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aservant, Where does it say God is the author of "all" scripture including Paul's and Luke's writings ???? 2Tim 3:16
2Sam 23:2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me . . .
2Pet 1:21 . . . holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

God called His Inspired Words Scripture.
It's your word against mine !!! NO!! It's your words against God's. Rom 3:4 . . . God be true
---1st_cliff on 6/22/15

I ask you this question again.
---1st_cliff, Would you share why you work so hard to defame and diminish the Authority and Glory of Jesus?
---aservant on 6/22/15


\\WHO? determines what is and is not scripture ???? a committee of men? consensus of opinion ? \\

You're on the right track, 1stCliff.

It was the CHURCH who decided (or, better, through whom God worked) to determine what is scripture.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/15


Cluny, you made no bones about telling me where I was headed for my beliefs. I asked where you thought yours would lead. What I believe is so much more than what I stated about Luke's gospel and I'm sure you feel the same way.
---barb on 6/23/15


Peter was not the only leader. He submitted to James as the leader in the Council in Acts. This was James the Brother of Jesus not the Apostle. Peter also submitted to Paul when he was rebuked by Paul.

Galatians 2:11

But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Nor in the early church which taught that all the popes were equal. Ask Cluny or read true Church history instead or RCC propaganda.

Scripture was determined by the Early Church and there is no reason to change that fact.

So why follow any doctrine that starts with making the Bible a lie. The modern critics do that also.

On Christ the solid rock I stand.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/23/15


aservant, Where does it say God is the author of "all: scripture including Paul's and Luke's writings ????
WHO? determines what is and is not scripture ???? a committee of men? consensus of opinion ?
It's your word against mine !!!
---1st_cliff on 6/22/15




\\Well, Cluny, if what you believe is not true where will that lead?\\

||Cluny, I am saying that the gospel of Luke cannot be trusted . . .
---barb on 6/21/15||

Let me paraphrase your posts and see if I understand you, barb.

You don't believe the Gospel of Luke is trustworthy, but **I** believe what is not true.

Is this what you are saying?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/15


Aservant, I give you nothing but the witness of God, I quote nothing other than the Law and the Prophets and the testimony of Jesus.

Jer 8:8-9 "How can you say 'We are wise and the law of the Lord is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. The wise men are put to shame. They are dismayed and caught, behold they have rejected the word of the Lord. And what kind of wisdom do they have?"

God did not stop the scribes of old from writing lies neither does he stop the New Testament writers from writing lies. Both truth and lies grow together until the harvest. Matt 13:25-30.
---barb on 6/22/15


Barb, Traditions told us about Luke and Mark's sources. No where in the Bible states 'only Scripture'.
The Churches in the 1st 5 centuries only had Traditions from Jewish and Christians

Jesus made sure His Church had a human leader (Peter) before leaving earth.

NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DID JESUS SAY "Make sure you put all my parables and commands on paper." No where.

In fact He said I will send the "Holy Spirit to remind you all I have said to you."

Never once did Jesus say 'Write this or that'.

He said you are my disciples if you do what I tell you to do.

Traditions are in everyday life, except with God to some people.

Mark 14:9 Jesus said "PROCLAIMED" NOT READ.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/22/15


Cluny, I am saying that the gospel of Luke cannot be trusted . . .
---barb on 6/21/15


2Tim 3:16 All Scripture is . . . by . . . God . . .

God says that He is the Author of ALL Scripture, which includes Luke.

---barb, I ask you again, should we believe you, your analysis, your logic, your conclusions over God's INSPIRED Words, who does not lie?

Are you a greater deducer than God? Are you a greater witness than God's Words?

1Jn 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater:
---aservant on 6/22/15


Why would Almighty God need Paul's weakness to make Him strong?
---barb on 6/19/15

Paul's weakness reminded Paul that no matter how powerful Paul got he still need God's power. In Paul's mind, he could serve God better if the thorn was removed. But actually the thorn helped Paul than hindered him, because he had to rely on God continually.
---Scott1 on 6/22/15




The Church Fathers who were neither Orthodox or Roman Catholic. They were catholic and orthodox.

Luke interviewed many of the original witness he interviewed many not just Mary the Mother of Jesus but many others.

All doctrine must fit all scripture together. So when people decide to not follow the Gospel of Luke they are leaving the Bible truth for their own idea's or traditions above the Bible.

