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This debate revealed that man's claim Christians can sin is NOT supported in scripture.
---Haz27 on 3/10

Do you see a pattern in these Scriptures:

Rom 7:22-23 "For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members"

James 3:2 "For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well"

1 john 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us
---Mark_Eaton on 3/11/16


Luke you have attibuted to my view to Samuel, so I will respond. When Father brought me to Jesus, I acknowledged Him as Lord, confessed my sins, and repented of those sins. I am now dead to sin, and alive in the Father through my Lord. Having been buried in Him, through baptism, in the likeness of His death, I have been raised with Him, in the likeness of His resurrection. My old man of sin has been destroyed, I know longer serve sin, because I am now dead to sin, and therefore, free from sin. I walk in the light, and I live for righteousness. Having been cleansed from all sin, I have absolutely no consciousness of sin in my life, for Jesus bore it. I leave sin for those of you that embrace it.
---joseph on 3/11/16


Samuel and Haz27, is either one of you without sin? I would very much like to see a sinless person. Concerning that I never saw Christ in Person, and He was the only One without sin, that is why He was the only One who could die for us.
One day we will receive our new bodies then we will be without sin. So again the passage of Johns says:
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" Then He says:
"If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us" 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 1:10.
If today you are saying you have not sinned, I hate to say this but you are in big trouble.
---Luke on 3/11/16


Haz27:

You wrote: StrongAxe. Mark Eaton. If you go back through the posts from Joseph and myself, you will see from scripture why God says in His word that Christians CANNOT sin.

And if you go back through MY posts, you will see from scripture why John says categorically that if we say we do not sin, the truth is not in us. Yes, we are no longer slaves to sin, but we are not 100% perfect. While we still live in this imperfect world, we are not 100% free of it yet. Jesus exhorted us "be ye therefore perfect". He would not have needed to do so if we already WERE perfect.
---StrongAxe on 3/11/16


StrongAxe. Mark Eaton. If you go back through the posts from Joseph and myself, you will see from scripture why God says in His word that Christians CANNOT sin.

Jesus truly set us free from sin (John 8:36). As long as we continue to believe on Jesus, then our life is hid with Christ in God (Col 3:3) and thus we're covered by Christ's sinlessness, holiness, righteousness. As long as we believe on Jesus, then that old man remains crucified on the cross and we cannot be charged with sin.

This debate revealed that man's claim Christians can sin is NOT supported in scripture. I have found this consistently with others I've debated too. I pray it encourages you to search the scriptures and seek understanding from Jesus, our teacher.
---Haz27 on 3/10/16




Haz27:

If you believe that some verses of the bible claim that we CANNOT sin, this directly contradicts John who said that if we say we have not sinned, the truth is not in us.

You may argue for one interpretation or other, buf regardless of how you arrive at your conclusion, that conclusion makes one scripture directly contradict another. Either God is the author of confusion, or your interpretation must, therefore, necessarily be at least partly incorrect.
---StrongAxe on 3/10/16


only confirms that your view of 1 John 3:8,9 is incorrect.
---Haz27 on 3/9/16

This is the reason I stopped corresponding with you. Your obsession with this subject.

I understand your view. The Scriptures seem to say that we cannot sin after we are Believers in Christ. Yet, by the witness of every Apostle, every believer, and every person posting here (if they are honest) this is not true. We still do sin, by rebellion, by unbelief, by not doing the right thing when we know its the right thing, by omission, and by commission. I believe its because we still have the old man with us, our flesh.

However, I do not know everything. I suggest we agree to disagree.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/10/16


I apologize for my last post being posted three times, I have no idea how that happened, It was not intentional. Perhaps it happen when I thought I was hitting the back key to make corrections. Anyway, I will take up no more space on this blog. Again, My apologies:o)
---joseph on 3/10/16


Samuel. Below are definitions of the word "Practice" as used in NASB you quoted.

Practice:
1.To do or perform habitually or customarily, make a habit of
2. To do or perform repeatedly in order to acquire or polish a skill
3.To work at, especially as a profession (practice law)
4.TO CARRY OUT IN ACTION.

Definition No:4 fits Bible versions such as KJV which says Christians CANNOT sin (1John 3:9), CEASED from sin (1Pet 4:1).

BTW what "sin" (BCV) do you think Christians can be charged with?

