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To those of you with children - some of whom are saved and some unsaved - how big a difference does this make to your relationship with each one of them?

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Trav:

I said: Politicians commonly declare their opinions ....just to curry favor of voters.
You said: Curried you guys favors is correct.

Just who is "you guys"? By excluding yourself, are you implying that I am a voter and you are not? Because politicians (like advertisers) ply everybody, and don't particularly care whether their message reaches people who listen to their message or no, figuring that enough will to make a difference.

It's a perverse defense you maintain.

What is perverse? Be specific. I commented about presidential power had any legal relationship to the legality of abortion), not whether abortion is right. That is a different topic. Read up on logical fallacies.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/15


Trav:
You said: Your fight is lost with scripture not me.
Politicians commonly declare their opinions ....just to curry favor of voters.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/15

Curried you guys favors is correct.

It's a perverse defense you maintain.
There is no scriptural example or logic for it. Only disclose more of yourself each post. What you don't abhor...you embrace. What you defend is a sign about you.

Psa_36:4 He deviseth mischief upon his bed, he setteth himself in a way that is not good, he abhorreth not evil.
Isa_5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
---Trav on 5/19/15


Trav:

You said: Your fight is lost with scripture not me.

Yet scripture has examples of female leadership, as I mentioned.

Peter said: abortions are not a presidential matter.

You said: Are you from this country? Candidates stated their platform positions, for or against.

Legalized abortion in the U.S.A. was instituted by the Supreme Court, in their decision on Roe vs. Wade. Short of a constititutional amendment on the issue (and good luck with that), presidents have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Politicians commonly declare their opinions on subjects they have no power to control, or pass laws they know are unconstitutional and will be overturned, just to curry favor of voters.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/15


... abortions are not a presidential matter.
---Peter on 5/16/15

Are you from this country? Candidates stated their platform positions, for or against.
You did also, in your "justifications".
Your error is you understood exactly what I said, in English you were personally stung by. Presuming by tone of your comment, is that you also voted for this "pro-choice" la poser presidente.
Justifying his position as a publicly acknowledged, pro-choice candidate.
Who has not spoken against, killing 8,464,000 million future people.

Juda$, personally didn't kill our Lord either.
He ju$t couldn't $ee pa$t hi$ pur$e...until it wa$ too late.
---Trav on 5/18/15


Trav:
I fail to see how this has anything to do with female leadership, which is the point under contention.
---StrongAxe on 5/15/15

No contention in scripture. Scripture overwhelms your contentions.
Your fight is lost with scripture not me.
I personally love women. Women who love being women.
Women that love for men to take the roles of men.

It is a beautiful scriptural order for both. You seek to break the order. Weird. It is a mark upon you and your p.c. buddy.

1. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, David, Solomon, all prophets were men.
2. Christ was a man, all the Apostles were men.
3. Quit ducking, whining, avoiding your birthright, Cowboy up, and be a man.
---Trav on 5/18/15




Trav:

You said: Judge? Condemn? Only GOD does that. I rebuke his unscriptural man-stand by his own post.

So what, exactly, does this mean? Does God condemn female leadership? How about the Queen of Sheba, or Priscilla? or Esther?

Isa 3:9.

I fail to see how this has anything to do with female leadership, which is the point under contention.

Meanwhile, yet another blog thread hijacked into an endless "i am right in judging you on the flimsiest of evidence" argument. Are you capable of reasoned discussion on any subject, without constantly changing the subject into mostly unsubstantiated personal attacks?
---StrongAxe on 5/15/15


Trav on 5/13/15: 'He voted for Abortions per year: 1.058 million'

On that statement, you speak what you do not mean.

No-one voted for abortions, because abortions are not a presidential matter. What you probably mean is that he did not do ALL that could to prevent abortions.

But even that is not enough, for even in the presidency of pro-life presidents, abortions continued. It was just that some presidents tried more to stop abortions.

On that post, your real problem is that you do not understand English well enough.
---Peter on 5/16/15


Trav:
Cluny said: I have no personal objections to a woman president...
But you are so quick to judge and condemn based on one single line of text,...
---StrongAxe on 5/13/15

Judge? Condemn? Only GOD does that. I rebuke his unscriptural man-stand by his own post.
The post are double minded, politically correct.

Same people...very visible familar errors below.
Isa_3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
Isa 3:9...they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.
---Trav on 5/15/15


Trav:

Cluny said: I have no personal objections to a woman president...

This does not, in any way, imply favoritism towards Hillary Clinton. Remember Sarah Palin? If you voted Republican, you voted for her as vice-president.

I voted for the Democratic candidate,(obama) even though I'm strongly pro-life,....

