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What Are God's Laws

Exactly which laws does God call "My Laws" that He writes on our hearts in the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10 and 10:16)?

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AEL "the WOMAN" did give birth to Jesus Christ. This is why Israel is called the WIFE of the Lord. "UNTO US A CHILD IS BORN, UNTO US A CHILD IS GIVEN" Kathr

Kathr,

Where was the child born?

And the child when born was with who, Mary or Isreal?
---Ruben on 5/12/15


Yes Kathr Christ alone did pay the penalty for breaking the law. Is this Commandment done away with:

Deuternomy 6:5
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Paul wrote. Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

You never answer this verse.

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

You say fulfil means destroy. Which makes this verse contradict itself.

Are we to be living in sin? I have shown you that love leads to obey. Romans 13. Why do you say we are supposed to disobey the Ten Commandments?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/12/15


... paying the penalty for our transgression ....
... to save us from the penalty of our sins.
---jerry6593 on 5/12/15

Whose transgression, penalty?
So now you you are Israel? The only ones given the Laws?

Gal_4:5 To redeem them that were under the law,...
1Ch_16:17 hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, to Israel for an everlasting covenant,
Rom_9:4 Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, the promises,
You and Samuel should cease your attempts at teaching. You can't even acknowledge the people connected to the "Law".
Luk_16:17 it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
---Trav on 5/12/15


Jerry, the statutes and ordinances were a burden placed on the flesh of man point to sin, showing man they are a sinners, a schoolmaster to bring one to Christ. BUT after faith has come, there is no need for the school master. The LAW is not of faith Jerry. You said you believe Jesus fulfilled the 10 commandments and that you mean fulfilling the Law. Then you say He is now fulfilling the 10 commandments in you.....EXACTLY how is Jesus FULFILLING the 10 commandments IN YOU? You can't separate the statutes and ordinances from the 10. All 613 including the 10 are called statutes and ordinances, that were nailed to the cross. Why were they nailed to,the cross Jerry? Because CHRIST alone fulfilled the penalty of breaking the Law.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/15


/Will someone please state exactly which laws God calls "My Laws" that He writes on our hearts in the New Covenant...?\-jerry6593 on 5/12/15
It has been posted. but you do not agree, so you will not listen.
Pro 15:31 The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise.
Pro 18:15 The heart of the prudent getteth knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeketh knowledge.
Pro 13:14 The law of the wise [is] a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.
2Co 3:6 ...ministers of the new testament, not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
---micha9344 on 5/12/15




Amen Jerry

Rom 13:8,9

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Here Paul list five of the Ten Commandments.

Ephesians 6:2
Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,)

This is the fifth Commandment.

Rock of Ages be of sin the double cure. Make me whole and make me pure.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/12/15


Kathr: "Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the Law, that is DEATH, and DIED in our place. This was the fulfilling of the LAW."

FINALLY!!! Amen! At last you get it. Jesus didn't fulfill the law by erasing, destroying, or eliminating the Ten Commandments. He fulfilled the law by paying the penalty for our transgression of it - that is - the second death. If the 10C Law could be made of none effect (i.e., we are not subject to it), then no penalty would need fulfilling, and Christ need not have died. But it IS still in effect, and we still need Jesus to save us from the penalty of our sins.


---jerry6593 on 5/12/15


Will someone please state exactly which laws God calls "My Laws" that He writes on our hearts in the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10 and 10:16)?


---jerry6593 on 5/12/15


Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh,.

Rubin, yes Mary was Jesus earthly mother. But Mary is not the WIFE of God. This verse above clarifies that Mary was of the seed of David according to the flesh. No NT writer ever exalts Mary. The last we hear of her was in the upper room waiting for the Holy Spirit with 100 others. Even the last verses in Revelation refer to Jesus as the root and offspring of David. AND Hebrews 2, of the seed of Abraham.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/15


ISRAEL "the WOMAN" did give birth to Jesus Christ. This is why Israel is called the WIFE of the Lord. "UNTO US A CHILD IS BORN, UNTO US A CHILD IS GIVEN" Kathr

Are you saying Mary did not give birth to Jesus Christ?? Really...