There is nothing in Luke that contradicts the rest fo the Bible.

On Christ the Rock I stand all other ground is sinking sand.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/22/15


Nicole, I answered you but it didn't go thru so I'll just ask you a couple of questions. Where is your proof that Luke learned from Mary and Peter? Who was Peter's source of truth and who is your source of truth? Who did Jesus say would be our teacher and lead us to truth?
---barb on 6/22/15


Well, Cluny, if what you believe is not true where will that lead?

"If you abide in Me, and My Words abide in you, you shall ask whatever you will and it shall be done unto you." John 15:1-27. "If you continue in My Word, then you are my disciples indeed. And you shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall make you free". John 8:31-39.

Only Jesus is called the Way, the Truth and the Life and there is a reason for that, therefore I ignore the lies sown by the devil and grow in the Truth that was sown by the Son of Man. Matt 13:37-43.
---barb on 6/22/15


If I read something in his gospel that does not agree with the eyewitness accounts then I go with the eyewitnesses who were chosen and taught by Jesus.---barb on 6/21/15

Luke got all his facts from Peter (Keys by Jesus) and from Jesus' Mother.

There are Gospels by chosen Apostles who were taught by Jesus, but deem by the Church Fathers to be placed in the Cannons of books in Bible.

St Thomas.

What about Mark? Only Matthew and John's Gospels were chosen.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/22/15


\\Cluny, I am saying that the gospel of Luke cannot be trusted.\\

In other words, you pick and choose which parts of the Bible you believe.

You're on a dangerous path, barb. It leads to atheism and damnation.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/22/15


Cluny, Consider this although Luke may have been a great "historian" he was not an apostle and the only non Hebrew to write scripture. I'm sure some of his observations are accurate. but this information was 2nd hand. Whoever told him that "story" was not Christian !
What one thing in the whole RM & L story makes "Christian" sense?
---1st_cliff on 6/22/15


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Cluny, I am saying that the gospel of Luke cannot be trusted. If I read something in his gospel that does not agree with the eyewitness accounts then I go with the eyewitnesses who were chosen and taught by Jesus.
---barb on 6/21/15


barb and 1stCliff, are you saying that you don't believe the Gospel according to Luke can be trusted?

Is that correct?

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/20/15


Cluny, the words of Jesus will agree with the words of God in the Law and the Prophets. Isaiah 8:20. God's plan for salvation has never changed and He sent His Son, the Word of God, to proclaim that message. John 12:49-50.

I believe the eyewitness accounts of Jesus' words and life because those He chose were taught at His feet and these are the Words He spoke to them, "But when the Comforter is come, who I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of Truth, who proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me, and you also shall bear witness because you have been with me from the beginning". John 15:26-27.
---barb on 6/20/15


Cluny, Which words are Christ's words ? "because some one said so"?
Luke quotes Jesus whom he never met..is that truthful?
Do you know that if some one tells you a lie and you repeat it, YOU are also lying ?
---1st_cliff on 6/20/15


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. . . it is Jesus who needs Paul to be weak to perfect His, (Jesus') strength.
---barb on 6/19/15


2Cor 12:8 (GW) I begged the Lord three times to take it away from me. Paul has the need - not Jesus. Paul is the seeker here - not Jesus.
2Cor 12:9 Paul (not Jesus) now desires more of the power of Jesus manifested in him.
2Cor 12:10 Paul declares that he will no longer avoid suffering, since Jesus will strengthen him.

God's human servants are the temple where the Holy Spirit resides.

Eze 36:27 I will put My Spirit within you . . .

1 Cor 3:16
1 Cor 6:19
---aservant on 6/19/15


\\I meant to say that not all words written in red are actually the words of Jesus.\\

And how do you determine which really are the words of Jesus and which are not, barb?

Do you have information or mss we don't?

This exactly the game played by higher criticism groups such as the Jesus Seminar. In fact, it's the lie told in Eden. "Did God REALLY say.....?"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/19/15


Aservant, you might want to read 2nd Cor 12:9 again to understand that according to Paul, it is Jesus speaking and that according to Paul, it is Jesus who needs Paul to be weak to perfect His, (Jesus') strength.

