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Bibllical Punishment For Murder

What should the Bible authorized punishment be for people who are convicted of crimes involving the wrongful taking of innocent lives in the USA?

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Leviticus 20 lists many reasons for the death penalty in Israel. Not just murder. Interestingly both Moses and Paul took innocent lives, but at the time felt justified to do so. Yet we see God forgave them. Jesus stopped the woman taken in sin from being stoned to death, which was what the Biblical authorized punishment required.

It's wrong to take innocent lives no matter where you live. But if you want a list of Biblical authorized reasons for the death penalty, then ALL of Leviticus must be enforced. Why single out murder?
---kathr4453 on 5/27/16


The Biblical authorized punishment we see was given to Israel under a Theocracy. Did it also apply to the other gentile nations? I don't see Israel forcing the law of Moses on other Gentile nations. America is a Gentile nation. And the law of the death penalty is a state issue, not a government mandate from Washington DC. We now see States are loosing their states rights. Some of the Government laws being passed now make me smh. And some of the state laws also make me smh. Several years ago a man in Colorado got 6 months and a hundred dollar fine for killing his wife, because his dinner was late.
---kathr4453 on 5/26/16


'Axe: You're trying waaaay too hard. The point is NO ONE escapes God's judgment regardless of what happens on earth. Sin doesn't go unpunished!!!
---Leon on 5/25/16


Leon:

Consider the related question: "What should be the Bible authorized punishment for the people who commit murder but are NOT convicted?"

If the answer is the same as for your blog question, the words "are convicted of" are irrelevant and confuse the issue.

If the answer is DIFFERENT, it implies that God's justice depends on the imperfections of the American judicial system and the partiality of juries.

How would you answer it?
---StrongAxe on 5/25/16


"TEKEL, Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting." (Dan. 5:27)

'Axe: People are legally "convicted" in a court of law & thereby become "convicts" after they've been judged & found to be guilty. God's law is for everyone who is guilty of, not just certain, but ALL crimes.
---Leon on 5/23/16




Leon:

You wrote: 'Axe: My, my! You're prickly today, huh? You habitually read too much into a question. Relax! All I "want" is to engage in a non-argumentative discussion & exchange points of view. :)

I'm not prickly, just trying to be precise. It's hard to discuss a subject when one doesn't know what the subject really is.

Everything we do is ultimately about God's law. He gets the final say!

True, but in that case, why did you mention "convicted" or "in the USA"? How do those relate to the subject, because God's law is for people who are guilty of certain crimes, not FOUND guilty, and it applies to all countries, not just one.
---StrongAxe on 5/23/16


///...The...question, as written, [isn't] clear about...what...you want. You said "what SHOULD...be", not "What IS..." - implying... the [existing] punishment [isn't] what it should be...the blog question [isn't] about God's Law...God's law is what it is, period. Arguing [?!] about what God's law "should be" is arguing with God.[???]...If you already had the answer, why bother asking the question?---StrongAxe on 5/22/16///

'Axe: My, my! You're prickly today, huh? You habitually read too much into a question. Relax! All I "want" is to engage in a non-argumentative discussion & exchange points of view. :)

Everything we do is ultimately about God's law. He gets the final say!
---Leon on 5/22/16


Leon:

I am being completely honest. The blog question, as written, is not clear about just what exactly you want. You said "what SHOULD ... be", not "What IS..." - implying that that the punishment that exists is not what it should be. So the blog question is clearly NOT about God's Law, because God's law is what it is, period. Arguing about what God's law "should be" is arguing with God.

This is about US law (since you said "convicted of" and "in the USA"), and US law is determined by the Constitution, and not scripture.

Here's the answer to the question:

If you already had the answer, why bother asking the question?
---StrongAxe on 5/22/16


Be honest 'Axe. The problem is not how I worded the original blog question. Rather, you just didn't like how I responded to you 5/20. :)

Here's the answer to the question:

"Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image." (G9:6, ESV)
---Leon on 5/21/16


Leon:

The blog question, as written, is a legal question, so it requires a legal answer.

People who die are still subject to God's law, but no longer subject to U.S. law, so their fate is no longer relevant to the subject of the blog.