You wrote///This is why Israel is called the WIFE of the Lord. ////

The wife but not the Mother of the Lord Mary is call many times the Mother of Jesus!!!!
---Ruben on 5/11/15




/...Ten Commandments which deal with love in action towards GOD and towards our neighbor.\-Samuelbb7 on 5/11/15
The Decalogue is not "love in action."
"Thou shalt not" is not action, it is inaction.
"Thou shalt rest" is not action.
Matt 25:31+ is love in action.
The "ministration of death written in stones" is at best apathetic.
The good Samaritan is a prime example of the difference between "thou shalt not kill" and "love thy neighbor."
The Decalogue starts toward the goal, but never makes it. That is why Jesus pulled 2 commands from the so-called "Law of Moses" and placed them over the so-called "Law of God."
---micha9344 on 5/11/15


Insulting a person Trav proves nothing.
Roman...
---Samuelbb7 on 5/11/15

It did this time.
Paul is your messiah, not mine.
Your denom pal slurs/trampled the intent and integrity of the New Covenant laws.
Discussion? Hand him corn, he rends the hand.
Neither of you being open to discuss specific intent of Heb 8:8-10 scripture, precept, upon precept.
The Pearl/dog/swine scripture was Christ's. Applicable where it applies. Christ words are always far greater than your misapplications of paul.
I've posted scriptural pearls, drawing Jerry ire for a long time.
Christ's scripture covered ... his lack of "laws" in his heart. You both got the answer he sarcastically trampled for.
---Trav on 5/11/15


Insulting a person Trav proves nothing.

But going back to the original point.

The law of love is written our our hearts. Love GOD love thy neighbor. Then these two are further expounded on as the Ten Commandments which deal with love in action towards GOD and towards our neighbor.

Roman 13. 3:31

Those who love others are kind and respectful.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/11/15


... define exactly which "law" is now written on their heart.

Nicole: Keen observation that Kathryn and Trav...
---jerry6593 on 5/9/15

Dear Rendercella. If you can't understand, see or hear scripture then you couldn't, wouldn't believe any recipient of it. Recipient give their pearls to a hog or dog?
Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, turn again and rend you.
Thank you...kathr works hard to understand, something not seen in you.
You're only keen to put a division between us. I'm O.k. with that.
Exo_8:23 I will put a division between my people and thy people: ...
Luk_12:51... Nay, but rather division:
---Trav on 5/11/15


The only time we actually read of a queen in the book of Revelation is in Rev. 18:7: Give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, "I sit as queen, I am not a widow, and I will never mourn."
The context of that verse is Babylon the great, which gets destroyed in one hour! Mary is never shown in the Scriptures to be Queen of heaven. The only Queen of Heaven mentioned in Scripture was in Jeremiah's day who was an idolatrous stumbling block to souls. Jeremiah 7:18, 44:17-25
---kathr4453 on 5/11/15


Well Kathyr I agree the women is Israel. Not Mary. The twelve stars represent the twelve tribes. Again agree.

The child is Jesus who was caught up to heaven.

In the Old Testament Israel is often called and referred to as a women.

Jeremiah 3:6
The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.

However I also believe the women represents the Church. For after the birth the Dragon Satan tries to kill her. Which is still going on today.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/11/15


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Ruben, the next verses are not about Mary, but Israel. The Woman is Israel, and the 12 stars are the 12 tribes of Israel, the sun and moon represent Jacob and Rachael. Go back and read what Jacob said to Joseph .....ALL told us in Genesis, re Joseph's dream. ISRAEL "the WOMAN" did give birth to Jesus Christ. This is why Israel is called the WIFE of the Lord. "UNTO US A CHILD IS BORN, UNTO US A CHILD IS GIVEN"

So now that we know who THAT WOMAN is, without a doubt. To read ALL of Rev 12 to the end clearly show it is not Mary.
---kathr4453 on 5/11/15


Sorry Nicole, you are guessing because of what you read in old testiment. The bible never even suggest mary is queen of heaven. Mary was a Godly virgin that God used to birth our savior. You are spreading things that is not biblical.
---shira4368 on 5/10/15


Shira, I gave Scriptures on another blog. But I will explain again. Please keep your mind open if you truly wish to understand.

NEVER NEVER has a woman of Israel married to a king of Israel was queen. Even Jezebel isn't called queen. 1 King 16:31 Jezebel, daughter of Ethbaal, king of the Sidonians.
Queen Ester is married to a pagen.
1 King 2:19 Then he (Solomon) sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for THE KING'S MOTHER, who sat at his right. Only kings and queens sit on thrones.
So logically Bathsheba became queen.
No merits of Bathsheba did she became queen, but solely because her son is king.