And considering that Christians are in Christ (Gal 2:20, Col 3:3) is saying that Christians sin then also saying there is sin in Christ in spite of 1John 3:5 saying that there is NO SIN IN CHRIST?
---Haz27 on 3/10/16


Why don't I just read the words of hundreds of different scholars who have done all that work which is the people who have translated the Bible. So by reading different translation I can have different scholars show me what all the dictionaries and etc say.

1John 3:9 NASB
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/9/16




Mark Eaton. The fact you cannot explain away the many contradictions the habitual sin doctrine has only confirms that your view of 1 John 3:8,9 is incorrect.

As many Bible versions say CANNOT sin in 1John 3:9, which is confirmed also in 1Pet 4:1 (CEASED from sin), Rom 8:33, Gal 2:15, 1Pet 4:18, etc, then you should be seeking out why scripture contradicts the habitual sin doctrine.

BTW, the Bible versions that use loose terminology like "CONTINUE to sin" are still consistent with the more accurate "CANNOT sin" translation in that once we become Christians we do not continue (that is we CEASED) in our former sin of UNBELIEF (John 16:9), remembering that works of the law is unbelief (Gal 3:12).
---Haz27 on 3/9/16


"You should get something stronger than Strongs" Out of the 17 versions of the bibles that I have assess to, only the NLT, ESV, NET, DBY, and NASB versions render 1 John 3:9 with the addition practice, or makes a practice of sin. The Strongs in book form, and the KJV bible is what the Father led me to when I began my studies, and for me, they suffice. Thanks any way Mark, I understand that what ever a man believes to be true, is for that man truth. Therefore, whether or not those words should have been added, or not, is not something I am willing to argue. I will simply say that I believe they where added to satisfy religious bias. A mans belief is his own. I will embrace mine, and I'm sure you will do the same.
---joseph on 3/9/16


"You should get something stronger than Strongs" Out of 17 versions of the bibles that I have assess to only the NLT, ESV, Net, DBY, NASB render 1John 3:9 as "practice or makes a practice of sin". The Strongs in book form and the KJV bible is what the Father led me to when I began my studies, and for me, they surfice. Thanks any way Mark, I understand that what ever a man believes to be true is for that man truth. I believe words like practice and habitually where added to satisfy religious bias. However it is not something that I am willing to argue. A mans belief is his own. I will embrace mine, and I'm sure you will do the same.
---joseph on 3/10/16


Mark_Eaton:

You wrote: Even the KJV adds the ending "th" to verbs to indicate the continuous tense. Such as this verse:

Actually, this has nothing to do with the continuous tense, but rather with the way verbs were conjugated 400 years ago - 2nd and 3rd person singular were different. (Today, I do/you do/he does/we do/you do/they do, in 1600, I do/thou doest/he doth/we do/you do/they do).

English still does have this tense, but when used in the affirmative, it is only used emphatically (e.g. I do eat vs. I eat), but is almost always used for negatives (e.g. I do not eat vs. I eat not - except with be, unless it's a command - don't be vs. be not, but always I am not, never I do not be).
---StrongAxe on 3/10/16


"You should get something stronger than Strongs" Out of 17 versions of the bibles that I have assess to only the NLT, ESV, Net, DBY, NASB render 1John 3:9 as "practice or makes a practice of sin". The Strongs in book form and the KJV bible is what the Father led me to when I began my studies, and for me, they surfice. Thanks any way Mark, I understand that what ever a man believes to be true is for that man truth. I believe words like practice and habitually where added to satisfy religious bias. However it is not something that I am willing to argue. A mans belief is his own. I will embrace mine, and I'm sure you will do the same.
---joseph on 3/10/16


StrongAxe. It's good that you recognize Christians cannot be charged with sin.

And whilst we both agree that in the physical nobody is perfect, it's important we speak only in scriptural terms about sin.
After all, sin=death (Rom 6:23).
To say Christians "sin", WRONGLY implies they're a servant of sin (John 8:34) and of the devil (1John 3:8).

And remember that as Christians I no longer live but Christ lives in me (Gal 2:20). Our life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3.

With these scriptures in mind, can you see the problem in saying Christians, who abide in Christ, still sin, when there is NO SIN IN CHRIST 1John 3:5. To say that a Christian still sins is to say that there is sin in Christ.
---Haz27 on 3/10/16


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Hi Luke. Perhaps you can answer what Mark is unable to.

