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Is eating shrimp, crab, and Catfish permitted according to Scripture?

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Dear Jerry you are going above and beyond what we teach as Seventh day Adventists.

Yes we have had many do this. But it is not our church policy or statement of belief.

Please take some time and Read Section V of Messenger of the Lord by Hebert Douglass. We are to teach a health message not one of condemnation on this topic. Our goal is to help improve the lives of others by love, caring and helping to eat a proper diet.


The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/24/15


Cluny: God said of the pagans:

Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Are you a pagan that you eat like them? Aren't you curious as to why you are sick?



---jerry6593 on 7/24/15


\\ How can you be so educated, yet unable to understand the simplest biblical concepts?\\

You don't think that YOU understand them, do you?

\\ The animals are not abominations - your eating of them is abomination. \

YOU are the one who actually called them "abominations". I quoted your words exactly.

On the other hand, do you think that eating shrimp is the moral equivalent of perversion? The same word--abomination/toevah--is used to describe both.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/23/15


Cluny: "Are you saying that God created abominations, jerry?"

How can you be so educated, yet unable to understand the simplest biblical concepts? The animals are not abominations - your eating of them is abomination. God created some animals as scavengers to clean up the rotting bodies on the earth. That explains buzzards, pigs, shrimp, catfish, etc.

You twist the Scriptures to justify your depraved appetite. That's how you ignore context and change Peter's lesson on religious bigotry to your justification for eating cockroaches, or Paul's warnings about meat offered to idols to his condoning of eating human flesh, or even yet Christ's upbraiding of the Pharisees' ritual cup washing, etc.


---jerry6593 on 7/23/15


Monk Brendan Wearing fabrics is about ceremonial laws. Do you wash your hands before you eat, bath, handles dead animals then eat without washing? These rules and others have been shown by Medical Science to help keep people healthy.

Joel Osteen sermon on clean and unclean foods.

The Moral laws are summed up in Love. Romans 14. If you act in love you will keep all the Moral laws. Many of Moses's laws are legal statues today.

Cluny many foods are deadly to eat. Micha most things we eat don't normally kill us. But eating poison mushrooms will always kill you. So eating them is always wrong.

Again we don't forbid eating. We just point out that it is unhealthy and let you make up your mind about if GOD is correct.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/22/15




Cluny:

I said: (and the new specifically warns about those who forbid eating of meat).

You said: The Greek word in this verse, gevma, is the generic word for "foods". KREAS, or flesh of animals, is not used.

If this meant all food, it would make no sense, because anyone who taught others to never eat or drink anything would soon have no followers (and, if he followed his own teachings, would not be around long either). (Nevertheless, look up breatharianism.)

If this meant certain specific kinds of foods, like "thou shalt not eat pork" or "thou shalt not eat broccoli", the point I made would apply just as well.
---StrongAxe on 7/22/15


\\(and the new specifically warns about those who forbid eating of meat).\\

The Greek word in this verse, gevma, is the generic word for "foods". KREAS, or flesh of animals, is not used.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/22/15


Rod4Him said, "God didn't change anything. The issue was the "added" rules that the Pharisees put on people."

The point I was trying to make is that God has given us grace. We live under grace and not the Law. Besides, can anyone follow the Law (all 613 commands) exactly? I know I can't.

For instance, the law says that we are not to wear clothes with a mix of fabrics. Half of the stuff that I wear is poly cotton. Plus, have you looked at the price of cotton (or worse yet linen) fabric? I can't afford such luxury.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/22/15


I've been told over and over again by SDAs that only the moral law--that is, the Decalogue--is still binding, and if something is not there, it is ceremonial and no longer applicable.

There's nothing about what to eat and not to eat there.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/22/15


Samuelbb7:

You said: Your point of view seems to be that these rules mean nothing and can be disobeyed with impunity. Which the doctors did and caused the death of thousands of women.

