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St. Thomas Not Skeptical

An old priest once said that St. Thomas was not being skeptical in asking to see Christ's wounds. The devil was once an angel of light and can imitate Christ's glory. But the Wounds of the Passion are marks of His humility and obedience, and Satan cannot imitate that.

What do you think?

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Well Nicole we have some agreements.

The Calvinist verses the Free Will argument has gone on for Centuries. Even many great Roman Catholic authors argued for Predestination. See Augustine.

Jesus said that he would call all people. Read John 3

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/23/15


Nicole, you said, "You seem to imply that God the Father picks and chooses people to go to Heaven or Hell. He does."

It is not me, but the Lord Jesus I only believe what he said please reread verse 37 of John 6 and you will have your answers to who the all and the everyone is.

Remember, when reading a chapter it is important to understand context.

May Yahweh be gracious to open your eyes to his workings,

John
---john9346 on 6/22/15


Nicole_Lacey:

You said: Strongaxe, you sound like the Democrats who claim we can't help it if we are fat.
I know eating too many donuts and pizza will make me fat.
It's anyone fault that I am FAT!


Gluttony and over-indulgence (your choice) can make you fat. Genetics or hormone imbalances (not your choice) can also do so. So can imbalances caused by food additives you don't choose or even know about, or side-effects of some medicines, etc.

To assume that fat is always the person's fault, or even never his fault, is to only look at one side of the picture and ignore the other.
---StrongAxe on 6/22/15


Every knee will bow at the name of Jesus, but it doesn't mean it is a loving bow.

But remember, that bowing will occur at the end of time, not now,

Aservant, you know that Jesus is saying that you can't just talk your way into heaven, but walk the talk.

James 2:18-26 explains it the best.

BTW did you know that Martin Luther tried to remove James from the NT because of the verses I gave you?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/22/15


God doesn't want anyone to worship Him if they choose not to worship Him. Not true. Rom 14:11 For it is written. . . every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Php_2:10

But EVERYONE IS WELCOME IN HEAVEN! Not true. Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven . . .
Mt 7:22
Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

---Nicole_Lacey on 6/22/15
---aservant on 6/22/15




Not true - angels had no choice, they belonged to Lucifer - Rev 12:9 ---aservant on 6/20/15

God booted Lucifer and his angels from Heaven.---aservant on 6/21/15

Your 2nd answer response is correct. God has complete power, but allows freewill.
God isn't forcing anyone to worship Him.

The Angel saw God in His highest Glory, but still rejected Him.

God GIVES US POWER TO REJECT HIM.

Strongaxe, you sound like the Democrats who claim we can't help it if we are fat.

I know eating too many donuts and pizza will make me fat.
It's anyone fault that I am FAT!

God doesn't want anyone to worship Him if they choose not to worship Him. But EVERYONE IS WELCOME IN HEAVEN!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/22/15


True if we are Born Again and filled with the Holy Spirit we can through then name and power of GOD cast out demons. But we must always recognize that it is GOD not us who has the power. Only as we serve and follow Him are we enabled to do anything.

All Glory is to GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/22/15


- 2 -

Mt 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

Lk 9:1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.


Men can cast out Satan today if they have the Spirit living inside their bodies.
---aservant on 6/22/15


- 1 -

So Lucifer had more power than God? But somehow a lower ranked angel (Michael) had more power than God . . .
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/20/15


God booted Lucifer and his angels from Heaven. But God can give angels and men power and authority over Satan, just as exampled by Jesus.

Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
---aservant on 6/21/15


Nicole_Lacey:

You said: Did YOU OR I destroyed the car? I did.

I am not omniscient. God is. If I were omniscient like God, and I knew in advance that you were a drunk and would smash the car, giving it to you as a gift would be a pointless (and probably cruel) gesture.

