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Who Are The Elect Of God

Who are the elect of God?

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 ---Luke on 7/10/15
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Hi Luke,

Hope all the discussion has not confused you.

For your answers the following Scriptures will help you find the answer:

John 6:35-45, Romans 8:29-39 9:9-23, and Ephesians 1:1-13.

Luke, the Elect of God are those (men and women) who God by his grace has saved by his Sovereign Decree for his own glory.

A good book to help is Desiring God by John Piper and Chosen by God by RC Sproul.

May Yahweh lead you to him,

John
---john9346 on 9/13/15


Christians! Matthew 24:21-24, Romans chapter 8, 11:5-7, Colossians 3:9-17, Titus 1:1-4, 1Peter 1:1-5, 2Peter 1:1-11.
---Glenn on 8/28/15


Samuel said, "Thank you John for showing my point of your basic assumption that GOD hates most people."

Actually, that is your misunderstanding and what I find dishonest about you is you cant provide sources to support your alleged claim.

Even though I have asked you Several Times for sources, even on another blog.
---john9346 on 8/26/15


All the Bible is written to believers. But it is about the world.

Thank you John for showing my point of your basic assumption that GOD hates most people.

If the wicked are to be destroyed or destruction. Then they are not being tortured in hell for eternity. So do you believe GOD will destroy them or keep them alive to torture men, women, children and babies for eternity?

Trust the Bible. JESUS did.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/25/15


Chria,

2 Peter 3:9 is actually written to the believers in context not unbelievers.

God is just in the destruction we are his creatures and he owes us nothing, but hell.

It is only his graciousness that he wills to save whom he will.

Lets let God do his will after all he knows best.

He created us not the other way around.
---john9346 on 8/25/15




john9346
Agree its not what we think but what God says. Of course He is capable of telling us whatever He wishes. Some simply have different understandings about what is in the bible but He can and does correct. It was not my intent to argue against Gods will, and yes, God can be God, and is God.
Thank you for sharing verses to consider. In verses I quoted, it seems the desire that none would perish is a preference as indicated by "but rather" and has to do with salvation, blessings offered or availabl. Other verses have to do with consequences of refusal of blessings offered.
I simply do not see God as creating any ONLY to take pleasure in their destruction.
Trav,
Yes, the book is written to and for Israel.
---chria9396 on 8/21/15


Questions: Do you think God takes pleasure in the death of any (one)?
Do you think God willingly afflicts or grieves any one?

Well its not what I think, but what God has said.

I think God is more than capable to tell us what he loves and hates don't you...

The prophet Isaiah knew this better when he asked, "Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him?" "With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?"
---john9346 on 8/11/15


Part 2
Many times in the bible God does and/or says certain things so that some, which at least at times, includes the heathen, may know that HE is God.

Questions: Do you think God takes pleasure in the death of any (one)?
Do you think God willingly afflicts or grieves any one?
Do you think God enjoys any one suffering?
I believe God has a higher purpose and many of the things here such as afflicting, grieving, and the death of wicked are not a pleasure for God, but rather there is something higher and better for some that in love He allows or carries out.
---chria9396 on 8/11/15


John,yes,a chosen and covenantal people are who much is written to.
---chria9396 on 8/11/15

The entire book is written by to and for the Lineage of Israel. Beginning to the end.
Book of light only if one embraces the light. Entire House of Israel is physically resurrected in Eze 37, and marching through the 12 gates in Rev 21:12.
Most want GOD on their terms...not GOD's who plainly states who the new Covenant is to. In Heb 8:8-10 and Jer 31:31-33.The promises, covenants, adoption, service Rom 9:4.
Who is willing to honoring his will and choice? Only two here so far.
Isa_45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
---Trav on 8/11/15


"yes,a chosen and covenantal people are who much is written to."
Chria, the Scriptures you cited are specific refering to Israel.

"That does not necessarily negate its application to others."
Yes, but those applications must be interpreted within the context of why they were made.

