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When people at my church were down and out I gave them bags of groceries and my tithe until they got on their feet. Is it wrong to give your tithe to the hungry instead of the Pastor?

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Heb 7:8 Heb 8:3 ---aservant on 6/20/15

Aservant
Read all of (Hebrews 7) and you will find it's not a teaching on Tithing. The chapter is simply illustrating that Melchizedek was the high Priest of God, by showing he was Greater than Abraham, because Abraham paid a Tenth to Melchizedek.

Also, when Abraham paid a tenth to Melchizedek, Abraham was not under the Law, so the Law of Tithing did not yet exist. Therefore the word Tithe, is used to illustrate this point.

I am confused as to how you use (Hebrews 8:3), to show we are to pay a Tithe to Jesus Christ, by showing us he is ordained to offer us Gifts?
---David on 6/21/15


aservant: What Bible version do you use? In Hebrews, there is a strong comparison between the Old and New Covenants. Jesus was "made a high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec." But 7:8 is still referring to the Canaanite King (Genesis 14:18), not an offering to the Lord in Heaven. And since 7:18 disannuls the Tithe, where do you see it reinstated? In 8:3, 9:28, the Offering was Jesus himself, not cash. Hebrews 6:20-10:31.
---Glenn on 6/21/15



The tithe is not a Christian practice . . .

---Glenn on 6/10/15


Someone needs to inform Jesus of this, because as the High Priest, He is still to this day receiving tithes as offerings to worship the Father with.

Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes, but there (Heaven) he (Jesus) receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices:


"receive" and "receiveth" are present tense words.
---aservant on 6/20/15


Tithing is not a Christian practice. However, being charitable is consistent with having a new nature *1. Please be careful as to whom you give to as there are quite a few people who abuse charity *2. Yet - remember worthy Elders, 1Timothy 5:16-18.
*1 Deuteronomy 15:7-11, Romans 12:8, 2Corinthians 8:8, 9:5-7, Galatians 2:10, 1Peter 4:9, 1John 3:17.
*2 Ephesians 4:28, 1Thessalonians 4:11-12, 2Thesalonians 3:10-15.
---Glenn on 6/20/15


The whole point of my reply to you is the evasion of what is printed by, to and for Israel is in overwhelming numbers of scriptures.--Trav

Trav
Which Bible do you read from?
Doesn't that same Bible use the word "Gentiles" in the scriptures I have given you?

Why do you trust the Translation of your Bible when you quote from it, but don't trust it, when others quote from the very same Bible?

Your translation, like mine, uses the word Gentiles in the scriptures I have given you. If not, tell me the translation you are reading.
---David on 6/20/15




Isaiah 56:6,7
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar, for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Remember Jesus quoting this verse.

Look up Strangers in a Bible search engine in the Pentateuch. They could join Israel at any time.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/19/15


...give Thee for a light to the Gentiles (goy),...
---David on 6/19/15

A light. A light is not a covenant. A light is understanding and knowledge. The divorced put away North House of Israel can also be be known as "ethnos" or "nations".
It is the whole house of Israel that is raised in Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel:...
The whole point of my reply to you is the evasion of what is printed by, to and for Israel is in overwhelming numbers of scriptures. Most show total disregard of someones elses promises, covenants and scriptures also the disregard of the original words used instead of "gentiles". Ethnos, nations, peoples.
---Trav on 6/19/15


"gentile" and salvation are never found in the same sentence in scripture.-Trav

Trav
What I was trying to find the truth about, was what Warwick said to me in an earlier post. He said you do not believe in Gentiles salvation.

And the bible does mention Gentile and salvation in many places. Here's one which even talks of both Israel's restoration and Gentile salvation.

(Isaiah 49:6) then and He said: It is a light thing that Thou should be My servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved of Israel. I will also give Thee for a light to the Gentiles, that Thou may be My salvation unto the end of the earth<.
---David on 6/19/15


I see many verses which support Gentile Salvation,
...And I am checking to see if this is true..
---David on 6/17/15

"gentile" and salvation are never found in the same sentence in scripture.
But, if one puts Israel and salvation we find it 10 times.