God warned Adam about the fruit, knowing in advance that he would eat it anyway. He didn't have to put the tree in the garden. Its only purpose for being there was so that Adam would fall, because it's not like any of the animals were eating from it, nor would anyone else eat from it after Adam.
---StrongAxe on 6/21/15




The angels had no choice they belonged to Lucifer-Aservant

So Lucifer had more power than God? But somehow a lower ranked angel (Michael) had more power than God and able to kick Lucifer(strongest made creature) and his buddies out of Heaven but not God.

Meditated on that for a while and maybe you will realize how silly your statement sounds.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/20/15


- b -

but will not FORCE everyone to come to Him. Not true - Moses, Paul
He died for everyone. Not true - Mt 1:21

1/3 of the Angels in Heaven changed their minds and decide to reject God and follow Lucifer. Not true - angels had no choice, they belonged to Lucifer - Rev 12:9.

---Nicole_Lacey on 6/19/15
---aservant on 6/20/15


God doesn't send anyone to hell. NO ONE.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/18/15


How else do they get there? No one volunteers for torture. Jesus has the keys - Rev 1:18.

Only one angel (who had a key, like Jesus) was needed to put Satan in the pit - Rev 20:1-2
---aservant on 6/20/15


Strongaxe, God didn't cast them into hell. Which means HE Himself does the casting. He created them to live with HIM.

You can make a beautiful car for me. Dear to your heart. In fact you can declare it as the best car you ever made in your life. You even sign the car so everyone knows you made the car and no one else.

You give the car to me free of charge because I am your best friend.
3 weeks later I get in the car DRUNK and crash the car so bad you can't recognize it.

Did YOU OR I destroyed the car? I did.
As satan cast himself into hell, NOT GOD.
Adam ATE the apple after God WARNED him not to eat it.
So now it's God's fault Adam didn't OBEY HIM? REALLY?

MY GOD THE ONLY GOD IS MERCIFUL!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/20/15


So if you can feel pity for your own kids, why can't God?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/20/15


Only Jesus was born as God's son.

Jo 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son . . .

The rest of us are part of His creation. To be His child, we have to be adopted after we have been called, elected, and chosen.

Rom 8:15 . . . ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:23 . . . waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
---aservant on 6/20/15


Nicole_Lacey:

You said: God is merciful and would NEVER create someone in His Image to cast into hell.

God knows all things, including the future. If not, how could prophets prophesy?

Yet he created Satan, knowing in advance he would rebel. He created hell, knowing in advance he needed a place to put him. He created Adam, and the tree of knowledge, knowing in advance Adam would eat from it, dooming the vast majority of humanity for eternity. Yet he created all of these things anyway. He must have had some kind of reason to do so that is more important than mercy.

Just as people frequently talk about justice and vindication for Job, but those are small comfort to his dead wife and children.
---StrongAxe on 6/20/15


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Aservant, THANK YOU for answering direct and clear.

But, you have a horrible relationship with God.
God is merciful and would NEVER create someone in His Image to cast into hell.

Would you have 5 kids and look into their eyes and be able to cast anyone of them in hell knowing you will never see them again and they will be in horrible burning pain?
Why? Because you made them and you decide their fate no matter their wishes.
NO YOU COULDN'T!

Trust me, you are not nicer than God.
You are made in His Image.

So if you can feel pity for your own kids, why can't God?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/20/15


- a -

Again John, God allows us to have freewill. Not true - Pharaoh was prevented from obeying God.

Everyone who accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior will be given to Jesus by the Father. Not true. The Father chooses all - Jn 6:44

You seem to imply that God the Father picks and chooses people to go to Heaven or Hell. He does.

Jesus wants everyone, Not true - Mt 7:21-23
---aservant on 6/19/15


Again John, God allows us to have freewill. Everyone who accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior will be given to Jesus by the Father.

You seem to imply that God the Father picks and chooses people to go to Heaven or Hell.

Jesus wants everyone, but will not FORCE everyone to come to Him.
He died for everyone.

1/3 of the Angels in Heaven changed their minds and decide to reject God and follow Lucifer.
So God granted their wish and KICKED THEM OUT OF HEAVEN!

Please note that they were in Heaven in the first place.

