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Does God Listen To Prayer

Does God listen to prayer, or is it just speaking words into empty space?

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Thank you Lacey for not speaking where you don't know. I endeavor to do so.

First. Does the Bible teach that Scripture is the final authority. The Latin Term comes from Martin Luther in his arguments with the Papal representatives.

2timothy 3:16 scripture for doctrine.

2Thessalonians 2:15 All that the Apostles wrote and spoke was to be followed. So latter Bishops are not to teach against the words of the Apostles.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Jesus answered Devil with "It is written" Matthew 4:4

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/29/15


We do not speak words into empty spaces when we pray. I have had very many answers to prayer for personal issues and whilst praying for others. The answers are not always exactly what I'd expected but they were answers and were always beneficial.

We must remember that God's answers are not always what we, first, hoped for but they will always be the best. Sometimes we pray amiss and God has to correct us and we might, initially and incorrectly, think of those as unanswered prayer.
---Rita_H on 5/29/15


Samuel how can you claim you know the RCC history when you pick and choose verses from the Bible.
NO WHERE in the Bible speaks about Sola Scriptora.

Oddly people who disagree with the RCC love to say 'only Scripture' in Latin????

Anywho, 2 Thessalonians 2:15
Paul tells you in the Bible ...stand FIRM and HOLD fast to the TRADITIONS that you were taught, EITHER by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a letter (Bible) of ours.

Please cite from CCC stating Church over Bible?
You are mistaken.
Please read the CCC to know our beliefs before stating something as fact.

I don't speak about SDA because I don't know anything to tell others about SDA.
And I wouldn't argue against SDA without such knowledge.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/28/15


Thank you Cluny.

Dear Nicole I know a fair amount about the History of the RCC.

I believe in Sola Scriptora that the Bible is the Final authority in all doctrinal matters.

The RCC Believes in the authority of the church above Scripture.

I believe that we should only pray to GOD through our High Priest Jesus.

I do not believe in Purgatory. I believe that Salvation is by Grace that results in works done for love that have no merit for salvation.

I do not believe in the Authority of the Pope as he is just a man and is not the successor of Peter. There have been good popes and Terrible ones.

This is a start. If I have misstated the RCC position let me know.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/28/15


Samuel, I know you don't hate the RCC, but I think you are incorrect about the Doctrines or Dogmas given by the RCC.
Bishop Sheen said it best for those who do hate the RCC.

There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.
-Bishop Sheen
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/28/15




\\Both you and Cluny sometimes forget that all there was increasing separation after about 900 AD. Cluny I can be off I am going from memory. So if you could help.\\

That's about right.

While the split is usually dated to 1054, it had begun in some places earlier, and was not definitive in other places until centuries later.

Peter III, Chalcedonian Patriarch of Antioch wrote letters to both the Pope and Patriarch of Constantinople telling them to be reconciled.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/28/15


Hello Monk Brendon

I don't hate the RCC. But I do believe it teaches many false doctrines.

In history and today there are many beautiful in the RCC church. But also in the first church. Since the RCC was not truly separate until 1054.

Both you and Cluny sometimes forget that all there was increasing separation after about 900 AD. Cluny I can be off I am going from memory. So if you could help.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/28/15


Trav said, "Your church cult "father" that you prostrate before,"
Really? When and where ... prostrating myself before the Pope,...?
---Monk_Brendan on 5/27/15


Mat_23:9 call no man your father upon the earth:
I didn't use the word off the cuff. Your defense/submission is posted. The most obvious mark is you cannot provide scriptural basis for an un-scripturally marked executive body you place between you and Christ. You really don't even know why you agreed to be under their authority.
Hate the r.c.c."s? Not correct. I "hate every false way" authority they have over you and millions. Psa_119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
---Trav on 5/28/15


Trav said, "Your church cult "father" that you prostrate before,"

Really? When and where have you seen ME prostrating myself before the Pope, or any bishop, priest, deacon, or anyone except God Himself?

...
And he is "Pope", meaning Papa, "holy father" Francis.

Mat_23:9 call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.


Without looking, can you recite the next verse?
...
One will and all should pray for the "sheep" entangled within this cult.



