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Nicole Lacey I've never studied very much where our waiting place after death is but I know that the spirit of Life goes back to God who gives it and I do believe in cognizance life after death. Given that I would think there would be somewhere up there in God's heaven like the Paradise the thief on the cross went to. People who had experiences of death on an operating table saw a bright light and was welcomed by loved ones. I know this for certain when we live for God,putting Him first in this life He will have a wonderful waiting place for us until the Day of Judgement. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 7/6/15


Karthr, I think we are going in circles. I am the one saying the SOUL DOES NOT DIE when death occur.

Samuel believes they are asleep or something.

Jesus states they are alive after death and His words are enough for me.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/6/15


The Second shows that Jesus was resurrected. I believe and teach the Resurrection just like Jesus said and as Written in 1st Corinthians 15.

How did the soul of Jesus get out of hell? By the resurrection. Hell is also used in the Bible as the resting place of the dead. Pull up a Strong dictionary of the word hell. Read it yourself.

Mortal means will die.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

1Corithians 15:53
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/6/15


(Not) shown me a verse where the Bible says the soul survives death.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/5/15


These show that Jesus' soul survived death.

Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell . . .
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell . . .
---aservant on 7/6/15


Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame. 25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot, neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Samuel, No scripture???YOU'VE been shown over and over YOU just decide YOU don't believe.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/15




So Samuel, I showed you verses that PROVE, the soul of the righteous and unrighteous survive the death of our physical bodies. The problem is YOU were taught by someone those verses are Jesus speaking in fables and fairy tales. So now, even if you wanted to believe the names Lazarus and Abraham were fictitious characters Jesus just pulled out of the air, exactly what do you believe IS the point of what Jesus was saying? You say Jesus MADE UP(LIED) a story about souls talking to one another after their physical bodies died? Or are you saying Jesus was referring to the 2 death here....where again, the SOUL IS NOT EXTINGUISHED. AND Abraham at that time would already have his glorified body.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/15


Actually Kathyr and Leslie

Neither of you have shown me a verse where the Bible says the soul survives death. Both ignore the context of Jesus speaking of the Resurrection. 7/4/15.

Their souls can't be in their bodies if the bodies are in the ground. 7/2/15

Neither have answered about the seals. 7/1/15 You demand my answers then ignore them. I give you scripture and ya'll ignore them. I asked you about the resurrection. Again no answer.

How about what Genesis says?

Also. Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine, as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/5/15


Nicole, When our physical body dies, the soul does not die. One either is present with the Lord ..the soul that is, waiting for the resurrection where we will be given Glorified bodies, or await the final judgement. Luke, which SDA's don't believe tell us the soul never dies...that is extinguished. TODAY YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE, is another proving the soul never is extinguished. If the soul is extinguished when one dies, then Jesus was extinguished .....which we see never happened. his physical body died. Sheol/ hell is an actual place. One too must distinguish between hell and the Lake of fire, AGAIN, where the worm dies not. It makes no sense for a lake of fire if those who have died already are judged immediately after death.
---kathr4453 on 7/5/15


//After all Jesus is the Master not Paul.//

I say, if there is a question between Yeshua and Paul, I'll go with Yeshua. However, I do think Paul is misunderstood quite often.
---Rod4Him on 7/5/15


Karhr, please explain what you think Jesus is saying over and over again to the Scholars of the Jews that His Father is the God of the Living not the Dead.
How can Jesus make it simpler for you?
If you are ALIVE you have a soul inside of you.

Let's debate Jesus' Words not Paul if you don't mind.
After all Jesus is the Master not Paul.

Samuel, you still refuse to explain Rev 6:9.
Moses and Elijah talking to Jesus. Samuel telling Saul he and his son will JOIN him, guess what? They die and joined him.