The same for us. We can be Saved and change our minds to obey Jesus years later and go to Hell
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/19/15



. . . Bible never mentions a Spiritual Body . . .

Egyptian soldier . . . Hitler . . . lessor punishment.

Rev 20:13,14 . . . hell delivered up the dead . . .
. . . people going to hell before the judgement?

. . . GOD not fair and just.

---Samuelbb7 on 6/19/15


1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies . . . (i.e., spiritual bodies)

Whether Egyptian or Hitler, Hell is Hell, and like jail, Hell has tiers of punishment.

Mt 27:52 . . . bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Your Scripture showed the physically dead being retrieved from Hell for final judgment.

God is the Judge of what is fair, not you.
---aservant on 6/19/15


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If one is not going to Heaven, they are then certainly going to Hell.--aservant on 6/19/15

Okay, where in the Bible/Exodus stating they didn't go to Heaven after drowning in the Red Sea?

You are not God and can not conclude someone went to Heaven or Hell.

Moses wasn't allowed in the promise land as a punishment.
So is Moses in Hell?

Punishments on earth does not mean you are doomed to Hell.

Do not add anything to the Bible.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/19/15


But aservent the Bible never mentions a Spiritual Body. Where do you get that from? Don't you know that being asleep means not conscious.

The Egyptian soldier who did not know better suffers more punishment then Hitler who caused the death of 40 million people by starting a war. Yet Hitler receives a lessor punishment.

Rev 20:13,14
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

So you have people going to hell before the judgement?

by your understanding GOD is not fair and just.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/19/15


Nicole,

Listen closely John 6:37-45:


the all and the everyone verse 37 answers the question, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

The all and everyone are the ones the Father gave to Jesus those are the only ones who will come to Jesus.
---john9346 on 6/19/15


Why do they have to rise if they are already in heaven? Why are they called asleep if they are awake?

---Samuelbb7 on 6/18/15


It's like going to jail before you go to court. When court is over the guilty go to jail for longer. The saved go to Heaven. After they are formally judged, they go to heaven forever.

Asleep = not dead (spiritual body is alive), and the flesh body can come back alive if resurrected (as demonstrated by Jesus).

Mt 27:52 And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

See also Jn 11:44, 12:17.
---aservant on 6/19/15


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Okay, please tell it to me straight. Aservant, are you claiming the Egyptians that drown in the sea are in HELL?

---Nicole_Lacey on 6/17/15


Salvation is a gift given by God.

Pharaoh claimed to be god. To prove otherwise, God plagued Egypt and Pharaoh could do nothing about it. God killed Egypt's firstborn and Pharaoh could not prevent or reverse it. God killed Pharaoh and his army in the sea.

Is it likely that He is now going to give the remaining Egyptians an eternal gift, when they worshiped Pharaoh? I think not.

If one is not going to Heaven, they are then certainly going to Hell.
---aservant on 6/19/15


Yes, John I read all of Chapter 6 of Gospel of John.
I want you to pretend there isn't any chapters or numbers.
(chapters and verses were used to help Monks copy the Bible by hand.)
Read it straight.
Stop picking and choosing a verse to fit your knowledge.

As for Exodus, again we are talking about two things.

God harden his heart not to let His people go, not to go to hell.

AGAIN, please someone answer me.
Where does it state they went to hell after drowning in the red sea?
It doesn't.

You all CAN'T CLAIM they are in Hell.
You don't know.
Exodus states exactly what it states. No hell in any chapter or verse.

God doesn't send anyone to hell. NO ONE.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/18/15


Nicole,

question for you.

Did you read verse 37 of John 6. That will answer who is the everyone in verse 40.

2 Peter 3:9 is written to believers see chapter 1 at the beginning of the letter.

In Romans 9:9-23 have a look at verse 17 it will explain to you who and why Pharaoh's Heart was harden.

Also take a look at aservant in quoting Exodus for you.



Again, read Romans
---john9346 on 6/18/15


Why do they have to rise if they are already in heaven? Why are they called asleep if they are awake?---Samuelbb7

Because you died a physical death. Rev 6:8 I believe, states people who died watching people on earth fussing at God for taking too time to end earthly life.