And I will pray for you, Trav, that you can be freed of this hatred you have for the Catholic Church

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 5/27/15


Cliff, you said, "I guess what bothers me most is the claim that God heard your prayer and healed the arthritis in your knee while allowing the ten remaining apostles to be murdered !" And Isaiah 57:1 says >

"The righteous perishes,
. And no man takes it to heart,
. Merciful men are taken away,
. While no one considers
. That the righteous is taken away from the evil."

So, possibly the apostles would tell you how they were better off, by being killed, so they would be taken away from this world's evil.

However . . . even though Paul would have loved to die and be with Jesus, he understood that we needed him to be here for us > (Philippians 1:23-24)
---Bill on 5/27/15




He is called "Vicar" of Christ. Meaning a "replacement".---Trav on 5/26/15

Trav, you are fast and loose with your words. Thank God you were never asked to translate the Bible.

Not, replacement as you put it. A CEO isn't the owner.
Unless they say CEO and Owner.
Remember Jacob in Egypt? He wasn't Pharaoh, but he had the keys to food bind for the known world.

Vicar means is a representative, deputy or substitute, anyone acting "in the person of" or agent for a superior (compare "vicarious" in the sense of "at second hand").

Please speak of what you know and not what you wish to know, so you to criticizes falsely.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/27/15


Trav said, "
Actually, Trav, Pope Francis was born Jorge Mario Bergoglio,...
---Monk_Brendan on 5/25/15

Your church cult "father" that you prostrate before, calls himself a succession of Peter.
He is called "Vicar" of Christ. Meaning a "replacement".
And he is "Pope", meaning Papa, "holy father" Francis.

Mat_23:9 call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

You guys are an ancient confusion having no where to end it.
You are entirely purchased by your vows under this false authority.
One will and all should pray for the "sheep" entangled within this cult.
---Trav on 5/26/15


\\No true Christian TODAY or ever for that matter parades around wearing a self appointed CROWN on their head.\\

I've been meaning to ask you, kathr. How does a crown appoint itself?

That's what "self-appointed crown" means in English.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/25/15


Cliff: Jesus prayed to His Father that the "cup" of the cross might be taken from Him, but the answer was NO, and He accepted the cross. Where would we be if He had not gone through with it?

Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Are the Apostles, Christian Martyrs and you and I better than Christ? I don't think so.



---jerry6593 on 5/26/15


Trav said, "
Francis is Francis. Born Francis and will pass, Francis. If resurrected, judged Francis. He is not "reincarnated" Peter.'


Actually, Trav, Pope Francis was born Jorge Mario Bergoglio, and not Francis. One never knows how God will address someone on the other side of death.

And there is no teaching in the Catholic Church that says that a Pope is the reincarnation of Peter.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 5/25/15


1stCliff, I cannot explain why such tragedies as you have mentioned on this blog happen.

All I can say is that we Christians believe that this world is NOT all there is.

Remember that.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/24/15


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I guess what bothers me most is the claim that God heard your prayer and healed the arthritis in your knee while allowing the ten remaining apostles to be murdered !
Oh well, that's life......is it?
What urgent thing do you pray for? (outside of health issues)
---1st_cliff on 5/24/15


1st Cliff Sorry but you are very very wrong,I never nor ever would think my life more important than others. Nicole Lacey and Rita H are right our prayers,the answer to our prayers sometimes is no. I would say God says yes,no,later according to His plan for our lives. He has said no to me but I praise Him anyway because I love Him and know He loves me. 1st Cliff every Spiritual thing we receive is through Jesus and is the pathway to God and there is no other way because Jesus is the only sacrifice for our sins. Hebrews 7:24-25--,he(Jesus) has a permanent priesthood. Therefore He is able to save completely those who come to God through Him,because He always lives to intercede for them. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/24/15


"I know many people who believe they can get a yes to any request by the amount of praying given to God." Yes Nicole, this is a big problem to many people who cannot grasp that an answer to a request (of anyone) is sometimes 'NO' and so it is with our requests to God. He knows that some of the things we ask for will not be good for us so His answer is 'no' (and, sometimes, 'wait') so we should never tell others that God did not answer our prayer.
---Rita_H on 5/24/15


Cliff: Christians have been tortured and slain since the time of Christ - millions of them. Many of the Christian Martyrs of the Dark Ages sang hymns while burning to death. They were connected to God via PRAYER. Jesus taught us to pray, and we are encouraged to pray continually. Jesus never promised to keep us out of persecution, but rather that He would take us through it.