Why don't you check to see if that is true.
Then search the word "everlasting", "for ever","covenant", "sheep"
The word "married"
The word "divorce" and "put away".
The word "chose".
The word "elect".
Deu_10:15 Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
---Trav on 6/18/15


I am trying to get a better understanding of what Trav believes.
---David on 6/17/15

My scripture never lies. It is these scriptures that you prefer to say something different. My belief is the same as the scriptures I post.
The differences you are creating between us is based on one non original, transliterated word having several meanings. You choose a meaning that you desire, that does not unify with all Prophets, Christ and Apostles.
A ladder to nothing. There is only one truth and it is specifically stated a mulitude of times. Embracing vague over specific? What kind of logic decision is that.

Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31 = Eze_37:17 join them one to another into one stick, they shall become one in thine hand.
---Trav on 6/18/15




David some of the verses that promised the gospel to the Gentiles.--Samuelbb7 on 6/16/15

Samuel
Thank you, I wholly believe in Gentile salvation. I am trying to get a better understanding of what Trav believes.

I see many verses which support Gentile Salvation, but it appears as though Trav does not. And I am checking to see if this is true.
---David on 6/17/15


David some of the verses that promised the gospel to the Gentiles.

Isaiah 42:6
I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles,

Isaiah 60:3
And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Luke 2:32
A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

Act 13:47
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

Matthew 28:19 Psalms 117

All Hail the Power of Jesus's name.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/16/15


Trav
Do you see scripture anywhere in the Bible, which supports salvation for anyone other than Israel and Judah?
Do you see any scripture which supports salvation for the Gentiles?
---David on 6/16/15


Trav
In (Romans 11:12-21)...who is the "Wild Olive Tree" grafted in (Vs.17) and the "Natural Branches" (Vs.21)?
---David on 6/13/15

Study up the Olive tree.
The wild olive tree is one that is "scattered" by the seed. It's origin is still the Olive tree. Not an Apple, Pear or Walnut tree.
Olive trees in scripture are a signet of Israel and their GOD.
The Olive seed is the same as the tree being of the tree, family.
Again though Paul is causing your questions.
Now it is much easier to see starting with the Prophets who came before (r.c's) Paul and who Paul must align with to be true to Christ...even in his deepest allegory.
Isa 51:1.
---Trav on 6/15/15


Trav
In (Romans 11:12-21) Paul speaks to the Gentiles and refers to them a "Wild Olive Tree".
If he is not speaking to the Gentiles, who is the "Wild Olive Tree" grafted in (Vs.17) and the "Natural Branches" (Vs.21)?
---David on 6/13/15


Trav
... who is Paul talking about when he says, "those not of the circumcision"?
---David on 6/11/15

Here again Paul...(like I've done myself).
Christ is more specific, prophets are more specific then Apostles honoring, Christ and prophets, then the Roman Paul.
Chap 4 theme Paul does not vary from, 8 mentions of Abraham "our" father.
North House divorced/put away would be counted among the uncircumcised.
Jer_9:26 ...these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.
Psa_105:6 O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.
Isa_41:8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
---Trav on 6/11/15


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Trav
Back in the day when Paul was alive, all the male children of Abraham were circumcised, the Gentile males were not.
If the Uncircumcised in the verse below are not Gentiles, who is Paul talking about when he says, "those not of the circumcision"?