Can you show from scripture what exactly determines "habitual" sin. Is it 7 sins? Or perhaps 7x70 sins? As an example, do you keep the Sabbath perfectly as commanded in OT, or do you habitually fail to do so?

Is habitual sin the same as willful sin in Heb 10:26? After all a habit is formed after numerous willful decisions to do an act.

And can you show from scripture what sin do you claim Christians can be charged with?
Rom 8:33 says who shall lay ANYTHING (this includes sin) to the charge of God's elect.
Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 5:18 all says that Christians are NOT under the law.
With all this in mind, what sin do you charge against Christians?
---Haz27 on 3/10/16


Not even the online Strongs...
---joseph on 3/9/16

You should get something stronger than Strongs.

Perhaps a Biblical Greek class at the local seminary. Learn to use Greek lexicons, Greek dictionaries, parallel transliterations. All can render a better understanding than Strongs.

I have no bias when adding "habitually". Its counterpart "practices" has been added in several Bible translations such as the ESV, Berean, NASB. Even the KJV adds the ending "th" to verbs to indicate the continuous tense. Such as this verse:

1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God"
---Mark_Eaton on 3/9/16


Joseph. Thanks for your comments. Jesus is our only teacher and he has given you understanding.

Mark Eaton. The fact that you are unable to answer my questions about the habitual sin doctrine should have you searching scriptures to determine the truth.

StrongAxe. Rom 8:10 tells us our body is already dead (by faith) because of sin. That old man was crucified with Christ (Rom 6:6). Christians are a new creation now.

BTW, 1John 1:8 and 1John 3:9 only contradict each other under the terms you describe them. I've shown from scripture how they are not a contradiction.
---Haz27 on 3/9/16


Mark, I completely agree with your interpretation. The passage cannot mean that we no longer sin as believers, because to this day no one is without sin. They can claim they are but we know they are not. They deceive themselves and the truth is not in them. The same John who wrote 3:9 wrote 1 John 1:8-10.
Why would he say that and turn around and say we do not sin? So the passage has to mean the practice of sin, or habitual sin.
---Luke on 3/9/16


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"Look for yourself. You will see that Greek has verb tenses not available in English such as the continuous tense in either past or present." Mark I would be happy to if you can point me in the right direction. If you would, please tell me where I can document this? Thanks
---joseph on 3/9/16


"Josef, I want to thank you very much for discussing Scripture with me. Again thanks for your friendship also." You are welcome Luke, as always.
---joseph on 3/9/16


The only way one can get around them, is to add to scripture that which is not there.
---joseph on 3/8/16

Or use the original language of the Scripture.

The Scriptures were not written in English. The English language is incapable of fully encapsulating the Greek or Hebrew languages.

Look for yourself. You will see that Greek has verb tenses not available in English such as the continuous tense in either past or present.

It is this continuous tense that does not come thru in English. In English it reads "Joseph sins" but to a reader of Greek, it reads "Joseph continually sins".

A very large difference.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/9/16


"most of scripture does not make that distinction, as the penalty for sin is physical death." Strongaxe, like I said earlier, If physical death is what that verse refers to, and Jesus paid that penalty, and He did, there should be no more physical death for the believer. However, as we all know through the first Adam, all men die physically, and It is through the second Adam, that the believer will be raised to life eternal and not suffer the second death. Therefore it is my belief that that is what Jesus' physical death paid for. It is only after the lake of fire, that it will be realized, "Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?"
---joseph on 3/9/16


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"The word habitually is not in the text but is in the understanding of the Greek verb. According to whom, and what is that understanding based on? Not even the online Strongs, which has been unwarrantedly manipulated to conform to the biases of denominational religion, adds the word "habitual" to the definition of "hamartia".
---joseph on 3/9/16


Mark Eaton. Many Bible versions say CANNOT sin in 1John 3:9.

This is consistent even with the rest of God's word. For example:
1Pet 4:1 says we've CEASED from sin.
Rom 8:33 says that nobody can charge ANYTHING (this includes sin) against Christians.

In fact to say Christians can be charged with sin is to say we're under the law, in spite of God saying otherwise (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 5:18).