Jesus does not teach that the Holy Spirit enters or possesses us. He taught that the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. John 16:13-16. Speaking to His disciples, Jesus said that The Holy Spirit would teach them and bring all that He (Jesus) taught them to their remembrance. John 14:26. Therefore we have their written account of His testimony. John 15:27.
---barb on 6/19/15


so you're saying . . . you're obligated to feed one who "desires" to eat at my table?? Not in my house
Now somehow that's a crime??!
---1st_cliff on 6/19/15


The rich man was guilty of withholding from a beggar who needed to be shown love (i.e., charity).

Jesus did not obey commandments to fulfill the Law. He LOVED the world to FULFILL the Law.

Rom 13:8 . . . he that LOVEth another hath FULFILLed the law.

Rom 13:10 . . . LOVE is the FULFILLing of the law.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is FULFILLed in one word, even in this, Thou shalt LOVE . . .
---aservant on 6/19/15


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. . . not all words written in red are actually the words of Jesus. Luke . . . received his information second hand.
---barb on 6/19/15


You don'tunderstand.

The Spirit "entered" Mary to impregnate her with Jesus. The Spirit "enters" (the body) of the Scripture writers, He is the real Author of Scripture. All the words in red are accurate.

Isaiah 11:2 The Spirit of the LORD . . . the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding . . . the Spirit of counsel and of might, the Spirit of the knowledge and fear ...

Isaiah 4:4 . . . by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire.

God is always inserting and retrieving spirits from inside a man.
---aservant on 6/19/15


Why would Almighty God need Paul's weakness to make Him strong?
---barb on 6/19/15


2Co 12:10 . . . for when I am weak, then am I strong.

It is the same type of thing when helping Mary or helping the writers: when God's servant becomes weak, God will ensure That He strengthens His servant.

Here, the Father strengthened Jesus so that He was able to submit to the tortuous beating He endured for us.

Luk 22:43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
---aservant on 6/19/15


Cluny, Jesus is God, the Son of God.

I meant to say that not all words written in red are actually the words of Jesus. Luke was not an eyewitness of Jesus but received his information second hand. Take a look at Luke 13. Compare the straight gate there with the eyewitness account in Matt 7.

There are also red letter words in Acts and Corinthians that when studied don't live up to Jesus' testimony such as 2nd Cor 12:9. Why would Almighty God need Paul's weakness to make Him strong?
---barb on 6/19/15


God Himself does not die, but He is in and through things which do die and decompose. Jesus was God in human form, when He came to this earth in flesh and blood. But He Himself did not die when He left this world's life. He died in the meaning that He stopped living on this earth, but spiritually He did not die but kept on being who He is.

Also, this can help to feed how we understand love. Love . . . God's love . . . can't die. So, love is immortal. If we live in God's love for any and all people, we live in love which will keep us alive even while we leave this world and our physical bodies.

For us, like Jesus, we will still exist, though we "die" by leaving this world's life.
---Bill on 6/19/15


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\\Not everything written in red letters in the bible is the Word of God.
---barb on 6/18/15\\

Do you mean to say that Jesus is not God, and/or that He did not say all the things attributed to Him in the Holy Gospels?

Please explain, barb.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/19/15


A lot of people might "desire" to eat at my table
so you're saying that if some one would "desire" to eat at your table, you're obligated to feed them ?? Not in my house
Now somehow that's a crime??!
---1st_cliff on 6/19/15


Not everything written in red letters in the bible is the Word of God.
---barb on 6/18/15


2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God . . .

God says that He is the Author of ALL Scripture.

Should we believe you over God?



What merited Lazarus that he goes to heaven . . .
---1st_cliff on 6/18/15


God alone determines who goes to Heaven. Salvation is a gift - Eph 2:8-9, not a reward for being or doing good.

No one merits salvation. Lazarus was selected by God, and went to Heaven in the parable.
---aservant on 6/18/15


Cliff, you said,

"The Rich man was not uncharitable since he fed the beggar at his gate !"

Anyone can check Luke 16:19-31, to see if this is what the Bible says.

My Bible says Lazarus was "desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table."

It says Lazarus was "desiring", but does not say the rich man actually gave him anything. Plus, if the rich man was charitable, why did he leave Lazarus out there to die?

Jesus will give you more than crumbs >

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)
---Bill on 6/18/15


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Exactly, 1st Cliff. I agree. Not everything written in red letters in the bible is the Word of God.
---barb on 6/18/15


Cliff, it's an allegory.
---learner2 on 6/18/15


1st of all to all these naysayers:
What merited Lazarus that he goes to heaven, doesn't indicate that he was even Christian!
The Rich man was not uncharitable since he fed the beggar at his gate !
Luke is quoting Jesus who he never met.. since he was not of Hebrew decent was very likely well schooled in Greco-Roman mythology!
Hades/sheol (common grave of man)does NOT contain fire!