(Romans 4:12) and the father of circumcision to those who are not of the Circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had, being yet uncircumcised.
---David on 6/11/15


/Is it wrong to give your tithe to the hungry instead of the Pastor?\-blog
/The tithe is his inheritance.\-aservant on 6/10/15
The Pastor is, more than likely. not a Levite. Therefore, the passages presented have little to do with this question in that regard.
The tithe given to the Levites were crops and cattle, which happens to be like giving groceries today, except for the fact that it is God that gives the increase in the growth and reproduction of crops and cattle.
The blog question implies tithing to be about money, and that is far from the truth.
Remember give unto Caesar?
People are handing out money with a bank's (i.e. Caesar) name on it and calling it "giving unto God what is God's (i.e God's increase).
---micha9344 on 6/10/15


Trav
...who is Paul referring to in (Romans 2:14-16)?
for when "ethnos", ...who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness,...
---David on 6/10/15

Look by the marks given. Note that it says "House of Israel", note it does not say "and" Judah in this verse below. Judah still doesn't see/accept after 2015 years.

Heb_8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:...

The North House of Ten divorced...put away, did not share in the "commonwealth" of a United Israel composed of Ten.
---Trav on 6/10/15


Yes.
Judah, 1/12th of 12 composing Israel. Only Israel was given the Law and Covenants.-Trav on 6/2/15


Trav
If all of Abrahams children were under the Law, and as you believe, the word Gentile actually refers to Jews when Paul uses it, who is Paul referring to in (Romans 2:14-16)?
for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
---David on 6/10/15


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. . . I gave them bags of groceries and my tithe until they got on their feet. Is it wrong to give your tithe to the hungry instead of the Pastor?

Num 18:21 . . . I have given the children of Levi all the tenth . . .
Num 18:23 . . . it shall be a statute for ever . . .
Num 18:24 But the tithes . . . I have given to the Levites to inherit:
Num 18:26 . . . When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance . . .


The tithe is his inheritance. Do you want someone using your inheritance? In love, you have robbed Him - Mal 3:8, though you intended good. See Matt 7:21-23 to see the judgment of others with good intentions.
---aservant on 6/10/15


Trav
Isn't it true that Israel and Judah were both given the Law of Moses, and both were under that Law?
---David on 6/2/15

Yes.
Judah, 1/12th of 12 composing Israel. Only Israel was given the Law and Covenants.
If GOD divorces his wife by the law of the land...she was still a first wife. She, being "afar" loses all "commonwealth" rights with the "House" family. If your wife is Twelve collectively and he divorces Ten, there is a "Wall of Partition" between them.
If GOD promises a reuniting of this division how can he do it? The law states the Husband must die to free the wife.
Christ died.
Rom_7:2... bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth, but...
---Trav on 6/2/15


Trav
Isn't it true that Israel and Judah were both given the Law of Moses, and both were under that Law?
---David on 6/2/15


Trav...(Romans 1:16) Why would Paul differentiate...?
---David on 6/1/15

Note that Paul...instigates your question. Judah was jealous of the North House. Use the two house scriptures with Paul.
1. Paul uses Two ethnos.
2. New Covenant uses two, related ethnos.
3. Two Sticks are related ethnos.
Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, they shall be one in mine hand.
Eze 37:20 the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

These two are before your eyes, David.
Eze 37.
---Trav on 6/1/15


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Do I have shelf thoughts? Yes, these thoughts I put on a shelf until proof is overwhelming.--Trav on 5/31/15

(Romans 1:16) For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one who believeth, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Trav
Above in (Romans 1:16) Paul mentions both Jew and Greek. Why would Paul differentiate between Jew and Greek, if only Israel and the tribe of Judah would be saved?
---David on 6/1/15


Trav
Intriguing,.... with the Prophets support. I will have to do more study on this.

Picking your brain now.

But in (Revelation 7:9) ... Who do you believe these folks are?
---David on 5/30/15

Speculate? No.
I don't find enough to comment on them. I haven't studied or connected them. Don't go to Revelations often.
There is a warning/danger in changing anything in scripture.
Do I have shelf thoughts? Yes, these thoughts I put on a shelf until proof is overwhelming.
I was 40 before it was pointed out to me all the witnesses specifically to Israel. 18 years later I find still further confirmations continually.
What is also is a confirmation is lack of mention in Churches.
---Trav on 5/31/15


Jer_3:18...house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, they shall come together ...--Trav

Trav
Intriguing,.... with the Prophets support. I now have a better understand of what you believe. I will have to do more study on this.