That was only in the primary, where he chose Obama over Hillary (as the lesser of two evils). But you are so quick to judge and condemn based on one single line of text, much like those who create doctrine by cherry picking scriptures, rather than investigating their larger context.
---StrongAxe on 5/13/15


Trav, what good does it do to quote hundreds of scriptures, but tell lies about me?
Henceforth, you're dead to me.
---Cluny on 5/12/15

Well the scriptures I've posted for years never bonded us as brothers. Neither the few you have.
Scriptural precept opportunity's were there your eyes, ears and heart wasn't.
Lies?
How are questions lies? The questions appear to hit too close to the truth.
You're comments and posts led to my sincere/provoking questions that "you" laid groundwork for by your defenses of PC liberal statements.
Dead.
Even with that said, I care about you (like we do mixed up people)and still care regardless in ur provoking of "orthodox" and protestant errors.
---Trav on 5/13/15




Trav:
Where do you get this stuff?
We are brothers in Christ.
---StrongAxe on 5/12/15

Let see his PC liberal post:

//...I have no personal objections to a woman president...
---Cluny on 11/14/14//

//.. I voted for the Democratic candidate,(obama) even though I'm strongly pro-life,....
---Cluny on 11/16/14//

So StrongAxe, by his own words e took a stand voting for a "less harmful poser" whose platform stand was/is abortion, racism, perversion promotion. He voted for Abortions per year: 1.058 million
Per day: 2,899
Abortions per hour: 120
He saved us all with his vote? By endorsing the death of 8.5million babies? He is not a brother of mine...he's all yours.
---Trav on 5/13/15


Trav:

You said: if the right obominate woman came along he's all kneeling.

Where do you get this stuff?

You two ole boys...partners of some sort ...or another sort?

We are brothers in Christ. Or are you implying baseless insinuations of another sort?

Again and again, you make baseless (and frequently false) accusations against others. I am curious what denomination you belong to - one that preaches the Nine Commandments (but lets "do not bear false witness" a free pass)?
---StrongAxe on 5/12/15


Trav, what good does it do to quote hundreds of scriptures, but tell lies about me?

And if you've told lies about me, you've told them about others.

Henceforth, you're dead to me.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/15


BTW, Trav where did you get the idea I ever said I have lived in San Francisco.
---Cluny on 5/12/15

Your californy tone sure seems like someone who would live there. You don't seem like a southerner. Act to P.C. timid to take a stand most post. You tend to slap and run.

Now on Hilary did see where you said you didn't support her or bill. But called me a sexist, (below ha. Guess, because I wouldn't vote for her. Ha.Just as I thought, Trav.
//... a sexist who doesn't want a woman as president, either.
---Cluny on 10/22/14//

Go ahead and call me a racist too if you want. Cause I'd thank GOD and be joyful for the white poser to go back to Kenyaville.
---Trav on 5/12/15


Trav:
He has his own political views, totally independent of mine. ...
---StrongAxe on 5/11/15

Went back and he actually is against Hilly and billy but, if the right obominate woman came along he's all kneeling.
Called me "sexist" ha. I am. Women should be women and men should be men. He's just distasteful/disgraceful when he's not his birthright, e's rather "effeminate" in scripture.

//Cluny's comments:What do social mores of 5000 years ago have to do with today's practices.//

//I guess you've never heard of Joan of Arc.
And Adam's male leadership didn't do us much good, did it?
---Cluny on 10/23/14//

You two ole boys...partners of some sort ...or another sort?
---Trav on 5/12/15


BTW, Trav where did you get the idea I ever said I have lived in San Francisco.

Not only have I never said it, I have never lived there.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/15


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Trav:

You said: On hilly, must have been when you were in the Hospital when he was leaning her way.

As I recently said, I did a Google search and could find nothing he said to support her on this site.

You must have an influence on him.

He has his own political views, totally independent of mine.

Still skeptical, by his posts.

Then please, by all means, show even one where he has supported her. Good luck with that.

He or you rarely take a stand on anything.

I have stated, time and time again, that I am here mostly to discuss unbiased facts (what the Bible says, what happens, etc.) rather than my or others biased opinions.
---StrongAxe on 5/11/15


\\On hilly, must have been when you were in the Hospital when he was leaning her way. \\

Wrong again, Trav.

I NEVER leaned either Bill's or Hillary's way.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/15


\\You've never said anything remotely close to your statement above on here.\\

I never claimed I said it on here. Unlike you, I have a life that's not on these blogs.

Trav, why did you accuse me of supporting Hillary?

Why did you say I lived in San Francisco?