---jerry6593 on 5/24/15


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Now the Roman pope wears a simple mitre, same as other western bishops.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/23/15

What some call simple, others may call totally inappropriate. Every believer is a king and priest unto God. But we don't walk around with a mitre on our heads. And there is no scripture whatsoever even suggesting we should. No one person in the Body of Christ is more important than another. In the body of Christ there is only ONE HEAD, who is Jesus Christ. Within the body, there is no hiarchy. Scripture tells us that even pastors and bishops are not to LORD IT OVER others.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/15


\\Cluny, maybe you don't know this part of history, but the Jews and the Turks were getting along just fine living together in that part of the world before the crusades. \\

Actually, Jews and mahometans got together perfectly until the Second Aliyah in the late 19th early 20th centuries.

\\And exactly what is that big ol thing the Pope wears on his head?\\

I don't know what planet you've been living on, but "that big ol thing", properly called a camelaucum or triregno was abandoned half a century ago. It was never an item of liturgical vesture, anyway.

Now the Roman pope wears a simple mitre, same as other western bishops.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/23/15


I think what Cliff is saying that God answers all prayers.
Just because His answer is no doesn't mean someone wasn't praying.

I know many people who believe they can get a yes to any request by the amount of praying given to God.
That's a childish way of thinking.

Remember God chose us first. Which means not a single prayer was made to get God's attention to us.

We should pray as a child but not act as a child if His answer is delayed or is no.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/23/15


OK' Put yourself in Auschwitz between 1933 and 1945, The captives prayed desperately for help,6 million were cremated , with no help!
Your life was more important than theirs??
Oh well they didn't believe in Jesus, (I don't buy that argument for a second) They were human beings.
Lately we saw signs "Black lives matter"
Was this a case of "Jewish lives don't matter"?
---1st_cliff on 5/23/15


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1st Cliff with all respect for your right to your opinions but you say you live in the real world,Christians must live in the flesh but live by the Spirit not to live of the flesh. We are in this world but not of this world. God will never answer a prayer for someone who doesn't believe He will answer. We pray but it is faith that moves mountains and with faith is trust in God and His Word. At six months old I had double pneumonia,at five a Staph infection in my ears,I've had 11 major surgeries,been in car wreaks ,got concussions but God brought me through all of that and more. My faith grew stronger with each thing because I knew God answers prayers and that He did bring me through. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/23/15


Who am I to say God didn't answer your prayer. I'm just an observer in the real world!
I've heard dozens of testimonies of how God answered prayer by healing!
Did He lift a finger to save 21 Christians from being decapitated? (don't tell me they didn't pray in Jesus' name)
Ah but He healed uncle Joe's gout in his big toe !
I live in the real world !
---1st_cliff on 5/23/15


Richard, If Jesus is really in control of the keys as you found out in Revelations, then can He do what ever He wishes with the keys?

You grew up in the RCC as I did. But, only as an adult can you truly understand your faith.
Jewish children follow all rituals ordered by their parents. When they are adults they understand and are grateful.

Billy Joel said he hated it when his mother forced him to practice his piano lessons. Now he is grateful.

If you had the chance to speak to the President or his spoke persons which one would you choose?

The Bible leads up the Summit and descends from it. The Gospels are the Summit of the Bible.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/23/15


Cliff: It is an unfortunate fact of life that bad things happen to good people. But it is not necessarily God's fault. There is an enemy bent on our destruction, and his acts are sometimes credited to God. Jesus wants us to "Pray without ceasing" - 1Th 5:17 Prayer is the breath of the soul. We can't live (spiritually speaking) without it.