Are you saying we're under the law?
And as James 2:10 says just ONE sin makes you guilty of ALL the law, how do you make this fit under the habitual sin doctrine.
And how do you make the habitual sin doctrine fit with WILLFUL sin of Heb 10:26?
---Haz27 on 3/8/16


Haz I know you are secure in you beliefs, and need no encouragement. However I think that you know, that concerning this subject, I stand in complete agreement with your post. Mark accuses you of mistakes, but the reality is you have made no mistake. You have quoted scripture, as written, fully documenting your views. Let no man cause you question your beliefs, for they are entirely sound. The only way one can get around them, is to add to scripture that which is not there.
---joseph on 3/8/16


Mark Eaton. The habitual sin doctrine contains many problems.
It's ambiguous as it fails to specify what determines habitual. Is it 7 sins, or 7x70?

Consider this. Have you habitually failed to keep the Sabbath as described in OT?
According to the flawed habitual sin doctrine the huge majority, if not all, Christians are of the devil as they fail to keep the Sabbath.

I assume the habitual sin doctrine also defines "willful" sin (Heb 10:26) as equivalent because habits are due to prior willful decisions to act.

The habitual sin doctrine implies Christians are under the law in spite of scripture to the contrary (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 5:18). Thus we see the habitual sin doctrine is a works doctrine.
---Haz27 on 3/8/16


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Haz27:

You wrote: 1John 3:8,9 ... 1Pet 4:1 ... These scriptures differ with your claim. What "sin" do you think Christians are still charged of?
Rom 8:33 says we CANNOT be charged with ANYTHING (which includes sin).


Right. Christ paid the debt for all our sin, past present and future, so we can no longer be CHARGED, but that doesn't mean we don't still sin. You can't use 1 John to contradict 1 John - BOTH are scripture, and BOTH are true.

If the wages of sin are death, and we are free of sin, why are Christians not free of death? And "spiritual vs. physical death" doesn't count - most of scripture does not make that distinction, as the penalty for sin is physical death.
---StrongAxe on 3/9/16


Samuel. Whatever the law says it says to those UNDER IT, Rom 3:19.
This means that to be accused of sin one must be under the law for it to apply.
Christians are NOT under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 5:18).

Regarding repentance, we did this when we first became Christian. After that, NO MORE REPENTANCE.

Heb 6:1-6
NOT LAYING AGAIN THE FOUNDATION OF REPENTANCE from dead works...
For IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened..tasted heavenly gift..partaker of Holy Spirit,...if they fall away, TO RENEW THEM AGAIN TO REPENTANCE...


Once we repent of dead works of self-righteousness (which is unbelief), becoming TRULY Christian, then we dont turn back to dead works/unbelief.
---Haz27 on 3/9/16


Josef, I want to thank you very much for discussing Scripture with me. I just wanted to make sure that you understood that though we as believers have been forgiven for our sins, but we still sin. All of us do. We need to acknowledge that. One day when we get our new bodies we will be without sin.
Again thanks for your friendship also.


As to answering the blog question, God forgives the believers sins all the time. When a person is born again they still have many habits that God works on while we are alive. Some it takes years to break them out of some habits. But the believer is changing everyday to be more Christ like.
---Luke on 3/9/16


Luke you are adding to my words, for what ever reason. I have said no more, or less than I have written.
---joseph on 3/8/16


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1John 3:8,9....Whoever has been born of God does NOT SIN, for His seed remains in him, and he CANNOT SIN..
---Haz27 on 3/8/16

Here is where you make your mistakes.

In the KJV, the word committeth and sinneth indicates a continual action, a habitual action, a lifestyle.

Knowing this, look at these verses:

1 John 3:6 "Whosoever continually abides in him continually sins not: whosoever continually sins hath not seen him, neither known him.

1 John 3:8 "He that continually commits sin is of the devil, for the devil continually sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil"
---Mark_Eaton on 3/8/16


Mark Eaton. As you see in my last post, my understanding from scripture is that Christians are not even judged/charged of sin.

Whilst it's clear nobody is perfect in behavior, sin (transgression of the law), with it's death penalty, does not apply to Christians because we are NOT under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 5:18). Remember that whatever the law says it says to those UNDER IT, Rom 3:19.

