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Saved Person Commits Suicide

Will God send a saved person to hell if they lost their will to live and want to kill themselves just to get off of this miserable, lonely earth?

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Thank you Kathr, and aservent for your recent comments. My stand for us that our goal is to live sinless has often been attacked. Nice to have some backup.

The doctrine of predestination makes GOD evil.

GOD does not make us stop sinning. He gives us the power to not sin. Then we are by his grace and the poser of the Holy Spirit to overcome. But we are still children and no matter how old in this world we are still very young in the sight of GOD. So we need to feed our Spirit with the word of GOD. With doing loving and caring for others. We are to starve our old nature by avoiding temptation.

We are to die daily to self and live for Jesus.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/28/15


Learner2, what you are suggesting here is what is called double predestination, of which scripture never teaches. Nor is predestination God choosing certain people to go to heaven. WHAT God predestined is that those who come to God through Jesus Christ, God has planned for them to be conformed to His image through the CROSS, SO THAT He can present to Himself a Church without spot or wrinkle. It all happens and begins ONLY when we are baptized INTO Christ, which BEGINS when we receive Jesus Christ. Not before. And because of this promise we can know that once saved ALWAYS saved, because our SANCTIFICATION is a work of God. Please don't confuse sanctification with JUSTIFICATION, AS Calvinists do.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/15


It's a wonderful God who predestines people to hell. Gives me a warm feeling all over.
---learner2 on 6/27/15


- b -

Rom_6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom_6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Made free from the consequences of sin, not free from doing sin. Flesh is not reborn. Rom 7:14-24

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
2Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
---aservant on 6/27/15


David, Paul's thorn was not some sin God left him with. If you see the thorn as some sin God leaves you with, then Romans 6-8 is all a lie. The reason WE can't/ won't overcome a sin is because WE have failed to submit to the cross. WE DIED TO SIN. And it is our responsibility to yield our New man to God, as those alive from the dead.

Paul says, in spite of that thorn God's GRACE is sufficient for him, for HIS power is made perfect in our WEAKNESS. Maybe Paul had a speech impediment. ...which is not a sin. I believe Paul refers in other scripture about some weakness in speaking.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/15




2 Corinthians 11:5-7

5 For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.

6 But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge, but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.

7 Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?

There is no evidence God ever removed this THORN fro Paul. No scripture ever says Paul's THORN was a sin, or put there because of sin. For God to inflict one of His own with sin goes totally against His nature and scripture.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/15


It might be that people who commit suicide were predestined to commit suicide because they are among the non elect that God has destined for Hell.
---learner2 on 6/27/15


Nothing is impossible to God. I like your thinking here.

God made (1 Chronicles 10:13-14) King Saul commit suicide (1Sam 31:14). It seems that only one of the Bible's 7 suicides will go to Heaven - Samson, because He asked the Lord to strengthen him, that he could avenge himself.
---aservant on 6/27/15


It might be that people who commit suicide were predestined to commit suicide because they are among the non elect that God has destined for Hell.
---learner2 on 6/27/15


My answer below is more or less judgmental. Most of all, we need to have compassion on someone who is at risk of committing suicide. Possibly, it can help to share your personal things with the person so the person can take an interest in you and have a life to live, partly by sharing with you.

Paul says he would be fine with dying and going to be with Jesus >

"Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you." (Philippians 1:24)

Even though Paul suffered so much, in order to be here for us, he considered all that worthwhile in order to stay here and love us. And Jesus went through hard things so now He can feel for us and help us > Hebrews 4:15.
---Bill on 6/26/15


John
Lets deal with the facts, with the Truth.

God has left a sin in your life, a sin you have fought since the day you came to the Lord, and received his Holy Spirit. It's a sin you battle with many times during the week. Sometimes you overcome, but sometimes you fall to it's temptation.

Have you ever wondered, why God has left you with that sin, why God has not removed it? It's there because you believe in men, and deny the Truth. It's there because you don't believe what Jesus said in (John 8:34). And if you don't believe what Jesus taught, how can you say you believe in him?