Do you have such a slim grasp on reality? Or do you just enjoy making things up?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/15


I've frequently said that I would not vote for Hilary were she running for the Harlot of Hell ... Trav?
---Cluny on 5/9/15

You've never said anything remotely close to your statement above on here.
Truth attacks you? Ha. Truth only exposes you to you. It is only "you" that dislikes "you".
Its only ironic justice when Rock you roll on others, rolls back on yourself.
We'll all help you out...quit biting your help.
Pro_26:27 Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.
Luk_14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?
---Trav on 5/11/15


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If you actually think you mean that much to me,...
---Cluny on 5/1/15

Oh really? I would clearly like to know where you plucked that partiular gem. I am pretty sure you never got it from any of his posts, ....
---StrongAxe on 5/8/15

Women seem to frustrate him easily. This is his post to Rita.

On hilly, must have been when you were in the Hospital when he was leaning her way.
If I misunderstood him then, I aplogize now, that you've testified he knows about her and wouldn't stand with her. You must have an influence on him. Still skeptical, by his posts.
He or you rarely take a stand on anything.
Glad he has had a change of heart. Hil is one sick jezebel politically.
---Trav on 5/11/15


\\But, hillary has your approval. Wow.
\\

Where did you get that delusion, Trav?

I've frequently said that I would not vote for Hilary were she running for the Harlot of Hell (which is an appointed position, anyway).

And all I told Rita is that only God knows who is saved and who is not, not her--or you or I, for that matter.

Do you simply go into attack mode when you see my posts, and make up slander against me, Trav?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/9/15


"who are of like mind on important issues .... Sharing beliefs usually keeps people closer together". -Rita_H on 5/7/15

Rita,

This has so often been true in my experience whether immediate family, extended or non-family.

What any individual or family considers "important issues" may vary, and there are natural as well as spiritual.
The shared beliefs some have may be Godly or not and those can "unite" individuals. At times it may be those less like minded that stretch, challenge and give one pause to consider prayerfully and scripturally, and rely on the Lord.

The believers are to be likeminded, or have the same mind, as in Phil 2:2,5 or 1 Pet 4:1. Rom 12:16, 1 Cor:10
---Chria9396 on 5/9/15


Trav:

You said to Cluny: You stated you care nothing for Rita at all, a Christian.
But, hillary has your approval. Wow.


Oh really? I would clearly like to know where you plucked that partiular gem. I am pretty sure you never got it from any of his posts, since I am fairly sure Cluny strongly disapproves of Hillary Clinton (from personal experience, since I happen to know him quite well).

I just did some research (i.e. Googled: christianet hillary cluny) and could find not even a single blog where he mentioned her. For someone who is always encouraging others to do their own research, your own research on this particular point seems fairly slipshod.
---StrongAxe on 5/8/15


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Rita H you're very welcome. Thank you I loved sharing with you plus the question made me think a bit and that's good for me. Trav I understand what you are saying but I've found through experience that my life is the only testimony some people may ever know. I am not a person who pushes my Christian walk on others but through the years I have been around lots of people who work in Clubs and by living my Christian life before them at least they knew what I stand for,Jesus and Christian living. There was only one I told he should use his talent to sing for the Lord. He said but I like to sing in clubs. He was killed in a car wreak a while later. My point is if you turn your back on all sinners how will they learn about Jesus. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/8/15


Only God knows people's hearts and their true spiritual condition.
---Cluny on 5/8/15

You stated you care nothing for Rita at all, a Christian.
But, hillary has your approval. Wow.
Rita has every right approved of GOD not to walk, talk or associate with those plowing in a different direction.
2Co_6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
Some like yourself are self confessed by GOD-less things they defend, and condemns those that will not stumble with them in their darkness.
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
---Trav on 5/8/15


Who are you to decide who is saved and who is not, Rita?

Only God knows people's hearts and their true spiritual condition.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/8/15


Than you Darlene, that is wonderful.
---Rita_H on 5/8/15


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Rita H No Rita for me it doesn't matter about another's beliefs. For me and my husband it still all boils down to love. Love is the glue that binds a family no matter what their beliefs. I talk to strangers in waiting rooms that is just who I am therefore I can talk to anyone no matter their beliefs and I still feel comfortable. Respecting one another's right to their beliefs is also part of love. Nothing drives people apart so badly as thinking what we believe is more important than what they believe. We are a very close family with open communication and there's music to my ears when the children call me and say Mom So and So needs prayer please pray for them. We have to cultivate relationships no matter the differences. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/8/15


Thanks Darlene, that is good to know.

Just in case I was not clear in my question, I am not asking if you love some more than the others but more about if it is easier to talk with some, are you more comfortable with some, is there less tension with some etc.

Most of us find it more comfortable to be in the presence of people who are of like mind on important issues and that is certainly so in my household. Sharing beliefs usually keeps people closer together.
---Rita_H on 5/7/15


It makes no difference in my relationship with our children at all whether they are saved or unsaved. I love them with no strings attached. They were raised in church and have always prayed and ask for prayer. Their salvation is between them and God not them and me. I know they have a good foundation from the Bible,plus they respect and trust God,and and I don't judge them,I just love them as our blessings from God.God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/7/15


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