ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

All Male Football Team

Is it biblical for a Christian Female to play on an all-male High School Football Team?

Are there scriptures for support?

Join Our Free Singles and Take The Cultural Issues Bible Quiz
 ---john9346 on 6/15/15
     Helpful Blog Vote (4)

Reply to this BlogPost a New Blog



\\The southern Baptist convention was the only denomination founded on such an abomination (slaver).
---john9346 on 7/1/15\\

So what was one time called the Methodist Episcopal Church, South.

It reunited with the main body of northern Methodists in the early 1900's, and since merged with the United Brethren, and is now known as the United Methodist Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/4/15


Now you see one reason I left Baptists when I got saved.---Cluny 6/30/15

I grew up half in Alabama and the other half as a Military Brat in the late 70's and 80's.

I will say one thing, those Southern Baptists who believed those things died out and dying now.
In my youth I had several Southern Baptist welcome me to their Churches and Events trying to correct their horrible error.

Now, there isn't any racist Southern Baptist Churches.
I know Black people who go to mostly White Southern Baptist Churches and feel comfortable every Sunday.

Thank God things HAVE CHANGED
M. Obama never lived in Alabama, so I regret her remarks.
I been in Alabama for a total of 20 years.
Alabama is a wonderful STATE!
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/2/15


. . . to have SOME exclusive activities, "all-male" and "all-female" . . .
---Gordon on 6/19/15


God wants men and women to maintain their distinctiveness.

Dt 22:5 (Brenton) The apparel of a man shall not be on a woman, neither shall a man put on a woman's dress, for every one that does these things is an abomination to the Lord thy God.

Roles are distinctly different: Man made for God / woman made by God out of man, for man, Fathers / Mothers, all church leaders = males, all birthers of babies = women, God condemns effeminate men, and by extension, He condemns masculine women, man is to pray uncovered, woman is to pray covered. 1Cor11:4-15.
---aservant on 7/1/15


Cluny,

1. There is a line of demarcation between racial discrimination and the discrimination of the sexes.

2. Not all Baptists believed in racial segregation, southern Baptists yes because the southern Baptist convention was founded on the issue of slavery.

The southern Baptist convention was the only denomination founded on such an abomination (slaver).
---john9346 on 7/1/15


\\Racial segregation is bad and unneccessary.\\

I was 12 years old when King came to my home town to exploit an unstable situation. No one knew who the legitimate government of the city was.

And I remember hearing from the pulpit and my Sunday School teachers that racial segregation was ordered in the Bible.

Now you see one reason I left Baptists when I got saved.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/30/15




Jed:

You said: Do you think that men and women should use the same bathrooms, just because blacks and whites use the same bathroom?

No, and if you actually read what I actually wrote in the last couple of messages, you would know this, because I addressed that exact subject. However, wherever there is a single bathroom (e.g. in a house), men and women share without problem, and when there are multiple ones (e.g. in public places), there are separate ones for men and women, of equal quality. That was NOT the case with racially segregated bathrooms.

Gordon: You can't complement with someone you're competing against.

I guess you've never played chess or cards with your wife.
---StrongAxe on 6/22/15


Wow. Strongaxe, you are so wrong and confused if you don't see the big difference between racial segregation and gender segregation. Racial segregation is bad and unneccessary. Gender segregation is not only appropriate at times, but necessary. Do you think that men and women should use the same bathrooms, just because blacks and whites use the same bathroom? There is a big difference between race and gender.
---Jed on 6/21/15


StrongAxe, Black men and White men are both still men.
The only difference is their skin colour. GOD made men as men, regardless of skin colour and ethnicity.

But, men and women are just plain different, (though both are human beings), they are still wired differently.
And, men and women don't need to compete with each other, they need to learn about and live with each other and COMPLEMENT each other.

You can't complement with someone you're competing against.
---Gordon on 6/21/15


You said: Issues of gender is not the same difference as race/ethnic issues.

How so?

You can have both Blacks and Whites on an all-male sports team.
Likewise for an all-female team.


You can have both males and females on an all-white sports team. How is this different?

Different sexually, physical and emotional strengths and weaknesses are different between men and women.

While this is true on average, some women are stronger than the average man, etc. Why penalize exceptional individuals because of the average?
---StrongAxe on 6/21/15


StrongAxe, You cannot compare "male vs. female" with "white vs. black".

Issues of gender is not the same difference as race/ethnic issues.

You can have both Blacks and Whites on an all-male sports team.
Likewise for an all-female team.

The fact is that men and women were designed to be different, by Creator GOD.

Different sexually, physical and emotional strengths and weaknesses are different between men and women.

Yes, there ARE similarities 'tween the two.

But, by-and-large, they are different.

No, it is not bad, wrong or negative in any way to have an all same-gender sports team.

Why would it be??
---Gordon on 6/20/15




Gordon:

You said: A woman has no business being on an all-male sports team.