When you learn to accept his truth, then God will remove the thorn.
---David on 6/27/15




I like to read different translations. But I don't trust all of the New Translations. NASB is one I trust.

Again the problem is reconciling I John 1,2, & 3.
We are sinners.
When we sin we are to repent.
These points do not fit with the understanding we never sin.

John9346 Thank you for your definitions of sin. It should help us to see that breaking the law or not being like Christ is still something we do. Babies do a lot wrong. But Adults are supposed to do better. We are aiming to be adults in Jesus.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/27/15


NASB 1John 3:9
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God-Samuelbb7 on 6/26/15


Samuel
Thank you for that enlightenment. John said he reads the King James and I could not find the words "Practice" or "Habitual" anywhere in that version.

John
Why do read the King James, when it's the NASB which says what you want it to say?

Now that I understand, your answer is "No", I do not believe the passage is referring to practicing sin.
Why?
Because Jesus did not sin, just as the King James says about those who are born of God.
---David on 6/26/15


- a -

1John 1:8 . . . , 1John 3:9 . . . So how do you explain the (seemingy opposing) two verses? 1:8 speaks to flesh. 3:9 speaks to Spirit.

---Samuelbb7 on 6/26/15

God knows whether one's own heart is devising sin or if devils are influencng you, and you are losing the battle to their will (most often because you don't know they are trying to puppeteer you into sinning).

They don't have their own flesh, so they always seek to use your flesh. You can stop them by using the name of Jesus. And you must stop them or they will use you to do their evil. You can always ask Jesus for help in stopping them from using your flesh.
---aservant on 6/26/15


Only God can take a life.
---mike on 6/26/15


Donna, Isaiah 55:11 guarantees that God's word "shall accomplish" all that He pleases. I understand this means God's word will have us become obedient so we do not commit suicide. So, I don't "buy" that a real Christian has done this. Wishing does not make a person a Christian. Why be so busy thinking up such possibilities when we can feed on God's word which is able to keep these things from happening????

John, I understand that where it says a person born of God cannot sin, this means God keeps a saved person from leaving Him. But - - since we are not perfect . . . at times, we do wrong things . . . like John, even during Revelation, fell down to worship an angel, though he was so close to God > Revelation 19:9-10.
---Bill on 6/26/15


David,

Again sir, for the third time, yes or no is the definition used in 1 John 3:1-9 are they or are they not practices?

Again this is my third time asking you this question.

here is the definition again:

The word is Hamartano it means

to be without a share in
to miss the mark
to err, be mistaken
to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong
to wander from the law of God, violate God's law, sin

Now when you look in 1 John chapter 3, you must ask yourself is the meaning in the definition above practices? Remember habitual refers to practices?

For example, is being in a share with something a practice?

---
---john9346 on 6/25/15


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Thanks for the courteous dialogue. We can all take a lesson from you there.
I don't see you as blind...or myself.--Trav on 6/24/15


Trav
You're welcome my brother, and again, thank you for the compliment.
"Recon yourself as blind and it will open your ears, recon yourself as deaf and it will open your eyes."
---David on 6/26/15


John's statment in first John must be taken in relation to the passage and the book. To take one verse out of context is bad hermeneutics.

In 1John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Then in chapter 2 He writes that if we sin we have an advocate with the Father.

NASB 1John 3:9
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

So how do you explain the two verses that speak of us sinning and having sin and needing forgiveness?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/26/15


Do you believe Jesus sinned, only he didn't make a practice of it?
---David on 6/25/15


Heb 4:15 Jesus, our high priest, is able to understand our weaknesses. When Jesus lived on earth, he was tempted in every way. He was tempted in the same ways we are tempted, but he never sinned.
---aservant on 6/25/15


I am still waiting for an answer to my question yes or no based on the definition are those practices or not? -john9346

John
What definition?
The example Jesus set as a Son of God, or the example men have set as a Son of God?