The scriptures you cited does not disproove God's Will because God has 2 wills and there are Scriptures where Yahweh pleasures the destruction of the wicked Deut 28:63 Psalms 135:6-11, and Isaiah 46:10.

Cant God be God??
---john9346 on 8/11/15




Part 1
John,yes,a chosen and covenantal people are who much is written to. Questions, who are covenantal people(many differ on this, ie: Israel, all Israel physical and/or spiritual Israel,more) Who are the wicked referenced? Only certain wicked,all wicked, and do we as individuals know the heart of any man? Does scripture written to others have application to todays believers, unbelievers, select few or all?
Very many books of the bible, chapters and verses are written to specific people. That does not necessarily negate its application to others.
The focus is the Lord, His ways,His heart. God is love. Not simply has love, but IS.
Scripture, His teaching help define love. Some may see in part, but to see in full, who can claim?
---chria9396 on 8/11/15


Samuel,

For the third time sir what is the Biblical Definition of freewill?
interesting you say the bible does not define and then you immediately go and give a definition

Also, for the third time
is every single person on planet earth saved yes or no??

Again, I am going to ask you
Please provide sources that Calvinist teach God hates people?

Learner2 is not your source my friend is this the best you can do.

Please answer my questions again they have been asked 3 times.

"but when I say that means that God has predestined all others to be lost and sent to hell."

Rita, there is a difference between predestination and reprobation that is why he said that to you.
---john9346 on 8/10/15


Samuel,

For the third time sir what is the Biblical Definition of freewill?
interesting you say the bible does not define and then you immediately go and give a definition

Also, for the third time
is every single person on planet earth saved yes or no??

Again, I am going to ask you
Please provide sources that Calvinist teach God hates people?

Learner2 is not your source my friend is this the best you can do.

Please answer my questions again they have been asked 3 times.

"but when I say that means that God has predestined all others to be lost and sent to hell."

Rita, there is a difference between predestination and reprobation that is why he said that to you.
---john9346 on 8/10/15


Free will common definition.

Spurgeon

In our Confession, Chapter 3, Sections 3, 4, and 7,: "By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestined unto everlasting life and others foreordained to everlasting death" (3). "These angels and men, thus predestinated and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number is so certain and definite that it cannot be either increased or diminished" (4)Spurgeon is a great source.



All have salvation paid for, Not all accept.

They are the very small select group of people God loves. He hates the rest of us and wants our destruction
---learner2 on 7/20/15
---Samuelbb7 on 8/10/15


Samuel,

"The Bible never say freewill is."
interesting you say the bible does not define and then you immediately go and give a definition

So, is this your definition??

"World in Calvinist speech, due to limited atonement doesn't mean everyone. Not to the rest of us."

You are not answering my question again is every single person on planet earth saved yes or no??

Please provide sources that Calvinist teach God hates people?your sources??

Chria, Ezekiel 18 and 33 are written to people who are all ready chosen/covenental.

You cited Lamentation 3:33, but note the entire chapter as well as verse 32??
---john9346 on 8/9/15


I have gone around in circles for years with a presbyterian minister regarding predestination. He says that a certain group of people are predestined to be saved (of which he is one of course) but when I say that means that God has predestined all others to be lost and sent to hell he says "NO, a loving God would not do that. They send themselves to hell through their unbelief and sin".

Work that one out if you can. I gave up trying some time ago because it gets me no closer to the logic of this teaching.

Many presbyterians seem to not know that their church actually teaches this. That particular teaching seems to hardly ever be mentioned in their sermons, it's just in their Statement of Faith - pinned on a wall.
---Rita_H on 8/10/15


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Nicole,

sorry you think and feel this way.

I did think everyone on this blog were adults I guest not...