Only people have bodies to wear robes. Not angels.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/18/15


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Again Strong ax the verse does not say we go to heaven at death.

John 14:9 is true. But the Bible says Christians are not dead they are asleep.

1Corithians 15:6
After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

1Corithians 15:18
Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

NASB 1Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Why do they have to rise if they are already in heaven? Why are they called asleep if they are awake?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/18/15


Samuelbb7:

You said: You did not give me a verse that says the soul is immortal or that it flies to heaven at death.

John 11:26
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Jesus is not speaking about physical immortality (because ALL Christians, except maybe some born from 1900 onwards) have died. So even though you physically die, you're not really "dead".
---StrongAxe on 6/18/15


Okay, please tell it to me straight. Aservant, are you claiming the Egyptians that drown in the sea are in HELL?

Because it doesn't matter that they died. They were going to die anyway as you and I.
It's the after life I am debating.

How do you KNOW they are in Hell?
No where in the Bible states they went to hell after drowning.

If that isn't your position, then I have no need to debate it any longer.
I am only speaking about their state of being after death.

Please tell me your belief.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/17/15


Really Strong ax you believe souls of saints are trapped under an altar in heaven crying for vengeance? Which they do not start doing until the fifth seal is open?6:10 and then they should have a rest until the other saints are murdered. vs. 11

Or it can be like the blood of abel that cried out from the ground.

You did not give me a verse that says the soul is immortal or that it flies to heaven at death.

ICorinthians speaks of the Resurrection.

1Corithians 15:54
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

A future event. agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/17/15


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How many times did God give the people of Egypt to repent?

So how is it that God who caused them to sin?

GOD DOES NOT CAUSE ANYONE TO SIN! NOT A ONE!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/15/15


God hardened Pharaoah's heart so that he COULD NOT obey.

Ex 4:21 . . . but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
Ex 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart . . .
Ex 7:13 And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them . . .
Ex 7:14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Pharaoh's heart is hardened . . .
Ex 7:22 . . . and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them, as the LORD had said.
---aservant on 6/17/15


John, read chapter of John 6. V40 For my Fathers will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

What part of everyone means some???

2 Peter 3:9 No one should perish.

Pharaoh's heart was harden to not allow the people go when asked by Moses.
Guess what? He changed his mind and allowed them to leave.
Remember after the fact the Egyptian asked themselves 'why we let them go.'
They (men, not women) only perished chasing them.
God didn't strike not one until after they decided the punish for the Jews and God placed it on them.
Then they chased them into the water.
Plus, who said anyone of them went to hell? You are assuming.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/17/15


Samuelbb7:

You said: But no where does the Bible say the soul is immortal or goes to heaven. You have to look at pagan sources for that teaching.

Why would Jesus tell stories that taught false pagan beliefs? He told none where people sought advice from Baal, or committed any other pagan practices.

Rev. 6:9:
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

These souls are under the altar, and the altar is in heaven. Therefore, the souls are in heaven. These souls speak, so they are alive in some way. Yet they were previously slain, and had not yet been resurrected. Thus, they have to be immortal.
---StrongAxe on 6/17/15


Nicole:


1. "No! God also planned to destroy Nineveh until they repented.
GOD CHANGED HIS MIND ACCORDING TO OUR ACTIONS..

Nicole, I must ask you to please read the book of Jonah and note Jonah 2:9.

If you read, you will see that Nineveh only repented once God called. Now it does not say God responded after the people of Nineveh called.

2. "God NEVER makes a person SIN.
Everyone has freedom of the WILL."

"God knows whether a person will repent or not.
It's doesn't mean God caused the person NOT TO REPENT."

Nicole, Again, have you read Romans 9:9-23 as well as John 6:37-45 in context.

May Yahweh guide you to his truth,

John
---john9346 on 6/17/15


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Why would Jesus not use a fictional tale? Why do you say the Lazarus resurrected is not the Lazarus that Jesus was pointing by his story.