So if Jesus is your KING, your KING can make HIS mother queen as Solomon did.
JESUS IS KING!
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/10/15


The Ark is no longer something we should be concerned with:

Jer 3:16:
And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the Lord, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the Lord: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it, neither shall they visit it, neither shall that be done any more.
---StrongAxe on 5/9/15

Strongaxe,

Then what did the author of Rev mean?

"Then God's temple was opened....the ark of his covenant" Notice it says the ark of HIS covenant, it is not the OT ark then what or who is it? The next few verses tell you:)
---Ruben on 5/10/15


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Kathr, stop playing games. You said you gave me plenty of Scriptures. I asked you to REPOST the so called Scriptures you gave because you and I both know YOU DIDN'T.
Now you ask do you really have to give me Scriptures???

Understand this, I asked to REPOST the previous Scriptures you gave. Not new ones.

Don't make a false statment and refuse to give proof.
Shut me up with the REPOSTING because I don't wish to continue a debate with someone who picks up their ball goes home when they are mad.

Play the game or leave me alone.

AGAIN REPOST. That's what I am asking.
Thank you
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/10/15


Strongeaxe, I am not surprised you have never heard of Mary being considered as the new Ark.
My grandmother was a Baptist and only expected plain stright forward writing from the Bible.
But, we Catholic read and mediate the on Bible and Traditions that came from the Father's of the Church for 2000 years.
You can google 'Mary' the new ark of the conventant and find out who came with the concept.
The Bible isn't a one time book to read. As you know you can read the same verse for 20 years and discover another meaning from it on the 21st year of reading it. 2 Samuel ch 6/7 compare with Luke ch 1.
Try to see the similar actions of movements of the OLD ARK and MARY with JESUS as the new Conventant still inside Mary's womb.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/10/15


Nicole_Lacey:

You said: Grow up and debate with Scripture not your throughts.

The Ark is no longer something we should be concerned with:

Jer 3:16:
And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the Lord, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the Lord: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it, neither shall they visit it, neither shall that be done any more.
---StrongAxe on 5/9/15


Nicole, please give book and verse where mary is the ark or even queen of heaven. No such thing is found in my KJV.
---shira4368 on 5/10/15


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Nicole. I give BOOK, chapters... I guess I just assumed you have read the Bible and KNOW what is in the Books and Chapters. You DO know the verses about Noah and the ARK??? If not Nicole, and if you are really a novice in the scriptures, I do apologize for assuming you know your Bible. Do I really have to put the verses down when I ask you to read the 7 letters in Rev? Or Hebrews? And the scriptures you have posted show NOTHING and say NOTHING about any NEW ARK. Just verses you seem to think or have been told mean this or that. The ARK is Christ Nicole. And those IN THE ARK, or IN CHRIST ....it's what a TYPE MEANS, are saved. No one is IN MARY.
So here is the problem.....
But with that problem Nicole, you should not be debating
---kathr4453 on 5/10/15


SEEING IS BELIEVING! Kathr, scoll down and pull the PLENTY OF SCRIPTURE YOU GAVE. NOT

Pull it up, Trav 2,

If I gave made up Scriptures then your Bible is made up.

Grow up and debate with Scripture not your throughts.

Prove me wrong. Please. Remember, pull up the plenty of Scriptures since you are so good at copying my words and reposting it.
Repost your Scriptures you claim you gave.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/9/15


Nicole_Lacey:

You said, several times: Mary is the New Ark of the Convenant.

I know that this may seem to be an intriguing and novel theory, but I have never in my entire life heard anyone else but you suggest it. Can you cite anyone else, other than you, who believes or teaches this?
---StrongAxe on 5/9/15


Nicole, I've given plenty of scripture. You make up scripture. Please find any verse saying NEW ARK. It's not there. You workshop Mary, pray to Mary and say she is the Queen of Heaven. And then you have the audacity to say this is in scripture. Nicole, it's only in your head, and what you have been taught. However, there are those in the RCC who reject your theory that Mary is the NEW ARK. There is no need for a NEW ark, anymore than a NEW Tabernacle. Everything in theTabernacle, ARK pointed to Jesus Christ. There is nothing typing Mary with the Ark. It's you who say, " it's so Because I say so" ...with no backup whatsoever. Even the ARK that held Noah and family, also a type of Christ has nothing whatsoever pointing to Mary.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/15


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Kathr, Just like you don't the Bible when you read it, you don't understand other people's statements.