The operative word here is seems. I state the rules, and prefer to leave the interpretation to others. Unfortunately, many read much between the lines of what I actually say, as they read much between the lines of what the Bible actually says.

The old and new testaments explicitly permit the eating of meat (and the new specifically warns about those who forbid eating of meat). Despite the fact that voluntary vegetarianism may be healthy for some, How many people have gotten sick or died because of being forced to be vegetarians?
---StrongAxe on 7/21/15




//Paul did not authorize the change in God's command, God did. Matt 15:17 Dont you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?//

God didn't change anything. The issue was the "added" rules that the Pharisees put on people.
---Rod4Him on 7/21/15


Strong Ax. Your point of view seems to be that these rules mean nothing and can be disobeyed with impunity. Which the doctors did and caused the death of thousands of women.

1Timothy 4:5
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Where is eating unclean food sanctified by the word of GOD? Where have I condemned you or anyone else?

I have stated that this is a health issue. That this advanced medical knowledge helps to show the inspiration of the Bible. Yet many here seem more to want to eat unhealthily then to Admit to the Power of and knowledge of GOD.

Why?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/21/15


Samuelbb7:

You said: So your point of view helped lead to their death.

How so? Please show anything I said that was even remotely related to that. I never commented on the commandment to wash one's hands. In fact, I was not even stating my own "point of view" about eating animals - merely pointing out that the Bible does not forbid it (in fact it condemns those who will forbid eating of meat). My own opinion on that matter isn't, and shouldn't be, important to you, or anyone else here, since this is christianet and not opinionet.
---StrongAxe on 7/21/15


Jerry said, "If Paul had authorized (assuming he had the authority) the change to God's command to refrain from consuming that which God calls abomination, why didn't Peter get the memo after all those years?"

Paul did not authorize the change in God's command, God did. Matt 15:17 Dont you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a persons mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughtsmurder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/21/15


Yes Strong Ax you got me. I didn't say it correctly. We are not to eat animals found dead. Since they could have died of something that could kill us too. We are also supposed to wash after touching a dead person. Which many doctors thought was nonsense. So thousands died when doctors went from autopsies to examine live patients. See Ignaz Semmelweis. So your point of view helped lead to their death.

Yes Cluny all the original things GOD made were good. But this world had changed. There a number of plants and animals that if you eat them, you will die.

Again this is not a salvation issue. Just do we trust that GOD knows better how our body works?

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/21/15


Acts10, Peter's vision is about accepting Gentiles, and is not about food.

[28]And he said to them, "You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him, and yet God has shown me that I should not call any man unholy or unclean."

Where does the Bible say, "it is unlawful for a Jew to associate with a foreigner?"

It doesn't...it was a Pharisaical/Rabbitical rule that Peter had bought into.

The passage is not teaching that "we are no longer under Law." People should never have been under Pharisaical Law.
---Rod4Him on 7/21/15


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\\If Paul had authorized (assuming he had the authority) the change to God's command to refrain from consuming that which God calls abomination, \\

jerry, why do you believe that God created abominations?

My Bible tells me that God called everything He made "very good."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/21/15


Samuelbb7:

You said: So the Bible says not to eat dead animals.

No, it says not to eat animals that suffered a natural death.

Cluny said: The Bible also forbids eating "the limb of the living."

If you can't eat them when they're alive, nor dead, you can't eat them, period. This is because Seventh Day Adventists keep trying to push the notion that eating animals should be forbidden. You can see that just by all the posts on these blogs on this issue, despite Colossians 2:16:
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"

"We don't judge you, but it's still wrong" is still judging.
---StrongAxe on 7/21/15


\\ So the Bible says not to eat dead animals. \\

The Bible also forbids eating "the limb of the living."

Please explain the contradiction, Samuel.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/15


Why did God tell us not to use these animals for food?