(1 John 3:9)KJV says, those born of God DO NOT SIN.
Jesus is our example, an example, we know was born of God.
Do you believe Jesus sinned, only he didn't make a practice of it?
---David on 6/25/15


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Trav
...read these passages many times, but have never really seen them,...
Thanks for the insight.
Perhaps you suffer the same blindness in (Acts 15) for the same reason.
If the Gentiles were of Jewish descent, ...why was there a dispute over these Gentiles being circumcised and keeping the Laws...
---David on 6/24/15

Thanks for the courteous dialogue. We can all take a lesson from you there.
I don't see you as blind...or myself. We were never pointed to these truths. Truth is still truth whether or not we see its application at the time.
Jewish descent? Note that its the 10/12ths descent. Judah "legally" objects because of the "divorced" status of the 10/12ths.
---Trav on 6/24/15


David,

1. The kjv was translated from the "Textus Receptus" a Greek Manuscripts.

2. All Bible Translations are valid because the Greek Manuscripts support each one.

3. I am still waiting for an answer to my question yes or no based on the definition are those practices or not?
---john9346 on 6/23/15


You never say or surmise where the 11/12ths remaining are. Ephraim or Manasseh. You've never looked, few do.
Look now. Heb 8:8/ Heb 8:10.---Trav on 6/22/15


Trav
You are correct I have read these passages many times, but have never really seen them, since they did not pertain to me. Thanks for the insight.
Perhaps you suffer the same blindness in (Acts 15) for the same reason.

If the Gentiles were of Jewish descent, as you believe, why was there a dispute over these Gentiles being circumcised and keeping the Laws of Moses in (Acts 15)?

If the Gentiles in (Acts 15) had been Jewish, wouldn't they have already been circumcised and under the Law?
---David on 6/24/15


...with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:...:
Hebrews 8:10
---learner2 on 6/22/15

Recognize the mind and hearts fruit...recognize the people.

Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, I will give you an heart of flesh.
Luk_6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit.
---Trav on 6/23/15


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"Can you speak, read and write the Greek language as the translators of the Bible could?"
I find this question irrelevant to the discussion.
--john9346 on 6/22/15


John
The KJV you read, is not written in Greek, it's Greek, already translated into English.
Since you feel the need to re-translate what they have already translated, it's obvious you do not trust what they translated. And I'm curious to know why.

Example:
(1 John 3:9)KJV says "Those who are born of God, do not sin." And you say the passage infers Habitual sin.
If someone tells you, "I do not kill", do you assume they are a killer, only they are not a habitual killer?
---David on 6/23/15


Why don't we all follow suite? A Bible student asked this very question. Our teacher answered of a christian man he knew who killed himself. The teacher answered that he thinks he will still go to heaven. Only the Bible does not give such assurance. No righteous person in the Bible ever kills himself. Saul fell on his sword. Judas hung himself. Jesus did not jump from the temple nor should we. He who destroys the body, God will also destroy. Job thought of arousing Leviathan, but didn't. Life is short enough. Why rush from one hell to another.
---aaron on 6/22/15


Hi David

1. "Can you speak, read and write the Greek language as the translators of the Bible could?"
I find this question irrelevant to the discussion.

2. If not, I'm curious to know why you believe you are a better translator than they were.
Not sure I understand how reading and understanding what somebody Originally Stated has anything to do with superiority?

3. "I use King James. Your word has vague witnesses. It is not original."
What language did the kjv translators translate from?