Read it again, but slowly.
Strongaxe made a statement and it caused me to mediate on Scripture a concern why but not the why Strongaxe suggested. So, I gave my views backed up with SCRIPTURE. (unlike you. you just make comments because you think we are your children and have to take your word for it. Sorry, I can read thank you)

Mary is the New Ark of the Convenant.
Jesus is the Convenant replacing the old Convenant in the old ark.

Mary carried Jesus (new convenant) just like the Ark carried the old convenant (10 commandments, manna and Arron's staff.

Get it now?
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/9/15


Jerry, it appears you don't get it. The LAW pointing to SIN demanded DEATH. So if the Law written in your heart is broken, DEATH is still required. This is why so many believe we can lose our salvation. Being put to death every time we sin, and having to get saved over and over. Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the Law, that is DEATH, and DIED in our place. This was the fulfilling of the LAW. NOW the LAW of the Spirit of the life of Christ is written in our hearts. If you understood 2 Corinthians 3, even from verse 1 you would get it. The LAW is not changing you from GLORY TO GLORY by the Spirit of the Lord. Because the LAW dealt with the flesh. No FLESH is being changed from Glory to Glory. But maybe you believe your flesh is?
---kathr4453 on 5/9/15


In the Old Testament David sinned. But he didn't die because the Grace of GOD. When a person committed a sin. They did not die because by the sacrifice of an animal grace was extended to them. Samuelbb7 on 5/8/15

Samuel, David was under the Davidic Covenant. Saul wasn't and died. And to say no one was stoned under the LAW because the blood of bulls and goats covered them is not true. We even see Stephen stoned because they believed he was breaking the Law....the first commandment. Even those who came out of Egypt who also sacrificed, died in their SIN in the wilderness. I'm sure they kept the Law Samuel, .....but they died in their SIN because they lacked FAITH to enter a PROMISE given them.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/15


Nicole, I'm so glad you agree with StrongAxe that Mary is NOT the New Ark of the covenant.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/15


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Strongaxe, I like your statement.
Matthew 5:17 Do not think I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I come to not to abolish but to fulfill.-10 Commandments.

John 6:32-33"Amen, amen, I say to you it was not Moses who gave the bread from heaven, my Father gives you the TRUE bread from heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down (Jesus) from heaven and gives life to the world.- Manna in the ark

Arron's staff- High Priest Exodus ch 28 and 29,
Exodus 14:16 Lift up your staff and,..that the israelites may pass through it on dry land.
John 10:7 "Amen, amen, I say to you, I am the gate for the sheep. V9 Whoever enters through me will be saved...
Deuteronomy 31:24-29 backs up your statment well.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/8/15


I am still waiting for someone who claims to be under the New Covenant to define exactly which "law" is now written on their heart.


Nicole: Keen observation that Kathryn and Trav show similarities in style.


The Ark of the Covenant, capped by the Mercy Seat, is an earthly representation of God's throne in Heaven. The stone tablets of the Ten Commandment Law is the foundation of His government of justice (as in any lawful government). By mixing mercy (grace) with justice, God's character is represented.


---jerry6593 on 5/9/15


Nicole, firstly, you are a little overbearing with your personal attacks. So lose the attitude and stop accusing me or anyone for that matter of being LIKE THIS OR LIKE THAT and we'll talk.

Secondly, everything made through Moses re tabernacle, Ark etc, was AFTER a pattern that was in heaven. Explained in Hebrews. NOW young lady, Mary was not in heaven nor is she eternal as is God from the beginning. Jesus took on the seed of ABRAHAM Hebrews 2, Mary of the seed of David, where no immaculate conception could be possible.

The Mercy seat is the seat where SALVATION COMES FROM. We are saved through the the Blood of Jesus Christ, .....not Mary's. Mary did not die for anyone's sin. Mary is herself a saved sinner.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/15


To continue Nicole, ...AFTER the Temple was built, the ARK was kept IN THE TEMPLE. Who is the Temple Nicole? Well scripture says Jesus is. Jesus said He was the temple, ..and if it were torn down, would be built in 3 days, referring to His own death and resurrection. Mary was not some little box kept in Jesus.
You see in Rev the first 7 letters, re the HIDDEN MANNA. Who and where do you say that comes from? Mary? Arron's rod that budded....again is the fruit of the Spirit, comes from .....NOT MARY!