The bible writer must be truthful to be believed.
Because this STORY is quoted by so many denominations there should have been at least one "back up"
---1st_cliff on 6/18/15


1st_cliff:

Regarding the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, you said: This nonsensical story belongs in Dr.Seuss ,books !

Of course, it's common for things Jesus said to SEEM like nonsense to some people:

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

How much of Jesus's teachings do you consider nonsense?
---StrongAxe on 6/18/15


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GOD CAN'T DIE. If He dies we all will be dead in a second.
Plants, animals, sea mammals
rocks, trees. WE ALL DIE

GOD is so merciful that He solves the problem.
God sends He Son 2nd Person of the Trinity to take a icon from the Virgin Mary' to a baby because she is pure, sinless and the only capable of given DNA to Jesus pleasing to God to have him Sacrifice.
Remember We are born to lie.
Jesus was born to die as requested by His Father.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/17/15


This nonsensical story belongs in Dr.Seuss ,books !

Tell me one piece of "reality" that this story conveys . . .
---1st_cliff on 6/17/15


Mk 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure (beg) thee by God, that thou torment me not.

Here, the devils provide witness:

- Jesus is the Son of God
- He is responsible for their coming torture (which they don't want)
- They begged Him from their knees (i.e., they worshipped Him)

1st cliff, I fear to call Jesus a liar. So should you.
---aservant on 6/17/15


Hi, Cliff (c: That parable of the rich man and Lazarus can help us a lot. The problem of the rich man was that he did not do something. He did not have compassion on Lazarus, and so, because he did not love, he could not "fit" into Heaven.

Also, we might consider how Satan was in Heaven itself, but Satan was not satisfied with how Heaven is. Even with all that loving and all that is right and Jesus Himself in Heaven, that was not good enough for Satan.

So, it is likely a Satanic man like the rich man would not have been happy in Heaven. And, since people's spirits keep existing after their life in their body ends . . . God has no second-best blessing, because He "is love" (in 1 John 4:8 & 16).
---Bill on 6/17/15


\\Evangelicals jump on the Rich man and Lazarus story as if it says anything intelligent\\

Do I understand you to say that Jesus told parables that were not intelligent?

||No other bible writer backs up this fairy tale !||

How many times must the Bible say something for it to be true?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/15


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Evangelicals jump on the Rich man and Lazarus story as if it says anything intelligent
1st the RM did nothing wrong that he should be burned!
2nd Lazarus did not even believe in Jesus!
"The Rich man died and was buried". Obviously buried alive because he spoke from the grave that either the casket or body bag was on fire,he sees Abraham "afar off" through 6' of earth and makes conversation..
This nonsensical story belongs in Dr.Seuss ,books !
No other bible writer backs up this fairy tale !
Tell me one piece of "reality" that this story conveys.....Dah
---1st_cliff on 6/17/15


Since the flesh is not real the story cannot be real.

---Samuelbb7 on 6/17/15


Jesus does not lie. This is a parable = a short story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson by allegory, analogy, or similitude.

He must present things to us in a way to which we can relate.

The principle(s) of Lazarus and the rich man are true:

- No one can get a single drop of water in Hell (i.e., nothing to comfort you or relieve your suffering).

- There is not even a momentary reprieve from the punishment of God.

- No one in Heaven can help you because God prevents them.

- Wealth can't help you.
---aservant on 6/17/15


Lazarus and rich man are now in spirit world. Not sure what the finger and tongue consist of. Can't be flesh body. Flesh is dead. aservant

True the Flesh is dead. The person is asleep not alive in a spirit world.

1Thessalonians 4:13,15
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

Since the flesh is not real the story cannot be real. We await the resurrection from the dead. See above and I Corinthians 15. Revelation 20:6

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/17/15


- ** -

Soul births anguish (Jn 12:27), exultation (Luke 1:46), and pleasure (Mt 12:18).

Also, soul is (Bible Dictionary) . . .

- seat of the appetites
- seat of emotions and passions
- activity of mind
- activity of the will
- activity of the character

All these cease upon death = soul depends upon spirit.