---jerry6593 on 5/23/15


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Oh yes God answers prayers big time!! My husband has just finished his six month checkup and appointment with the Cardiologist two weeks ago he had been treating him for Congestive Heart Failure and irregular heart beat. One test was an Echo cardiogram and the doctor told my husband he didn't see any Congestive Heart Failure or Irregular Heartbeat on that test at all. I had been praying God would heal him and God answered my prayers. Three years ago he was in the hospital and almost died with that condition. Glory to God in the Name of Jesus !!! God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/23/15


Yes Jerry, Somehow this blog jumped the track,I have much to say about prayer,
I once attended a very large Christian assembly where the closing prayer went something like this "Lord, watch over our brothers and sisters and grant them a safe journey home ,in Jesus name amen"
A couple with 2 children ,living upstairs in our home also attended in their camper truck.....I can still see ,in my mind, the debris and wreckage strewn for 1'2 mile along the highway. One little girl killed, other 3 in hospital, they didn't quite make it home! Rear ended by an18 wheeler!
I'm thinking, fat lot of good that prayer did !
---1st_cliff on 5/22/15


"Bill, **Father forgive them for they know not what they do** is not so ! Luke has a way of adding his own words, they knew exactly what they were doing !God did not forgive them because in 70AD 97,000 Jews died at the hands of the Romans !(for their brutality)
---1st_cliff on 5/13/15"

Hi, Cliff and everyone (c: Yes, Jesus prayed for them to be forgiven. In His own heart He did forgive them, but they did not receive it. I consider that Jesus means they did not realize what they were doing, who Jesus really is. And yes that criminal next to Jesus got forgiven. And Luke says this happened after Jesus prayed that. So, I can see the prayer did work, but not all obeyed the benefit.
---Bill on 5/22/15


How did this blog morph into the "apostolic succession from Peter" blog? This blog is about prayer. Maybe if more of it were done, you'd be able to focus better.

Just sayin'.

---jerry6593 on 5/22/15


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Nicole - Where coming from two directions, you have it when Jesus is speaking that has the most authority, I come from the whole bible is divinely given, All is the word of God, So we will never come to agreement, Grew up in RCC - but RCC or just bible base, seem to me to be two different roads - research out - 2 Timothy 3:16

Matthew 16:18 - Haven't done a lot of study on this verses - Peter is given the commission of bring the gospel, But then to all the apostles - I think around Acts 10:41-42 -

Revelation 3:7 - But it is really Christ that is control of the keys - no man shutteth - and no man openeth
---RichardC on 5/21/15


Richard, again you are quoting outside the Gospels.
Address Matthew 16 using Jesus Words.

If you only had one Gospel of the 4, you are still okay because you have Jesus speaking.
If you had all parts of the Bible, but not a single Gospel you are incomplete.

That's how you and some back up their thoughts by using Scriptures without the Gospel.

You again gave Scriptures and not a single Word of Jesus.

Please quote from the Gospel to explain why Jesus didn't give the keys to Peter.
Jesus knew Peter will die within the next 50 years.
Are you suggesting the keys Heaven disappears after Peter's death? If so, but explain using the Gospels. Please.
I used the Gospel, so return with the Gospel.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/21/15


BTW, Jews were expelled from Jerusalem by the pagan Romans. Only the Christ-hating mahometans under the Turkish empire let them back in.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/21/15

Cluny, maybe you don't know this part of history, but the Jews and the Turks were getting along just fine living together in that part of the world before the crusades.

And exactly what is that big ol thing the Pope wears on his head? I just can't picture Peter, Paul John or any of the apostles going around dressed like that.
---kathr4453 on 5/21/15


Nicole - not to run to Romans as if Paul know more Jesus ????????

2 Timothy 3:16 - ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

2 Peter 1:21 - For prophecy came Not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost,

( Genesis To Revelation is the Word of God - Also refer Jeremiah 36:4

Nicole - If you decide to mediate on the Gospel ??????????

1 Corinthians 2:13 - Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost Teacheth , comparing spiritual things with spiritual,

( Bible set up it own interpretation )
---RichardC on 5/21/15


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\\No true Christian TODAY or ever for that matter parades around wearing a self appointed CROWN on their head.\\

I know NOBODY who does that. Do you? Or do you think you do?