The laws of God are the same regardless of place or jurisdiction, so they apply to murder the same, regardless of whether the murderer is convicted or not, or whether he is in the U.S. or not. By placing both stipulations in the blog question, you are explicitly stating that you are specifically interested in the laws of the land on this issue. If that is not what you want, you worded the blog question incorrectly.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/16




Thank you for your opinion Justice 'Axe. You do know people who die in their sins, whether in the USA or elsewhere in the world, are no longer subject to the laws of the land but are subject to God's white throne judgment. This blog is a think outside the box exercise only for those willing or capable of doing so.
---Leon on 5/20/16


Leon:

The blog question is moot.

"What should the Bible authorized punishment be?" - Irrelevant. It IS what it is (i.e. death by stoning, in the OT). Arguing what it "should be" is an exercise in wishful thinking.

"Bible authorized punishment... in the USA" is also irrelevant, since the constitution expressly forbids government imposition of religion, so any legal argument along the lines of "this law should be XYZ, BECAUSE the Bible demands that" is automatically unconstitutional on its face - it must have some OTHER justification as well (e.g. prohibition of murder is necessary in any just society).
---StrongAxe on 5/20/16


Mark this is true and they must ask forgiveness of the victim and confess. You stated the verse correctly but I was paraphrasing. And all men must follow man's law as long as it's just.But I still stick by my belief. and if they so happen not to abide by those verses then the Lord will deal with him on Judgement Day
---Lee on 5/19/16


so we can repent and our sins will be washed clean... ---Lee on 5/19/16

I feel differently than you do.

I see the Scripture says:

1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

Confess is the important word for me in this verse.

If I confess my sin to God, He will forgive me and my sin will be washed clean before Him.

But what about the people hurt during my crime? I must confess my sin to the those I have sinned against and be willing to accept either their forgiveness or their wrath.

And, I must also willingly accept the civil consequences of that sin.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/19/16


I used to believe in capital punishment. But after being born again I realized even in those situations it's not for us to take another human's life even if it's state-sanctioned. Life in prison actually worse. And in God's eyes no sin is different and so we can repent and our sins will be washed clean. So if that condemned man repented he is innocent in the Lord's eyes and if he did not repent he will burn in the Lake of Fire. but this is for us not to judge his heart the Lord will do that.
---Lee on 5/19/16


\\What should the Bible authorized punishment be for people who are convicted of crimes involving the wrongful taking of innocent lives in the USA?
---Leon on 7/6/15
\\

Why did you ask this same question on the blog you started, Leon?

Remember that Jesus gave the qualifications for the executioners in John 8.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/12/15


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What should the Bible authorized punishment be for people who are convicted of crimes involving the wrongful taking of innocent lives in the USA?
---Leon on 7/6/15


Correct Leon Scripture alone is proof.

I didn't offer the White quote as proof of anything. I just asked what you thought about it.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/6/15


///Leon. Nice supposition but no proof.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We cannot answer the charges of Satan against us. Christ alone can make an effectual pea in our behalf. He is able to silence the accuser with argument not upon our merits but on his own. Lift Him up Page 234 E.G. White

What do you think of this statement?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/4/15///

Samuel: All of Scripture is proof, believe it or not. Regarding E.G. White, I'd rather go with what the Bible says.
---Leon on 7/4/15


Leon. Nice supposition but no proof.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We cannot answer the charges of Satan against us. Christ alone can make an effectual pea in our behalf. He is able to silence the accuser with argument not upon our merits but on his own. Lift Him up Page 234 E.G. White

What do you think of this statement?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/4/15


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--Continued-- Samuel: Many of us, thru the shed blood of Jesus Christ, have chosen to repent & pay undying respect to God in this life. The excruciating punishment (torment, torture) was thereby placed upon Jesus for our sake, so we could be saved/purified "without" receiving the horrible punishment for our sins. Yet multi-millions of other unrepentant souls, when they depart life on Earth (die), will ultimately be made to bow the knee in the excruciating, agonizingly hot (torturous) yet smelting/purifying flames in the Lake of Fire.

As the saying goes, "Pay now or pay later!" Do it the easy or the hard way. All that belongs to God, sooner or later, will pay respect to Him & be reclaimed!

Agape!!!
---Leon on 7/3/15


Samuel: Adam was made, by God, in His image. God breathed His Life into the dust of the ground (man) & man became a living soul.

