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Size Of Noah's Ark

What was the ark size that Noah built and how many animals could have fit on it with enough sustenance to survive a year?

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f my research is right, then Noah was twice our height(12-14'). A cubit for him would be 36" instead of 18" we use today. The ark would have been 950' long not 450'.
---michael on 8/25/15

Even if this is correct it still would take over 25 Arks to house all pairs of the known animals in a global flood. Add the specialized food for each pair. In a global saline water flood everything is dead...all plants animals etc. They ground, seeds, etc would be sterile. Even the animal life killed would be rotted to nothing. There is nothing for the meat eaters to eat but each other. Of which there is only two each. There is no grass, no trees no shrubbery. The flood was not global and scripture does not say it was.
---Trav on 9/9/15


That there have been giant humans on earth is an established fact. Just Google it. Many well-documented fossil remains, footprints, and implements of very large people have been found. The discovery of giant human bone fossils near Mt. Ararat strongly implies that ALL our ancestors were giants (who also lived over 900 years).

Pre-flood atmospheric oxygen content was also much higher (as evidenced by fossilized amber bubbles), which could account for the larger sizes of not only humans, but also reptiles and insects.


---jerry6593 on 9/4/15


A few notes on kind.
First used Gen 1:11. "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit AFTER HIS KIND, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."
The entire phrase after his kind is given Strongs H4327
miyn
kind, sometimes a species
from an unused root meaning to portion out, a sort, species kind. Compare H4480
Also
"Again,the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind"Mt 13:47
G1085 - genos
---chria9396 on 8/28/15


\\ Cluny, I do a lot of reading. There are many references to the antediluvians being larger. \\

In what, michael?

And who decided your sources were trustworthy?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/27/15


Rita_H:

You wrote: I didn't say he did Strongaxe. I started my comment (to someone else) using the word IF.

I didn't say you did. I also started using the word IF.
---StrongAxe on 8/26/15




Humans are not like certain fish or reptiles, that keep on growing with age or grow according to their environment.
Our height is genetic and is maxed out early in our lifespan.
Their were giants in those days and even prior, but I don't believe our common ancestor was one of them.
---micha9344 on 8/26/15


Cluny, I do a lot of reading. There are many references to the antediluvians being larger. You didn't think they were the same as us and lived 900 years, did you?
---michael on 8/26/15


Strongaxe 'Rita_H: If he didn't then there are only two possibilities a. all water creatures died and God created new ones later......

If God would have been willing to exterminate and re-create the fish, why would he have gone to all the trouble to preserve pairs of animals? Why not exterminate and re-create them as well?'

I didn't say he did Strongaxe. I started my comment (to someone else) using the word IF.
---Rita_H on 8/25/15


\\If my research is right, then Noah was twice our height(12-14'). A cubit for him would be 36" instead of 18" we use today. The ark would have been 950' long not 450'.\\

And where did you find this tidbit, michael?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/15


If my research is right, then Noah was twice our height(12-14'). A cubit for him would be 36" instead of 18" we use today. The ark would have been 950' long not 450'.
---michael on 8/25/15




Thanks Michael for that cogent explanation of "kinds". Maybe now Cluny will quit asking that same silly question. But I doubt it.


---jerry6593 on 8/23/15


/Which biological taxon (kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species) corresponds to the Biblical "kind"?\
-I remember someone asking this before, and I believe I answered it, but have not been able to find which thread.
-The answer is: The Biblical "kind" is most closely related to the Linnaean "family." Linnaean taxonomy is an 18th CAD design, so the 45th CBC "kinds" don't always fit neatly into it's new package. If one asks "what kind of animal is a lion", most would say "cat."
Those are the "kinds" of which the Bible speaks.
---micha9344 on 8/19/15


James_L:

You said: So large dinosaurs wouldn't have had to survive, only two of each type - which could have been very small

Why even that? Dinosaurs not being on the Ark, because they were already extinct, would be consistent with both Biblical and palentological records.


Rita_H: If he didn't then there are only two possibilities a. all water creatures died and God created new ones later

If God would have been willing to exterminate and re-create the fish, why would he have gone to all the trouble to preserve pairs of animals? Why not exterminate and re-create them as well?
---StrongAxe on 8/18/15


\\Also, only two of each KIND of animal.
---James_L on 7/24/15\\

I've asked this question before, but didn't get an answer.