Picking your brain now.
In (Revelation 7) we know the 144,000 who are sealed are 12,000 from each tribe of Israel. The tribe of Judah is among the sealed, so we can see the prophecies you mention come to pass.

But in (Revelation 7:9) it mentions people who are saved, not of the twelve tribes. Who do you believe these folks are?
---David on 5/30/15


Trav...I may be able to gain some insight into this separation.
---David on 5/29/15

I may point but, scripture is the lens and filter. Scriptures below are not exhaustive but, show the house division.
Where are the "lost Sheep"? No one knows ...and no one looks. Christ does.
Jer_3:18...house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, they shall come together ...
Jer_5:11 house of Israel and the house of Judah...
Jer_11:17 ... house of Israel and of the house of Judah,...
Jer_13:11...whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah,
Jer_31:31...new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer_33:14...I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
---Trav on 5/29/15


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Jewish? Judean is proper. I don't know if I am or not. Why would it matter in discussing Israel's truth in scripture? --Trav on 5/28/15


Trav
Because of the 144,000, the Twelve Tribes of Israel who will be saved in Revelation. I can see a separation between the Judean and the Gentile believer.

You seem to walk along these lines, so I believe, through you, I may be able to gain some insight into this separation.
---David on 5/29/15


My personal feeling is that the tithe is the Lord's. If we don't feel that tithing is for us and prefer to give whatever we choose, whenever we choose that is up to us. It is between you and God anyhow and non-one else's business but if you felt you should tithe I feel it is not wise to use it for something else now and then. If the church decided to use your tithe to help the poor that is another matter.
---andreea on 5/29/15


Trav
...hate is that which makes them our enemy?----David

Antichristian hate is not righteous. This is the difference. Hating us for our GOD and blessings by this GOD. Our understanding this, is our peace.
Defense is not a sin. Goliath's death was not a sin.

Luk_22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, likewise his scrip: he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Eph_6:17 ...sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Heb_4:12 For the word of God is quick, powerful, sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, of the joints and marrow, is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
---Trav on 5/29/15


Trav
I agree, it's hard to ignore, Paul's letters have replaced Christ's Gospels ...
---David on 5/28/15

Jewish? Judean is proper. I don't know if I am or not. Why would it matter in discussing Israels truth in scripture? Judah is only 1/12th, Israel the South House.
You are giving me a test because no one has ever represented the scriptures I do.
These scriptures trouble all current denom doctrines. They draw only those Bereans that will tolerate nothing but truth. Opposition and avoidance of key scripture speaks, doesn't it.
Truth cannot tolerate untruth in reality.
My faith is total in YAHWEH. YAHSHUSA his son, the only master, teacher confirms and reveals all.
Especially doctrines of men.
---Trav on 5/28/15


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When Paul replaces Christ... a flag goes up.
Paul is useful after Christ, Prophets, Apostles are understood. Paul is the tail not the head. Is he your head? No.---Trav on 5/27/15


Trav
I agree, it's hard to ignore, Paul's letters have replaced Christ's Gospels in many churches today.

I believe many of them would like to teach more in the gospels, but if they did, their teachings of Paul would show they are opposed to the Lords teachings.

How would you best describe your faith in God? Are you Jewish? A follower of Christ?
Don't mean to offend, just trying to understand your beliefs better.
---David on 5/28/15


Trav
Then do you disavow Paul's epistles?
---David on 5/27/15

No. I do not disavow Paul. I disavow the misinterpreted doctrines built on the unfortunate latin word "gentile", originating from the Latin Vulgate translation. All Paul's writings are to Israelites. He uses "ethnos" for his "outcast" North House kinsmen of Israel because that is what they were called in the Old Covenant scriptures.
Latin mistranslation and further transliteration hides these facts. Context should be used with Paul.
Gentile was not original.
When Paul replaces Christ... a flag goes up.
Paul is useful after Christ, Prophets, Apostles are understood. Paul is the tail not the head. Is he your head? No.
---Trav on 5/27/15