We're much more than "dirt" Samuel. Life is God, golden (precious beyond measure)! Apart from the Life infusing breath of God we'd be nothing but dust. But, from the beginning, God made man an extension of Himself, i.e., "ADD I AM". Adam's sin corrupted God's holiness. Only Holy God could restore ALL of humanity to Himself. That's what the Bible teaches from Genesis - Revelation.

--continued--
---Leon on 7/3/15


A Soul who has turned to GOD is golden by Grace alone.

But we are dirt and if people choose to live like animals and not follow GOD there is nothing but dross which will be burned up in the lake of fire.

This doctrine is called Conditionalism. See Edward Fudge.

Most churches teach that both Hell and the LOF are places of torture.

"Since Augustine, Christians have believed that the souls of ... or are afflicted, in the case of the damned, after death until the resurrection." Wikipeida

By afflicted is to be placed in fire.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/3/15


Micha: Hell isn't the place of torturing. It's the holding pen where convicts (unrepentant sinners) await & lament over their pending execution in the Lake of Fire. While in hell they anguish & have tormentous regrets of not repenting & believing in Jesus. They clearly know God's just & holy torture (consuming fire) lies ahead of them.

The LOF is where the second death (execution) occurs, where God kills (purges) the resident evil (filth) out of & "reclaims wayward lost souls". The procedure is very much like smelting, the "burning off" of the impurities out of gold. The gold remains (is recovered), but the impurities are destroyed. Think of "living souls" as imperishable gold.
---Leon on 7/2/15


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I don't see God torturing anyone in those passages.
The demons know he is able.
Most others just show "the weeping and gnashing of teeth", i.e. regret and disdain.
The Luke passage shows it best:
"There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out."
He is no more torturing them than law enforcement is by incarcerating someone.
Weeping and gnashing of teeth is present in prisons, either regret or disdain usually occurs to everyone.
---micha9344 on 7/2/15


///Samuel: God isn't a sadist. He tortures no one!
---Leon on 6/29/15///

Aservant: I stand by what I said & believe it's in total agreement with & understanding of what Jesus said in the verses you cited.

Repetitive content, as you've shown, is very good. But Scripture linked understanding is better.

All Scripture shows God doesn't enjoy consuming the dead works (sludge: FILTH) of the flesh of unrepentant, sinful people. But, it's absolutely necessary because He is holy! God's ultimate punishment of unrepentant souls, who die in their sins, is the most severest imaginable, but nonetheless JUST. Souls at the receiving end of God's wrath, getting their behinds fired up, more than deserve it!
---Leon on 7/2/15


///We...Christians are... tried as GO[L]D in fire to eliminate our impure... actions...---Samuelbb7 on 7/1/15///

Samuel: "Grace is what we get though we don't deserve it. Mercy is what we get though we deserve far less." In hell & the LOF there's neither Grace nor Mercy. Yes, we are tried as "gold". "ALL" souls are just that precious to God.

1.) Because of our sin, JESUS SUFFERED death, hell & the grave to reclaim us to Himself. In this life believer's faith is tested in God's fire. Because of the saving grace of Jesus we are free of hell's torment. JESUS SUFFERED IT FOR US.

2.) LOST SOULS SUFFER FOR THEIR SINS in hell & the LOF because of unbelief in Jesus...
---Leon on 7/2/15


Samuel: God isn't a sadist. He tortures no one!
---Leon on 6/29/15


Read Mk 5:7

The following are words of Jesus:

Mat_8:12
Mat_13:42
Mat_13:50
Mat_22:13
Mat_24:51
Mat_25:30
Luk_13:28
---aservant on 7/2/15


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Correct aservent. My mistake.

No the Gold is not destroyed. The Impurities either burn off or rise to the top so they can be skimmed off.

We as Christians are often tried as GOD in fire to eliminate our impure thoughts and actions.

GOD wants us to live for Him. Not live for ourselves. To Love GOD and to love all people on earth.