I view your comment to me to be encouraging and confirmation based upon the following Scriptures:

24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? Matthew 10:24-25

God bless you,

John
---john9346 on 8/9/15


john9346

The Bible never say freewill is. So there is no Bible definition of it. We can choose to do right or wrong. To chose to follow GOD the Holy Spirit convicts of sin and then we either choose to accept or reject him. That is the understand of what free will is.

World in Calvinist speech, due to limited atonement doesn't mean everyone. Not to the rest of us.

Not everyone is saved. Not because GOD hates them and wants to burn them in hell for eternity. But they choose not to love.

In limited atonement Jesus only dies for the few he loves. He hates the majority of people on earth.

Good point chira and nicole.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/9/15


Nicole God didn't create anyone, thing or beings just to see pleasure in their death. Agree.
Ez 18:23
"Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked?..."
Ez33:11
"...I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live...'"
Lam 3:33"For he does not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men."
To suggest to someone that God may or does not love them is something I would prefer not to do,and if that is the (sole) message one gives, rather than the gospel of Christ,it seems that would simply be destructive. The Lord is capable of revealing His truth and mans need of Him without anyone pounding that idea into the ground.
---chria9396 on 8/8/15


Oh John, you are so confused and believe you are so wise when it comes to the Scriptures.
Be careful because God stops communicating with those who refuse to listen.

God created a beautiful angel that was the highest creature ever made by Him.
Thus, the angel believed he was greater than God and fooled 1/3 of God's other angels.
He is satan the devil.

The first betrayer of God.
So anyone who betrays God is called satan or devil.
As Jesus once called Peter. But, Peter repented and is now known as a Saint today and forever.

I say this with kindness, but you have made yourself believe you are SPECIAL as another who fell for 9 days and 9 nights.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/8/15


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"Nicole Calvinists don't believe in free will. They teach GOD hates the majority of people and unlike the above verse that he only died for a few."
Samuel, could you give the biblical Definition of freewill?

"There point is the word World doesn't mean everyone."
Samuel, is every single person on planet earth saved??

"They think more of GOD hating then loving."
hmm, you must not have read John 16:27, 14:23, 15:13, and 3:16.
---john9346 on 8/7/15


"No, you need to keep reading to Verse 70:"

Nicole, Jesus reinstates the same thing in 70 and 71 in 37-45.

If you listen closely Jesus chosed Judas to be a devil to betray him.
You see he had all ready created it to be.
---john9346 on 8/7/15


Amen Nicole. GOD bless and keep you.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/7/15


Thanks, Samuel. I don't know anything about Calvinist.
It must be sad to believe God is mean and not merciful.

God didn't create anyone, thing or beings just to see pleasure in their death.

The God I know is kind, loving and MERCIFUL
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/6/15


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John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Nicole Calvinists don't believe in free will. They teach GOD hates the majority of people and unlike the above verse that he only died for a few.

There point is the word World doesn't mean everyone.

John 16:8
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Like in these two cases.

They think more of GOD hating then loving.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/6/15


Nicole, if everyone is elected by God then everyone would be saved.
Remember Jesus's Words in John 6:37-45.
---john9346 on 8/5/15

No, you need to keep reading to Verse 70:

John 6:70-71 Jesus answered them, "Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?"

V 71 Now He meant Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to BETRAY Him.

Elect means appointed. Like when we elect the President of the United States.

Everyone is elected, but we have the FREE WILL to reject Him who chose us.

God doesn't force anyone to be with Him forever.
All elected if they choose to accepted God's Grace.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/6/15


Richard, Jesus disagrees with Paul because in Matt 13:15 He tells the people that they are the ones who have closed their eyes. They do not want to see or hear the truth. If they opened their eyes and ears so that they could understand with their heart, Jesus could have converted and healed them. They don't want to be converted. They have their own preconceived ideas and beliefs. Rev 3:14-19.

I don't believe in predestination, I believe the way to salvation is open to everyone. John 12:44-50 does not sound like predestination to me.

God chooses and elects those who obey Him, keep His commandments and those who practice and abide in the words of His Son. Rev 12:17.
---barb on 8/5/15


"Sooo, everyone is elected by God."