Scripture does not say Trav

Travis
Then do you disavow Paul's epistles?
---David on 5/27/15


Trav
Do you believe, the ("ethnos"/"nations) believers who follow Christ, will not be saved?
---David on 5/27/15

Scripture does not say. Is it wise to speculate on what scripture does not give witnesses for?
Ask rather, who had the law, promises, all Covenants and whose "fathers" are referenced?
Who are the Nations outside the City that Israel is over?
Num_23:9...lo, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations.
GOD married Israel, putting the North House away for "fornication".
Christ died freeing the wife and Covenanted anew.
Now would you have GOD fornicate and the New Covenanted wife as well again? This is Balaam's popular doctrine.
---Trav on 5/27/15


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Trav
Do you believe, the Gentile believers who follow Christ, will not be saved?
---David on 5/27/15


Trav All Gentiles are loved by GOD and invited into the House of Israel.

Isaiah 56:7
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar, for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Psalms 72:17
His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/26/15


...a hard habit to give up, but one must learn the difference between the voice of God, and the voice of men.
---David on 5/23/15

Truth. The hardest truth for denom doctrines to learn is that Israel is a house divided. 10 and 2. Judah/jews do not equal all Israel, ever.
Jer_3:18...house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, they shall come together ...
Jer_5:11 the house of Israel and the house of Judah...
Jer_11:17 ...of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah,...
Jer_13:11...the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah,
Jer_31:31...new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer_33:14...I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
---Trav on 5/26/15


David, your words sounds like St. Augustine.--Nicole_Lacey

Nicole
Thank you for sharing that with me. Very poetic. It sounds as though, we both blessedly, came to the same conclusion. God will lead us to the Truth, but only if we follow.

Many folks, understandably, begin their journey following the doctrines of men. For this reason, their journey ends almost as quickly as it begins. I say understandably, because folks must trust in men as early as their birth.

It's a hard habit to give up, but one must learn the difference between the voice of God, and the voice of men.
Not because men are always wrong, but because God is always right.
---David on 5/23/15


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David, your words sounds like St. Augustine.

Belatedly I loved thee, O Beauty so ancient and so new, belatedly I loved thee. For see, thou wast within and I was without, and I sought thee out there. Unlovely, I rushed heedlessly among the lovely things thou hast made. Thou wast with me, but I was not with thee. These things kept me far from thee, even though they were not at all unless they were in thee. Thou didst call and cry aloud, and didst force open my deafness. Thou didst gleam and shine, and didst chase away my blindness. Thou didst breathe fragrant odors and I drew in my breath, and now I pant for thee. I tasted, and now I hunger and thirst. Thou didst touch me, and I burned for thy peace.

Augustine of Hippo, Confessions
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/22/15


Nicole
Actually the parable is about someone like me. Someone who uses the wealth of this world to feed their happiness, only to discover over time, though you can buy anything you want, nothing you buy can feed your happiness. The world is the only inheritance, those who will perish, will ever have.

This event, many experience as a Mid-Life crisis, causes folks to search for happiness, as a thirsty man in a desert searches for water.

It was this event which caused me to look for my joy in the Lord, and my hunger for joy has been satisfied ever since. I discovered the joy of being in a relationship with God, gives me more joy than anything I could ever buy on Earth. (Matthew 6:19-21)
---David on 5/22/15


Saving life is always a good work no matter what the intentions of the one doing the saving are.
---learner2 on 5/19/15


There is a scripture in the Old Testament which says you can use tithes to help a person in need. Don't ask me where I found it because I don't remember where it is. I looked it up for a friend who wanted to help a person who was in dire need but didn't want to do wrong. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/19/15


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I see 3 viewpoints in learners statement.
1: the drowning--he was saved regardless.
2: the rescuer--he saved another, only to reveal his true nature.
3: the bystander--he yearns for someone else to do the work, no matter the intentions.
All-in-all, the intentions of the rescuer show whether that work was truly good or evil.
Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me, [but] God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as [it is] this day, to save much people alive.
Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags...
Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil...
Self-righteousness is never good.
---micha9344 on 5/19/15


"It is better to do good deeds for the wrong reason then not to do them at all."
---learner2 on 5/15/15

Sounds cute, but not biblical.---James_L on 5/17/15

Yes, it is in the Bible. Luke 15 The Parable of the Prodigal son.