AGape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/1/15


Samuel: I commend your Berean approach to studying Scripture. I'm however curious as to what you & the others believe concerning gold that is put into a firey furnace to completely burn out the impurities. In the purification process, is the gold destroyed along with the sludge (muck & mire: filth)? If not, why?
---Leon on 7/1/15


Aservent. The Bible has execution by stoning. Crucifixion was from the Roman Empire.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/30/15


The question was about BIBLICAL punishment, not just Jewish punishment, which also included hanging, fire, and sword.
---aservant on 7/1/15


Not on my own Leon. I and others have studied and read the Bible. We have read the writings of other Bible scholars down though the ages. We compare scripture with scripture and look to see the context.

I have discussed what happens after death with many people. None have shown that what I read in the Bible is false. I actually read and explain the verses they use and what they mean. While they ignore the Bible verses pointed too.

Peace and Grace be unto you.

agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/1/15


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Well Samuel, I guess you've got God figured out then. Peace! :)
---Leon on 6/30/15


Aservent. The Bible has execution by stoning. Crucifixion was from the Roman Empire.

Leon I have heard this before. That all will eventually be let into heaven because of being tortured into being good. Yes that is like the villains you mentioned.

GOD executes judgment on evil. The wicked die and cease to exist. Which the verses I posted show. There are more then the three I last posted.

I must explain Rev. 20:10 but you forgot vs 9 where is says the wicked are devoured. Which leads to non-existence.

Forever in Greek has three meanings. One of which is for a time period. That meaning makes the verses match and not contradict each other like you do.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/30/15


This damnationist god y'all believe in seems more like Herod the Great or some Mongol khan.
---learner2 on 6/29/15


I stand corrected Samuel. Hell is a place of torment (grievous regrets). The LOF is definitely a place of torture. Yet, I think you're assuming because fire burns, anyone in it will be consumed to ashes. Yes, Rev. 20:10 says everyone thrown into the LOF will be tormented (tortured, pained) day & night, forever & ever. That sounds to me like a purging of evil by a purifying process like severely spanking a bad child.

I remember on occasion, my dad saying, "Boy, I'm going to beat the devil out of you." & that's exactly what he did, & I was all the better for it because he loved me enough to reclaim my obedience for my own good.

Again, God is not a sadist. He punishes rebels in the LOF for their own good.
---Leon on 6/29/15


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---Leon on 6/20/15

The Biblical methods of executing one's flesh included these: crucifixion, stoning, hanging, fire, sword. Because of Jesus' shedding of Blood, the Spiritual aspect of a capital crime can be repented of, forgiven by God, and the offender restored to His Kingdom. See repentant thief.

I doubt God opposes lethal injection, because it does accomplish execution. But God's methods did not intend to minimize pain and suffering. His stated intention was to cause others to fear to disobey Him. For this reason, it seems God prefers public execution, that it may deter others.
---aservant on 6/29/15


Leon being kept alive by GOD in a lake of eternal fire is torture.

So where are the wicked promised eternal life?

I can read in the Bible that they are to die, be destroyed and be ashes under our feet. We are give Eternal life by GOD. See Conditionalism.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Malachi 4:3
And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/29/15


If there is a hell, nobody chooses to go there. Everyone goes against their own will. It is just silly to say that people choose to go to hell.
---learner2 on 6/29/15


///...I agree that we choose to follow GOD or not. The wages of sin is death. Not eternal life in torture...
---Samuelbb7 on 6/29/15///

Samuel: God isn't a sadist. He tortures no one! God justly punishes those who reject Him & thereby choose to go to hell, by their own volition when they die. Subsequently, they're judged by God & casted into the Lake of Fire. God is Life! Apart from Him our lives have no purpose, are useless... Persons who die & are eternally separated from Life in God find themselves in a state of mental (soul) agony as they finally, only too late, realize their folly. Like the rich man in hell, minds (lost souls) are tormented with "if only I'd" thoughts forever in the supermax LOF.
---Leon on 6/29/15


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3 verses down...

But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall NOT die.

Ezekiel 18:21
---learner2 on 6/28/15


Do you, aservant?

How do you know?

Don't forget the Bible says your heart is deceitful and wicked above all things.


Yes. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
---aservant on 6/29/15


Explain why you believe what I said is out of context Cluny.
---Leon on 6/29/15


Leon While I agree that we choose to follow GOD or not.

The wages of sin is death. Not eternal life in torture.