BTW, Jews were expelled from Jerusalem by the pagan Romans. Only the Christ-hating mahometans under the Turkish empire let them back in.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/21/15


Pope Francis is Peter now.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/20/15

Francis is Francis. Born Francis and will pass, Francis. If resurrected, judged Francis. He is not "reincarnated" Peter.
In a flat earth period, and today spiritually ignorant rcc men conned a trusting illiterate people with a false front and a wall before truth. It's "universal" purpose and name, are not found scripturally. Except as a doctrinal fallacys.
Has a massive lack of signs and marks of Christ's commands to Peter, for the Ekklesia. Foundation from the beginning is not built with the stone of these scriptures.
Joh_21:15...He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
Joh_21:17...third time, Simon,...Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
---Trav on 5/21/15


Do you actually think that it was a JEWISH city at that time? If so, you don't know as much history as you thought you did.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/15

You don't actually believe it was a ROMAN City at that time? Maybe in Rome's eyes, but not God's. True Christians have never been instructed in scripture to take up arms and murder anyone in the name of Jesus Christ. Why would any Protestant ( yes there have always been those from the beginning who opposed the RCC) would JOIN with the RCC to murder in the name of Jesus Christ? Rome has never changed.....except for it's cloths. The RCC is ROME in drag. No true Christian TODAY or ever for that matter parades around wearing a self appointed CROWN on their head.
---kathr4453 on 5/21/15


Yea Kathyr good point. True RichardC. Correct Cluny the Crusaders were sent by the Pope to rid Jerusalem of Muslims. Killing the Jews and Ebionite Christians was just a bonus.

True there are many churches today. Why because people have free will. They are not subject to an autocratic ruler who tells them what to believe or die.

Every person will have to stand before GOD in judgement for what they did. But a person who killed thousands to enforce his will on others will not be left out of the judgment.

Martin Luther gained no power or riches. He did not live in one of the most beautiful palaces in the world with beautiful houses for his concubines. He spent a lot of time fleeing for his life.

I know history.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/21/15


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Nicole - Keys to Peter To francis ? For those that have ears to hear,---RichardC on 5/20/15

Yes, if you decide to mediate on the Gospel and not run to Romans as if Paul knows more than Jesus.

Pope Francis not St Francis. I just wanted to make that clear.

Many want to ignore Jesus' Words and Commands.
Paul is obeying Jesus.

Matthew 16:19 is in your Bible no matter if you agree with it or not.
That verse isn't going anyway.

Please open your ears.
It's okay, Jesus knows what He is doing. It is His Kingdom and He can put WHOMEVER HE WISHES IN CHARGE.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/21/15


Kathr, what part of the Head of the Church do you think I don't understand.

Jesus is the Head. We are the Church which is His Body.

Please tell me where the RCC states the Pope is the Head of the Body of Christ?
Cite your sources, not your opinions please.

Look up the word 'Vicar'.

A vicar Latin: is a representative, deputy or substitute, anyone acting "in the person of" or agent for a superior (compare "vicarious" in the sense of "at second hand").

The RCC states the Pope is the Vicar of Christ.

Jesus is Head of the Church Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow.
We agree! Peace
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/21/15


\\Well, except for Henry VIII , who broke that yoke off his neck.\\

And look at what Anglicanism, especially the Church of England, has become today.

\\And CHRISTIANS had nothing to do with the Crusades, the RCC did.\\

You claimed on another blog that the RCC was trying to take over Jerusalem during the Crusades.

Do you actually think that it was a JEWISH city at that time? If so, you don't know as much history as you thought you did.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/15


Cliff: Unfortunately, they didn't print Part 2.

Part2 - So we sold the TN place and bought a lovely FL home on 2 oak-studded acres. But the stuff was still in TN. I prayed incessantly that God would find a way to get the stuff to FL without my having to drive it. Then I got a call out of the blue from a Christian friend who had moved to TN, who I hadn't spoken to in a year. He said "Jerry, I don't know what's going on, but I'm supposed to rent a moving truck, load up your stuff and take it to you in FL - if you'll pay for the rental." I said sure, and he did.

That was one of many "coincidences" that God has blessed me with, and I'm nothing special. God will answer your prayers too.

---jerry6593 on 5/21/15


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Scripture says nothing about any keys being passed on. Peter preaching on the day of Pentecost is what that verse refers to. There are no keys to pass on. Peter was NOT a pope or the first pope. Peter was never in Rome in the first place.

Jesus said MY KINGDOM is NOT of this world. And the Kingdom Peter preached is not of this world. You may want to read 2 Peter 1 to,the very end of the chapter for that PROOF.
Jesus Christ is head of the Church Nicole, always was and always will be. Giving someone keys to,the kingdom does not make then the HEAD. 1st and 2nd Peter from his own words shows all the RCC as imposters.
---kathr4453 on 5/21/15


Nicole - Keys to Peter To francis ?