Lazarus and rich man are now in spirit world. Not sure what the finger and tongue consist of. Can't be flesh body. Flesh is dead.
---aservant on 6/16/15


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We describe the Godhead as three persons who have equal power and nature but different characteristics. So we can say God is one and God is three. Think of it has a small company, A manager, a worker, a salesman. Together they are the company, call it God but different roles: the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. See Gen. 18 Abraham calls one of the men, "Lord" this is God's Son before Mary in the OT. Or the firey furnase in Daniel, there are 4 men in the furnace who is the other person,

//Why do you have to muddy up a clear message that God's Son volunteered to die for us and His Father brought Him back to life . . .
---1st_cliff on 6/14/15//

I agree with this statement as evidence of the trinity.
---Scott1 on 6/16/15


Man has 2 natures. Body man and Spirit man. See Romans 5-7. When Adam was created he was created in the image of God. However, Seth and the human race was created in the image of Adam. Gen 4. Before the fall Adam's spirit man was alive symbolized by the Tree of Life. The spirit man is immortal however it can die because the wages of sin is death. Thus we have a dead spirit man at birth. Jesus had virgin birth aka no Adam sin thus his Spirit man is alive. On the cross all of the world's sin was placed on Jesus thus his body man died. However, his Spirit man had never sinned thus the resurrection. Romans 8.
---Scott1 on 6/16/15


Bill:

Yes, exactly. He who has seen my arm has seen me. He who has seen my leg has seen me. But it does not follow that my arm is my leg.

One time, many years ago, I was bored, and took a dictionary, and, starting with the word "angel", followed a chain of synonyms (i.e. words that mean the same thing), and after enough steps, arrived at "devil" - two words that definitely do NOT mean the same thing.
---StrongAxe on 6/16/15


First Cliff, they saw His outward appearance doing things. And a lot of people did not see who Jesus is, spiritually, deeper.

Plus, Jesus Himself says, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father," in John 14:9.

So, if we have seen Jesus we have seen the Father. So, according to your way of arguing with just words, you might have to claim that the Father also is not God, since we have seen Him.

But I offer that each time a word is used, it can be talking about a different thing. So, if you try to use a certain word, always with the exact same meaning, this can get you confused and be playing nothing but a game of word chess, as though every word has to always mean only one thing . . . witch you dictate it to mean.
---Bill on 6/16/15


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aservent according to Genesis we are a soul.

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Soul can die.

Revelation 16:3
Matthew 10:28
...but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

1st Cliff Jesus was GOD and man. To see him was to see the Father. John 14:7
...and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Rev 15:3
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty, just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

They are saying this to the lamb.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/16/15


/Also the rich man had a physical body so his tongue could be cooled by the water from the physical finger of Lazarus. So this is a parable as most scholars state.\-Samuelbb7 on 6/15/15
A parable, at least in the Bible, is a relational story about something that has happened or could happen to bring about a deeper meaning.
The sower sows seeds.
The landowner uses hirelings.
Each person place or thing is real but has a deeper meaning.
To say that a certain account is a parable and also say it is impossible is denying it's a parable.
One can't have it both ways.
---micha9344 on 6/16/15


For those Trinitarians that insist that Jesus is/was almighty God..

Jn.1 18 no one has ever seen God !
Ex.33.20 no one can see God and live...
Hundreds saw Jesus

Either the bible lies or the Trinitarians are a bunch of mixed up pagans !
---1st_cliff on 6/15/15


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. . . Bible never says the soul is attached to the spirit. They are two different things.

Also the rich man had a physical body so his tongue could be cooled by the water from the physical finger of Lazarus . . .

---Samuelbb7 on 6/15/15


Very astute.

They are different. Like red and white corpuscles, which are very much alike, yet different, doing the work of the blood in the same space.

My flesh eyes cannot see spirit or soul. So they may be contiguous. The soul may housed in a designated space inside the spirtitual body.
---aservant on 6/15/15


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But aservent the Bible never says the soul is attached to the spirit. They are two different things.

When a person dies they are called by the Bible asleep.

1Corithians 15:6
After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

1Corithians 15:18
Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

We are to be resurrected from the dead. Before we are judged.

Also the rich man had a physical body so his tongue could be cooled by the water from the physical finger of Lazarus. So this is a parable as most scholars state.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/15/15


- xx -

See where the rich man's spirit talked, and his soul was in anguish, after he died and was in Hell - Lk 16:22-25.