Cluny how does the context change the meaning? I do not see that.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/29/15


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\\ Cluny: The soul that sins shall surely die! God\\

Please read the context of these words.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/28/15


Cluny: The soul that sins shall surely die! God made that plain to Adam in Genesis 2. The highest punishment is capital punishment (death) as authorized by God. Hell is the holding facility for lost souls who die in their sins.

Praying for Tsarnaev's (or anyone else's) repentance & conversion is what Christians should do Cluny. However, making a conscious choice to be born again is an individual's opportunity while one yet has breath in their body. BUT, choosing to die in one's sins without being saved is suicidal & consequentially self-imposed capital punishment (death sentence) for refusing God's sovereignty. Dead souls are held in hell until such time as they're transferred to the super max Lake of Fire forever.
---Leon on 6/28/15


\\Only those He has rejected do not have His Spirit.
---aservant on 6/24/15\\

Do you, aservant?

How do you know?

Don't forget the Bible says your heart is deceitful and wicked above all things.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/28/15


Yes, but we have the freedom to accept that yoke, or rejected it - and most reject it. There are some negative consequences to bearing a yoke

(i.e. we give up some freedom and aren't totally free to do whatever we please), but the consequences of being consigned to the outer chaos are much worse.
---StrongAxe on 6/24/15


Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes . . .

Rom 8:9 . . . Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

If God's Spirit is residing in you, that Spirit will cause you to yoke yourself to Jesus. Only those He has rejected do not have His Spirit.
---aservant on 6/24/15


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\\L2: Jesus said, "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matt. 28:10, NIV)

I don't know about you, but that sounds like capital punishment to me!\\

Capital punishment doesn't extend to hell in Christian thought, though ISIS might think so.

FWIW, when Dzokhar Tsarnaev was sentenced today, I prayed that God would have mercy upon him, and that he would repent and be converted.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/15


Leon:

You said 'Axe: Is there really such a thing as "mere capital punishment". Capital punishment culminates in death & is terminal, forever. Death, apart from being born again, will insure people a place in hell as well as the Lake of Fire, eternally!

This is PRECISELY why Jesus made that specific distinction in that scripture. He distinguishes between mere moral, finite death and spiritual eternal death. One we should fear. The other we should not.
---StrongAxe on 6/25/15


aservent I did not mean no punishment no cost.

I meant we make our own decisions and must pay the penalty of choosing hate over love and selfishness over caring. The wicked die in the lake of fire. While the righteous receive eternal life in heaven.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Do you obey all of the Ten Commandments or only nine?

Leon the wicked die the second death in the lake of fire.

Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/25/15


'Axe: Is there really such a thing as "mere capital punishment". Capital punishment culminates in death & is terminal, forever. Death, apart from being born again, will insure people a place in hell as well as the Lake of Fire, eternally!
---Leon on 6/24/15


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Bad proofing. Sorry.

should have said Spiritual leash.
---aservant on 6/24/15


aservant:

You said: Being yoked to Jesus is a Spiritual lease to control our behavior.

Yes, but we have the freedom to accept that yoke, or rejected it - and most reject it. There are some negative consequences to bearing a yoke (i.e. we give up some freedom and aren't totally free to do whatever we please), but the consequences of being consigned to the outer chaos are much worse.
---StrongAxe on 6/24/15


We are given free will by GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/23/15


Free (no cost, no punishment) will does not exist regarding behavior. There is no will of man that God cannot overcome - see Pharaoh. God punishes evil behavior - it is not "free".

Freewill in the Bible is mentioned 17 times: each mention is regarding offerings.

The 10 commandments (not suggestions), and yoking oneself to Jesus (Mt 11:19) do not pose visions of free (no cost, no punishment) behavior. Being yoked to Jesus is a Spiritual lease to control our behavior.
---aservant on 6/24/15


Leon, he was a violent man, I guess.
---learner2 on 6/24/15


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Leon:

You said: I don't know about you, but that sounds like capital punishment to me!

