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As a Christian Husband, should I allow my wife to put my Infant Son in Pink Clothing?

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\\What is she trying to prove?


---jerry6593 on 9/13/15\\

Even better, what is Henry trying to prove?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/15/15


As an infant, the kid won't care. But what is with your wife? What is she trying to prove?


---jerry6593 on 9/13/15


\\Your online character is pinkish regardless of your pastel scrubs.\\

My scrubs are tan, not pastel.

\\1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? ...\\

And this verse refer to pink just how?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/10/15


Trav:

You told Cluny: Your entire dialog declares that your personality is pink. You defend pink, argue for pink, then you are pink.

How so? Looking at all his posts here, in most cases, he's not defending pink per se, but rather challenging the reasoning of those who oppose it, since scripture rarely prescribes nor proscribes particular colors. My posts have been similar. (The only two exceptions I could find were mentioning that people from India like pink, and that his grandfather liked pink - both anecdotal evidence about others).

1Co_6:9

I notice, in the scripture you quoted, the total absence of any mention of "pink".
---StrongAxe on 9/9/15


I also have a preference for blue and green.
What does this say about my personality?
---Cluny on 6/19/15

"Also"?
Your entire dialog declares that your personality is pink. You defend pink, argue for pink, then you are pink. You win. Be pink. Who cares? Your online character is pinkish regardless of your pastel scrubs.
1Co_6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
---Trav on 9/9/15




T:

Here's the REAL reason: Ezekiel 16:49:
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

(Jesus never spoke about trans-genderism, but frequently about compassion, and condemned inhospitality as that of Sodom in Matthew 10:15, 11:23-24, Mark 6:11, Luke 10:12)

I don't recall "pink" or "blue" being genetically determined, or either color being mentioned in the Bible as pertaining to either gender. Any such custom separation is merely man-made tradition.
---StrongAxe on 9/3/15


In the Word of God it stipulates that " Man wear that which pertains to man and woman wear that which pertains to woman "
When I read your story, I have to think " Are they Children of God?"
There were two cities that was destroyed by God because they started off with ideas like yours.
If they have something dangling between their legs then it's safe to say that it's a boy. I've never heard of a doctor picking up a newborn and seeing it's a boy says " it's a girl ".
---T on 9/3/15


Ladies, if he's a boy then bring him up as a boy, that is his God given right.
Don't bring him up doing girl things, wearing girl things, you're only confusing him
Don't bring him up in girls ways just because you always wanted a daughter or because you don't like males or whatever else excuse you can come up with.
If you love your son then bring him up to be all he can be as a boy and as a man.
The first and greatest commandment is " Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength "
---M on 9/3/15


Although our two sons are now men and no longer little boys, I want to raise an alert. The world is feminizing our little boys and teaching little girls to be more masculine. Our culture is blurring the lines between genders and showering scorn on those that hold to the way God designed us to be man and woman. Clothing design, mainstream media, campus housing, marriage, and sports are only a few areas in which we see this happening.
---deep100 on 9/3/15


\\No not enough, because I don't think Jesus would suggest women wearing men's clothes and men wearing women's clothes.
\\

During the Savior's earthly sojourn, men and women wore similar clothes.

And in some cultures, the traditional clothing for women is trousers, while men wear skirts.

Henry never explained why his masculinity was threatened by his baby boy wearing pink. I wonder why?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/15




Proverbs 22:

6 "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."
15 "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child, but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."
28 "Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set."
---Nana on 7/6/15


Ok, so let your infant boy wear pink. He'll grow liking pink because that is how you trained up your child. Why are you training your child to get bullied by what they wear in society. Sure, God looks at one's heart, but man still looks on the outside. While girls can wear all colors including blue, pink on guys is still associated with feminism and being gay. And you think today is tough on teens wait a few more years when things get even worse.