Nicole, if everyone is elected by God then everyone would be saved.

Based on your statement ISIS, aL Qaeda, Boca Haron, and every islomic terrorist group is saved??

Remember Jesus's Words in John 6:37-45.
---john9346 on 8/5/15


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Barb - God doesn't stop a person from hearing , Barb stop right there!

Romans 9 : 8- God has Given them the Spirit of slumber --------->
Deuteronomy 29:4
Back up and read Romans 9:7 - "Election has obtained it "

Understand with there Hearts - Yes -That's the act of God, - circumcision of the heart - Once again refer - Ezekiel 36: 26 - 27 - Deuteronomy 30:6

Every nation - at the end - But is that talking about the - Elect - Chosen - that being the All , - With the Heart - and Ears - To hear ?
---Richardc on 8/5/15


Richardc, God doesn't stop a person from hearing the truth. They plug their own ears. "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes They Have Closed, lest at anytime they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and should understand with their heart and should be converted and I should heal them." Matt 13:11-17.

At the end time we are told that every nation, kindred, tongue and people will hear the everlasting gospel and all people of the earth will have a chance to repent and turn to truth. Rev. 14:6-7, Matt 24:13-15.

I trust God to judge the people of the past, present and future who have not heard the everlasting gospel.
---barb on 8/5/15


Barb - Hear the Truth ? - Work on this first !
Mark 4:9 And he said unto them - he that hath ears to hear let him hear!

( If God wants everybody to elected would he stop a person from hearing ? )

Romans 11:8 ------ Spirit of slumber ----- eyes that they should not see , ears that can't hear !

So God has Not given everybody a chance to hear,

Barb - and Samuel

Once Again for probably for the fourth time - NOT every body in the world has heard the gospel - faith come from hearing - Romans 10:17 - So how can it be open to All ?
---Richardc on 8/4/15


Samuel,

Can you provide the biblical definition of choose/chose and force as it relates to God??


Remember, John 3 the word world and whosoever does not mean every single person.

Please tell me based on Romans 3:10-18 how can a dead man choose??
---john9346 on 8/5/15


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Richardc, before we can do the will of God we need to hear the truth which is why God sends us to His Son who is not only the truth but the way and the life.

The will of God is that we believe on the teachings of His Son and follow His example. John 6:36-40, 1st John 2:4-6, Matt 10:38. Our work is to keep the commandments of God and learn to abide in the testimony of Jesus. We can see the elect who have overcome in Rev. 12:17, Rev. 3:21 and Rev. 14:12.

Those who do not do the work of learning righteousness and those who transgress the law will be gathered out of God's Kingdom. Matt 13:41. Until we are sanctified thru God's word we are a work in progress. John 17:17, John 18:37.
---barb on 8/4/15


Bottom line who is God is God God or is mankind God? I submit both cant be God. john9346

But GOD can and I believe does give us the ability to choose and makes us responsible for our actions. We are not puppets. We are not GOD but we are made in his image.

Yes man fell. You believe GOD forced him fall. So T is GOD forced men to fall.

No one is good. Romans 3:10

L. Not if he lets us choose.

I. Unmerited does not mean forced. We don't merit or earn salvation it is offered to us as a gift. John 3. All of us.

P. Since GOD gives us a choice he doesn't take it away.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/4/15


Romans 9:11 - For the children not being yet born, neither having done good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand , Not of Works but of him that calleth,

[ If god is changing the called person so that's why there doing the will of God that works ! Matthew 7:21 - Lord Lord - Go to 7:22 - They thought they were doing good works , Not elected , There works were not going to matter ! ) So if you read a verse Like Matthew 21:50 on It's own - It sounds like you can be save by Good Works - And that can't be !
---Richardc on 8/4/15


God sends those to His Son who take the time to know Him and learn from Him. "It is written in the Prophets, And they shall all be taught of God. Every man therefore that has Heard and has Learned of the Father, comes unto me." John 6:45.