Most any doctor will tell you the creatures Gods tells us not to eat, are very unhealthy foods. Gods commands are not meant to hold us back, they are there to save us from ourselves.
---David on 7/21/15


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\\If Paul had authorized (assuming he had the authority) the change to God's command to refrain from consuming that which God calls abomination, why didn't Peter get the memo after all those years?
\\

Are you saying that God created abominations, jerry?

My Bible says that God called all He had created very good.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/15


jerry6593:

You wrote: Act 10:14... If Paul had authorized (assuming he had the authority) the change to God's command to refrain from consuming that which God calls abomination, why didn't Peter get the memo after all those years?

If you had continued to the very next verse after the one you quoted, you would have seen that a voice from heaven did indeed deliver that very exact memo:

Acts 10:15:
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
---StrongAxe on 7/11/15


//Years after the Cross, Peter said these words:
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.//
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an UNLAWFUL thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation, but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
We are not under Law
---michael_e on 7/11/15


Years after the Cross, Peter said these words:

Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

If Paul had authorized (assuming he had the authority) the change to God's command to refrain from consuming that which God calls abomination, why didn't Peter get the memo after all those years?

Paul was a Pharisee, and as such, he well knew the dietary restrictions commanded by God in the Old Testament, and the injunction against changing God's commandments. People today twist his writings to satisfy their depraved appetites.

Isa 66:17 They ... eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.


---jerry6593 on 7/11/15


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Acts 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols...
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
/Romans 14 is an argument about eating meat offered to Idols, and not judging others.\
If Rom 14 were about meat offered to idols, it would contradict Acts 15.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is]
/It is not about eating unclean food.\-Samuelbb7 on 7/10/15
I choose to go with what the Bible says and not listen to any 19th century false interpretations.
So, in other words, there are no verses that call certain food unhealthy.
But if you esteem...
---micha9344 on 7/11/15


Romans 14:3
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not, and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

Romans 14 is an argument about eating meat offered to Idols, and not judging others.

It is not about eating unclean food.

Practices that are unclean are unhealthy. A fact written up by doctors. These practices also show a medical knowledge that helps to show the Bible is inspired. In my discussions with Atheists some have admitted that these practices were thousands of years ahead of their time. But they pass it off to chance.

As Christians we should be praising GOD for this proof of the Bible.

1Corithians 10:31
---Samuelbb7 on 7/10/15


So, in other words, there are no verses that call certain food unhealthy.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.
John 1:3 All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean.
Rom 14:4
Rom 14:10
Rom 14:20
---micha9344 on 7/9/15


Micha you need a little training in medicine.

Bird flu kills birds. So the Bible says not to eat dead animals. That would protect you from that. What you listed has to do with mishandling food. That improper handling would make the food unclean.

Mad Cow is new but it came from people feeding dead cows to cows. So humans changed the animal.

Unclean foods are unhealthy to eat. Which is why they are unclean. Noah knew this. Genesis 7:2,8 8:20.

It also speaks of regular bathing and washing your hands. Do you want to not bath or wash your hands? Or how about improper sanitation is called unclean. Should you live and eat sewage?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/9/15


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/Where are the foods that the Bible says are dangerous to eat, said to be good to eat?\
-Where does it say in the Bible which foods are dangerous to eat?
/Why didn't Peter eat them?\
Follow up after the first question is answered.
/Did someone answer my point about somethings being deadly to eat and I missed it?\-Samuelbb7 on 7/9/15
Your point is irrelevant due to the fact that anything could kill you, i.e. mad cow, hoof and mouth, bird flu, e. coli, botulism. etc..
All these can be in foods approved by God to Israel.
Your argument is without merit.
---micha9344 on 7/9/15


2Peter 3:15,16
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you,

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

1Timothy 4:5
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Where are the foods that the Bible says are dangerous to eat, said to be good to eat?

Why didn't Peter eat them?