Your false religion wants to totally strip Jesus of ALL that is HIS, and make Mary His equal????? Co- redeemer? And all the 1000 Titles not even found in scripture you give Mary? BLASPHEMY!
---kathr4453 on 5/9/15


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Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost,

So it says Nicole. I have no idea what all that babel was about ..re someone more merciful than Jesus? Someone who sits on the throne next to Jesus? Hopefully you are referring to the Father. No one can come to the Father except through His Son. We come boldly to,the throne of GRACE to find help and mercy in time of need. We come to the FATHER through Jesus Christ ONLY. There is no Mary sitting on any throne, no Mary who hears prayers.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/15


Nicole_Lacey:

You said: So, truly Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant since she carried Jesus and He is the New Covenant in Person.

With the original Ark, the tablets with the ten commandments were put inside and never removed, as their work had already been accomplished.

With Mary, Jesus came out of her, with all of his work yet to come.

These seem like very different situations.
---StrongAxe on 5/8/15


Kathr you are acting like Trav.
Saying she isn't because you said so only applies to your children.

Jesus is the Mercy Seat?
So who is sitting in the Chair more merciful than Jesus?

That's like saying Jesus is the righteous throne with another King besides Jesus.

Matthew 19:28b..when the Son of Man is seated on His Throne of glory, ...

Matthew 23:2b."The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses.

Now is Jesus calling them Moses or confused? No

AGAIN, PLEASE address the question. Why Mary isn't the ark and according to you, and Jesus is not the covenant But a box made of gold? REALLY?
Gold is a created thing not Jesus.

Please don't pull a Trav on me.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/8/15


Samuel, both you and Nicole are doing the same thing. She says there is a NEW Ark,- Mary. There is only one Ark. Jesus flesh is the Ark, not Mary's flesh. The wood covered in Gold . The wood foreshadowed Jesus flesh, the Gold His Deity. Jesus IS the Mercy seat, not Mary.

These bate and switch games are quite clever.

There too is only ONE LAW, not a NEW LAW. The LAW was never transferred to GRACE, or is there such a thing as a gracious LAW, where now you can break it and get off Scott free. Everything our first Adam is is SIN. There are sins not even listed in the 10 commandments. What is not of faith is sin. Yet no where in the 10 commandments is the demand for faith even mentioned. Why, because the law is NOT of faith.
---kathr4453 on 5/8/15


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Kathyr your analogy doesn't make sense.

In the Old Testament David sinned. But he didn't die because the Grace of GOD. When a person committed a sin. They did not die because by the sacrifice of an animal grace was extended to them.

All I say is that is still sin. That when we sin we are to go Jesus.

1John 2:1

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

The law tells what sin is only. It does not save us. JESUS saves.

Do you know the words to Rock of Ages? Or On Christ the Solid Rock I stand. These old hymns teach truth. Your own words show that you know the truth. We are to not live in sin.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/8/15


Nicole, Mary is NOT the NEW Ark of the covenant..... And even if their was, Mary is not it.--kathr4453

Just you saying IT IS NOT doesn't quite cut it. Sorry, nothing personal.

Let's think this out logically. Put all your bias aside.

Jesus said He is the New covenant. Luke 20:20, Matthew 26:28, Mark 14:24.

We have the Old Testament and now the New Testament

The Ark of the Covenant is in hiding.
I already explained why Mark is the New Ark. Remember the Ark not the Covenant. Don't get them confused.
Because you all get Mother of God confused. Changing the word 'of' to 'is'.

So give rationale why Mary isn't the new Ark instead of saying she isn't.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/8/15


Samuel, you do not uphold GRACE. You wipe grape jelly all over it, and pass it off as a NEW LAW. No where does it say the LAW ever stopped being the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH.