James 2:10 tells us that just ONE sin makes you guilty of ALL the law. This contradicts the "habitual" sin claim.

Christians are blessed in that our righteousness is of faith (Rom 4:5) and hence Satan, the accuser, cannot accuse us of sin/transgression of the law because we are not under the law for righteousness.
---Haz27 on 3/8/16


From my reading I agree with Mark Eaton, David and Luke.

Romans 8, Galatians 5 and ITimothy 1:8 are all speaking about overcoming sin. Not living in sin. A Christian choose to not live in sin.

Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world,

GOD is always willing to forgive. But what is required. I john 2. We go to our Savior and ask for forgiveness. We repent. But to say we cannot commit a sin because Christians cannot commit sins. Denies the fact we are not perfect.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/8/16


StrongAxe, 1John 3:8,9
He who sins is OF THE DEVIL,....Whoever has been born of God does NOT SIN, for His seed remains in him, and he CANNOT SIN..

Note also 1Pet 4:1
since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has CEASED FROM SIN

These scriptures differ with your claim. What "sin" do you think Christians are still charged of?
Rom 8:33 says we CANNOT be charged with ANYTHING (which includes sin).
Why?
Because our old man was crucified with Christ. Our flawed body is already dead (by faith) because of sin (Rom 8:10). I no longer live but Christ lives in me (Gal 2:20). And in Christ there is NO SIN (1John 3:5).
---Haz27 on 3/8/16


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Are you saying that if you sin 7 times, or even 7x70 times , then you are a servant of sin and of the devil?
---Haz27 on 3/7/16

First of all, I have no "doctrine" of habitual sin.

It is Jesus who said in Luke 8:34 "Jesus answered them, Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever habitually commits sin is a slave of sin". The word habitually is not in the text but is in the understanding of the Greek verb.

I know where you come from. You say that Believers are free from sin and are not to sin, ever. But yet, even James admits stumbling:

James 3:2 "For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body"
---Mark_Eaton on 3/8/16


Josef, you are saying that you are perfect as Christ was perfect. Without sin. And that claim is just not true at all. Even Paul knew that he still sinned. In his heart he didn't want to sin but he still did. He said so himself when he said:
"If, then, I do what I will not do, I agree with the law that it is good. But now, it is no longer I who do it but sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells for to will is present with me, but how too perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will to do, I do not do, but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it but sin that dwells In me." Romans 7:16-20.
---Luke on 3/8/16


Stongaxe, the Greek word 'ou' in that verse can be defined and applied as either no or not, I choose "not" based on the verse that proceeds it. Which of course as you know reads "If we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin." Therefore, I receive the verse thusly, "If we say that we have [not sinned], we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." For if we say " we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." I would never say I have not sinned, however I will say I "know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin."
---joseph on 3/8/16


StrongAxe. Joseph is correct. We're either a sinner OR saved.

1Pet 4:18 confirms it.
if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

2 different groups here.
Group 1: Righteous/Saved (example thief on cross)
Group 2: Sinner/ungodly (who reject righteousness by faith Rom 4:5)

1John 1:8 does not refer to Christians.
Note it's context DECLARES/BEARS WITNESS eternal life/salvation to the lost.
1John 1:2,3 bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life,....declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship....with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ

If 1John 1:8 referred to Christians then it would contradict 1John 3:8,9.


---Haz27 on 3/8/16


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Strongaxe, very good answer to Josef. The problem that many have is that they have believed a certain way and it is very hard to except revelation. I understand. And also yes, John was speaking to the saints. They are the only ones who will understand what he is saying. If they believe they are without sin that is bad:
"If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us" 1 John 1:10.
Believers in Christ are the only ones who have the word of God in them.
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us" 1 John 1:8.
Believers are the only ones who have the truth. But if we say we are not sinners the truth is not in us.
---Luke on 3/8/16


"One consequence of sin is death. If we were totally free of sin, we would also be free of the curse of death." Strongaxe, "the wages of sin is death" is a reference to the lake of fire, the second death, and the believer is free from that. For Fathers gift is eternal life through Jesus our Lord. If that gift were received in this life, then no believer would die. If death as we now know it were the curse, then that would suggest that the payment Jesus made for us has not been accepted by the Father, and you would be correct. However Jesus has redeemed (past tense) the believer from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us. How can one who is made free from sin, be bound by it's law, or it's curse?
---joseph on 3/8/16


Mark Eaton, you haven't answered my questions. When scripture contradicts the doctrine you preach then for your own sake, and others you could mislead, you should heed God's warning in James 3.