Were in the world do you get that from ?
to me that's a gospel of man, not God,

Romans 10:17 - So faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God,

For those that have ears to hear,
---RichardC on 5/20/15


Trav, Jesus didn't die to put you in charge. He gave the keys to Peter. Pope Francis is Peter now.

Sorry, but last count I heard was 67000 different Protestant church. If a guy disagrees with his Pastor he leaves and starts another store front church making it 67001.

Then one of his members gets mad with him stating he knows the Bible better than him and so starts another church 67002.

Do you see the cycle?
After people saw Martin Luther start his own church seeking power, they get power hunger and broke away from him. Calvinist (sp?) I believe.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/20/15


RCC are Christians!
Before 1054...
RCC is growing ...
We are united and growing. Over 1 BILLION
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/20/15

Obvious and understandable that you defend what you are part of. Since 1054AD the wise seeing ones escaped this unscriptural "universal" one world order church.
Yes there are Christians in rcc.
They are not the head though. They are the blind body supporting a diseased monster head.
One Billion on a road is a broad way. Many are trying to get your attention...but, you just keep skipping along.

Mat_7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, many there be which go in thereat:
---Trav on 5/20/15


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My understanding is that Kings and Queens were under the rule and power of the Pope and RCC. Well, except for Henry VIII , who broke that yoke off his neck.
And CHRISTIANS had nothing to do with the Crusades, the RCC did.---kathr4453 on 5/19/15

Really??
How can Henry VIII LEAVE IS UNDER RCC's power and control? How can Martin Luther leave?

RCC are Christians!
Before 1054, if you were Christian you were Catholic.
1054 to the 16th Century is when Christian started dividing as today.
The RCC is growing because as Jesus said "Divided you will fall. We are united and growing. Over 1 BILLION

Plus, how come Muslims and Jewish people call us Christian and never heard of the Protestants in America?
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/20/15


...Jesus was born a Jew,
...died a Jew,
All apostles were Jews.
Our Bible was written by Jews. Nuf said.
---Rod4Him on 5/14/15

Nuf said? Not by 1%.
Jesus was Judean of Tribe of Judah.
He came for "lost Sheep of the Northern House of Israel" who are not Judeans. Matt 10:6/15:24. Heb 8:8, says "and" Judah.
Bible was not written by "jews". It is a compliation of writings by the forefathers and lineage, of "all" Israel. Written by, for and to...All Israel.
Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
---Trav on 5/20/15


Rod4Him, No, in fact a lot of people love to point out it was the RCC holding the inquisitions, when in fact it was Kings and Queens who were Catholics holding the inquisitions.
A BIG DIFFERENCES.

Claiming that the Jews didn't have Jesus killed is like saying Christians didn't carry out the Crusades.

---Nicole_Lacey on 5/17/15

My understanding is that Kings and Queens were under the rule and power of the Pope and RCC. Well, except for Henry VIII , who broke that yoke off his neck.

And CHRISTIANS had nothing to do with the Crusades, the RCC did.
---kathr4453 on 5/19/15


Jerry, I'm happy that it worked out well for you ,to you it was an answer to your prayer. (coincidence cannot be ruled out)
On April 14 1912 , all was going fine on HMS Titanic, 'till an iceberg ripped open her hull.Slowly the ship was going down, the band played "Nearer my God to thee" as 2,200 passengers and crew prayed for rescue.For 705 their prayer was answered but for 1522 their prayer fell on deaf ears as they slowly sank beneath the fridged waters of the Atlantic

God is not partial ! Either He answers prayer or He doesn't !
---1st_cliff on 5/19/15


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Cliff: What a shame that you've never had your prayers answered. For me, answered prayer is the greatest developer of faith. One of the best ones I've experienced is this:

We had moved from Florida to Tennessee because my work had dried up and we owned a 20-acre wooded parcel in TN. But the work in FL came back after 6 mo. and we moved back, but lived in an apt. with all our stuff stored in TN. We prayed as to where we should live. We then got an unsolicited offer on our TN property for twice what it was worth.


---jerry6593 on 5/19/15


I was baptized in the 1950s was very zealous most of my life, but looking back, I can honestly say I've never seen prayer answered.
Mega coincidences, and mega fails, but nothing you can point to and say, without doubt, "That's an answered prayer"!