Let's say under the Old Covenant you need to wear a belt to UPHOLD your pants. If you failed to wear one, Woops, and death results. Now let's say under the NEW covenant no belt is required. WHY, because we now wear a newly designed garment where there are no pants. So now our focus is not trying to UPHOLD pants that are not there, but rather focused in growing up into Him, being conformed to His image. The "flesh" needed a belt to uphold fleshly pants, but now that my flesh has been crucified, why do I need to uphold my pants on a dead man?
---kathr4453 on 5/8/15


So, truly Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant since she carried Jesus and He is the New Covenant in Person.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/8/15

Nicole, Mary is NOT the NEW Ark of the covenant. There is no such thing as a NEW Ark of the Covenant. And even if their was, Mary is not it.
---kathr4453 on 5/8/15


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many today believe that Christians TODAY are the Ark of the Covenant and the laws are placed into us. HUMMM! Iwonder if they know the word ark actually means coffin. So the Ark of the Covenant actually means coffin of the covenant.--kathr4453 on 5/7/15

No, the Ark of the Covenant is a carrier of the Covenant sealing God with Israel.
Staff of Arron (High Priest- Jesus now),

10 Commandments on Tablet (Word of God which is Jesus)

Manna (Jesus in John Ch6 stating He is true to food to eat and His blood is true drink.)

So, truly Mary is the new Ark of the Covenant since she carried Jesus and He is the New Covenant in Person.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/8/15


(Did Jesus then demand the woman taken in adultery keep the 10 C after He FORGAVE her? No, He said, "go and sin no more". kathr4453)

Sin no more means keep the Ten Commandments since breaking them is the definition of sin.

1John 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Which one of the Ten Commandments is it alright to break. Murder, adultery, lying, stealing, Coveting, worshipping idols, misusing GOD's name. Which of these is not a sin she was not supposed to do.

Romans 13:8,9
agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/8/15


Kathyr

I uphold Grace.

We are saved by Grace through faith in the blood of our Lord and Savior alone.

But we are not saved to live a life of sin and wantonness. Romans 6. Have you read all of first John?

I believe the Bible when it says Jesus is to be our Lord. That means He is in charge of my life. Jesus is the walking representative of love. Love leads us to keep the Ten Commandments because they are about loving GOD and loving others.

To break anyone of them is to show hate to GOD and hate to others. Which breaks the Two Great Commandments.

Yes the Pharisees were hypocrites. So today anyone who says they follow Jesus and live in hate is also.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/8/15


Jesus was hated by the Pharisees ...why? Because they accused Him of breakin the law for one thing. What Jesus was showing them was they no more understood the LAW than many today understand the LAW. He pointed out that they were hypocrites, who were also lawbreakers. Just as He did those who accused the women taken in adultery. We see a lot of the same here by Law keepers, judging and pointing fingers. Did Jesus then demand the woman taken in adultery keep the 10 C after He FORGAVE her? No, He said, "go and sin no more".
Did Jesus raise up Laz stating..."here is a perfect man who kept the 10 commandments, therefore I will raise him from the dead".
You seem to have missed His whole ministry of GRACE.
---kathr4453 on 5/8/15


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Leviticus 16:15 Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:


Samuel, The LAW was the Ministration of DEATH, just as 2 Corinthians 3 says. Did they ever rejoice in seeing any lambs rise from the dead? Of coarse not.....the law POINTED to sin year after year after year, all those lambs and goats killed, daily weekly monthly yearly...and could never TAKE away sin. That was also THE LAW. The LAW was FULFILLED In Christ. He, the Lamb of God who,takes away the sin of the world...ONCE and for all. Jesus points to LIFE, not death.
---kathr4453 on 5/8/15


Samuel, what I find about those who are so centered on the LAW, is that you think it's only just about the 10 commandments. The LAW of condemnation. The Law showing man how imperfect we are. The Law of sin and death. When John the Baptist saw Jesus he said, BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD. Just to reiterate, John did not say...BEHOLD the walking 10 commandments, who will now show you how to keep them. Jesus forgave the woman taken in adultery ....that BY LAW, should have been stoned. Moses came by Law, Jesus came by GRACE and TRUTH. John 1 SHOULD tell you along with many miracles, and forgiving sin, that Jesus was not the poster boy for the 10 Commandments demanding death RE, the woman taken in adultery.
---kathr4453 on 5/8/15


Kathyr Coffin is not a synonym for Coffin. The word Coffer is. The coffer is a chest for collecting offerings, money or valuables to keep them safe.

So your analogy is flawed.

You also ignore Scripture.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Read Psalms one. Do you think it is a false teaching that the Bible is lying.

1John 2:3

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/7/15


Cluny: Will you not answer one simple question? Do you have the 613 laws (your definition of "the law") written on your heart or not???...
---jerry6593 on 5/7/15

Saved from what?
He doesn't claim either House of Israel. He doesn't seek Israel. He may or may not be. Are you? Heb 8:10.