BELIEVE

Jesus also called people dead as they were talking to Him. He meant spiritual death.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/4/15




Actually Samuel, unless one understands Romans 6-8 one cannot really understand 1 Corinthians 15. When we "died" with Christ is our physical body gone? When Adam sinned there was a death, yet not a physical one. Jesus Christ is who brings LIFE right now, out of those DEAD IN SIN, who receive Him. So we see scripture steeped with words, LIFE, DEATH, DEAD, applying to those still breathing. Colossians 3:14- YE ARE DEAD.....Paul talking to breathing humans. If you can't rightly divide these truths, .....well, it's a problem to those like the SDA.

no verse in the chapter states the soul is extinguished when the physical body dies, but actually the opposite.
---kathr4453 on 7/5/15


Dear Nicole

If you dig up graves the bodies are still there. So they have not been resurrected yet. You are correct we are resurrected then stand before GOD in judgment. The dead don't recognize time since they are asleep.

You are correct the words of Jesus are supreme.

Kathyr you need to read 1Corithans 15 which is about those who have died.

Luke 20:35
But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead...

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/4/15


Their souls are inside their bodies wearing the robes. Like our souls in our bodies.
Nicole_Lacey


Like I said Nicole, you need to read 2 Corinthians 5 AGAIN, and put it in perspective. No one's soul is inside a body, dead or alive wearing a robe. And NOWHERE did Jesus words ever make such a statement, not even in Revelation. Your saying all souls with their bodies are buried under an alter. That verse says nothing about bodies, or souls being in their dead bodies. Our soul leaves the body once the body dies. Under the alter would be somewhere in heaven. And Samuel, if Jesus is conversing with them, the soul is alive. It's what separates man from animal.
---kathr4453 on 7/4/15


Yes, I do Samuel. But you seem to think 'time' exist after death.

You are resurrected once you die and have a personal judgement. Then at the end there will be a complete judgement including the falling angels.

But that doesn't mean Adam and Eve are sleeping somewhere.
They are awake and talking.

Kathr, I have read the whole Bible, but read the NT more than the OT.
I always place everything in context with the Gospels.
No text crosses out any of Jesus' Words.
They fall in line of Jesus' Words. His Words are Supreme.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/4/15


I believe Nicole and Samuel need to read 2 Corinthians 5.....the whole chapter. Those Born from Above are a NEW CREATURE, who are no longer known after the flesh anymore. Therefore the flesh, whether dead or alive is not an obstacle. Absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 7/4/15


But Nicole I do believe that GOD is the god of the living not the dead. I just look at the context and understand it differently. So do you believe in the resurrection from the dead?

1Corithians 15:12
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

Philippians 3:11
If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

You never answered about the seals and when were the seals opened.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/4/15


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If you don't take Jesus at His Words that His Father is the God of the living NOT THE DEAD, WHO am I to think reasoning with you all is possible.

I guess that is why Jesus kept saying:
"Who ever has ear to hear, let them HEAR." OVER AND OVER.

MARK 4:9 AND MATTHEW 11:15
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/3/15


Their souls are inside their bodies wearing the robes. Like our souls in our bodies.
Nicole_Lacey

I agree about left behind, different reason.

For souls to be in their bodies they have to have been resurrected. To go to heaven we have to be resurrected. Because our Body plus spirit is our soul.

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Our Spirit which also is our thoughts and us returns to GOD.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

I commend you for answering my questions. Many don't try.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/2/15


Sorry Samuel, I hate it when people don't answer my questions.

Rev 6 Doesn't give the size of the altar. I am sure you don't think Heaven is the size of a Church?
Why does the altar have to be small? millions of martyrs in the last century more than the other centuries combine.
They are fussing at God for not moving fast enough. They been murdered and see their killer roaming freely.
Only martyrs wear white robes in heaven.
Their souls are inside their bodies wearing the robes. Like our souls in our bodies.
Now God told them to be patience because more of us will be killed to join them before Jesus returns.

Left behind is a joke because EVERYONE ALIVE WILL BE LEFT BEHIND. JESUS said I shall return, not return twice.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/1/15


Nicole you didn't answer my questions. Why?

Left Behind movies are a joke.

So in Heaven there is an Altar? Under that Altar GOD stores martyrs and that is a resting place. Why are they trapped there and go and visit the rest of Heaven? Why are they crying for Vengeance?

Jesus also said Lazarus was asleep and that he was dead.
John 11:11-13
Luke 24:5
And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?