Are you saying that if you sin 7 times, or even 7x70 times , then you are a servant of sin (John 8:34), and of the devil (1John 3:8)?

But James 2:10 tells us that even just ONE sin makes you guilty of ALL the law. This contradicts the "habitual" sin doctrine.

And whatever the law says it says to those under it (Rom 3:19), so are you saying Christians are under the law to be charged of sin in spite of scripture saying otherwise (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Rom 8:33, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9)?
---Haz27 on 3/7/16


joseph:

You wrote: Luke, "sinners saved by the grace" is a oxymoron, one is either a sinner, or one is saved by grace.

1 John 1:8: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

This is an apostle writing to other saints, saying we have sin (present tense).

One consequence of sin is death. If we were totally free of sin, we would also be free of the curse of death. The abundance of church graveyards means either your interpretation is incorrect, or 99.999% of all who believe they are Christians who have ever lived weren't really saved, and we're all going to hell. Would you rather believe that?
---StrongAxe on 3/7/16


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I suggest you consider how the thief on the cross was saved.
---Haz27 on 3/5/16

We have been round and round on this subject before. I stopped responding to you before, but I will give you another chance.

First, I am shocked by the lack of wisdom on this blog to why we sin. We sin because we believe our enemies lies about God. And when we believe the lies about God, we stop trusting God and start depending on ourselves.

Second, when God forgives our sins, He forgives all of them, past, present, and future. We are freed from the disease of sin and its penalty. But, we as human beings can still commit sins. And we can become enslaved by the habitual nature of any action, including sin.
---Mark_Eaton on 3/7/16


"We will always be sinners saved by the grace of God."
Luke, "sinners saved by the grace" is a oxymoron, one is either a sinner, or one is saved by grace. For there are sinners, and there are saints, one can not be both. By definition, a sinner is "devoted to sin" as one "not free from sin", a saint is "a most holy thing, as one who is sacred, holy, set apart" from sin, and devoted to Christ..
---joseph on 3/6/16


We will always be sinners saved by the grace of God. We are no longer slaves of sin, we are now slaves of Christ, but we do sin. As long as we live in this body we will continue to sin. We still have to acknowledge that we are sinners, because we are. We have not reached perfection. One day we will. While saved we are now chasten by God when we sin. If we are not chasten by God then we are illegitimate and not sons, check (Heb. 12:7-9).

"My son, do not be despise the chastening of the Lord, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him. For whom the Lord loves He chastens..." Heb. 12:5,6.
---Luke on 3/6/16


"Does God forgive same sin committed every time?"
Jesus was asked "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven." Father will do no less for the sinner, who ask, with repentance, forgiveness of Him.
"How can someone be free from habitually sins committed most often?"
Simply be reconciled to the Father through the Lord Jesus, the Christ. Acknowledge His Lordship, be made free from sin, become servants of righteousness. Being made righteous, as His sons, you have through His Spirit, your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
---joseph on 3/6/16


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Mark Eaton. Regarding your definition of "habitual" sin, are you saying that if you transgress the law (which is sin, 1John 3:4) 7 times, or even 7x70 times , then you are a servant of sin (John 8:34), and of the devil (1John 3:8)?

But James 2:10 tells us that even just ONE sin makes you guilty of ALL the law.

And as sin is transgression of the law (1John 3:4) and whatever the law says it says to those under it (Rom 3:19), are you saying Christians are under the law to be charged of sin in spite of scripture saying otherwise (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Rom 8:33, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9).

I suggest you consider how the thief on the cross was saved.
---Haz27 on 3/5/16


Nicole
I see Grace much like a source of heat for those who are cold. When under Gods Grace, his Grace becomes much like a roaring fire to warm the cold.

Those folks not under Grace are like folks who sit around a fire with just a few embers. The embers still bring warmth, but they do not bring the warmth of a blazing fire. The embers are still Grace, but it's not the Grace which will keep folks next to the fire.