Did someone answer my point about somethings being deadly to eat and I missed it?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/9/15


Under grace, if anyone forbade eating certain meats they were teaching the doctrine of devils desiring to confuse (1 Tim 4:1-3).
So, do we teach in order to be saved, one must stop eating shrimp?
Since no one can obey everything in the Bible everyone must choose. After reading a passage ask who is speaking? The Bible records Satans lies. Avoid participating.
To whom are they speaking? Do I fit in the audience? God instructed Isaiah to preach without clothes (Isa 20:2). You're not Isaiah.
Rightly divide.
Jesus taught Paul the wisdom of God (Gal 1:1, 11, Eph 3:10).
Paul's instructions are specifically for Gentiles (Eph 3:1). He was the apostle of the Gentiles (Rom 11:13). You are in this audience.
---michael_e on 7/8/15


StrongAxe, those are hard questions and I have asked myself all of them at one time or another while searching for truth. Only one answer to each question can be true so how do we figure it out? I started by asking for guidance from God and then I started searching and I have been asking, seeking and finding ever since. I have a long way to go and the way is narrow but the treasures are plentiful.

---barb on 7/8/15


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michael_e wrote: To reject Paul is to reject Christ
Barb wrote: To reject Paul is nothing but to reject the Light that God sent into the world will have very great consequences.

These both come down to a very deep question (and one too complicated for this blog): Was Paul an authentic spokesman for God, and, by implication, are his books divinely inspired? Once one opens that Pandora's box, one also inevitably opens "Which books of the Bible are truly authentic?" and "Did Jesus actually say the things the evangelists wrote about him"? One could argue away any verse one doesn't like by saying "Well, Jesus may not have actually said that".
---StrongAxe on 7/8/15


\\Many years after the Cross, Peter said these words:

Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.\\

That was not many years later, jerry.

**//You don't find shrimp, clams, crabs, and the like in a desert climate.//

Actually, the coasts of Israel are hotter than inland Israel, not like the coasts of California.**

Coasts, by definition, are not deserts. It's not the temperature that makes a desert, but lack of water.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/8/15


Michael_e, Jesus is talking to His disciples in John 13, as He washes their feet. Paul is not there. You have no evidence other than what Paul, himself wrote that anything he said was true.

"By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one for another". Now that should tell you something right there.
---barb on 7/7/15


Paul, the Lords chosen vessel (Acts 9:15)
Paul, a minister of the Lord preaching the dispensation of the grace of God revealing the mystery of Christ and his church (Eph 3:1-2, Col 1:25-27).
Christ sent Paul to speak for him. When they heard Paul, they were hearing Gods words. (1 Thess 2:13)
Paul spoke the commandments of the Lord.(1 Cor 14:37)
These commandments came directly from the Lord.(Gal 1:12, 1 Thess 4:2)
The Lord sent Paul, and so the words he gave Paul were the words of the Lord. To receive the Lord, men were required to receive Paul. As the Lord commands: ... He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. John 13:20
rejecting Paul is rejecting Christ
---michael_e on 7/7/15


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To reject Paul is nothing but to reject the Light that God sent into the world will have very great consequences.

"I am come as a light into the world, that whosoever believes on me should not abide in darkness. And if any man hears My Words, and does not believe them, I judge him not for I came not to judge the world but to save it. He that rejects me and receives not My Words, has one that judges him, the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." John 12:44-50.

Jesus does not say anywhere that we will be judged by any words other than the words given to Him by His Father.
---barb on 7/7/15


//to reject Paul is to reject Christ//

Seriously??? Where's that verse?
---Rod4Him on 7/7/15


Paul was not sent to circumcise, yet he circumcised Timothy in order to minister to Jews. He does not circumcise Titus so that he could minister with a Gentile (Gal 2:3). He would later write circumcision avails nothing (Gal 5:2-6).
He goes to Jerusalem to minister to his kinsmen (Rom 15:27). He observes Pentecost to minister to his kinsmen (Acts 20:16). Yet, he teaches that one day is not above another and to boast in Christ not observation of days (Gal 4:9-11, Col 2:16).
He did not eat certain meats to minister to his kinsmen (1 Cor 8:13). Yet, he ate with Gentiles and taught that every creature is good to eat (Gal 2:12, 1 Tim 4:4).
It is called right division of the truth 2 Tim 2:15
To reject Paul is to reject Christ
---michaeel_e on 7/7/15


Many years after the Cross, Peter said these words:

Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

If Paul had authorized (assuming he had the authority) the change to God's command to refrain from consuming that which God calls abomination, why didn't Peter get the memo after all those years?