Notice the other times Jesus spoke living and dead was about the Resurrection. Not the dead being alive in heaven.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/1/15


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Kathr, you're funny!
---learner2 on 7/1/15


Really? Rev 6 is a symbolic prophecy about those tortured during the Dark Ages. It doesn't mention anything about "people looking at earth". What do they use, long range telescopes?-jerry6593 on 7/1/15

They are Heaven with God who can do ANYTHING.
I guess you don't believe Jesus either since you didn't QUOTE HIM YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR
Mark 12:27 and Luke 20:38

Jesus used the word Dead and Living.
HOW clearer does He have to tell you for you to believe.

Stop running to the NT outside the Gospel to ARGUE with JESUS.

If Rev 6 is symbolic than "Left behind" movie is a joke.

Since when do you have the authority to say when Jesus is speaking plainly or symbolically?

YOU DON'T!
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/1/15


Nicole: "I gave Scripture that PROVES PEOPLE ARE LIVE LOOKING AT PEOPLE ON EARTH. Rev 6"

Really? Rev 6 is a symbolic prophecy about those tortured during the Dark Ages. It doesn't mention anything about "people looking at earth". How do spooks without eyes look? What do they use, long range telescopes?

Here is real, relevant scripture:

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead KNOW NOT ANYTHING

Job 19:25,26 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: ... yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Act 2:34 For David is NOT ascended into the heavens:

1Ti 6:16 [God] Who ONLY hath immortality



---jerry6593 on 7/1/15


James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

This is the verse legalisms and religious people don't understand Micha. When Jesus said no longer servants but FRIENDS, it shows a changed relationship with God. Israel was in fact God's servants, UNDER THE LAW. yes, thy knew his attitude, but didn't KNOW HIM. **( John 17, Philippians 3** KNOW here is the more intimate relationship. No long servants but SONS. Bone of His Bone, flesh of His flesh. Ephesians.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/15


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St Dismas....Hummm, whom the RCC names as the GOOD thief. And somehow became a Saint because he did what? repented? Acknowledged he was a sinner? Well then, that makes EVERY repentant sinner a SAINT. Or does the RCC have some special powers making Dismas something he is not....a channel to God? Praying to the dead is witchcraft PERIOD. Jesus is ALIVE. WHATEVER you believe about Saul and Samuel and the witch, God ended Saul's life and took his Kingship away for this very thing. ...the desire to want to talk to the DEAD....Totally FORBIDDEN IN SCRIPTURE. Is it any wonder why we hear of so many stories of demonic activity in the RCC..possession, and other weird stuff? They openly INVITE it in. MYSTERY BABYLON. READ HER DESCRIPTION.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/15


Dear Nicole I believe all the Bible. You are taking the verse out of context and not following what it says.

This verse is about the opening of the fifth seal.

Revelation 6:9

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Have the seals already been opened? Are all the seals literal events? Why are souls of martyrs kept under an altar? Wouldn't that be uncomfortable? What is a soul? (Bible verse only) You can use a Bible dictionary with it. Where are the rest of the Souls? Bible verse please. Why are they given robes? How are they resting? Why are they crying for vengeance?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/1/15


Luke 19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
-Servants don't always know their master's intentions, actions, nor attitudes.
---micha9344 on 6/30/15


This Scripture you ref shows the servant to have an acute understanding of his Master's attitude and expectations (austerity and profiteering), though he likely does not know his business plan for next week.
---aservant on 6/30/15


I'll still pray to St. Dismas, thank you very much...
---learner2 on 6/30/15


This will be your end. Thank you very much.

Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth,
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
---aservant on 6/30/15


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I'll still pray to St. Dismas, thank you very much...
---learner2 on 6/30/15


/Yet, a servant is well acquainted with His Master's attitude.\-aservant on 6/30/15
John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants, for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Luke 19:21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
-Servants don't always know their master's intentions, actions, nor attitudes.
---micha9344 on 6/30/15


Jerry, Samuel and you STILL IGNORE parts of the BIBLE that is written in black and white or red when Jesus is speaking.