4. Seems you are unable to answer my origianal question which was are those practices in 1 john 3?

thanks,
John



---john9346 on 6/22/15


For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Hebrews 8:8-10
---learner2 on 6/22/15


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Trav
Old Testament is foundational...
...why do you believe the New Testament is called "New"?
---David on 6/22/15

Testament of a New Covenant replacing the Old Covenant.
Same GOD, same Covenanted People.
Psa_105:10 confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
Consider the word "everlasting" above. How can it be everlasting? Through the New...all that changed was the placement in the hearts and minds of Israel. Same people, same Covenant different location. Consider also that Judah is 1/12th of Israel.
You never say or surmise where the 11/12ths remaining are. Ephraim or Manasseh. You've never looked, few do.
Look now. Heb 8:8/ Heb 8:10.
---Trav on 6/22/15


John
I'm curious to know why you believe you are a better translator than they were.
---David on 6/22/15

I'm not answering for John but, you included his question in posting to me, perhaps for the same nudge.

When there are multiple meanings derived from the original word...I question the translators every time. Do they show bias to doctrines, politics, pressures, education, knowledge of their time? Does their translation context mesh with what is known. Does the contex match or mesh with all the Prophets, Christ and apostles.
When you have known specific translations such as "Israel". With specific prophecies about a specific "people" it is easier to see the overall picture emerging or veering.
---Trav on 6/22/15


The word is Hamartano it means....-John_9346 on 6/21/15

John
Can you speak, read and write the Greek language as the translators of the Bible could? If not, I'm curious to know why you believe you are a better translator than they were.

I use King James. Your word has vague witnesses. It is not original --Trav on 6/21/15

Trav
I agree the Old Testament is foundational to the New Testament, but don't you believe Jesus Christ brought forth a New Foundation on which we should build?
If not, why do you believe the New Testament is called "New"?
---David on 6/22/15


Trav
Why do you trust the Translation of your Bible when you quote from...
---David on 6/20/15

I use King James. You word has vague witness. It is not original. That is it's witness.
Witnesses are what we confirm is "truth".
You must ask yourself why you foundation your beliefs on a word that is not original.
Again I will point to the first witnesses in scripture. The Prophets...chosen by GOD.
Christ who verified these Prophets. Apostles. Then Paul.
Isa_9:8 The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.
Isa_45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation:...
---Trav on 6/21/15


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David,

The word is Hamartano it means

to be without a share in
to miss the mark
to err, be mistaken
to miss or wander from the path of uprightness and honour, to do or go wrong
to wander from the law of God, violate God's law, sin

Now when you look in 1 John chapter 3, you must ask yourself is the meaning in the definition above practices? Remember habitual refers to practices?

For example, is being in a share with something a practice?
---John_9346 on 6/21/15


The definition I provided comes from the Greek the Original Language of the New Testament.-john9346

John
You provided the word "Habitual", which is an English translation of a Greek word.
So what does the translated word "Habitual", mean in English?

Allow me.
"Habitual" -of the nature of a habit.
"Habit" -an acquired behavior pattern regularly followed until it has become almost involuntary

Is your sin voluntary, or is it involuntary? If you sin, and you do not want to sin, isn't it "Involuntary"? If it's involuntary, your sin is "Habitual".

John don't deny the obvious.
---David on 6/20/15


The apostle Paul struggled with doing the things he did not want to do and the things he wanted to do so now are you saying Paul wasn't save see Romans 7:15-25?-john

John
Now as to this comment, What did Paul say caused his sin? Wasn't it the sin which lived in him?

Didn't Paul say, the source which caused his sin, had died? (Romans 7:11) If that which caused him to sin died, what makes you believe Paul still sinned?
If he still sinned after the source was dead, why did he sin?

If you have a flu virus, and it makes you cough, do you still have that cough when the Flu virus is dead?
Read from the words of Paul in (Romans 8:12 & 13) as to what causes sin to die.
---David on 6/19/15


Hi David,

The definition I provided comes from the Greek the Original Language of the New Testament.

I believe for myself to allow the Scriptures to tell me what they mean and not me tell the Scriptures what they mean. The more I have done this in my life God has been faithful to show himself to me and bless me.