When a man is executed for sin, his flesh dies and his spirit (soul "attached") returns to God (who assigns it to Heaven of Hell, until judgment). The dead beggar went to Heaven, the dead rich man went to Hell.

When Jesus' was executed, His Spirit returned to the Father - Lk 23:46. The only difference is that the Father commanded (Jn 10:18) Jesus to resurrect Himself (Jn 2:19). Jesus (not the Father) will resurrect all others - Jn 6:44.
---aservant on 6/15/15


aservant, Your explanation is right out of Egyptian mythology....they mummified the body because they believed that the soul could re visit it at will, also the fashioned a casket after the likeness of the person in case the body deteriorated!

somehow this theory has trickled down to become part of pseudo Christian belief !
---1st_cliff on 6/15/15


/To be specific, Satan didn't say that - the serpent did (and nowhere does it say the serpant was Satan).\-StrongAxe on 6/14/15
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him
-The serpent was Satan.
/If you want to believe that snaked can talk...\-1st_cliff on 6/14/15
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Num 22:30 So the donkey said to Balaam (NKJV for you sensitive types)
-The serpent spoke
---micha9344 on 6/15/15


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Jesus died by laying down His life in this world. But spiritually He was still alive in God's realm. So, yes He did die, really, by stopping His life in this world's level of physical existence.

And by His death we have been reconciled to our Father, Paul says in Romans 5:10 >

"For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life." (Romans 5:10)

"And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son." (1 John 5:11)

The eternal life in Jesus did not stop when He died by being no longer active in His body in this world.
---Bill on 6/14/15


- b -

1Co 15:45 . . . The first man Adam was made a living soul (dependent upon spirit), the last Adam was made a quickening spirit (is Life giving Spirit).

Jesus is NOT a LIVING soul. Adam and Jesus are not the same.

1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
---aservant on 6/15/15


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Why do you have to muddy up a clear message that God's Son volunteered to die for us and His Father brought Him back to life . . .
---1st_cliff on 6/14/15


1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial . . .

Every human has two bodies: One body is spiritual to give us life (celestial), and the soul exists "attached" to this body. The second body is flesh (terrestrial) which houses his spirit (e.g., "wetsuit") so that he can operate in the earth.

Jesus' Spirit body did not die. No one's spirit body dies. On death, all spirits return to God.
---aservant on 6/15/15


Strong Axe, If you want to believe that snaked can talk.....when's the last time you had a conversation with a snake ???
---1st_cliff on 6/14/15


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OK I get from the evangelicals on here that Christ never "really" died , well that's fine if it suits you, but if dropping His beaten up bundle of flesh and bones brings us salvation , you do not understand that "Christ" died for us not just faking it to make it look like He died is no different than the pagan religions extant !
You are still in your sins since you don't believe Christ died !,,my my, so sad!

Why do you have to muddy up a clear message that God's Son volunteered to die for us and His Father brought Him back to life after parts of 3 days had passed! Too simple for your foggy minds !
---1st_cliff on 6/14/15


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God breathed into Adam's nostrils and he became a "LIVING" soul.

---1st_cliff on 6/14/15


"LIVING" soul = soul emanating from Life (God's Spirit).

The soul is not in breath. Breath is what God used to transport His Soul into Adam, like a river is used to transport a boat.

Jn 6:63 (GNB) What gives life is God's Spirit . . .

Soul is "dependent" upon Spirit. Spirit leaves the body, soul follows.

Soul cannot exist without spirit (personality cannot exist without life).
---aservant on 6/14/15


aservant:

You said: Parents are not subject to the rules they impose upon their children, i.e., they don't have to obey those rules.

This is abundantly clear if you look at Congress. Many of the rules they impose on everyone else doesn't apply to themselves.


1st_cliff:

You said: Nicole, satan said to Eve "You will not surely die"

To be specific, Satan didn't say that - the serpent did (and nowhere does it say the serpant was Satan).
---StrongAxe on 6/14/15


YAHUSHUA's (JESUS') Body, His physical Body died on the Cross.

He, Himself, His Soul immediately went down to the Paradise side of Hell, right went He gave up the Ghost on the Cross.

The Son of GOD did not die spiritually or soulishly, for He is Divine and cannot, in and of His own nature, ever die or be eternally separated from the GOD-Head.