---jerry6593 on 7/7/15


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//You don't find shrimp, clams, crabs, and the like in a desert climate.//

Actually, the coasts of Israel are hotter than inland Israel, not like the coasts of California.
---Rod4Him on 7/7/15


True Micha GOD didn't explain about germs and other causes of disease. We found that out through Science why GOD said what He did, over 4000 latter. Shouldn't we respect GOD for working to keep people alive?

Michea I have not said that you will go to hell for eating unclean food. Just it could kill you. It is up to you if you want to eat what GOD forbade. Jesus is the one and only Sacrifice and the Only High Priest.

We work out of love for GOD and others. Those who don't work are not saved.

1John 2:3,4

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Grace is also in the Old Testament.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/6/15


\\GOD forbade these foods in the Old Testament. The reasons being they, especially in a desert climate, are dangerous to eat. Now they seem to be dangerous to eat for other reasons as well.\\

You don't find shrimp, clams, crabs, and the like in a desert climate.

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/6/15


Samuel BB said, "GOD forbade these foods in the Old Testament. The reasons being they, especially in a desert climate, are dangerous to eat. Now they seem to be dangerous to eat for other reasons as well."

Samuel, without a method of preservation (smoking, salting, drying, etc.) no shrimp, crab or catfish will make it to the desert in order to be eaten.

I live in Phoenix, and there are very few places that have crab, lobster, etc. fresh on the menu, and those are air expressed from the ocean to arrive next day.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/6/15


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/The reasons being they, especially in a desert climate, are dangerous to eat.\-Samuelbb7 on 7/6/15
-But God did not give this as a reason.
-Putting words in God's mouth is the dangerous thing.
---micha9344 on 7/6/15


When God gave the law to Moses,Israel was required to obey, or face consequences.
When Paul received a dispensation from God, it described a change in how God was working in the world from law to grace, from visible divine miracles to an unseen faith in the resurrected Lord.
Under law, God forbade eating certain meats (Lev 11:8).
Under grace, if anyone forbade eating certain meats they were teaching the doctrine of devils desiring to confuse (1 Tim 4:1-3).
Obeying Gods instructions for a different dispensation is disobedience to God now.
If God expects us to respond to him by faith in Christs cross, and we respond to him with sacrifices under the law, or good works, we would be wrong.
---michael_e on 7/6/15


No shellfish do not transmit leprosy. But they do Cholera and some other diseases.

Wikipedia on Cholera

Cholera affects an estimated 35 million people worldwide and causes 58,000- 130,000 deaths a year as of 2010.

Reports of tainted seafood make the news every so often.

Many are worried because over fishing are ruining the oceans.

GOD forbade these foods in the Old Testament. The reasons being they, especially in a desert climate, are dangerous to eat. Now they seem to be dangerous to eat for other reasons as well.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/6/15


/If GOD says it is bad for you then you should trust Him.\-Samuelbb7 on 7/4/15
-I must have missed that part where God says that certain foods are bad for you.
/many foods aren't sanctified by the word of GOD.\
-This is in direct opposition to what 1Tim says.
-Let's see it again:
1Tim 4:4-5 For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
-What are the "it"s in this passage? The answer is "nothing" as it refers to "every creature."
I can't very well accept something that is knowingly going to make me sick or die with thanksgiving now can I: Such is not sanctified.
---micha9344 on 7/6/15


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NO. These are unclean and are forbidden by scripture.