Many church going folks do not find this warmth with God, and this is why they seek warmth in the things of the world. My only goal in life, show folks Gods roaring fire of Grace, and teach them what they must do to keep that fire burning. (John 14:21-23)
---David on 7/5/15


David, we agree. I am sorry, but you seemed to imply God could run out of Grace.

The RCC always teaches what you said. That's why Jesus continued confession as custom to the Jewish people.
People don't realize that confession didn't START with the RCC.
Jewish people were having confession before Jesus was born.

I don't believe once saved always saved.
If it were so, God would be stupid.
God isn't Stupid. NO ONE can CON HIM.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/4/15


What Learner is saying is that God is like an Italian Momma who will give you more food IF YOU KEEP asking her. ---Nicole_Lacey on 7/3/15

Nicole
Gods Grace is available to those who decide to turn away from sin, and turn to God.

Nicole I want you to understand my position. I will always argue against the teaching of Unmerited Grace.
That teachings which tells Gods followers they do not have to live as Gods servants, to remain under his Grace.

This is easy enough for God to prove. All one needs to do is listen to the commands God puts into their minds, and do what he tells them to do. And then just stand back and watch his blessings flow. Blessing only those in Gods service, will experience.
---David on 7/4/15


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Grace never runs out, but sometimes we do.
---learner2 on 7/3/15


David, God isn't a jet.

If I give you a king size for you alone to sleep on it. But somehow you rolled OFF the bed.
Can you come to me telling me I didn't give you a big enough bed to sleep on?

It's a King size bed. You should be able to sleep on a twin size bed without felling off.

Or is it maybe you need siderails because you can't trust yourself from not rolling off?

What Learner is saying is that God is like an Italian Momma who will give you more food IF YOU KEEP asking her.
Even she NEVER RUNS OUT OF FOOD.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/3/15


It is OUR RESPONSIBILITY to "work out our own salvation", we must grow daily in REPENTANCE. Repentance is NOT just a one time event whereby we feel sorry for our sins and ask for forgiveness. It is a daily working of the Holy Spirit IN US and is a GIFT given to those truly saved. Christians lean on the doctrine of "once saved always saved" fail to understand that GRACE is available to those who REPENT, the choice to stay in Christ or allow yourself to "fall away" IS STILL PRESENT, even after a profession of being "saved". Grace IS available TO the "backslider" but must be received through repentance. It does NOT automatically cover a person because they once said the sinners prayer.
---George on 7/3/15


Grace never "runs out." --learner2 on 6/13/15
AMEN! When you are RIGHT, I have to acknowledge it!
You hit it right on the head.
--Nicole_Lacey on 7/2/15


Nicole & Learner
In (Galatians 5:4) it talks about falling from Grace. If Grace never runs out, how do we fall from Grace?

What happens when a Jet plane runs out of fuel?
---David on 7/3/15


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Thanks, Nicole.
---learner2 on 7/2/15


Grace never "runs out." --learner2 on 6/13/15

AMEN! When you are RIGHT, I have to acknowledge it!

You hit it right on the head.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/2/15


How can someone be free from habitually sins committed most often?

We all know sin is disobedience to God, though sadly, many are reluctant to call this disobedience a habit. Reckoning oneself a slave to sin, is as important to the sinner as an Alcoholics admission is, they are a slave of Alcohol.

Many folks who are in sin call themselves an overcomer, "Born Again".
I ask you folks, do you call the Alcoholic who still drinks Alcohol, an overcomer?

If you want to overcome sin, you must first reckon yourself a slave to sin. When you are able to do this, then you will witness the Power of God, in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, which can take away sin.(Hebrews 10)
---David on 7/2/15


There are times we need more than scriptures and pray. We may ask ourselves is it possible I may need deliverance or you can confide in a couple close, committed and trusted friends to keep you in check daily and in prayer. it worked for me.
---anna4574 on 6/27/15


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"God tells us to forgive and He forgives us so we must trust that as He forgives us over and over again, then we must do the same when others sin against us." Andreea 5.29.15.

Absolutely. This can be extremely difficult if a person seems to not care how hurtful continuous sinning against another person is BUT, if we want God's forgiveness, we MUST forgive others, sincerely, and not just go through the motions. It can be very hard to do but we MUST.