How many "World day of prayer for peace" have we seen in the last 100 years? We have never had "peace"
---1st_cliff on 5/18/15


Rod4Him, No, in fact a lot of people love to point out it was the RCC holding the inquisitions, when in fact it was Kings and Queens who were Catholics holding the inquisitions.
A BIG DIFFERENCES.

Claiming that the Jews didn't have Jesus killed is like saying Christians didn't carry out the Crusades.
Not all Jews wanted Jesus dead. The Women were following Him crying and wiped His Face.

But the facts are the facts.

Pagans wanted to save Jesus, but the leaders of the Jews wanted Him dead.
The Jews didn't think they were killing the Messiah. They were trying to protect the Temple They truly didn't know as Jesus Himself said when asking His Father to forgive them for ..."they don't know what they are doing."
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/17/15


//Jesus was rejected by His own people. A Jew rejected by the Jews.//

Jesus was rejected by the "leaders" of the Jewish people, and killed by Gentile leaders. Just because Pilate said, "I am innocent of this man's blood," does not make it so. He had Him killed sadistically, the way of the Romans, not the Jews.

It was the "leaders" of the Jews, (vs. Matt 27:20) "..the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowds" to say, "..., His blood be on us and on our children!" Just because the leaders said that does not make it so.

Very similar, do "all Christians" follow all what their pastors say? In addition, are "all" Christians guilty of the inquisition?
---Rod4Him on 5/16/15


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My dad/father never expected me to present him with my concerns ("prayer").

If I had done that, I would surely be "speaking words into" what you call "empty space" (my requests and concerns would be 'falling on deaf ears'). God feels the same (because just like my dad graciously gave me so much, God has also been a good provider).

Instead of ignoring God's gracious provisions/gifts, we should be satisfied with what He has given (we should let His grace be good enough for us...just as Paul decided to do). The Lord is my "SHEPHERD" (GUIDING me to find bounty/"green pastures"), I shall not be greedy/"WANT".

The Lord told THE JEWS to pray (honor Him with their lips).
---faithforfaith on 5/14/15


Rod for Him, **The bible was written by Jews** Wrong ! Luke was not a Jew !
---1st_cliff on 5/14/15


Was Peter lying??
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel...
Peter speaks to the nation of Israel ...
---michael_e on 5/14/15

Peter wasn't lying. He just told a truth you've never heard until lately.
Note your post above. "All the House of Israel".
There were 12 making up "All" the house of Israel. Thirteen counting Ephraim and Manasseh.
Your preacher and teacher lost "ten" of them...Christ hasn't. He came for them. Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jas_1:1 James, ... to the twelve tribes which are scattered...
1Pe_1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered ...
---Trav on 5/14/15


What Bible are some you all reading? All 4 Gospels are clear.

Jesus was rejected by His ow people. A Jew rejected by the Jews.

Only 3 pagans tried to save His life.

Matthew 27:24-25
So when Pilate saw that he was gaining nothing, (which means he tried to SAVE Jesus)...I am INNOCENT OF THIS RIGHTEOUS MAN'S BLOOD,...And all the people answered, His blood be on us and on our children!

Luke 23:14-5 ..I did not find this MAN guilty of ANY CHARGES AGAINST HIM, NEITHER did Herod,...nothing deserving death has been done by Him, ..I will chastise Him and RELEASE HIM.

Matthew 27:19..Have NOTHING to do with that RIGHTEOUS MAN,..

Leaders of the Jewish people wanted Jesus dead, not the Leaders of the Gentiles.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/14/15


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//The Jews are not responsible for the death of Jesus. This old lie has been used to justify all manner of evil.//

Very true! Unfortunately, most of that evil came from "Christians."

//We are to love all people especially the Jews.//

I agree, Jesus was born a Jew, lived a Jewish life, died a Jew, was resurrected a Jew, and is coming back as a Jewish Messiah.

All the apostles were Jews. Our Bible was written by Jews. Nuf said.
---Rod4Him on 5/14/15


Was Peter lying??
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Repeated in Acts 3:14 15.
Peter speaks to the nation of Israel (the Kingdom gospel Acts 2:38)
Paul speaks to the boC Jew and Gentile.(The gospel of the grace of God 1 Cor 15:1-4)
---michael_e on 5/14/15


Jews are not responsible for the death of Jesus. This old lie...
---Samuelbb7 on 5/14/15

Not responsible? They are responsible in more ways than you realize. Your jews some who may or may not be "Judeans" of Judah's family.
Many were imposter "jews".