I gave Scripture that PROVES PEOPLE ARE LIVE LOOKING AT PEOPLE ON EARTH. Rev 6
Please ADDRESS THAT Scripture instead pretending it isn't there.
Angels do not have bodies, so they are not wearing the white robes God gives them to STOP FUSSING AT HIM.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/30/15


You are projecting your own feelings on God . . . Is that true, do you speak for him?
---learner2 on 6/29/15


Hab 2:19 Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake, to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it. 1Kg 18:26-29, Ps 97:7, Is 44:17, Jer 51:47, Dan 3:7, Dan 3:18, Ps 135:17

Scripture speaks for Him. It is His Word. Yet, a servant is well acquainted with His Master's attitude.

You seem to speak very bravely against The Almighty. Even Satan does not speak so stoutly against the eternal Judge as do you.
---aservant on 6/30/15


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Nicole: Samuel makes a valid point. Jesus claims that the dead will be resurrected AT THE LAST DAY - not float off into space as disembodied spooks on the day they die.

Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.


Look at the example of King David - a man after God's own heart.

Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:

---jerry6593 on 6/30/15


Yes nicole everything you said is correct. But the doctrine you teach says Lazarus was not in the grave but in Heaven.

Jesus said Lazarus was asleep or dead. Not alive and awake in heaven. He called him out of the grave because he was not in heaven.

Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

John 8:52
Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets, and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

These leaders did not believe the dead were alive.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/30/15


servant, I don't think God gets very upset, but I think you get upset. You are projecting your own feelings on God. Maybe you think you speak for him and everything. Is that true, do you speak for him?
---learner2 on 6/29/15


Christians can do miracles greater than Jesus...Reading the entire bible will bring knowledge to a person especially when one allows the Holy Spirit to guide you.---Steveng

If you are unable to tell which one is greater then you NEED to only read the Gospels. Your 1st statement doesn't need a response because you don't realize the creature ISN'T GREATER THAN THE CREATURE.


Jesus called Lazarus out of the grave. Not down from Heaven.---Samuelbb7

He came out of the grave because he had to WALK out of the grave.
DIED AS JESUS SAID, or do you think Jesus is still confused when the disciples said he was asleep why the rush?

Body placed in GRAVE by family first before walking out of the grave to family.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/29/15


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Sometimes Christians pray to the saints. I like Saint Dismas.
---learner2 on 6/28/15


Jn 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Jn 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Jn 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

God gets upset when we prefer to interact with dead things instead of interacting with the Living God.
---aservant on 6/29/15


But Nicole I went to the words of Jesus and just added the rest of the words you ignore. The words which shows He was speaking of the resurrection. Why do you want to ignore those words?

Well how about these words of Jesus. Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Also the whole Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit. But the words of tradition are followed above the Bible. Why is that okay?

John 11:13
Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

Jesus called Lazarus out of the grave. Not down from Heaven.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/29/15


Nicole_Lacey wrote: "How can another person's words be GREATER than Jesus?"

Christians can do miracles greater than Jesus.

Nicole_Lacey wrote: "If something is confusing to you, please ALWAYS follow Jesus' Words."

Reading the entire bible will bring knowledge to a person especially when one allows the Holy Spirit to guide you.

Nicole_Lacey wrote: "Again, JESUS SAID HIS FATHER IS THE GOD OF THE LIVING!
End of story. Jesus spoke it and it is TRUE!"

Only to the christians after the first resurrection and all others after the second resurrection.
---Steveng on 6/28/15


Sometimes Christians pray to the saints. I like Saint Dismas.
---learner2 on 6/28/15


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"Do christians pray to God the Father or to Jesus?"

Believers pray to the Father in the name Jesus, as one under the authority of The Christ.
---Josef on 6/28/15


Correction Samuel, the witch asked Saul who he wanted from the dead, not it was Samuel. Saul knew it was Samuel not the witch. Stop spinning words in the Bible.

Kathr, please stop running to another parts of the NT Bible to counter cut Jesus' Words.
I am so AMAZED at you all.
How can another person's words be GREATER than Jesus?

If something is confusing to you, please ALWAYS follow Jesus' Words.

Again, JESUS SAID HIS FATHER IS THE GOD OF THE LIVING!
End of story. Jesus spoke it and it is TRUE!
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/28/15


Good question Steveng.

Kathr the witch said it was Samuel. 2Samuel 28:12,14 She wouldn't lie now would she. She can pull Samuel up from the dead. This servant of GOD had to obey her.