Well, by the very definitions of the words, you are, of course correct. But the bigger question is, SHOULD there be an all-male sports team (if there aren't opportunities for a corresponding all-female sports team)? It used to be that baseball was an all-white sport (so, by its very definition, non-whites were not allowed), but we eventually got over that particular prejudice.
---StrongAxe on 6/19/15


I won't give Scripture, because, off the top of my head, I don't know of any. But, I'm totally willing to shoot from the hip.

A woman has no business being on an all-male sports team.

I believe that it is a Godly thing to have SOME exclusive activities, being of "all-male" and of "all-female", for both boys and girls and men and women.

It's important for male and female development.

We need to get off this cycle of all-inclusive, unisex, non-gender bandwagon we have today.

One reason why we have gender confusion and "transgenderism".

Loss of respect for the creation of the male and of the female in all their Divinely created uniqueness.
---Gordon on 6/19/15


StrongAxe,

You are refusing to answer my question which proves my point.

You seem to have hesitations on saying yes or no that you would allow the drug dealer in to your home.

This is my point exactly by the fact that you are reluctant to answer shows that you are discriminating.

You see, we are called to discriminate behavior what is to be questioned is motivation.

Not permitting a female to play football is appropriate and proper discrimination because the motivation is innate. Are there exceptions yes, but if you think about it when has the exception ever been the rule.


Think about it.
---john9346 on 6/19/15


john9346:

You asked: would you let the drug dealer in to your house yes or no

It's quite possible that a lawyer wanting to come into my home might well want to do me more damage (e.g. by suing me out of house and home) than a drug dealer (who might only want to rob me), so it's a very interesting question.

Jesus had more respect for prostitutes and thieves than for lawyers and theologians. I had a good friend who worked as a handyman. His best clients were poor widows (who could barely afford to pay), while the absolute worst were doctors and lawyers and other rich people, who would contract for work, then use every trick imaginable to avoid payment (even though they had money). You can't judge by appearances.
---StrongAxe on 6/19/15


StrongAxe,

The question to you is this would you let the drug dealer in to your house yes or no?
---john9346 on 6/18/15


I had completely forgotten that you mean something very different by the word football. Now you have reminded me I cannot actually imagine that girls would want to play 'your' kind of football but many girls here do play soccer.
---Rita_H on 6/18/15


Read These Insightful Articles About Debt Relief


\\StrongAxe, where I live most football clubs (and many other organisations working with young people) are run solely by volunteers.\\

Rita, don't forget that in the USA, football is a different game. It's played basically with plate armor and helmets.

What is called "football" in the UK is called "soccer: in the USA, and there are both boys' and girls' soccer teams in many schools.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/18/15


StrongAxe, where I live most football clubs (and many other organisations working with young people) are run solely by volunteers. If there were a need for a female team but no facilities (changing rooms etc) suitable for both sexes if is highly likely that some enterprising people would soon start a team for the girls also.

Some anti-discrimination laws have been helpful and some harmful. They often rule out the use of plain old fashioned COMMON SENSE.
---Rita_H on 6/18/15


john9346:

You said: There is nothing wrong with discrimination if we don't discriminate we don't exist.

for example, if 2 people come to your house 1 a lawyer the other a drug dealer.

Tell me which one would you allow to come in your home to sit down with you, meet your family, and move in to your house?


In my house, I set my own rules. However, in public forums, funded by taxapayer money paid equally by men and women, the same rules must apply to all. If a lawyer and drug dealer came into my store to buy bread, I would have to sell to both of them.

If a lawyer and drug dealer came to Jesus's house, he would likely call the lawyer a hypocrite, and dine with the drug dealer.
---StrongAxe on 6/18/15


John you are correct. All the girl has to do is find other girls who want to play football.

Next, it is going to be that you have to let younger children play football with high school teenagers or it's discrimination.

COMMON SENSE ISN'T COMMON
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/18/15


Read These Insightful Articles About Debt Settlement


StrongAxe you said, "Forbidding girls from being on the boy's team is saying "Sorry, you can't play football at all" - which IS discrimination."

There is nothing wrong with discrimination if we don't discriminate we don't exist.

for example, if 2 people come to your house 1 a lawyer the other a drug dealer.

Tell me which one would you allow to come in your home to sit down with you, meet your family, and move in to your house?
---john9346 on 6/18/15


Rita_H:

You said: 'There are anti-discrimination laws that prevent this in most areas.' It would not be discrimination if there were also an all-female team. At least that is how it would be in U.K.

This is true. If there are comparable facilities available to both genders, separate facilities are permissible (the most classic example is restrooms). However, if there is no corresponding facility (e.g. an all-female football team), then forbidding girls from being on the boy's team is saying "Sorry, you can't play football at all" - which IS discrimination.
---StrongAxe on 6/17/15


"
Again, gender has little to do with this (unless you think men are inherently brutes, and women are inherently weak).