Capital punishment terminates the life, but then it ends (i.e. destroys the body, but not the soul). We are told not to fear this. Death has sometimes been called "paying the death that cancels all other debths". The second half of the verse extends the punishment even beyond death - this is MUCH worse than mere capital punishment, because its consequences are eternal.
---StrongAxe on 6/24/15


L2: Jesus said, "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell." (Matt. 28:10, NIV)

I don't know about you, but that sounds like capital punishment to me!
---Leon on 6/24/15


Context L2, in context...
---Leon on 6/23/15


The Gospels certainly strongly indicate that Jesus was all for capital punishment!
---learner2 on 6/23/15


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///...However, Paul does say, of secular authority people > "he is God's minister to you for good" > "he does not bear the sword in vain, for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil." (in Romans 13:1-7).
---Bill on 6/23/15///

BINGO Bill!!! That leaves open a pretty broad range of punishment options. The "sword" is an instrument of death. I believe it's a metaphor for many kinds of executions,(hanging, shooting, electric chair, gas chamber, decapitation, lethal injection, solitary confinement life in prison without possibility of parole)that can be used as capital punishment to "cut off" (separate) convicts from the land of the living.
---Leon on 6/23/15


///Leon, would "innocent lives" include the lives of the unborn?...---Bill on 6/22/15///

Of course Bill. No one escapes God's justice. He deals with men & women who carry out abortions (murders of innocent children) in other ways. Sometimes unrepentant women die during the act of murdering their unborn children. Many who don't die, after murdering their baby(ies), develop severe physical & even mental disorders. God has a way of punishing unrepentant people via a wide range of disasters (diseases, accidents, violent encounters) that ultimately terminates the lives of murderers. Unrepentant people go to hell FOREVER. How about that for capital punishment (the death penalty)?
---Leon on 6/23/15


Micha and StrongAx, what you say is clear. I think the word is showing how there are various ways to do what is deserving of death. And Jesus "might" say, "let the one without sin cast the first stone".

I would say ISIS is not an example of how God's way of capital punishment would work.

And, "of course", as ones say, in the United States we do not have a culture of people qualified to use the death penalty right.

However, Paul does say, of secular authority people > "he is God's minister to you for good" > "he does not bear the sword in vain, for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil." (in Romans 13:1-7).
---Bill on 6/23/15


Bill:

That is how it is in countries under Sharia right now, like Saudi Arabia and ISIS. Blasphemy will automatically get you killed, without a trial (even in Texas, where two gunmen tried to shoot up a cartoon exhibition, and in France, where some DID kill 12 staffers at Charlie Hebdo just for blasphemous cartoons). Just yesterday, ISIS executed two teenagers for violating the prohibition against eating during daylight hours on Ramadan.

Would you feel comfortable living under such a theocracy? I know I wouldn't. Who decides just how to interpret God's laws? I wouldn't trust your church to judge me based on their interpretation, any more than you should trust mine to judge you based on theirs.
---StrongAxe on 6/23/15


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We are given free will by GOD. This country is not a Theocracy. We as a people through our lies decide what crimes are punishable by death. We should also realize that unlike GOD we do not know everything and some prosecutors are crooked.

Therefore while the death penalty for murder is set by GOD. We don't have to do it that way.

In the system GOD set up there were no prisons. Something we have today.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/23/15


Bill, capital punishment for murder was commanded to Noah, long before the Mosaic Law came into play.
Just as all of Noah's descendants were/are to adhere to that command, so all of Jacob's descendants were to adhere to Mosaic Law.
We, as Christians, are not under Mosaic Law.
Gen 9:5-6 And surely your blood of your lives will I require, at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man, at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
Exo 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
Same God, similar command, different people.
---micha9344 on 6/23/15


Leon, would "innocent lives" include the lives of the unborn?

In the early scripture, there was execution for murder, kidnapping, lying that you are a virgin in order to fool a guy into marrying you, striking your parent, being a stubborn bum, and more.

But I understand that these were meant to be enforced in a culture where people knew God and had the example of godly people, so they knew what was right and not only what was wrong.

So - - - in the country where I am - - capital punishment for murder would be Biblical if it was accompanied by death for all the other capital offenses, I "guess" . . . including blasphemy and working on the Sabbath.
---Bill on 6/22/15


Very true Cliff. Thanks for saying so.
---Leon on 6/22/15


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Cluny, The cities of refuge was for the "unintentional" manslayer. Not the deliberate murderer!
---1st_cliff on 6/22/15


Leon, the same as for idolaters and adulterers.
---learner2 on 6/21/15


Have cities of refuge with an altar at which the man slayer can cling for protection.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/21/15


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