I did explain the people. It is symbolic since they are woken up from their rest under the altar then give robes and told to go back to rest. Since GOD would not force people to live under altar it is symbolic like most of Revelations.

If they are in Heaven not the grave then why do they have to be called up? if they are awake in heaven then why are they called asleep?

Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/28/15


Lacy, all Christians ask others for prayer. Who said they NEVER ask another to pray for them? Our open prayers in SS begin with prayer requests, those we know are sick etc. and we pray for them, called intercessery prayer. The NT is full of these examples. Even Paul asked for prayers. AND Paul prays for others. But we all STILL must go to the Father THROUGH Jesus Christ....not THROUGH anyone else.

Saul and the OT Jews believed in the afterlife or Saul never would have even thought to ask another to summon Samuel. Witchcraft is/ was forbidden. This is why God punished Saul.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/15


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1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Here we have a contrast between those dead in Christ, and those alive physically...still IN CHRIST. Those who have physically died and are IN CHRIST...are asleep IN THE LORD, not in the ground. The trump will WAKE them, not reincarnate them. THIS is the first resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/15


Kathr, you don't know if they are saved? You can be asking a unsaved person claiming to be saved to pray for you. I pray to God the Father myself. I just don't pretend I don't ask another being.

Steveng, I was being smart with Samuel. The people in Rev 6 which he can't explain were dead people on earth while people still live on earth. Before either Resurrection.

Samuel, now you claim the Witch DIDN'T bring Samuel from the dead.
ONE BIG PROBLEM.
IT IS THE Bible telling you the Witch brought Samuel from the dead, NOT the Witch.
She didn't even know it was him, she only described Samuel as an old man who is rising, clothed in a mantle.
Saul knew that IT WAS SAMUEL! 1 SAMUEL 28:8-18
So do you believe the Bible or not?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/27/15


i never said I only need Jesus! You all do, but then you ask your friends to pray for you.
I always ask people to pray for me because I don't CLAIM only asking Jesus to go the Father. YOU DO.

So, Please STOP claiming "I go straight to Jesus."
BEAUSE OU DON'T. Nicole_Lacey on 6/26/15

You're still not making any sense, OR you're not understanding what it means to go to the Father through Jesus. As members of His BODY, and as brothers and sisters in Christ, anyone who is saved can pray directly to God the Father. Those NOT SAVED can't. The reason we can go directly to the Father is because we are IN CHRIST. We can also pray for those who are not saved. I would never ask an unsaved person to pray for me.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/15


Nicole_Lacey wrote: "No more death after the Resurrection. Read the Gospels "

Which resurrection, there are two of them. Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 6/26/15


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Correct Nicole the Sadducee's did not believe in life after death. But Jesus taught the Resurrection from the Dead as did Paul 1Corithians 15. Which also says the dead are asleep.

Elijah never died. 2Kings2:11 Moses Resurrected Jude.



No I believe the Witch lied and the Devil does not have the power to raise the dead but can imitate them to fool people. If it was Samuel then the devil can order people of GOD.

Symbolic unless you believe that GOD keeps some resting souls under an altar. Resting can also infer go back to sleep.

Read Acts 2:29,34. David is dead. So why do you say He is alive in heaven?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/27/15


Samuel, read Mark 12 again, but start at v18. The Sadduccees did't believe in the resurrection. So, Jesus gave a two punch hit answer saying no marriages in Heaven and THEY ARE NOT DEAD BUT ALIVE!
You are greatly misled!!!

Even the witch was able to speak to Samuel from your so called dead. Is she greater than God?
Mark 9:4 Even Elijah and Moses are alive after death to speak to Jesus.

But the best evidence since you dislike Jesus' answer is Rev 6:9-11 Dead people fussing at God to avenge their death. Given white robes, so not angels because they don't have bodies. Then God tells them to wait for more dead brothers to be killed as them (so they are alive still)

No more death after the Resurrection. Read the Gospels
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/26/15


Great Verse Nicole it shows what I believe the dead are asleep. You just have to quote it in context.

Mark 12:25-27
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels which are in heaven.
And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

He says when they shall rise or at the resurrection. Since that has not happened yet they are asleep in the Grave. Mary died and was buried in the grave where she awaits the resurrection.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/26/15


Kathr, you are talking off both sides of your mouth.