---jerry6593 on 7/5/15


Don't shellfish transmit leprosy? Well, maybe not. I hope not.
---learner2 on 7/4/15


Micha many foods aren't sanctified by the word of GOD. Like dogs, cats, rats, poisonous plants that we should not eat. If a food can make you sick or kill you shouldn't eat it. If GOD says it is bad for you then you should trust Him.

Okay Cluny. I can start to do that. But you have never stated that I told a lie or that my statements were incorrect. I believe that if they had been you would have challenged me.

I have challenged your statements that were lies and misquotes. Then showed the correct ones.

We cannot answer the charges of Satan against us. Christ alone make an effectual pea in our behalf. He is able to silence the accuser with argument not upon our merits but on his own. Lift Him up Page 234 E.G. White
---Samuelbb7 on 7/4/15


\\Cluny you did not give book chapter and verse\\

Neither do you when you make an anti-Catholic statement.

Sauce for the goose, you know.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/4/15


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Lerner2 who said shellfish transmits leprosy?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/4/15


/There is no verse that says eating food or doing unhealthy things is approved by GOD./-Samuelbb7 on 7/3/15
Eating food is not approved by God? well then...
And maybe we should define "unhealthy" for everyone, before we can see if "unhealthy things" are approved by God.
I would consider lying on one's side for 390 days to be "unhealthy", yet God approved of that for Ezekiel.
1Tim 1 in context:
v3-5 ...which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
-Looks like approval to me.
---micha9344 on 7/4/15


I think there are many of lepers in New England. They eat a lot of shellfish there.
---learner2 on 7/3/15


Cluny you did not give book chapter and verse. But this time you did state a truth. Spiritual Gifts Volume 4. Page 146.

That should make you happy. You ignore a fact. Hansen's disease of today is a single disease. But in History and the Bible it refers to different skin diseases.

Modern Science has narrowed and redefined the definition. When E.G. White wrote this it was still being figured out.

"Many English translations of the Bible translate tzaraath as "leprosy," a confusion that derives from the use of the koine cognate (which can mean any disease causing scaly skin)" Wikipedia Leprosy.

White was using the broad definition for many diseases. But apparently not Hansen's.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/3/15


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Cluny taking a verse out of context is bad theology.

Tit 1:14-16
Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure, but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
They profess that they know God, but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

There is no verse that says eating food or doing unhealthy things is approved by GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/3/15


I found this. You can research it further if you wish..

A recent scientific report from Norway has added fuel to this long-simmering debate. The study, funded by the Norwegian government, finds that animals like lobsters have nervous systems that are too simple to process what we call "pain."
---learner2 on 7/2/15


Learner said, " Dropping a lobster into boiling water is much more humane than what you would probably see in a slaughterhouse with cattle."

Oh really? Which way would you like to die, by being dropped into boiling water, and screaming in pain (which the lobster cannot do) while the water slowly cooks your flesh, or being hit hard enough on the head that you die immediately? If that is the only choice, I would take the hit on the head.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/2/15


Cluny is right, there was a rise in the number of leprosy cases in Texas during the time people were eating more armadillo. Leprosy occurs naturally in armadillos. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 7/2/15


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\\I don't eat unclean food because GOD is my Father and I don't eat what He said not to.\\

Science has yet to associate Hansen's disease (leprosy) with swine. This is something that EGW falsely claimed these animals spread.

The only animal that can spread leprosy, other than humans, is the armadillo.

And Jesus said that is it NOT what goes into your mouth that makes us unclean. St. Paul also said, "To the pure all things are pure."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/2/15


I, personally, have never had fried mud.
---micha9344 on 7/1/15


Deuternomy 23:13
Here is a law about sanitation. Breaking this law will not make you lost. But it could make you sick enough to die. Like breaking any other of GOD'S health codes.

GOD told His people to wash their hands before eating. So today should not wash your hands before eating to show you are not under the law?