He can and does show the extent of light he has learned to this point in his life.
Luk_2:32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
Mat_1:21 ...for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat_15:24 ...sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Luk_19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Rom_11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved:
---Trav on 5/7/15


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many today believe that Christians TODAY are the Ark of the Covenant and the laws are placed into us. HUMMM! Iwonder if they know the word ark actually means coffin. So the Ark of the Covenant actually means coffin of the covenant.

Also Hebrews 8 and 10 say....AND I WILL REMEMBER YOUR SIN AND INIQUITIES NO MORE. how could this be if the 10 Commandments are written in our heart constantly pointing to sin?

I believe the Law now written in our heart is 2 Cor 3.... Showing us when we died with Christ ..who by the way is the ARC, not us, we died to the Law to be married to another, raised up a new creature who is being changed from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/15


Cluny: Will you not answer one simple question? Do you have the 613 laws (your definition of "the law") written on your heart or not???

If not, then you are NOT under the New Covenant, and you are NOT saved!


---jerry6593 on 5/7/15


Matthew chapter 5 is fulfilling the 10 Commandments by Jesus.
Jesus said He didn't come to dismiss the Law but fulfill it.

All the 10 Commandments are in the New Testament.
Jesus is greater than Moses.

Moses got the 10 Commandments from Jesus' Father.

Jesus taught us how to live the 10 Commandments as the New Covenant.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/6/15


\\Cluny you should know that only recently have churches stated the Ten Commandments arn't for Christians.\\

I don't know any Christian Church that teaches that, but I'm not saying there are none.

Yes, I know the hymn "Be Thou my vision." I loved it as a child the one time we sang it in the Baptist Church where I was raised.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/15


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But even if you were correct, then do you claim to have 613 laws written on your heart? I think not.
Jerry


When God says He has written His law He means:

One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question:Matt 22:36 Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?

37 Jesus replied: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself.

This is the Law that God has written in our hearts.

Richa,
The Born Again Buddhist,
Saved by the grace of God,
and totally in love with Jesus!
---richa8957 on 5/6/15


True Jerry. Cluny you should know that only recently have churches stated the Ten Commandments arn't for Christians.

The RCC has said it is for Christians and is taught in their form in their Catechism. The Orthodox sites that I found all said they too teach the Ten Commandments are for the Church.

The Ceremonial laws that pointed to the first coming of Jesus and His Ministry are ended. But Murder is still a sin.

Michael is correct the words of the New Testament are commands of GOD to us. So when Jesus teaches us on how to keep the Sabbath we should obey along with the other nine.

We are not just to not do evil. We are to be doing good. Love goes above and beyond.

Read the Hymn. Be thou my Vision.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/6/15


\\I think this is the source of your willful ignorance. The term "the law" can have several meanings in the Bible, depending on context. God's 10C Law is clearly differentiated in the Bible from Moses "handwriting of ordinances".
\\

As I recall, the Decalogue was the only thing that God wrote by His own hand.

So, you, jerry, pick and choose which of God's laws you observe after all, don't you?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/15


1 Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
---michael_e on 5/5/15


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Cluny: ""Law" in the Bible refers to all 613 commandments, not just a few."

I think this is the source of your willful ignorance. The term "the law" can have several meanings in the Bible, depending on context. God's 10C Law is clearly differentiated in the Bible from Moses "handwriting of ordinances".

But even if you were correct, then do you claim to have 613 laws written on your heart? I think not.


---jerry6593 on 5/6/15


\\ I would think that the Decalogue would be the bare minimum, since love for God and love for one's neighbor summarize the Decalogue.
\\

Since when does God give us the bare minimum?

"Law" in the Bible refers to all 613 commandments, not just a few.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/15


9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

The Law brings one again into bondage, just as Galatians 4 clearly state.

Jesus was under the Law to redeem those under the Law, but I ask, how are those redeemed between Adam and Moses before the Law? Or Gentiles never under the Law?
---kathr4453 on 5/5/15


The New Covenant is about the Law of Faith, the Law of Liberty and the the LAW of the Spirit of the Life of Christ.
kathr4453

We agree Kathr4453. All the above laws point to the fact we are to keep the Ten Commandments.

Jamess 2:11,12
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Romans 13:8-10

Jesus kept and taught the Ten Commandments by life and actions.