Which biological taxon (kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, species) corresponds to the Biblical "kind"?

And if there already a distinction between clean and unclean food, why did God want unclean animals to be preserved?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/15


I just visited the Creation Museum near Cincinnati last week. Their contention is that young, small animals would have been on the ark.
Also, only two of each KIND of animal.
---James_L on 7/24/15

James, if you keep looking the answers are there. There are too many species even now to fit on an Ark. Even babies. It would have taken over 45 Arks. The Bible says the food for them also and seven of the clean type. Logistics are overwhelming for a Global flood. But, then the Bible never says Global. It gives the word "erets" used over 1,600 times as a country wide area.
Research known species today. Known insect species, plant, tree etc. Water pressure at over 5miles depth.
---Trav on 7/29/15


Do you think I am Cluny? I'm not, because Cluny is much more intelligent and logical than I am, and also I'm not a member of the Orthodox Church.
---learner2 on 7/27/15


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cluny: "Nope. Nor have I ever been, nor will I be."

Then why do you answer for him and refuse to answer for yourself?

As for blessing you, you're welcome. It is my pleasure to bless you with the truth. Too bad you won't receive it.


---jerry6593 on 7/28/15


\\1. Are you L2?\\

Nope. Nor have I ever been, nor will I be.

\\2. Your lies have been exposed for years. They are intentional and slanderous. The mistakes I may have made are unintentional. \\

Keep on blessing me and adding to my heavenly treasure, jerry. I just hope you don't bankrupt yourself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/26/15


Cluny:

1. Are you L2?

2. Your lies have been exposed for years. They are intentional and slanderous. The mistakes I may have made are unintentional.



---jerry6593 on 7/26/15


\\Much of what is printed here is not true. Why do you do it?


---jerry6593 on 7/25/15
\\

Yeah, jerry. Why DO you do it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/25/15


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L2: "When I was a kid in the 1950s I read in Moon Mullins that if it is printed it must be true. Why would somebody print something that wasn't true?"

Much of what is printed here is not true. Why do you do it?


---jerry6593 on 7/25/15


I just visited the Creation Museum near Cincinnati last week. Their contention is that young, small animals would have been on the ark.

Also, only two of each KIND of animal.

So large dinosaurs wouldn't have had to survive, only two of each type - which could have been very small
---James_L on 7/24/15


\\ Bill: What if the dinosaurs, that came aboard the ark, were really small (dog-horse sized)? \\

I've read that somewhere myself--that the average dinosaur was actually about the size of a sheep or pony.

The gigantic ones, however, have captured our cultural consciousness.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/23/15


Bill: What if the dinosaurs, that came aboard the ark, were really small (dog-horse sized)? After all, there were many types of dinos'.
---Leon on 7/23/15


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If he wanted dinosaurs on the ark, this could have been easy . . . just bring eggs. Except, it does say they came to him by two's. Eggs might not be able to roll very far (c:

But big dinosaur eggs could be more easy to store as food for predators.

I consider that if it did not rain before the flood, the whole earth could have been a steamy rain forest . . . before the post-flood four seasons began.

So, "things" were different, then. And the worldwide flood, shifting with moon-caused tidal currents, could have reshaped a thing or two, and helped to make the deep valleys of the oceans . . .
---Bill on 7/8/15


Micha " I was more wondering if many realize the sheer magnitude of it's size."

Yes, it was absolutely enormous which is why people should not say that God could not have everything on the ark which He wanted to be there. God can do ANYTHING and we should never argue with that.
---Rita_H on 6/30/15


Concerning the blog question, I was more wondering if many realize the sheer magnitude of it's size.
Can you relate it to something around you?
Plus, I was hoping to continue the discussion with StrongAxe from "Who Survived the Flood" blog.
---micha9344 on 6/29/15


/Fresh water creatures can't live in salt water and vice versa.\-Cluny on 6/28/15
Salmon, dolphins, eels, etc...
---micha9344 on 6/29/15


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What do you mean when you say the Bible is "true"?
---learner2 on 6/28/15


'Not necessarily. Fresh water creatures can't live in salt water and vice versa.'