It's best to train up your male child to like moderate colors, earthly colors.
---Steveng on 7/5/15


No not enough, because I don't think Jesus would suggest women wearing men's clothes and men wearing women's clothes.

That verse only means don't worry if you have enough of the RIGHT clothes to wear.

I think if a man came to me cold and asking for clothes, if gave him a pink dress to wear it would be a sin on my part.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/4/15


Jesus said, "Don't ask yourselves, 'What shall we eat, or what shall we drink, OR WHAT SHALL WE WEAR?'"

Enough said?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/4/15


In my culture, pink is always a preferred color for men and women. Our skin color is such that it is very becoming. Putting a child in pink clothing means nothing.---richa8957 on 6/29/15

Not in my father's culture.
They get very upset if you put their baby boy in pink.
They want them to act like a man at the age 2.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/30/15


In my culture, pink is always a preferred color for men and women. Our skin color is such that it is very becoming. Putting a child in pink clothing means nothing.

Richa,
The Born Again Buddhist,
Saved by the grace of God,
and totally in love with Jesus!
---richa8957 on 6/29/15


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Jed:

You said: StrongAxe, the behaviors you described are a result of conditioning, not genetics. If a woman acts like a brute or a man acts like a fruit loop, it is because their environment fostered or allowed that behavior.

While conditioning can influence it, statistics is much more of a factor. Two parents can have four daughters, and some will be more feminine than others, because we're not all clones. While the bell curve for masculine/feminine behavior is weighted more towards masculinity for men, and more towards femininity for women (which is how they get their names), the two do overlap.

I mentioned only strength, because the 125 word limit enforces brevity.
---StrongAxe on 6/22/15


StrongAxe, the behaviors you described are a result of conditioning, not genetics. If a woman acts like a brute or a man acts like a fruit loop, it is because their environment fostered or allowed that behavior.

Physically men are typically stronger than women. But, as you pointed out, anomalies exist in everything. But physical strength really has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity. A physically small and weak man can be very masculine while large, strong women can be appropriately feminine. And of course, even big strong men can be conditioned to act feminine and vice versa.
---Jed on 6/22/15


Jed:

You wrote: That is the unfortunate result of this very same behavior we are discussing now.

That is not what I mean. In natural human development, there is a wide spectrum of characteristics. Some women are more feminine, some less. Some men are more masculine, some less. Women in general are more feminine than men are, but we both possess the genes for both behaviors. Men can cry (Jesus wept). Women can fight. The other way around is more common, but we're both capable of both.

As I said in another blog, the same applies to physical things. Men are stronger than women on average, but some women are stronger than some men. We aren't all clones of two prototypes.
---StrongAxe on 6/21/15


It works if he is wearing a charcoal colored suit, especially with the right tie. If you are opposed to his wearing roseate footed pajamas though, yours would be the final opinion on the matter. If you do this *1, she does this *2, and you both consider this *3, your family would probably be quite a bright light in your neighborhood.
*1 1Corinthians 7:33, Ephesians 5:25-29, 31, 33, Colossians 3:19, 1Timothy 5:8, 1Peter 3:7.
*2 1Corinthians 11:3-10, 13, 15-16, 14:34-35, Ephesians 5:22-24, 33, Colossians 3:18, 1Timothy 2:11-14, Titus 2:5, 1Peter 3:1-2, 5-6.
*3 Proverbs 22:6, 29:15, 17, Psalm 127:3-5, Ephesians 6:1-4, Colossians 3:20-21, Hebrews 12:9.
---Glenn on 6/20/15


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"While personality traits may have gender-dependent trends, these are not rigidly defined. Not all men are brutes, not all women are flowers."