I never said I only need Jesus! You all do, but then you ask your friends to pray for you.
I always ask people to pray for me because I don't CLAIM only asking Jesus to go the Father. YOU DO.

You are correct about Moses and many others in the Bible including Paul requesting prayers.

So, Please STOP claiming "I go straight to Jesus."
BEAUSE OU DON'T.

Remember Jesus said to fix your vision because trying to help someone.

Samuel, argue with Jesus. JESUS HIMSELF SAID HIS FATHER IS GOD OF THE LIVING NOT THE DEAD.
READ THE GOSPELS, PLEASE.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/26/15


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Because I am so tired from hearing people claiming they don't need anyone but Jesus to go to the Father.
Then before they can breathe, they are asking others to pray for them.

---Nicole_Lacey on 6/25/15

Nicole, even if one asks another to pray for them, that person praying STILL needs to go the the Father THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. You're comparing apples to oranges here. Hopefully your not insisting the old levitate priesthood with the blood of bulls and goats is still in effect today interceding for the SINS of the people. OR that they has some special power to God???

TODAY Jesus, our high Priest intercedes because of His own Blood, for the sins of the people. There is no need for the Old Priesthood, or a mock priesthood.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/15


Nicole, let's take Moses when Israel sinned. Moses was not a priest. YET he interceded in prayer for Israel. Moses reminded God of His Covenant promises to Israel. It was because of God's promises to Israel that God did not destroy all of them.

Job prayed for his sons, and with that offered sacrifice for their sin. Job was just a man, not a priest.

Hebrews explains the New Covenant that ANYONE can come boldly to the throne of Grace to find help and mercy in time of need. OR your whole church can come with confidence to the throne of Grace with prayers and supplication. Or even your neighbor. Every day, every minute.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/15


You actually gave part of the answer yourself. Nicole. We ask others to pray to JESUS or the Father directly for us. We don't ask dead people to pray for us.

Jesus is our High Priest. Hebrews 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

In the Old Testament there many priests. But only the High Priest could inter the Sanctuary. Jesus is in the Sanctuary now. He is in charge. No man on earth is our High Priest.

Thank you aservent. Jesus was telling the man to follow the laws of GOD. By this He would also give witness to His power.

On Christ the solid rock I stand.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/26/15


Samuel why do you think Jesus told the healed Leper to see the Priest.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/18/15


Mt 8:4 And Jesus said to him, See that you tell no one, but go, show yourself to the priest. And offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony to them.
---aservant on 6/25/15


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Thank you Bill for giving James 5:16.
Because I am so tired from hearing people claiming they don't need anyone but Jesus to go to the Father.
Then before they can breathe, they are asking others to pray for them.
It drives me crazy.
Either you believe only Jesus can speak on your behalf or you don't.

So, before anyone tell me who I can't ask to pray for me, please stop asking others for yourself FIRST.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/25/15


"Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (James 5:16)

If we do this in submission to our Father guiding us "continually" (Isaiah 58:11), He will guide us about who we share with and pray with.

But if we take things into our own hands, we are in the dark so we do not know who to trust.

And ones I know pray to our Father in the name of Jesus Christ His Son. So, it is not one "or" the other. And I would say this is not a "chain", but in submission to how our Father guides us.
---Bill on 6/25/15


So why do you all asks your friends, family or Pastor to pray for you to Jesus when in need?

Why do Protestants have chain prayers?

How do you know the person you are asking for you isn't in a wrong moral stand with God?
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/25/15


Christians pray to the Father, through the Son, in the Power of the Holy Spirit. No one can come to the Father except through His Son, Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 6/24/15


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---Steveng on 6/14/15

Jn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Jn 4:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Jn 15:7
Jn 15:16 . . . that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Jn 16:23 . . . Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
Jn 16:26
---aservant on 6/20/15


Samuel, again just because you THINK Catholics worship Mary and the Saints doesn't make it so.

According to your theory you worship your Pastor, spouse, friends, chain friends as anyone who you felt to ask them to pray for you to God.

After all you could have asked Jesus yourself. So why disturb anyone else with your requests?

Jesus is the only One you need.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/20/15


yes Nicole I have to follow the law of GOD and the Bible, out of love for GOD and others keep the Ten Commandments.

