where we find all that we need to know about God from the beginning.

If we are to doubt it's authenticity we might just as well give up right now.

A multitude of things foretold in the Old Testament came to pass which we read about in the New Testament so I am not left in doubt at all. I hope you are not either Jerry.
---Rita_H on 5/1/15


Seems this gets rehashed every three weeks or so.

How far over the planet had people and animals spread from the Creation to the Flood?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/1/15


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