We are forgiven in the same way that we forgive so, if we are unforgiving, we will never have the real peace that we should have when we know that we are forgiven much.
---Rita_H on 6/14/15


Grace never "runs out."
---learner2 on 6/13/15


Yes, God does forgive sins one commits almost everyday, because we cannot play with God's mercy, one day that grace will run out. The only to overcome such sins is by constant fellowship with the Holy Ghost via His word, prayer and fellowship with brethren. Sensitivity to the Holy Ghost, and avoid the people and places that lead you into temptation.
---lilia6353 on 6/13/15


Does God forgive same sin committed every time. How can someone be free from habitually sins committed most often

---Owoeye_Tope_Bamidele on 5/22/15


1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Rom 5:20 . . . where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God knows one's heart. If one is sincerely trying to stop a sin, and asks for forgiveness, God will grant forgiveness every time.

God will punish pretenders who use God's grace as a "license" to sin. God will not be mocked.
---aservant on 6/11/15


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Eventually, No! By continuing in the same sin of which the Holy Spirit has continually convicted us, we grieve away the Spirit and it can become the unpardonable sin.

I believe that God works with us one sin at a time. The one you are currently struggling with is the one He wants you to overcome by the power of Christ. When that one is put away, He'll bring you another one to work on.


---jerry6593 on 5/31/15


Trying is futile, that's a fleshly endeavor.---James_L

James
Futile?....Paul disagrees.
(Revelation 2:5-9) But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to each one according to his deeds

Eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality, but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousnessindignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek.
---David on 5/30/15


Learner, I think it is like you would not call a person a liar, if the person does not lie all the time.---Bill on 5/23/15

Bill
You said this on the "I will not forgive you" blog question. I have to ask you, do you apply this same habitual sin logic you used there, to other sin, such as murder?

Tell us, how many people does someone have to murder, before we can call them a Murderer?
---David on 5/29/15


God tells us to forgive and He forgives us so we must trust that as He forgives us over and over again then we must do the same when others sin against us.
---andreea on 5/29/15


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STOP trying, and trust the mercy of God. Believe upon Jesus Christ, and hope on Him --James_L on 5/23/15

AMEN!

When riding a bike or walking it seems that as soon as we look down we fall. But if we kept our heads up, we rarely fall.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/28/15


A barber said he asked God to take away his gambling problem, but God didn't. Well, that man's gambling might have tied up his money so he could not do other things he would like to do. He might have used the money to drink and run with other men's women, and get himself killed. He needed correction in all things, not only what was causing him inconvenience about living the way he wanted.

We can pick and choose which sins we want to deal with, and these might be material things. But God is very concerned with how we relate with people, that we do not argue, do not look down on others, but have love and hope in prayer for any and all people. So, we need to also care about other people's sin problems > Hebrews 5:2, James 5:16.
---Bill on 5/27/15


God keeps his promises. And one of Gods promises is to forgive you of all your sin, if you confess it to him (1John 1:9).

Now as far as "habitual sin", it's a doctrine which many churches adopted to deal with what's written in (1John 3:9-10) KJV. A passage they deal with, by making it fit their experience with sin.
They believe, "If I can't do it, it can't be done!!"

To be fair, I would probably go that route too, if my experience was not as the passage teaches. The commandment which came to life, caused me to die to sin(Romans 7:9-11).

That sin, which caused me to do what I did not want to do, died 14 years ago and has never returned.
---David on 5/27/15


"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain." (Philippians 2:14-16)

Love fasting >

no "complaining" > if we are satisfied by God's love (Romans 5:5), we are satisfied not to complain or seek foolish pleasures to try to satisfy us.

no "disputing" > if we become strong enough in love, so we do not argue, this makes us also strong against escape pleasures, because we now can enjoy sharing with others (c:
---Bill on 5/23/15


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The best way to stop habitually sinning is...

Stop worrying about doing this and that wrong. You will NEVER be free from a behavior as long as you keep reminding yourself about it.

Trying is futile, that's a fleshly endeavor.

STOP trying, and trust the mercy of God. Believe upon Jesus Christ, and hope on Him
---James_L on 5/23/15


Well said Cluny.
May I add that fasting isn't just for food. It can be fasting with the TV, Internet, shopping or anything one favors a lot.

Mortification
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/23/15


If Jesus tells us to forgive seventy times seven times, then God will forgive even more and than that.
---learner2 on 5/23/15


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