Rom 13:8,9

.... Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, ....

Prayer is not my only form of worship either but in asking GOD to help me. I need Jesus to help me. I also need to follow the rule that Jesus set.

Our Father is who we pray to. In prayer I worship Latria the Father. I can respect saints and people but I will not Dulia or hyperdulia any human being.

Have you read Exodus 20:1-17 in your Bible? Compare it to the Catechism. They are not the same.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/19/15


YES, Jesus and the healed Leper followed the rules set by His Father in Heaven.

Now that Jesus made new rules, when giving Peter the keys to Heaven for 'what so ever' (His words not mine) it doesn't apply to you?

Jesus and the Leper had to follow rules but not you?

BTW, Jesus wasn't the High Priest when directing the Leper.
He is the High Priest on the Cross and now.

When did I ever say Jesus wasn't the High Priest?

Again, prayer to you isn't the same for me. It might be your only form of worship, but not me.
Prayer is communication.
The Holy Mass and Praise is my worship. I am not limited in worshiping Jesus.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/18/15


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Nicole, Our High Priest is Jesus. You did not pray to High Priest that was blasphemy. He went to get the official cleansing ruling. As prescribed in Scripture.

Yes Paul always agreed with Jesus. It is modern people who try to make them disagree by misquoting Scripture and leaving out many of the words of Paul

Read Romans 3, 6 and 13.

Eph 2:19-21

Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God, And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone, In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
---Samuelbb7 on 6/18/15


Samuel why do you think Jesus told the healed Leper to see the Priest.
Do you think He because He is God.

Jesus made the rules on Last Supper.

Why do you all run to Paul to try to discredit Jesus' Words?

Use the Gospels please when trying to change Jesus' commands.

Not creature vs Creator.

Jesus ALWAYS IS RIGHT!

BTW, Paul Never taught the opposite of Jesus.
He was a Great Disciple.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/18/15


"Prayer can be given to God, angels, saints, Mary the mother of God and even to evil spirits." Nicole_Lacey

You can pray worship all these. Only one is to be worshiped.

We have a High Priest and our prayers which is worship is to go only to GOD. John 16:26

Heb 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus,

Heb 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 6:20
Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/18/15


Samuel, each verses you gave still support my statement.
Prayer is another form of communication.
Prayer isn't worship.

Praise is a type of worship, but not complete worship.

Jesus told us how to worship Him in the Last Supper.
That is worship.
Which we worship during Mass.

Prayer can be given to God, angels, saints, Mary the mother of God and even to evil spirits.

When you talk to God, you are only communicating with God which He desires, but He wants us to worship Him as well.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/17/15


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Correct Nicole it was used that way. But in the Bible it is used in a different way when we are talking to GOD.

Mat 6:5
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Read all of chapter 6. Luke 18:1,10

John 14:16
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever,

John 16:26
At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

We pray to the Father in the name of the son. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/17/15


Praying only means communication.

The word praying doesn't not mean worship.

Watch old English films.
They say it all the time.

'I pray thee, let me have some tea.'
Or
'I pray thee, tell me where you are going.'
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/16/15


John 16:23 and Matthew 6:9-13 sets an order on how prayer is to start and end,however, Jesus accepts prayers as well see John 14:13 and 14, and Acts 7:59.

See also the Holy Spirit's Role in prayer see Romans 8:26-27, Ephesians 6:18, and Jude 1:20.
---john9346 on 6/15/15


This is how we are taught to pray Our Father who art in heaven,to the Father only. The verse John 16:23-24 (tells us how to pray now,)--,whatever you ask the Father in my name(Jesus)He will give you. The Bible tells us the only way to reach God is through Jesus. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/15/15


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Great question

Christians pray to God The Father, God The Son, and God the Holy Spirit,however, so grievious most Christians do not pray or worship the Blessess Holy Spirit.
---john9346 on 6/15/15


I pray to the trinity- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit which dwells in Christians.
---Geraldine on 6/14/15


both

By prayer I mean communicating in order to get what comes from God.

For one example, Stephen personally communicated with Jesus, asking Jesus to receive His spirit >

Acts 7:59.
---Bill on 6/14/15


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