May Yahweh guide,

John
---john9346 on 6/19/15


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The definition of sin is a habitual practice against God -john9346

John
If you get your definition of (John 3:1-9) from one of the newer translations, you are correct, but if you read the earlier Translations, like the KJV, you are wrong.

Allow me to apply a little logic to show you the foolishness of some of these newer translations.

If someone smokes 10 cigarettes a week, though they do not want to smoke, it's called a habit.
So why is it a habit, when a smoker who doesn't want to smoke, still smokes, but it is not a habit, when the sinner who doesn't want to sin, still sins?

How many sins constitute their definition of a habit? Where in the Bible is this number?

Foolishness?
You decide.
---David on 6/19/15


Hi David,

1. The definition of sin is a habitual practice against God see 1 John 3:1-9 5:17-22.

2. Someone falling in to sin is not the same as one continuing to do sin.

3. The apostle Paul struggled with doing the things he did not want to do and the things he wanted to do so now are you saying Paul wasn't save see Romans 7:15-25?
---john9346 on 6/18/15


3. Like the sins I mention people fall in to these sins even though they don't want to and God is merciful.-john9346

John
And because they "Do what they do not want to do", what does that make them according to Jesus in (John 8:34)? And do these folks who "Do what they do not want to do", appear to be saved, according to Jesus in (John 8:35)?

4. Suicide is no different then the sins I mentioned. There are people who will fall in to suicide and God will forgive them.

John
Don't you need to confess a sin for it to be forgiven? How can someone confess after they have killed themselves?
---David on 6/18/15


David,

1. My point is that everyone of us struggles with a sin in our lives.

2. Like it or not that sin does cause us to fall.

3. Like the sins I mention people fall in to these sins even though they don't want to and God is merciful.

4. Suicide is no different then the sins I mentioned. There are people who will fall in to suicide and God will forgive them.
---john9346 on 6/17/15


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How can someone, under Gods Grace, someone with the Joy of the Lord, ever think of lying, fornication, stealing, adultery, and not loving God perfectly.-john9346

John
Do you really believe those who commit these sins, are in Gods favor? Churches may teach this foolishness, but Jesus Christ didn't (John 14:21).

Look at your own experience with God,.... does God bless your life when you are sinning,.... or when you are keeping the commands of Jesus Christ?

What happens, when God puts a command in your heart to help someone, and you do what he tells you to do? Doesn't God bless you with Joy for keeping this command? This is why Jesus called the man wise who does what he tells them to do. They learn the Truth!
---David on 6/16/15


David you said, "Now if I had suicide on my mind, I would definitely wonder, if I truly belonged to the Lord. How can someone, someone under Gods Grace, someone with the Joy of the Lord, ever think of suicide?"

David, How can someone, under Gods Grace, someone with the Joy of the Lord, ever think of lying, fornication, stealing, adultery, and not loving God perfectly. Simply because we all have a Sin Nature that is being conformed to Christ daily, suicide would be no exception.

Suicide does not mean a person is Mentally Ill.
---john9346 on 6/15/15


I don't believe that one day he became UNborn-again. He became ill. Only God knows the whole story.---Rita_H on 5/21/15

AMEN! We are fearful and hopeful at the same time.

God is MERCIFUL esp with the mentally ill.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/21/15

I liked your two hearts on this subject. You freely give hope and allow GOD's considerations.
You made me think deeper on the mentally ill subject. Thanks.
Christ drove the demons out of many we would have called crazy or mentally ill.
GOD and Christ showed mercy and no fear...and like Rita said...they and they only know the whole story.
Mat_10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
---Trav on 6/11/15


Donna
I truly hate living in this world, but the Lord has also filled me with Joy, so I can enjoy the beauty of his creation, man, beast and this incredible landscape we call Earth.

Now if I had suicide on my mind, I would definitely wonder, if I truly belonged to the Lord. How can someone, someone under Gods Grace, someone with the Joy of the Lord, ever think of suicide?

I would tell this suicidal person, who has been taught they are living in Gods favor, to run from those who are teaching them this foolishness.