Remember he only decided to tell his Father sorry for sinning because he was HUNGRY.

V17 'How many of my father's hired servants have bread enough and to spare, but I perish here with hunger!

The point is that he returned home for any reason and the Father was happy to see him.
He didn't even let the boy finish his plan out excuse.

God wants us with Him in Heaven any which way possible.
By FEAR of Hell or Love for Him. He will accept either imperfect try.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/19/15


James, it doesn't matter to me whether its biblical or not. If somebody is drowning, I want somebody to jump in the water and save that person whether his motive is to be helpful or just to be praised for being helpful.
---learner2 on 5/18/15


"It is better to do good deeds for the wrong reason then not to do them at all."
---learner2 on 5/15/15

Sounds cute, but not biblical.

Like when Jesus told of the Pharisee who stood and prayed to himself....
"I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all i get" (Lk 18:12)

He was doing good things, clearly with the wrong motives.

And Jesus wasn't kind about it.
---James_L on 5/17/15


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//It is better to do good deeds for the wrong reason then not to do them at all.//

Nice statement...
---Rod4Him on 5/16/15


Samuel
Sorry my friend, but I didn't have time to answer you yesterday.

You are missing the point. The entire chapter of (Numbers 18) tells us why God set up the Tithe. It was established it as an inheritance for the Levite tribe, and it was given to them for their service in Gods temple.

The Tenth was paid from the increase of the 11 tribes inheritance's, an increase which came from God. Which is why Jesus said,
"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesars, and unto God the things that are Gods.

And this is why the Tithe was not paid in money, money comes from men!!
---David on 5/16/15


It is better to do good deeds for the wrong reason then not to do them at all.
---learner2 on 5/15/15


IF and when you decide to help the poor OR ANYONE at all, it should be because you WANT to and will be CHEERFUL about it ("for the Lord loves a CHEERFUL giver")....THIS is YOUR heavenly spirit...you CHOSE to be a giving person/soul.

If you give assistance/help GRUDGINGLY (because you don't have enough free time or you simply are not in the mood), then you will be giving GRUDGINGLY (HYPOCRISY).

If the reason you "give" is simply because the book rules dictate that you should "give", that is not THE SPIRIT of devotion.
---faithforfaith on 5/15/15


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Correct David in an agricultural society it was produce.

But as Rita said so well we do not grow crops. We earn money. Thank you Rita for your excellent points.

In my Church tithe is used to pay for Ministers and Missionaries.

Our offerings are used for Church expense.

On Christ the Solid Rock I stand.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/14/15


David, loved this post. Sometimes it is the most obvious habitual things we do that make the best testament. -Trav

Trav and James
Those are the points I like to point out, to folks who blindly follow these teachers.
Cause them to question, to see if they are in the faith. If I can point out the obvious false teachings, those they can see, maybe they will question some of the others.
---David on 5/14/15


David, most people today know that the tithe would NOT have meant money in those days. They were requested to give of their grain, their animals etc. Modern families have neither so we give of those things we DO have. With the money we give God's people can purchase the actual items required and, if it one need is food for the poor, that is how some church officials will use some of the money.

Times have changed. In Old Testament times the people did not have cars, central heating and double glazing. Today most of us don't keep sheep, cattle or grown corn.