That is the unfortunate result of this very same behavior we are discussing now. Unfortunately, some children are brought up in a confusing environment, where boys are feminized and vice versa. The end result is confusion. This is the same reason some individuals develop an unnatural attraction to the same gender. No one is created that way by God. Those feelings must be taught, encouraged, and fostered by their environment or culture. As a fellow Christian, I hope you would agree that the feminization of our sons is a shameful abomination.
---Jed on 6/20/15


Jed, instead of "not allowing" his wife to dress the baby in pink, how about if he has a rational discussion with her about it? Honey still attracts more flies than vinegar! :)
---Mary on 6/20/15


I had a strange experience where I live this week.

A person with grey curly hair came down into the lobby wearing a blue dress.

I just couldn't figure out if this person was a man or woman based on the color worn.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/20/15


Cluny you asked what liking the blue and green made you and it seems you are a Nature man. The Blue of the sky and the green of the trees and plants. I'm just kidding of course but colors do reflect our personalities. Blue is my favorite color for whatever reason but to me it is a calming,soothing color. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/20/15


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StrongAxe, given the nature of the original question, I think it's safe to infer that the poster lives in a culture where pink is considered feminine. So your reference to other countries or cultures where pink clothing may not be feminine is irrelevant to this conversation. The simple answer is that he should not allow his wife to dress his son in feminine clothing. If he feels the pink clothing is feminine (obviously he does), then it is wrong.
---Jed on 6/19/15


Hi all, I agree personally that baby boys probably shouldn't wear a lot of pink--they will be confused for girls lol, but as a breast cancer survivor, I LOVE t-shirts like "tough guys wear pink"!! :) I don't see them as unmasculine--just totally supportive of their loved ones. :)
---Mary on 6/19/15


My mother was born around 1905 and if you look back then little boys wore dresses. My Mother being frugal had be wear my older sisters clothes until I out grew them.

My wife has bought me pink shirts which I wore.

My daughter hates pink.

Colors are supposed to sometimes affect moods. But even that is debatable.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/19/15


James said, "2. What is the need to look on the internet when we can all look to Scripture to resolve the question that has been asked of us?"

Scripture is a great place to look first, but to just spout Scripture without due diligence is not enough. No, I am not saying that God is not enough. He is. However, we need our minds to be trained in how to understand His Word, or else we run into false or faulty teaching that degrades the Word.

There is no mention of computers, automobiles, record players, 8-track tape players, or a lot of stuff that existed in the 20th century that did not exist in the 1st century. Use a little bit of the Brain God gave you.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 6/19/15


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\\Psychologically colors do reveal and convey personalities, messages, and representations.\\

I have been wearing tan scrubs a lot in the southwest heat. I also have a preference for blue and green.

What does this say about my personality?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/19/15


StrongAxe,

You said: Pay attention to what Jed said because it is exactly my point according to Scripture.
Jed said: some verses are indeed dependent on cultural norms
Exactly. Cultures vary depending on time and place - e.g. in the west, white is the color of purity, while in Asia, it is the color of death.

The bible speaks to every issue of life (explicitly and implicitly)
What does it say about automobiles, computers, and blogs?

Psychologically colors do reveal and convey personalities, messages, and representations.
While personality traits may have gender-dependent trends, these are not rigidly defined. Not all men are brutes, not all women are flowers.
---StrongAxe on 6/18/15


StrongAxe,

1. Pay attention to what Jed said because it is exactly my point according to Scripture.

2. The bible speaks to every issue of life (explicitly and implicitly) so it is a mistake to say yes the bible speaks in this area on an issue and no in this area on an issue see Deuteronomy 22:5, Genesis 2:15-25, 1 Peter 3:1-7, 1 Timothy 2:9-10, and 1 Corinthians 11:1-15.

3. Psychologically colors do reveal and convey personalities, messages, and representations.

4. Recommended book Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood by John Piper.

I appreciate dialog with each one.

May Yahweh guide each one to his truth and freedom,
---james_1&5 on 6/18/15


james_165:

You said: Have you paid any attention to the scriptures that have been provided on this blog.

They mention "clothing pertaining to a woman", NOTHING about "pink". As I said, colors and styles are very culture dependent, and change from decade to decade. These are whims of men, NOT invariant commandments of God.