If you look only look at the bad things in this world, you will miss all of Gods Goodness.
---David on 6/10/15


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Rom 8:9 . . . if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

ONLY those having the Spirit residing in their human bodies are saved.

Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified (executed) the flesh . . .

When the Spirit (God) resides in a human, that human has a much greater desire to do what God wants and a much less desire to do what his flesh wants.

Heb 9:27 . . . it is appointed (has a reservation) unto men once to die . . .


God decides length of life - Job 14:5. Thus, he cannot commit suicide -- God does not have a SAVED person murder himself.

He is never lonely or miserable. God is always his Companion.
---aservant on 6/10/15


The Bible tells us go and sin no more therefore what God understands when people continue in sin is that they have not committed to him 100%. The Bible teaches Resist the Devil and he will flee. Further Jesus was tempted in all ways like as we are yet without sin. It's Satan's job to tempt and Our job to resist. God has given us power over all the power of the enemy in Jesus name therefore when we stand in the authority given us,the power through the infilling of the Holy Ghost we can resist sin,we must resist sin. Jesus says be holy as he is holy,that shows we can be. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/9/15


Hi, I like John's answer. Our God is a compassionate and understanding God who fully understands grief and pain. Nonetheless, suicide should be discouraged at all costs! For one thing, it's one of the worst things they can do to the loved ones they leave behind.
---Mary on 6/2/15


This is a very good question. The answer is no God will not send that person to hell. You see when you think about it we all have a propincity to a particular sin for some it is sex, drugs, alcohol, and for others it is suicide.

Also just because a person have thoughts of suicide or commits the act it doesn't mean they are Mentally Ill, demonically possess, or unsaved/born again as some denominations believe.
---john9346 on 5/31/15


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Kathr4453 So sorry about your sister-in-law but she was physically ill,after childbirth there's a dramatic drop in hormones,estrogen and progesterone. The thyroid hormone may drop too leaving a person tired,sluggish,and depressed. That requires treatment,counseling and medication. She could not help the changes in her body which produced the depression,it wasn't a spiritual condition or failure. It wasn't mental illness but there are some which do produce or are caused by hormone changes. I must tell you not all stumble and fall everyday,I don't. You're right Satan is always looking for someone to lead astray but the Bible says we have power over all the power of the enemy in Jesus Name,but some don't know that. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/21/15


I don't believe that one day he became UNborn-again. He became ill. Only God knows the whole story.---Rita_H on 5/21/15

AMEN! We are fearful and hopeful at the same time.

God is MERCIFUL esp with the mentally ill.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/21/15


I knew a born-again Christian who, eventually killed himself. He had been saved, became a bible student, then trained as a minister and was ordained. Some years later he developed some kind of mental illness (I don't know the history of how that came about) but he went on to make several attempts at suicide over a period of several years. Sadly, he eventually succeeded in killing himself.

I don't believe that one day he became UNborn-again. He became ill. Only God knows the whole story.
---Rita_H on 5/21/15


Darlene1, I believe a person can be in Christ and kill themselves. My sister in law did. Post Partom (sp) big time. Not all who are saved are strengthened by MIGHT in the inner man Ephesians 3:14-21. That takes time. We all stumble and fall every day. I know my sister in law was saved. It's hard to understand. Satan sneaks around looking for the vulnerable whom he desires to catch. And once one lets him get a hold of the mind and human emotions, it is spiritual warfare like you will never know. BUT it also takes our cooperation with the Holy Spirit. That cooperation comes through God's Word to fight back. If one is not in the word, one has no weapons of warfare.
---kathr4453 on 5/20/15


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/We are buried with Christ(baptism) and arise a new creature in him to sin no more.\-Darlene_1 on 5/20/15
So, if I understand you correctly, you have not lied since you have been baptized.
How then are you conforming to the image of His Son if, after baptism, you have become like Him?
Rom 8:29
How can you ask for daily forgiveness if you have no offences?
Mat 6, Luke 11
You post that after baptism we "sin no more.
A reference to 1John which also says:
1Jo 1:8,10 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us...If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
Your condemnation disregards the work of God in a person's life.
---micha9344 on 5/20/15