The elect are those who do the will of God. "If any man will do his Will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself." John 7:17.

"Not everyone who says unto me, Lord, Lord shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven but he that does the Will of the Father who is in Heaven." Matt 7:21.

"For whosoever shall do the Will of my Father who is in Heaven, the same is my brother and sister and mother." Matt 12:50.
---barb on 8/4/15


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Yes, but this is an odd question.
You do know God choose us. We don't chose Him.
Sooo, everyone is elected by God.

No one comes to Jesus without His Father sending Him.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/3/15


"For T is total depravity and in all Calvinistic works I read it means unable to repent since so wicked by the design of GOD."
Actually man is depraved do to the fall of adam.

"Unconditional election. GOD chooses to save a few."
does God see good in man see Jeremiah 17:9 for answer.

"Limited atonement. Only died for a few."
If he died for all then wouldn't all be saved?

"Irresistible grace. Force some to be saved."
grace is unmerrited if merritted would it be grace?

"Perseverance of the Saints. Once saved always saved."
If God does a work, can it fail??

Bottom line who is God is God God or is mankind God? I submit both cant be God...
---john9346 on 8/2/15


"For T is total depravity and in all Calvinistic works I read it means unable to repent since so wicked by the design of GOD."
Actually man is depraved do to the fall of adam.

Unconditional election. GOD chooses to save a few.
does God see good in man see Jeremiah 17:9 for answer.

Limited atonement. Only died for a few.
If he died for all then wouldn't all be saved?

Irresistible grace. Force some to be saved.
grace is unmerrited if merritted would it be grace?

Perseverance of the Saints. Once saved always saved.
If God does a work cant it fail??

Bottom line who is God is God God or is man/humans God? I submit both cant be God...
---john9346 on 8/2/15


Richardc I don't understand your statement, "all start in the book". Limited atonement of Calvinism points to only a predetermined list in the book who will be saved against their will.

True those who remain in the book will be saved. Yes Jesus gives us the power and works in us. But we must die to self daily. To die is not a work.

1Corithians 15:31
I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

Read Romans 6.

Some are saved because GOD loves all. But will not pass over those who refuse to be saved. Those who choose to refuse will be lost. They do not love GOD and love others. Matthew 25.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/1/15


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Samuel -

Revelation 3:5 - He That over comes ? Is it man that over come or , God that over comes for them ? Samuel - I would think it would be God - /Christ does all the work!

Blotted out - All start in the book - People that aren't' blotted are not the saved one's


John 17:9 - I pray for them, I do not pray for the world, but those you have Given me, for they are are your's

Force To be saved ? Why save any - all have sin , God Shows greatness he saves a few !
---Richardc on 7/31/15


Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment, and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

To blot out is to remove.

GOD knowing who is going to be saved is not my problem.

TULIP Calvinism is some are forced to be saved and most are forced to live in sin and GOD made them so they have to sin and cannot be saved.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
---Samuelbb7 on 7/31/15


Samuel - People have been going on about this subject for hundreds of years!

Revelation 17:8 - Book of life - written in from the foundation of the world ,

Did God look down the corridor of time and saw who was going to do good works , and write them in the book ?

God knows real christian - A believer can Know Too - Romans 8:16

2 Corinthians 13 :5 - sound like saved people confirming there saved ?

I don't know how that proves your point ?
---Richardc on 7/30/15


Then explain them john.

For T is total depravity and in all Calvinistic works I read it means unable to repent since so wicked by the design of GOD.

Unconditional election. GOD chooses to save a few.

Limited atonement. Only died for a few.

Irresistible grace. Force some to be saved.

Perseverance of the Saints. Once saved always saved.

Have you heard of Lordship Salvation?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/31/15


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Samuel, you said, "Yes I have read it. John 3 & 12 GOD calls all people."
John 3 world doesn't mean everybody John 12:32 drawn doesn't mean everybody.
John 1:29 world doesn't mean everybody.