I had a very strong feeling that you would say that when I was typing the question.

Personally I think that God would have worked that problem out first. If he didn't then there are only two possibilities a. all water creatures died and God created new ones later OR b. Noah's ark but have been even more enormous than we think it was to contain whales etc.
---Rita_H on 6/28/15


\\All water creatures should have been safe anyway. \\

Not necessarily. Fresh water creatures can't live in salt water and vice versa.

I remember the comic strip MOON MULLINS.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/28/15


Learner we know that many written things are not true. Fiction is for entertainment (I had to Google Moon Mullins to know what you referred to) and fact is for our edification.

If we cannot trust that the bible is true we might as well 'give up' now. Of course we know that parables are stories with a helpful meaning but it is still true that Jesus TOLD them because He wanted us to understand the meaning of them.

On the ark would have been all those things which could not survive the water which was to come. All water creatures should have been safe anyway. God would have preserved (on the ark) those He wished to preserve. He knew what He was doing and why He was doing it.
---Rita_H on 6/28/15


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When I was a kid in the 1950s I read in Moon Mullins that if it is printed it must be true. Why would somebody print something that wasn't true?
---learner2 on 6/27/15


learner2:

You wrote: StrongAxe, I read on the internet that dinosaurs were on Noah's ark. Do you think they were pulling my leg?

Do you believe everything you read on the internet (or in print)? Sadly, many people do.

I remember an episode of the Beverly Hillbillies, where Jetrho decided to become an astronaut. When Miss Jane asked him why, he said he read a comic book about Moon Maidens that lived on the moon, and he wanted to meet them. After all, they wouldn't print something in a comic book if it wasn't true!
---StrongAxe on 6/27/15


\\StrongAxe, I read on the internet that dinosaurs were on Noah's ark. Do you think they were pulling my leg?
---learner2 on 6/27/15\\

Of course, everything you read on the internet is always 100% true and trustworthy.

There are very few, if any, dinosaur fossils above the K/T layer, nor are there any in strata dating from the Deluge.

Glory to Jesus Christ!!
---Cluny on 6/27/15


StrongAxe, I read on the internet that dinosaurs were on Noah's ark. Do you think they were pulling my leg?
---learner2 on 6/27/15


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learner2:

You said: Big enough to hold a lot of dinosaurs.

What makes you think dinosaurs were on the ark? We know they are extinct now, and have been in the ground for a long time. Even according to new earth creationist theory, what's to stop them from having died out in the flood, or even beforehand? If they survived the flood, what kind of extinction event have we seen in the last 4000 years that would have wiped out a large portion of the earth's species (i.e. dinosaurs), yet not be mentioned at all in the Bible nor other histories?
---StrongAxe on 6/27/15


You really should not need to ask because God told Noah exactly how it had to be built, the size, the type of wood etc. Read the account for yourself.
---Rita_H on 6/27/15


Big enough to hold a lot of dinosaurs.
---learner2 on 6/26/15


Cluny says the creatures could have gone into some kind of something like hibernation. Well, God put Adam into a deep sleep, then brought Eve out of Adam. Like this, He could have put the arkies into a deep sleep and brought out more than went in . . . even like how Jesus multiplied the loaves and fish.

We have a series of ponds for restoring drainage water before it goes into the salt bay water. The place has various plants, including water lilies, plus various birds and other creatures. I suppose that all started with drainage water flooding.
---Bill on 6/26/15


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The Bible says how big it was . . . big enough (c: God's grace is enough > "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness," Jesus says in 2 Corinthians 12:9.

And, "of course", how old were the animals when they went into the ark? How much would they need? It was miraculous.

I have seen the formations which ones claim came during an "ice age". They seem to me to be too finely sculptured, for ice to do that, but a worldwide flood with tidal flowing, I think, could make such intricate pieces of "art" (c:
---Bill on 6/26/15


Genesis gives the dimensions of Noah's ark in cubits.

While conventionally a cubit is about 18 modern inches or half a meter, it could be that the length of the cubit varied throughout ancient history.

As far as food for the animals, they might have been young, rather than adult, and could have gone into something like hibernation during the voyage.

These are not matters I stay up all night pondering upon.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/15


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