What is the need to look on the internet when we can all look to Scripture to resolve the question that has been asked of us?

scripture never prohibits clothing color.

God is the one who has a problem with a boy wearing pink not me.

You are taking our own cultural preferences, and shoving them into the mouth of God - a very unwise thing to do.
---StrongAxe on 6/17/15


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This is a similar argument to 'is it wrong for women to wear trousers?' Many things are cultural. In hot sandy desert areas men and women dress very similarly yet they are still different. In the western world, now, most adults wear trousers yet those trousers are different for the different genders. Fashion changes gradually over long periods and it 'might', in time, do so for babies but, right now, pretty pink dresses are traditionally for girls and smart blue romper suits for boys. If your wife finds blue boring I suggest virtually any colour which is not close to PINK. There are quite a lot from which to choose.
---Rita_H on 6/18/15


I can see James' point to an extent. You have to read the Bible with some God-given common sense. While the bible does not say specifically "boys shall not wear pink", some verses are indeed dependent on cultural norms, specifically scriptures about cross-dressing. The Bible is clear that crossing cultural norms to create gender confusion or defy norms for gender identity is a sin. So if the cultural norm is that pink identifies a baby girl and blue identifies a baby boy, then we can intelligently conclude that yes, the Bible does indeed say that it is wrong to dress boys in pink, even if it doesn't use those exact words.
---Jed on 6/18/15


"Wow, James, you must really have a problem with a boy wearing pink." "There is no command from God that says, "Boys must wear blue and girls must wear pink."

1. Have you paid any attention to the scriptures that have been provided on this blog.

2. What is the need to look on the internet when we can all look to Scripture to resolve the question that has been asked of us?

3. God is the one who has a problem with a boy wearing pink not me. God is the creator and has every right to tell his creation what pleases or displeases him.

4. If you are arguing Social Construction on this matter then wouldn't marriage be a construction as well?
---james_1&5 on 6/17/15


I agree with James. I am a woman and It bothers me.
This Country has set colors for babies a long time ago.

Men look okay with a pink shirt or tie, but not pants.

No reason to put a baby boy in pink clothes except for trying to make a statement. But using your own son in doing so in the process is wrong.

Put a baby boy in a pink outfit and someone is going to assume he is a girl because baby girl usually don't have hair.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/17/15


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\\"james, please give BVC where God forbade boys to wear pink."

1. See Deuteronomy 22:5, 1 Timothy 2:9-10, 1 Peter 3:1-7.\\

None of these verses say "pink" or "blue."

In fact, the word "pink" occurs NOWHERE in the KJV.

Why did you tell a lie about the Bible to try to prove your point?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/15


Maybe your wife just thinks babies look cute in pink.

Do you feel that your masculinity is threatened by pink diapers or onesies?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/15


James said, "2. Putting a boy in pink is a Direct Violation of this command."

Wow, James, you must really have a problem with a boy wearing pink. There is no command from God that says, "Boys must wear blue and girls must wear pink." And if you have such a command in your Bible, then you need to get a new, different Bible.

A boy in blue and/or a girl in pink is a social convention that happened just after World War 1. Before that, boys wore pink, and girls wore blue. Look around on the internet, and you'll see!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 6/17/15


In response to strongaxe and cluny:

"This would follow if there were a commandment that said thou shalt not wear pink, but there isn't."

"james, please give BVC where God forbade boys to wear pink."

1. See Deuteronomy 22:5, 1 Timothy 2:9-10, 1 Peter 3:1-7.

2. God has always commanded the separation of the sexes see Genesis 1:27, 2:15-25, 3:1-20, Ephesians 5:20-25, Deuteronomy 22:5, and 1 Corinthians 11:1-15.