I'm certain that God expects us to use common sense and use the modern equivalent.
---Rita_H on 5/14/15


Now isn't it just a bit strange, those same people who put their sheep under the Law of Tithing, also teach them they aren't under the Law? No wonder they get lost!!
---David on 5/12/15

David, loved this post. Sometimes it is the most obvious habitual things we do that make the best testament. <
In all the specific things that Christ says and the Prophets it isn't even logical to think he/they wouldn't be specific about the things doctrines speculate on.
Climbing in another way. Trying to shove Elephants/Giraffes go through "sheep" gates.
Joh_10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
---Trav on 5/13/15


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David your problem is that I do believe and my church teaches we are to obey the moral laws of the Old Testament.---Samuelbb7

Samuel
What do you bring to church for your Tithe? Is it food, as prescribed in the Law of tithing or is it money?

If you think the Tithe was ever paid in money, could you show me where anyone paid their tithe in money? And (Nehemiah 10:37) doesn't count!! LOL

....and that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough,
---David on 5/13/15


David...
Right on, man. People are absolute being confused. Law or no Law?

They're taught that they're not under the Law, then they are told to come to "the House of God", go into an inner sanctuary, pray in front of an altar, pay tithes, obey 9 commandments...

Don't get tattoos, observe a Sunday Sabbath-like rest

Good grief, someone is accursed for the oil and water gospel they're preaching
---James_L on 5/12/15


"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this, says the LORD Almighty, and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it."

The modern storehouse is the church. We give there for our gifts to be distributed as seen fit by overseers.

If others choose to see this differently that's O.K. with me. I'm happy in the knowledge that what I have given is used wisely by those who know best.
---Rita_H on 5/12/15


it is to be first given to the church and the church does the distributing (from their 'storehouse').
---Rita_H on 5/12/15

I see no such direction in Scripture.

Even Malachi 3 which everyone quotes supporting tithing does not direct us let the church distribute. It talks about bringing all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be food in God's house. But why was there no food? Because the people had robbed God. The direction I see in this passage is to give, not giving only to the storehouse.

The priority is on giving the tithe to the church but we are free to give to people who are needy.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/12/15


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I have never been told by any person of authority in any church that I MUST tithe. I do what I do because of what I read personally in scripture and tell no-one what I give. When I discovered the church I was just about to move to had numbered envelopes for offerings I refused to have one so I was given a blank one. I then found out I was the only one with a blank one so was just as identifiable. I now give cash as do a few others and I slip it inbetween the many envelopes so the collector cannot see it.

It is not giving in secret when the treasurer knows which number belongs to which member. Whether others tithe or give what they choose is no-ones business except theirs either.
---Rita_H on 5/12/15


David your problem is that I do believe and my church teaches we are to obey the moral laws of the Old Testament. So in my church calling a law is what we do.

True other churches do make that mistake.

Rock of ages.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/12/15


Many do argue that it is not for the New Testament. -Samuelbb7

Samuel
The point being, if you want to give 10% to the church it's an offering, not the Tithe God set up under the Law of Moses.

Now the question becomes, why does the church call it a Tithe, and not an offering?
It's because the Tithe is the law, a sum of money God requires from his children.

Now isn't it just a bit strange, those same people who put their sheep under the Law of Tithing, also teach them they aren't under the Law? No wonder they get lost!!
---David on 5/12/15


Mark Eaton, 'Deut. 14:29 tells us that the tithe is to be used for the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widows who are in your household.'

I agree but it is not to be used that way by the person who is giving it - it is to be first given to the church and the church does the distributing (from their 'storehouse').

If every church member gave their tithe to whom they, personally, thought was needy, some would have plenty and some would be left without and the church could end up with nothing to pay the pastor or repair the roof of the church.

There is a reason for there being certain positions held in the church, we must leave the officers to fulfil their role and not take it out of their hands.
---Rita_H on 5/12/15


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Thanks Trav. It's good you remember your dad with fondness and that your son takes after him.

We can never out give God. He gives us more than we realise and we, often, just take it for granted.
---Rita_H on 5/11/15


I believe you can give the tithe to the needy.

Deut. 14:29 tell us that the tithe is to be used for the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widows who are in your household.