Should you eat vultures, rats and mice? Or should we recognize that GOD gave health laws to us that Scientist took thousands of years to figure out were true. Millions have died because they did not follow the laws of health and sanitation give by GOD to Moses.

I don't eat unclean food because GOD is my Father and I don't eat what He said not to.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/1/15


Dropping a lobster into boiling water is much more humane than what you would probably see in a slaughterhouse with cattle.
---learner2 on 7/1/15


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Cluny said, "I don't like catfish. It tastes like fried mud.
I won't eat crab or lobster because they are cooked while still alive, and that's cruel.
I don't eat much shrimp as they are high in cholesterol, though they are cooked after being beheaded."


Not all shrimp are beheaded before cooking, Cluny. I agree with you on crab and lobster, and I have never had catfish (it's a Yankee thing).

However, the question--and some of the answers--presume that we are under the Law. We are not. We are under Grace.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/1/15


All the cooked prawns which I see on sale still have their heads on. I won't eat any shell fish because they are all (as far as I know) cooked alive. I know of no bible teaching on this but just don't think that it is ethical to eat them.
---Rita_H on 7/1/15


Not possible to get all the blood out of red meat. Safer being vegan.
---learner2 on 7/1/15


I don't like catfish. It tastes like fried mud.

I won't eat crab or lobster because they are cooked while still alive, and that's cruel.

I don't eat much shrimp as they are high in cholesterol, though they are cooked after being beheaded.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/30/15


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We can now eat almost everything.

Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.


We cannot eat the following:

Act 15:20 (ERV) Instead, we should send a letter telling them only the things they should not do: Don't eat food that has been given to idols. This makes the food unclean. Don't be involved in sexual sin. Don't eat meat from animals that have been strangled or any meat that still has the blood in it.
---aservant on 7/1/15


Mushrooms are plants so all Mushrooms can be eaten. But some just like other plants will kill you because they are poisonous.

Ten day old road kill is fine. Dead diseased animals are great to eat.

GOD says certain things and animals are unclean or unhealthy to eat. Those sanctified by the Word of GOD which is the Bible are okay to eat. Will eating a ham sandwich cause you to be lost? I don't read that in the Bible. Can it be unhealthy and make you sick. Yes.

Can eating raw oysters kill you. Occasionally.

1Corithians 10:31
Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

You can run a car on bad gas but it's not a good idea.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/1/15


Didn't Jesus Himself said ANYTHING that enters the mouth comes out into the latrine?
But what men utter comes out of the heart?

That's the Gospel speaking.
If Jesus permits it, no one should deny it.
---Nicole_Lacey on 6/30/15


1 Timothy 4:4,5 For every creature of God is good,and nothing to be refused,if it be received with thanksgiving:For it is sanctified by the Word of God and prayer. learner2 with due respect but all the things you mentioned were under the Old Law in the Old Testament and Christians are not under that Law. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/30/15


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And all these are called "abominations".

Just like having a double standard ("diverse weights and measures" in KJV).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/30/15


Learner, I am guessing that you refer to Deuteronomy 22:11 "You must not wear clothing made of wool and linen woven together."

If so, there is a very good and sensible reason for this - wool shrinks when washed and linen does not - so part of the garment would shrink whilst the other part remained unchanged. That's not a good look by any stretch of the imagination and shows how accurate and practical scripture is.

This is not referring to polyester/cotton or other more modern mixes and so we should not be giving the impression that it does. It is just those two specific fabrics. If you were referring to some other verse/s please let me know what they are as I am a learner too.
---Rita_H on 6/30/15


Gen 1:29 And God said, See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed, to you it shall be for food.
-All from Adam to Noah, no.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs.
-All from Noah to Moses, yes.
Lev 11:12 Whatever in the water does not have fins or scalesthat shall be an abomination to you.
-Israel from Moses to Christ, no.
Rom 14:2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats, for God has received him.
-All since Christ, yes
---micha9344 on 6/30/15


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