Matthew 13:3,10,13
And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow,

And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

The Bible speaks of the resurrection from the dead in I Corinthians 15. And in I Thessalonians 4. But no where does the Bible say the soul is immortal or goes to heaven. You have to look at pagan sources for that teaching. Look up Conditionalism.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/17/15


Samuelbb7:

You said: Many scholars from many denominations point to this as a parable.

Parables are fictional tales that may not have actually happened, but which perhaps could have happened. Jesus would not have told a story that was theologically impossible (which would have been the case, if nobody was in hell yet).

Jesus did raise Lazarus from the grave and as predicted they did not believe.

Jesus's kinsman Lazarus was not the same person as the Lazarus in the parable.
---StrongAxe on 6/16/15


Nicole,
Have you ever read Romans 9:9-23 which clearly explains God predestining Jacob and Esau and Pharoah and the Egyptians.God brought the Egyptians in the Red Sea to destroy them---StrongAxe on 6/15/15

No! God also planned to destroy Nineveh until they repented.
GOD CHANGED HIS MIND ACCORDING TO OUR ACTIONS.

God NEVER makes a person SIN.
Everyone has freedom of the WILL.

God knows whether a person will repent or not.
It's doesn't mean God caused the person NOT TO REPENT
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/16/15


Strong ax

Many scholars from many denominations point to this as a parable.

Why? Because to get the water and to receive the water both Lazarus and the rich man would have to have physical bodies. Also not all of the dead could fit in Abraham's bosom.

The point of the story is two fold. Being rich or poor does not make blessed or cursed of GOD. A doctrine then and now by many people.

Also that even if Lazarus came up from the grave they would not believe because they do not believe the Old Testament and words of Moses.

Jesus did raise Lazarus from the grave and as predicted they did not believe.

On Christ the solid rock I stand.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/16/15


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"Did God tell the Egyptians to cross the Red Sea also? No
So how is it that God who caused them to sin?
God warned them many of times."

Nicole,

Have you ever read Romans 9:9-23 which clearly explains God predestining Jacob and Esau and Pharoah and the Egyptians.

God brought the Egyptians in the Red Sea to destroy them

See Exodus 7:3-4, 9:12-16.

Yahweh is awesome!!!!
---j on 6/15/15


Samuelbb7:

You said: Fortunately no one is hell yet. For the day of judgement has not happened.

What about the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:20-31)? Jesus tells this story in the past tense, which meant that the rich man had already been in hell.
---StrongAxe on 6/15/15


Fortunately no one is hell yet. For the day of judgement has not happened.

Heb 9:26,27
For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

John 5:29
And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Read Revelation 20.

Eternal life is promised only to those who follow GOD.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/15/15


WHAT? Aservent, please read Exodus again.

How many times did God give the people of Egypt to repent?
God told them to let His people worship.
Finally the Egyptian said okay and let the Hebrew people go to worship.
But they CHANGED their mind and followed the Hebrews.

To show His Glory, God let His people cross the sea. They was enough GLORY DISPLAY.

Did God tell the Egyptians to cross the Red Sea also? No
So how is it that God who caused them to sin?
God warned them many of times.

GOD DOES NOT CAUSE ANYONE TO SIN! NOT A ONE!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/15/15


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Learner2,

1. When God gets glory its the greatest to him.

2. Yes, God is glorified when the reprobate/sinner is consigned to hell.

3. God is the creator and we are the creation.
---john9346 on 6/14/15


So God gets greater glory by sending people to hell sending them to heaven, is that right?
---learner2 on 6/14/15


Did God gain Glory and have His Name feared when He destroyed Egypt? See Ex 9:16.

I don't think any Egyptian went to Heaven. Wherever He sends people, they can't leave there, even if they want to leave very badly. The rich man could not even get one drop of water in Hell.

Does God's ability to punish him to that degree, with no possibility of minimizing that punishment, glorify Him as the ULTIMATE Punisher?
---aservant on 6/15/15


So God gets greater glory by sending people to hell sending them to heaven, is that right?
---learner2 on 6/14/15


"It was a 'what if' question." Really?