"Romans 8:29-39 Speaks of being loving and kind like GOD."
Yes and who are the ones that are loving and kind like God?


"But TULIP portrays GOD as cruel and destructive forcing people to commit sin and then torturing them in hell for doing the will of GOD."
This misunderstanding is addressed in Romans 9:9-23.

"Total depravity is babies are born sinners destined to burn in hell for all eternity.
Again, this misunderstanding is answered in Romans 9:9-23 and 3:10-18.
---john9346 on 7/30/15


Only the ones Jesus died for on the cross.
---catherine on 7/30/15


Correct Richardc their hearts were not changed. But that is their fault not that of GOD. There is in human churches people who are unconverted yet go to church. They want enough religion to make them feel good. But not enough to where they truly love GOD and others.

Only GOD knows who the real Christians are. Their names are in the book of life.

2Corithians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith, prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

We all need to so this.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/30/15


Samuel -

The problem I see in what you said Is, Then why would there be tares in the Church ? - For all have sin - Romans 3:23 - And people saying Lord Lord on The last day ? - Matthew 7:21 - The wedding Parable - Matthew 22: 1 - 14 - What happen to that guy, Am getting not the covering of Christ - And self
righteousness, They heard the Word, Did God not change there Hearts ?
---Richardc on 7/29/15


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Richardc

Man cannot change his heart. When a person agrees with GOD and reaches out to Jesus his heart is still in sin. GOD changes his heart and give him a new one. It is called being Born again.

Many will as the Sower parable shows not receive and bear fruit. They will be lost.

No Monk Brendan not all words are to be taken literally. Some Protestants do teach that but it does not make sense.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

We need to follow the words of Jesus. That is eating his flesh.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/29/15


...all the Protestants stop at v45? Why not go on to read the rest of the passage
John 6:45-70

...Protestants believe that every other word must be taken literally?
---Monk_Brendan on 7/25/15

Why do catholic/universalist and protestants both skip/avoid/climb around Matt 10:6 and Matt 15:24, Heb 8:8-10, Jer 31:31-33, etc.
Because the scripture doesn't fit your false doctrines/teachings.
The verses you post are all tied to these above in Matt and Hebrews. Throw in the all the prophets you avoid just for the cake.
In a nutshell you want it the way you want it. Denom's are no different their way is the only way. Ha. Over 3,000 denoms cannot agree to the way GOD declares it through multiplied witnesses.
---Trav on 7/29/15


having completed the question as 25 questions itwas realy helfull.
---greg3378 on 7/29/15


Samuel

Believe though Grace - Yes

Romans 10:10 - For with the Heart mans believeth unto righteousness, and the mouth confession ,

( Does man change his own heart to believe or God ? ) Once again Refer Ezekiel 36: 26 -27 - Man conform himself or God ?

No respecter of persons - Yes

Does not judge on Who a person is - But God has his Likes and dislikes - Romans 9:13

Wrong shall receive for the wrong,- -- Unsaved I would think - Refer 1 john 1:7 - From All sin -
---Richardc on 7/28/15


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Act 15:11
But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Act 16:31
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

When you believe you are Born Again. You walk in love to GOD and others is the result of being Born Again.

Roman 1 & 2 speak of those who follow GOD in ignorance. They will be saved by the Grace of GOD.

Act 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Rom 2:11
For there is no respect of persons with God.

Col 3:25
But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/28/15


Samuel

How does someone accept ? going to church , doing the will of God ? Keep doing these actions , and God will make you Born again - can not sin - 1 John 3:9 - Then at what point does God say , I will save this one because of His actions ? ------ Sounds like work of righteousness on that person Part ,

Holy Spirit Brings about in our heart , Yes , Then why not everybody ? - refer Ezekiel 36:26 -27 - regeneration - new creature - / actions of God

Once again - If God would liked to save All , How can that be - If not every body that live heard the Gospel ?
---Richardc on 7/27/15


Well Richardc we then have some agreements.