3. Colors are marks of identification and communication (Nonverbal Messages)

4. God commands Real true Christians every where in any culture to reject the blurring of the line of Demarcation of the sexes be that clothing, language, behavior, etc..
---james_1&5 on 6/17/15


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james15:

You said: 1. God has set out different dress for each gender see Deuteronomy 22:5 and 1 Timothy 2:9-10.

2. Putting a boy in pink is a Direct Violation of this command.


This would follow if there were a commandment that said thou shalt not wear pink, but there isn't. Choice of color and style are very culture-dependent. In the west, a white dress is a sign of purity, but in Asia, it is a sign of death. 200 years ago, men wore long hair (and rich ones wore wigs to ensure it). 50 years ago, they didn't. Now again it is more common. Styles change with time and place.

It is a mistake to mistake the transient whims of popular culture as directives directly from God.
---StrongAxe on 6/17/15


The problem here is not with the color pink. The concern is that your wife is trying to feminize your son or steer him towards some type of gender confusion mindset. If that is the case then she is definitely wrong to do that. As an infant, your son does not care and doesnt know that pink is feminine. But when he gets older, he may be confused if your wife continues to try to steer your son towards dress and activities that are typically feminine. As the father, the child belongs to you also amd you have a right to put a stop to this non-sense. And as a Christian, you have a responsibility to do so.
---Jed on 6/17/15


\\2. Putting a boy in pink is a Direct Violation of this command.\\

james, please give BVC where God forbade boys to wear pink.

I've noticed that people from India have a penchant for pink. The pre-Reformation clergy there even wear pink vestments.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/15


I remember several (?) years ago that a friend of mine wore a hot pink dress shirt. He also had a spectacular suit in charcoal, with a very thin red pinstripe. It didn't faze him at all about wearing pink.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 6/17/15


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interesting and thought provoking question:

1. God has set out different dress for each gender see Deuteronomy 22:5 and 1 Timothy 2:9-10.

2. Putting a boy in pink is a Direct Violation of this command.

3. To violate God's Command is also to violate our neighbor in this case it would be putting an Infant Boy in pink see Matthew 22:37-40 Also see Proverbs 22:6 and Ephesians 6:4.

4. Always remember God wants men to be men and women to be women from the inside out. Anything other than this is sin...
---james15 on 6/17/15


Just ask your wife not (please) to put pink on your son.
Because it makes you uncomfortable. He is your son as well.
But I don't think it matters if you are a Christian or not.
I think non-Christian men have the same problem.

Your wife should listen to you if you explain it to her calmly.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/16/15


When I was growing up (in the 50s and 60s), in American culture, at least, blue and pink were the "stereotypical" colors for baby boys and girls, respectively. But clothing styles and colors are very fluid and culture-dependent, and things are much less rigid today.

Green diapers wouldn't make yur child genderless. I personally prefer blue, but I had owned two pink shirts and one pink tie a one point in my life. That doesn't mean anything.
---StrongAxe on 6/16/15


In early history boys were put in pink and girls wore blue. A color doesn't make a gender. My daddy wore dresses until toddler age or a little more and he wasn't girlish. The main thing is to find out why she wants pink on a boy. If its only as a baby it may be harmless but think of what that boy will say when he gets to the teens,he may be screaming why did you put pink on me because he is aware boys usually wear blue. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/16/15


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Well, in the culture that I am involved in mostly, it seems pink clothing is meant to communicate that a child is a girl. So, if is good to communicate correctly.

And if a lady is not a Christian and wants to change the "sex" of her baby or something like this, this would not be scriptural.

But, in case you are a Jesus person and in case your wife really insists, I think we guys need to be a good examples of not bossing our wives >

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

But, yes, make an issue if something is wrong. That is for you to make sure about, in prayer.
---Bill on 6/16/15


Why not? There is no Biblical or secular legislation saying this should not be done.

Infants are usually rather rosy anyway, right?

My grandfather died at the age of 101 plus. Pink was definitely his color.

BTW, I hope your wife is Christian.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/15/15


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