He only died physically.
---Gordon on 6/14/15


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Cliff: God came to earth in the flesh & in the flesh He died, but since God is Spirit, He lives eternally.
---Leon on 6/14/15


God has no sin or iniquity in Him, sin brought death to man, since God cannot sin, He can never ever die. God bless you.
---Lilia6353 on 6/13/15


Parents are not subject to the rules they impose upon their children, i.e., they don't have to obey those rules.

God is not subject to the Law He imposes on His called, elect, and chosen. He does not have to obey them.

Sin = disobedience to the will of God. Sin's wages = death. God cannot be disobedient to His own will.
---aservant on 6/13/15


Cluny, You obviously have a problem with English.
God breathed into Adam's nostrils and he became a "LIVING" soul. Take away his breath and he becomes a "dead" soul.
Bible- Adam lived 930 years and then he died.
Evangelical- Adam lived 930 years and he morphed !
That Jesus "borrowed" death is the most ridiculous statement to date ! (not scriptural)
You need to get over this idea that it was Jesus' "body" that saves us,no,no no He actually died and was dead for parts of 3 days !
---1st_cliff on 6/14/15


Nicole, satan said to Eve "You will not surely die" and you've swallowed this hook line and sinker !FYI nowhere in the bible does it ever say the soul is immortal, deathless or never dieing !
I cited the BoM because I'm aware of other religious beliefs!, you obviously are not "balanced"
---1st_cliff on 6/14/15


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\\Cluny, I asked it again because it has NOT been answered\\

As I said earlier, in the Incarnation, the Logos/Son borrowed death, something foreign to His divine nature, to save us from it.

This may not be the answer you want, but it's the correct one.

\\ The soul can never die!, scripture says "the soul that sinnith , it shall die"\\

It's not talking about the death of souls. The context is saying that the son shall not bear the father's guilt, nor vice versa. "Soul" is being used as a metaphor: the part for the whole.

If you can't understand books written for adults, don't read them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/13/15


God is Immortal, Immortal means not subject to death. He is the Eternity, meaning He abides forever and ever. God has no sin or iniquity in Him, sin brought death to man, since God cannot sin, He can never ever die. God bless you.
---Lilia6353 on 6/13/15


Cliff you must be Mormon because I NEVER read their book to quote any part of it.

The Person of Christ can't DIE. ONLY HIS HUMAN NATURE.

So God is confused or you?

Genesis, He states we shall die but in the Gospels, Jesus claims His Father is of the LIVING NOT THE DEAD.

I want Scripture from Jesus or GOD'S LIPS only. Hint:(Red words)

Or when Jesus states to be afraid of the one who can kill the soul not just only the body.

Even Jesus knows the soul CAN'T DIE.

You are solely misguided.
Study the Bible first before reading another book.
Bible vs book of Mormon?
What's next? The book of JW?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/13/15


He can't die. Jesus' flesh died, not His Spirit.

Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

When Jesus (God, a Spirit who came down from Heaven - Jn 6:33, 38 and dwelled inside of flesh) was executed, His Spirit did not die because no spirit dies.

Normally, his flesh would have returned to dust, but His Spirit reentered His flesh and revived it so that He was again able to function in the earth.

It is not possible that God could ever die. He is the Highest Spirit - Jn 4:24.
---aservant on 6/12/15


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Cluny, I asked it again because it has NOT been answered
Nicole, you gave a direct quote from the book of Mormon Alma 42.9 The soul can never die!, scripture says "the soul that sinnith , it shall die"
Again...it's not the death of the "body" but the death of the "person" of Christ that saves us !
What is the meaning of "immortality" ??? Only God has it !
1Tim.6.16.
---1st_cliff on 6/13/15


Yes, God is immortal, and therefore Jesus stayed alive while His body died. Hebrews 2:14-15 > Jesus used His death, "that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."

So, when we say Jesus died for us, this means that only His physical body died . . . while He, deeper, was using His death to defeat and destroy Satan.

But humans can fear death. And "fear of death" is slavery to Satan. So, we, like Jesus, need to not be victims of our things, but use our troubles and death for God's love purpose >

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21)
---Bill on 6/13/15


No God doesn't die. We got the Spirit of life from God and when we die the Spirit of life goes back to God,the life is in God and of God. All life was created by God. God is the beginning and the end,the First and the Last. God is forever in the future and has been forever in the past. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/13/15


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