Among those who are Calvinists there different schools. One is so close to my understanding that I endeavor not to argue with them on the details.

Those who believe in Lordship Salvation.

Accepting or rejecting salvation is not a work. If someone gives you a gift and you accept it you didn't earn or work for it.

Sanctification is what the Holy Spirit brings about in our heart as we die to self. Dieing is not a work.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/27/15


Samuel

hell - pit - grave - To me at this time I lean towards death being the final out come of sin ,
But do lean towards Gods sovereignty of election, If a person accepts or rejects How would that not be a work of righteousness on that person part if they accept ? That can't be - Titus 3:5 - But if God is doing the conforming for me that seems to work Romans 8:28 -29 - Philippians 1:6

If open for All, what about people that never heard the gospel - Romans 10:17
---RichardC on 7/26/15


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If the topic was about those verse Monk Brendan then I would have. But that is a different topic.

Richardc

Yes only a select group are saved. Where we differ is the way that happens. You believe GOD chooses for them. I believe that we accept or reject ourselves. We can choose to reject the free gift. Which many will do.

Yes I believe that hell results in death. But my comment was on what you and most here believe. Babies being tortured in hell. Not my doctrine your doctrine.

Unless you don't believe in a eternal torturing lake of fire? What do you believe?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/26/15


Samuel

Draws All men ? All that the father gives me - John 6:37 - Joel 2:32 - a remnant called - Does this not seem to be a selective group - ( Christians )

Another example - Romans 5,18 - Therefore as by the offense of judgment came on all men, to condemnation: even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon All men unto justification of Life,

( Does Justification come to All ? It say's so , Or the All - directed to Christians - Elected ? )

Babies burn in hell ? Samuel - I thought from other blogs you were - Wages of sin death guy ? not torture but Death the final out come of sin - babies die - The End - unless saved

---RichardC on 7/25/15


Samuel BB said, "2. John 6:35-45?

But as pointed out above GOD draws all men to Jesus"


Why do all the Protestants stop at v45? Why not go on to read the rest of the passage

John 6:45-70

Why would anyone want to make this symbolic?--especially since most Protestants believe that every other word must be taken literally?

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/25/15


john9346
1. Romans 9:9-23.

Yes I have read it. John 3 & 12 GOD calls all people I disagree with your interpretation. GOD made everyone. But some choose to hate.

2. John 6:35-45?

But as pointed out above GOD draws all men to Jesus. John 16:8
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

3.Romans 8:29-39 Speaks of being loving and kind like GOD. But TULIP portrays GOD as cruel and destructive forcing people to commit sin and then torturing them in hell for doing the will of GOD.

4. Total depravity is babies are born sinners destined to burn in hell for all eternity. Limited atonement says there is no salvation except for a few. Have you read John 1:29
---Samuelbb7 on 7/23/15


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Who are the elect of God?
---Luke on 7/10/15

Luke your answer to this question is found in scripture/Israel. Opinions and doctrines of men are popular. Ironic that truth is unpopular in a book about truth.
Isa_42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold, mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth, I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
Isa_45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isa_65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit, they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
---Trav on 7/22/15


... "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people that may proclaim the praises of Him who called out of darkness into His marvelous light," 1Pe 2:9
---josef on 7/10/15

Scripture is explicit, where your opinion is not found.

Exo_19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Deu_14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
Deu_26:18 And the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, ...
---Trav on 7/22/15


Romans 9

Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it,

Matthew 20:16 - So the last shall be first , and the first last, For many are called but few are chosen,

Joel 2:32 - And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered, for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord has said, and in the remnant whom the
Lord shall call
---RichardC on 7/22/15


Samuel your statements:

1. GOD has always known them, but he doesn't force them. Parable of the Sower.

Have you not read Romans 9:9-23.