The Levite because they had no inheritance in the land. The others I would think because of their need and no way to support themselves.

I also feel strongly that we need to apply this verse to our lives, even the giving of the tithe:

1 John 3:17 "But whoever has this worlds goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him"

You should take the last portion of Deut. 14:29 as a reason for giving your tithe to the needy.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/11/15


The Lord loves a cheerful giver.
---RitaH on 5/11/15

The scriptural phrase you quoted is on my Dad's headstone. He was best giver and my son is like him.

2Co_9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give, not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
---Trav on 5/11/15


The biblical tithe has nothing to do with money.
It has to do with the growth of herds and crops.
And, yes, the tithe not only went to those who had no inheritance (doesn't sound like pastors), but also to the poor, widows, and orphans.
On the other hand, freewill offering, as prescribed in the OT, does best fit NT giving.
It would be better considered to have the needs of others met before the needs of the church.
Matt 25:31-46, Jam 1:27,Luk 10:29-37
---micha9344 on 5/11/15


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Many people seem to not know that the word tithe means a tenth - they just use the word interchangeably with 'offering'. Others feel that it is not relevant these days BUT whatever it is we decide to give we must give it lovingly and joyfully to be used as the church sees fit. Usually the pastor is paid out of it and the remainder kept for church upkeep, replacement of hymn books and, sometimes, the expenses of a visiting preacher etc. but the most important thing is to not give it grudgingly or whilst wondering if you are giving more or less than other people give.

The Lord loves a cheerful giver.
---RitaH on 5/11/15


...Levites, (Numbers 18:20-26)... Tithe doesn't exist in the New Covenant. If it did, it would still belong to the Levite tribe.
---David on 5/11/15

Best post.
The pastors today have no resemblance to Levites. Blind leading the Blind.
So we feed the A.C., the heater, the siding, carpet, pews, stained glass, etc, etc. And store up huge amounts for building emergency's. Really...emergency's...not even enough faith in their GOD to deliver a building repair.
Mat_23:23 Woe unto you, ... pay tithe of ... and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: ...
Luk_11:42 But woe unto you, ... pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
---Trav on 5/11/15


David

The tithe is used by church in two ways today. Most use the Tithe to pay the Pastor and support the church. Most people do not care to give a tithe.

Other churches use the tithe to pay ministers and missionaries.

The modern equivalent of the levites are pastors and Missionaries.

Many do argue that it is not for the New Testament. But since all the money we earn comes from GOD. Why should giving back 10% be burdensome. We owe GOD everything.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/11/15


Another thought I have just had on this (prompted after seeing Cluny's answer) is that you should never think of your tithe going to the pastor. Unless he receives no salary, but is 'kept' by the church members, then all tithes should go into church funds (from which he 'might' get a salary). It is those who have been appointed to run the finances of the church who should decide how the money is used.

I really hope that you have misunderstood how your church functions and that the tithes do NOT go to the pastor personally. Maybe you should start asking how, exactly, your church is run.
---Rita_H on 5/11/15


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Donna
To be honest, I don't know how the Tithe ever came to be in the New Covenant.

If you read about the origin of the tithe, you will discover it's the inheritance of the Levites, given because they worked as Gods priests under the Old Covenant (Numbers 18:20-26).

Since they are no longer working in that capacity, the Tithe doesn't exist in the New Covenant. If it did, it would still belong to the Levite tribe.

Does this mean we are not to give to those in need? Absolutely not, Give to those to whom God tells you to give.
---David on 5/11/15


Tithes should go to the church, not the pastor.

However, we are supposed to feed the hungry, especially those the Lord puts directly in front of us.

Don't worry about it.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/15


1 Corinthians 13:3 - And though I be tow all my goods to feed the poor: and thought I give my body to be burn, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing,

( I think Charity in this case might mean bring the gospel, but not 100% about sure about that, housing food clothes are temporary, Word for god is forever )
---RichardC on 5/10/15


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