What if someone said you were a racist?

What if someone said you were capable of killing someone?

Even 'what if' questions are not appropriate with God.

To say 'what if' is to question God's love.
There isn't a 'what if' in God's Being.
Either it is or it isn't.
Either God loves me completely or He doesn't.
To say 'what if' God did something for a selfish reason is to question God's Love for us.

I will put to you in a way you can understand.
What if I offered you a billion $ for your child would you considered it for one day?
Your answered would be NO! in one second! You wouldn't need another second to consider selling your child.
Got it?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/14/15


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God doesn't need man to be glorified.

---Nicole_Lacey on 6/13/15


It was a 'what if' question.

GOD SAYS
Is 43:7 . . . every one that is called by my name . . . I have created him for my glory . . .

Jehovah is God to ALL --- Father to His chosen. Not Father to those going to Hell.

It is certain that MANY more people are going to Hell than are going to Heaven - Mt 7:13-14

Servant, I agree in part. I do not think, however, that God's main purpose in life is to glorify Himself. He doesn't need to.
---learner2 on 6/13/15


He might want to glorify Himself for preeminence over other worshipped gods, like in Egypt.
---aservant on 6/13/15


Aservant you are sick.

God's ways are not YOUR ways.

God doesn't need man to be glorified.

The Angel were already giving Him praise.

God said he never wish the evil one to perish but to return to Him.
So why would God cause one creature to perish to get praise from another?

That's like framing one of your kid so you can bail out another kid out of jail so the 2nd one can thank you day and night.

SICK!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/13/15


Servant, I agree in part. I do not think, however, that God's main purpose in life is to glorify Himself. He doesn't need to.
---learner2 on 6/13/15


. . . you can't say that God wanted Satan to rebel . . .can you?

---Cluny on 6/12/15


Let me ask you a question. If the Father's goal was to ensure the Son was glorified by being the Savior to mankind, wouldn't He devise a way to cause man to fall into sin?

What if mankind was created for the sole purpose to be the "stepping stool" that gives Jesus glory, like the bull enables the matador to be glorified? If not for sin, would mankind need a Savior?

Nothing is impossible to God.

Job 12:16 . . . the deceived and the deceiver are his. Jesus created both - Col 1:16-19.

Isa 54:16 . . . I have created the waster to destroy.
---aservant on 6/12/15


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Cluny, yes, exactly. I see no reason why that should not have been part of God's plan overall. God is running the universe completely absolutely.
---learner2 on 6/12/15


Cluny:

You said: After all, you can't say that God wanted Satan to rebel and take 1/3 of the angels with him, can you?

Since God is omnipotent, he can do as he pleases.
Since God is omniscient, he knows what will happen in advance.
He created Lucifer, and made him a pre-eminent angel, knowing in advance that he would rebel, and did it willingly anyway. So how can you say it wasn't he wanted to do? If he didn't want that, he could easily have done something else (unless he was under some other kind of external constraint, which would mean that he isn't sovereign)?
---StrongAxe on 6/12/15


\\Satan does nothing that God does not specifically want to do.
---learner2 on 6/12/15
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I think you mean to say that Satan does nothing that God does not permit him to do.

After all, you can't say that God wanted Satan to rebel and take 1/3 of the angels with him, can you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/12/15


Satan does nothing that God does not specifically want to do.
---learner2 on 6/12/15


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Cliff, God limits satan's access. God is in control.

You act as if God was surprised to see satan in heaven.
God Knows who in and out.
Remember, the book of Job is explained at our level not God's level.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/12/15


The old Priest was perhaps senile. If he was trying to defend stigmata as a sign, the cleric was wrong to do so.
Please read John 20:24-29, and then Matthew 7:15-(22)23, 24:5, 24, 2Corinthians 11:14, 2Thessalonians 2:1-4, 9, Revelations 13:11-15.
---Glenn on 6/12/15


Cluny, Where does scripture say satan "cannot reach up towards"??
According to the book of Job he still had access to the heavens then !
---1st_cliff on 6/11/15


But if Satan imitates the wounds. Then would he not get the worship of people. They would call him their savior and do all he says.