2. Predestination is based on TULIP. Which teaches GOD forces people and no one has any choice.
Have you not read John 6:35-45?

3. A man makes a robot to kill people and destroy things. This robot can feel pain. After the robot does what the maker made it do. The maker takes and tortures the robot for what he made it do.

Have you not read Romans 8:29-39?

4. By the laws of TULIP. GOD places babies in hell for all eternity torturing them in fire. Because he hates them.

You are wrong the bible does not even address where babies or young children will go.
---john9346 on 7/21/15


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Learner 2 said, " The more people He destroys, the more His wondrous power is displayed to the whole universe. All humans deserve to be destroyed, but God is love so He sent His Son to save the few people who are His elect."

That is really a sick and twisted view of God and His love. He loves everybody--so why would He create people just to destroy.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/21/15


All humans deserve to be destroyed, but God is love so He sent His Son to save the few people who are His elect. --learner2 on 7/20/15

You are not allowed to ADD or SUBSTRACT from the Bible.

Please tell me which BIBLE in John 3:16 states 'few people?

Unless you are using another part of Scriptures?
Please give Name of Book, chapter and verses if that is the case.
Thank you
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/21/15


The more people He destroys, the more His wondrous power is displayed to the whole universe. All humans deserve to be destroyed, but God is love so He sent His Son to save the few people who are His elect.
---learner2 on 7/20/15


He hates the rest of us and wants our destruction ---learner2 on 7/20/15


So why hasn't he destroyed us yet?

Why create us?

Importantly, why does GOD claim differently from you?

Ezekiel 18:23
Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

I think it you Learner2 who wants God to destroy us.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/20/15


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They are the very small select group of people God loves. He hates the rest of us and wants our destruction
---learner2 on 7/20/15


Some believers are not part of the Elect, though all believers have eternal life
---James_L on 7/20/15


GOD's elect are those who respond to the calling of the HOLY SPIRIT. GOD has always known them, but he doesn't force them. Parable of the Sower.

Predestination is based on TULIP. Which teaches GOD forces people and no one has any choice. GOD hates certain people for being the way He made them.

A man makes a robot to kill people and destroy things. This robot can feel pain. After the robot does what the maker made it do. The maker takes and tortures the robot for what he made it do.

By the laws of TULIP. GOD places babies in hell for all eternity torturing them in fire. Because he hates them.

Romans 1 & 2 teaches that some follow GOD in ignorance. They will be saved by the blood of Jesus.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/11/15


Hi Luke,

This is a very good question,


The Elect of God are those men and women who God have predestinated to be his sons and daughters by his own Sovereign Choosing.


See Romans 8:29-39, Ephesians 1:1-13, John e 6:37-45, Romans 9:9-23, Acts 13:48.
---john9346 on 7/10/15


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Monk - It is estimated that 50% of the world has never even heard of the Bible, for conversation sake say 10% So how can they come to know Christ ? - Faith comes by hearing - And others in pass history never heard the word, I would definitely think so ! Second all that are called of God - Christ loses none ! - John 10:29 - Can a goat become a sheep - I can't find it ! Written in the lamb Book of life before the foundation of the world - Revelation 13:8 - How can a person be saved ? If they can't be saved by there own Good works! Presentation is written in the Bible Four Times ! Presentation does not mean Presentation?
---RichardC on 7/10/15


Believers are the "elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through [the] sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and 'sprinkling' (purifying effect) of the 'blood' (atoning sacrifice) of Jesus Christ:" 1Pe 1:2
Believers are "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people that [the believer] may proclaim the praises of Him who called [them] out of darkness into His marvelous light," 1Pe 2:9
---josef on 7/10/15


All are elected by God to partake in the salvation offered by the atoning death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV)

Whosoever means all! If someone decides not to partake of God's gift, then judgment is on him, and not God electing one person over another.

The whole idea that God would select one person but not his twin (both of whom have cooperated with God's grace) comes from the very pit of hell!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/10/15


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