Micha9344 I'm sorry but you are sadly mistaken,I didn't tell a lie,you may as well have said it because you meant it that way. A person can't be "in Christ" and kill themselves. Romans 16:16 Know you not,that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey,his servants you are to whom you obey,whether of sin unto death,or of obedience unto righteousness. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (tells us) the body is a temple of the Holy Ghost,you are not your own,you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. One does not honor God with their body if they kill themselves. They will be punished for they can't ask forgiveness after death. We are buried with Christ(baptism) and arise a new creature in him to sin no more. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/20/15


When a person lies, sadly they do bear false witness. It shows they don't have faith in God to help them....Lying also shows they don't have love because... love is a major part of being a born again, redeemed Christian. You must love God with all your being and your neighbor as yourself... Lying shows there is no love for oneself. It seems they will be judged like any sinner. Of course there will always be a debate about whether they were mentally ill but giving up on oneself doesn't always mean mental illness.
This statement is just as false as Darlene's.
An error in judgment without confession does not mean the person was not "in Christ."
We all are being perfected to His likeness.
---micha9344 on 5/19/15


When a person kills themselves sadly they do murder themselves. It shows they don't have faith in God to help them,without faith it's impossible to please God. Killing oneself also shows they don't have love because love suffers long and is kind and love is a major part of being a born again,redeemed Christian. You must love God with all your being and your neighbor as yourself,to me that means we are to love ourselves. Killing shows there is no love for oneself. It seems they will be judged like any sinner. Of course there will always be a debate about whether they were mentally ill but giving up on oneself doesn't always mean mental illness. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/19/15


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Mat.26 v 14. Judas one the twelve, a follower of Jesus. He could have went to Jesus to ask for forgiveness. Instead he took his own life, be lost for eternity. Taking your own life is not repentance.
---Lawrence on 5/19/15


"It was his choice to take his own life, not God's.
Thou shall not kill, even your own life."

---Lawrence on 5/19/15

Ummm,

Where do we find in scripture the part you're adding?

Don't kill or else hell?

do you eat animals while they're still alive? Maybe you catch them sleeping and only bite a chunk out of the leg?

You're ridiculous, Lawrence.
---James_L on 5/19/15


Judas is not lost forever because he committed suicide, it was because he never believed in the first place.
He was looking for a messiah of his own viewpoint.
Upon deciding Jesus was not who Judas thought he should be, other decisions were made.
Judas essentially killed Jesus before he killed himself and it would seem he was always a thief and a liar.
He heard the Word, but was not a doer.
He saw himself in a mirror, turned, and forgot what he saw.
Jesus said he was lost.
---micha9344 on 5/19/15


Why do you think committing suicide causes someone to be lost forever?
---learner2 on 5/19/15


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It was his choice to take his own life, not God's.
Thou shall not kill, even your own life.
---Lawrence on 5/19/15


Why do you think Judas is lost forever?
---learner2 on 5/18/15


Judas was a follower. He hung himself took his own life. Now lost forever.
---Lawrence on 5/18/15


"There is a difference between THE FAITH, and FAITH. To fall away from THE FAITH, is to fall away from the doctrines of the faith. No one is saved by doctrines to begin with. People can be taught THE FAITH without ever having personal faith."
---kathr4453 on 5/18/15

That's a good point. But these passages don't have to be relegated to a hypothetical scenario, or assigned to "spurious" faith.

When we do that, we're simply agreeing as to the fate of such person.

There isn't a single warning passage which mentions hell
---James_L on 5/18/15


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Have you not read about sinning no more? Or the Parable of the Sower?
---Steveng on 5/15/15


Well, you must not read the Parable of the Sower the same way I do. Who do you see as Christians in this parable?