---StrongAxe on 6/16/15"


Uhhh. Newsflash: women ARE inherently weaker than men! And men ARE inherently stronger than women! Hence the primary reason for segregated male and female sports teams.
---Jed on 6/18/15


StrongAxe, yes, that's true.
---learner2 on 6/17/15


Send a Free Hi Friend Ecard


'There are anti-discrimination laws that prevent this in most areas.' It would not be discrimination if there were also an all-female team. At least that is how it would be in U.K.
---Rita_H on 6/17/15


StrongAxe,

1. God discriminates and calls upon us to do the same.

2. There is nothing wrong with discrimination what is wrong is the motivation behind it.

3. Not allowing a girl on an All-male Football Team is proper appropriate discrimination because it is based on Nature/innate Behavior and not something essential for life.
---james1&5 on 6/17/15


learner2:

You said: It is impossible for any group of people to be all male if there is a female in the group.

Yes, that is correct, but then the relevant question is, "is it appropriate to have a group that excludes members of one gender?". There are anti-discrimination laws that prevent this in most areas.

If you substitute a different discrimination criterion (e.g. an all-white football team that excludes other ethnic groups), you can be sure that most people would be all up in arms, as that sort of thing has been illegal since the 1960s.
---StrongAxe on 6/17/15


It is impossible for any group of people to be all male if there is a female in the group.
---learner2 on 6/16/15


Read These Insightful Articles About Distance Learning


Bill:

You said: Well . . . if she is "Christian", doesn't this mean gentle and humble and not trying to be more or better than others?

Yes, but how would this be different if she was a boy? If that were a valid argument, one could argue that NO Christians should join football teams.

How much would she need to be protected from rogue players trying to hurt her? Would that suffering be for Jesus, or her own ego?

Again, gender has little to do with this (unless you think men are inherently brutes, and women are inherently weak).
---StrongAxe on 6/16/15


Bill thanks,

I finally receive an answer from someone who understands my question and is able to respond without very judgmental sarcastic opinions.

Again, thanks.
---john9346 on 6/16/15


Well . . . if she is "Christian", doesn't this mean gentle and humble and not trying to be more or better than others?

Paul said, "I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some." (in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23)

Does she want to do this in order to be "all things", to reach people for Jesus?.

And if she wants to be a team player, I think she would not force herself on anyone, but do it with team agreement.

"If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men." (Romans 12:18)

How much would she need to be protected from rogue players trying to hurt her? Would that suffering be for Jesus, or her own ego?
---Bill on 6/16/15


In other words, somebody wants people to pull theologically robust answers out of a total vacuum - which frequently ends up with contentious common-sense arguments, but no actual biblical evidence (since there is none).

Well, what might be common sense to you might not be so to another person right?

Also, doesn't everything in life come down to either biblical or unbiblical in practice?

Why would a female playing on an all-male football team be any different?
---john9346 on 6/15/15


Read These Insightful Articles About Education


I think that one of the most popular kinds of questions on these blogs is of the form:

Is (something the bible never mentions) biblical?

or

Is it biblical to do (something the bible never mentions)?

In other words, somebody wants people to pull theologically robust answers out of a total vacuum - which frequently ends up with contentious common-sense arguments, but no actual biblical evidence (since there is none).
---StrongAxe on 6/15/15


\\Should she just go on how she feels about it?
---john9346 on 6/15/15\\

Unless it's your daughter or you are the coach, stay out of it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/15/15


Well, the liberals who are in charge of public schools claim that gender isn't even a real thing, so I don't think they'll mind. Perhaps she can be a dude when she's playing football and even use the boys' showers, and then she can be a girl the rest of the time? Have you thought to ask your daughter if she is in fact a girl? Or did you just assume she is one because she has girl parts? I certainly hope you didn't unfairly assign a gender to her at birth without first consulting her to see which gender she wants to identify as!
---Jed on 6/15/15


So if the bible does not say either way which seems that is what you both are saying then what is right in this situation?

Should she just go on how she feels about it?
---john9346 on 6/15/15


Read These Insightful Articles About Home Equity Loans


It's common sense not to let a female play a contact sport with a male.
You don't need the Bible for everything.
God gave us a mind to use.

Next, the female player will file a sexual harassment suit.

Can't men do anything by themselves?
Why are some women determined to break them up.
Leave them alone.
Men need to be silly with other men, or beat each other up. Whatever makes them tick.

Men are completely different when a woman isn't around.

Then they come home to reality.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/15/15


It is called an all-male team for a reason UNLESS it is just that no girls have been interested in joining so far which just makes it 'co-incidentally' all male. However, if it is called 'all-male' she should not even be considering it.

You will not find scriptural support for something like this. God gave us common sense for a reason.

If I've misunderstood something let me know.
---Rita_H on 6/15/15


Since the Bible says nothing about football whatsoever, this is a non-question.

The real questions are these:

1. Why does she want to play on an otherwise male team? (If she joins it, it ceases to be all-male, right?)

2. Why are her parents allowing her to do so? To participate on school teams, especially contact sports, requires parental consent.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/15/15


Copyright© 1996-2015 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.