Be Thou my Vision is a great Hymn.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/5/15


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Cluny: "You certainly don't think God's laws are limited to the Decalogue, do you?"

You claim to be under the new covenant, do you not? If so, then God has written His Law in your heart. Which of His laws are in your heart? I would think that the Decalogue would be the bare minimum, since love for God and love for one's neighbor summarize the Decalogue.


---jerry6593 on 5/5/15


Cluny wrote: "The Beatitudes, among others."

The Beatitudes are not the law.

The ultimate law if Love, as in the verb form which hangs the two laws jesus spoke of which hangs the ten commandments which hang all the laws of the fathers and prophets.

Jesus said: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." Which laws was he referring to since the NT was not created yet?

Romans 3:21
Romans 16:26
Luke 16:16
---Steveng on 5/4/15


Romans 8:2

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

This is the LAW that was written in my heart. This is also clarified again in the entire chapter of 2 Corinthians 3.
There are also verses concerning the LAW of faith. And The Perfect LAW of Liberty. So just because we see the word LAW, does not always mean the 10 commandments. The New Covenant is about the Law of Faith, the Law of Liberty and the the LAW of the Spirit of the Life of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/15


---micha8344 on 5/4/15 Exactly, absolutely, and Amen.
---joseph on 5/4/15


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Gravity is one of God's laws. There are others too.
---learner2 on 5/4/15


The 2 greatest Laws, of course.
The ones that proceed from the heart. The ones that produce and are part of the fruit of the Holy Spirit. The ones concerning life and not death. The ones concerning fellowship and not self. The ones that are positive in influence. The ones that are active and not passive.
God has put His ministration of death written in stone in all men, so they are without excuse. It points all men to Christ as a schoolmaster. Upon belief and repentance, the Holy Spirit takes up residence and the 2 royal laws of liberty are written in the heart, no longer trying to be righteous by the law, but filled with the Holy Spirit and yielding to God and His will through His Son, Christ Jesus.
---micha8344 on 5/4/15


The Jews only had PARTIAL God (Jehovah the creator), WE Spirit-filled Jesus worshipers have COMPLETE GOD (trinity, all three dispensations of God). We are to live the PERFECT LAW of freedom (with a heavenly spirit of our own).

The old IMPERFECT law was abolished. Since we don't live the perfect law of freedom, God considers us (the church of man) to be LAWLESS.

The modern church of man (the
church of GOD hung on the cross, John 2:19 and 21) has been taught many falsities (intentional or not) over the last 2,000 years and is the result/"son of") of all of those "PERDITIOUS" lies(the church of man is the son of perdition)

"Come out of her my people".
---faithforfaith on 5/4/15


Eph 2:15 by abolishing in his flesh

2Th 2:3 the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition,Jas 2:12 to be judged under the law of liberty.

Jhn 17:12 none of them is lost but the son of perdition
We need to WAKE UP! to the real truth of God"s MESSAGE about ETERNAL LIFE ("salvation" was accomplished 2,000 years ago, we need to make "ETERNAL LIFE" our goal).

This is the JESUS dispensation (He is the "Prince of Peace" of Isaiah 9:18 that also brought us the "WONDERFUL COUNSELOR"/Holy Spirit).

this is the AGE OF ETERNITY (the age of time ended when Jesus came( "He came at the end of the age to put away sin").
---faithforfaith on 5/4/15


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Okay, I'll bite.

Jesus told us all the law and prophets hang on two commandments: to love God with all ourselves and love our neighbor as ourselves (Matt 22:40). Paul told us that love was the fulfillment of the law (Rom 13:10). So love appears the answer.

Yet, Paul also tells the Corinthians they are a letter of Jesus, written by the Spirit onto his heart. (2 Cor 3:3). So is other people the answer?

No, but the love of other people is.

When we are received by God as sons and heirs, the love for God and the love of God are both written onto our hearts so that we know the right thing to do, by God's standard.

It is always other-centered self-sacrificing love.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/4/15


Romans Ch 14
God gives us inflections and other preferences that sometimes i will obey and other people will not obey. However, they are still God's laws for me. This does not include something God has flat out said not to do like sexual immorality and the like.
---Scott1 on 5/4/15


The Beatitudes, among others.

You certainly don't think God's laws are limited to the Decalogue, do you?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/4/15


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