He wold take the place of JESUS by just showing some marks. As he shows up on TV and walks around the world the majority of People would believe and follow his every word.

That is what he wants.

All hail the power of Jesus name let angels prostrate fall.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/10/15


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Satan can't because he is too prideful. He got himself kicked out heaven after being there due to his pride.

He can't help himself.
His whole spirit is prideful.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/2/15


\\Can you think of any deceit he wouldn't stoop to, any depth he wouldn't sink to, to further his own ends?\\

Yes. This is what the question of my blog is about.

It's not about what depths he would sink to, but what he cannot reach up towards.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/2/15


Cluny:

You asked: Do you actually think that Satan would imitate the wounds that defeated him?

Why not? Can you think of any deceit he wouldn't stoop to, any depth he wouldn't sink to, to further his own ends? Even though he knows his time is short and his plans are futile, he nevertheless tries to do as much damage as possible, despite this.
---StrongAxe on 6/2/15


2Corithians 11:13,14
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Satan walks the earth showing the wounds of Christ saying to follow him for he is Christ. Almost the whole world would wander after him.

Why would some not believe him?

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/2/15


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None of the disciples believed until Jesus showed himself to them. It is just that Thomas was not there the first time. Otherwise, no difference.
---learner2 on 6/1/15


\\Cluny, What's to stop him, he's the arch-deceiver. (He's obviously deceived you )
---1st_cliff on 6/1/15\\

Projecting again?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/1/15


there is a difference between testing and seeking. We have this modern day mentality of all or nothing. We also make faith a "blind faith" instead of relying on past experience and God's continual blessings in the past to help us take each day struggles as they approach. There is a reason the crossing the red sea is repeated over and over in the red sea to remind Israel of God provision.
---Scott1 on 6/1/15


Cluny, What's to stop him, he's the arch-deceiver. (He's obviously deceived you )
---1st_cliff on 6/1/15


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\\Cluny, BCV where satan cannot imitate Christ's "wounds of the passion" !
---1st_cliff on 5/31/15\\

Where does it say he can?

Do you actually think that Satan would imitate the wounds that defeated him?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/31/15


Cluny, BCV where satan cannot imitate Christ's "wounds of passion"!-1st Cliff

Cluny knows that.
John 20:25
"We have seen the Lord." But he said to them, "Unless I see the mark of the nails in His hands and put my finger into the nail marks and put my hand into His side. I will not believe."

Thomas doesn't believe they saw Jesus.

The Gospel isn't specific on what Thomas doesn't believe.

You can read it thinking he doesn't believe Jesus rose from the dead, or you can believe he didn't believe the Disciples claiming they seen Jesus.

The people in Southern India (Kerlia) believe St. Thomas didn't believe the Disciples, but had faith that Jesus rose.
He wasn't hiding.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/31/15


Cluny, BCV where satan cannot imitate Christ's "wounds of the passion" !
---1st_cliff on 5/31/15


Thanks, Nicole.

The old priest was giving how one tells a true vision of Jesus from a satanic counterfeit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/15


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Cluny, I heard the same thing from a young Priest from India where St. Thomas spent most of his life.

He claim Thomas wanted to make sure it was Jesus the others saw and not someone else saying He was Jesus.

The Priest also pointed out that as the other Apostles were hiding in fear, Thomas wasn't.
---Nicole_Lacey on 5/30/15


John 20:27-29
27 Then He *said to Thomas, Reach here with your finger, and see My hands, and reach here your hand and put it into My side, and do not be unbelieving, but believing. 28 Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God! 29 Jesus *said to him, Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.

Thomas was UNBELIEVING and Jesus knew that. Thomas had said "unless I see"
---Rita_H on 5/29/15


Sounds reasonable.
---learner2 on 5/29/15


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