I see only the seeds who mature and bear fruit. How many of these do you think fall away?

Also, many places the Bible calls us "sons" or "children" of God. When do sons and daughters stop being sons and daughters? I have learned that adopted sons and daughters can never be "unadopted". They are children of the parents forever. Our relationship with God is not different.

As Believers, we need to learn and understand the grace of God.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/18/15


There is a difference between THE FAITH, and FAITH. To fall away from THE FAITH, is to fall away from the doctrines of the faith. No one is saved by doctrines to begin with. People can be taught THE FAITH without ever having personal faith.
---kathr4453 on 5/18/15


"Have you not read the warning to christians about backsliding and falling away from the faith (one must have faith to begin with in order to fall away, eh?).

Have you not read about sinning no more? Or the Parable of the Sower?"

---Steveng on 5/15/15

I'm really curious.....

Where does Hebrews mention anyone going to hell?

Where does the parable of the soils/sower mention anyone going to hell?


Where does any "warning" passage mention hell?
---James_L on 5/17/15


Mark_Eaton wrote: "So, these Scripture are incorrect or conditional?...

Have you not read the warning to christians about backsliding and falling away from the faith (one must have faith to begin with in order to fall away, eh?).

Have you not read about sinning no more? Or the Parable of the Sower?
---Steveng on 5/15/15


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1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with other, and the blood of jesus Christ his son cleanest us from all sin,

1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness,

1 John 5:18 - We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not: but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and the wicked one toucheth him not,
---RichardC on 5/12/15


Hi, Donna . . . God bless you (c: Please consider that Paul says >

"For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you." (Philippians 1:23-24)

Paul suffered a lot of pain and trouble on this earth, but he loved us and so he wanted to be here for us. So, suicide can mean a person does not consider anyone worth staying here to love. If a person does not love, I can't tell you that person is a Christian.

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment, because as he is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)
---Bill on 5/12/15


Jesus did not pay for our future sins for it is written that most christians will fall away from the faith.
---Steveng on 5/11/15

So, these Scripture are incorrect or conditional?

Heb 10:10 " By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all"

1 John 2:12 "I write to you, little children, Because your sins are forgiven you for His names sake."

Eph 2:4-6 "But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus"
---Mark_Eaton on 5/12/15


Cluny, When God created the Earth, he surely said it was good. But man fell from grace and God cursed the groung and Satan is now the god of this world. Christians must endure unto the end.

Mark, Jesus did not pay for our future sins for it is written that most christians will fall away from the faith. One must have faith to begin with in order to fall away from it.

Donna, mature christians will not think of suicide. One the other hand, weak christians might think so. It's up to you to help this newly born or weak christian to gain knowledge so he/she could walk on their own, be strong, and endure unto the end. Matthew 24:13
---Steveng on 5/11/15


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Will God send a saved person to hell if they lost their will to live and want to kill themselves?
---donna9393 on 5/10/15

My response is a question to you. Your question said "Does GOD send a saved person to hell...".

Is this person saved or not? If this person is saved, can they be unsaved or lost again?

However you answer these questions is how you will answer the blog question.

I believe we will see suicides after death because I believe that Jesus paid for all our sins, past, present, and future. If Jesus did not pay for all my sins, I had better be given last rites or pray for forgiveness right before I die otherwise I might have sin on my record.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/11/15


Donna, what you are suggesting is PREMEDITATED MURDER. Those who are Christ's are already OFF this planet, as we are seated with Christ in heavenly places. Maybe this is the issue here. You need to look up, and not down and around. You need to learn to live by faith, and not by sight.

Surely there are those who's lives are truly in peril every day, and still have the Joy of the Lord in them.
---kathr4453 on 5/11/15


donna, the earth is not miserable.

When God created it, He said it was very good.

On the basis of your other posts today and recently, I think you need help.

The right help will be able to make you think more clearly and see positive ways out of bad situations.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/15


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