Mat_27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
Mat_26:28 For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 he said unto them, This is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.
You might note the word "many". And below "sent but unto".
Mat_15:24 ...I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 5/14/15


The Jews are not responsible for the death of Jesus. This old lie has been used to justify all manner of evil.

1Corithians 15:3
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,

It is our sins that caused the death of Jesus.

We are to love all people especially the Jews.

On Christ the solid rock I stand all other ground is sifting sand.

I have had many prayers answered and others not. As GOD is my father it is up to him to do what is best for me.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/14/15


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Bill, **Father forgive them for they know not what they do** is not so ! Luke has a way of adding his own words, they knew exactly what they were doing !God did not forgive them because in 70AD 97,000 Jews died at the hands of the Romans !(for their brutality)
---1st_cliff on 5/13/15


Even really Christian people can pray and not see certain people change. But their prayer is not in vain (1 Corinthians 15:58).

For one example, Jesus prayed, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." (in Luke 23:34) And a few verses later we see how that one criminal hanging right next to Jesus stood up for Jesus and gave himself to Jesus. So, the prayer of Jesus did get results, if not for everyone.

Also, we see how the example of really Christian ladies can help to win a disobedient hubby > 1 Peter 3:1-4.

So, Cliff, prayer with example works. You have talked about ones not of good example, it seems. They do not represent any Pentecostals and evangelicals who are humble and honest.
---Bill on 5/12/15


Cluny, I've always thought that Pentecostals "were" evangelicals since they come across very loud!
I don't like to gossip, but they come across as the "real" Christians .Their house is so filthy they refuse visitors. He will not lift a finger because that's "woman's work"
She must be obedient to her husband "as to the Lord"
He ordered her out of a sick bed to go get his groceries, etc...
He sometimes sings in the Baptist church , he is a regular church attender, I am not, I am the "Heathen".
---1st_cliff on 5/12/15


Cliff, unless things are quite different where you are from how they are in U.K. Evangelicals and Pentecostals are not very much alike. They are in certain things but there are some glaring differences and they tend to not get together with each other as many church members do.

Pray for your sister-in-law asking that God will get her out of that abusive situation. It's a shame that she doesn't have the strength to remove herself but she's probably afraid to do that.
---Rita_H on 5/12/15


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\\This is the kind of thing that really sours me on evangelicals !
---1st_cliff on 5/12/15\\

While I can understand your attitude, classical evangelicals and fundamentalists (not the same thing) wouldn't touch pentecostals with a 10 foot pole.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/15


Cluny, Here's the kicker , The SIL who's depressed, is married to a Pentecostal bible school graduate, who sings in church , and is an abusive chauvinistic pig!
Cares little about his wife's condition so long as she is "submissive" to him.
This is the kind of thing that really sours me on evangelicals !
---1st_cliff on 5/12/15


Cliff, read the book of Job over and over again three times - really slow.
---Steveng on 5/11/15


\\one daughter clinicly depressed (born again)
\\

As I've frequently said here, clinical depression is a physical disease that can usually be handled with the right medicine or combination of them.

Has she tried this?

And what bigger messes would these people be in without your MIL's intercession?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/15


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Cluny, Why am I asking this question ?
From life's experience !
The mother-in-law is as religious as they come she says "I pray for my children every night "(by name)
She had five, one is dead (heart)and the other four are basket cases, One son has not been able to work in 40 years , my wife is severely handicapped, one son is alcoholic now talking suicide, and one daughter clinicly depressed (born again)
---1st_cliff on 5/11/15


As we are told to pray without ceasing He must be listening. There would be no point to that instruction if He were not??

I have had so very many answers to prayer in the last 4 years I am absolutely positive that God IS there and that He hears us ALL and responds accordingly and not always with quite the answer we expected, but He answers nevertheless.
---Rita_H on 5/11/15


Yes, He does.

And He always answers them.

Sometimes He says, "Yes."

Sometimes He says, "No."

And sometimes He says, "Wait."

But why are you asking this question, 1stCliff?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/15


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