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My pastor was caught having an affair with the secretary I was shocked and judgmental but who am I to judge and God loves him just like he loves me I am really struggling now with my faith and understanding what can I do?

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//My pastor was caught having an affair with the secretary//

Facts are not judgmental material.

I take it one of them is married?

So it is an affair. Facts.

Scandalous as well because their selfish act has put an doubt in your Faith in Jesus.

BTW, why would you punish Jesus for the Pastor's action?

What did Jesus do to you?

//God loves him just like he loves me//

Then love the Pastor and the Secretary as well.

Maybe you can help them to stop so they don't go to hell.

//I am really struggling now with my faith and understanding what can I do?---cat_neises 7/20/15

Leave the Church and find another Church with a Faithful Pastor who respect marriage vows.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/13/16


It is a common one FOR PASTORS to have an affair.

What does the Bible say?

Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. (James 3:1)

"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?" (1 Corinthians 5:12)

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. (Romans 2:1)

"The overseer is to be above reproach," (1 Timothy 3:2-4)

Since an overseer manages Gods household, he must be blameless. (Titus 1:7)
---mike4879 on 9/11/16


The Bible warns us in Jude that evil leaders will be the church so we need to beware that it can happen.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/20/16


You should be strong in your faith what you see others do or here should not even phase you. You should not let the world manipulate you. All humans fall short of the glory of God. Whatever this man did he will have to answer for it if he does not repent. And being a preacher or anyone who preaches the gospel are held to a higher standard by the Lord.
---Lee on 5/19/16


someone who is showing a recorded televised church service in a church has to press PLAY on the VCR too.--StrongAxe

No, the Pastor of the Church is not even talking, but pressing a button on a VCR or DVD player.

You see the person talking and know it came from him on the VCR/DVD

But watching a DVD sermon isn't Mass. It is Sunday School/Education at best.

Don't even need the Pastor.


The letters read out loud in the home first and then they celebrated the 'breaking of the bread.'

There was a Priest who celebrated the whole Mass.

Read the known Scriptures and broke bread.

They might have read Paul's letter after services. Who knows.

Certain letters became part of the NT later on.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/7/15




Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: StrongAxe, you can't twist Paul's letters into a media form.
Someone in the Church had to read the letters as it is done today.


And someone who is showing a recorded televised church service in a church has to press PLAY on the VCR too. Same difference.

The point I was making to Cluny is that Paul was communicating to people by parchment (a form of media) but he couldn't directly minster to them, pray for the, baptize them, etc. from a prison cell hundreds of miles away, any more than televangelists can from a transmitter several hundred miles away.
---StrongAxe on 12/6/15


StrongAxe, you can't twist Paul's letters into a media form.
Someone in the Church had to read the letters as it is done today.

Paul isn't the head of the Church just because his letter is read.
Nor is he in control or celebrating the Mass.

You can be the topic of the party and not even be at the party.
How can you say you were part of the party just because you were talked about?

Paul was in his cell and he had no choice but through written form to communicate to the Churches.

That is God's Wisdom.

Do we know what Paul said to the Churches during the many years he stayed with them? No.

Mostly (not all) the letters written are with us today because Paul was in Jail.
All part of God's Glory.
---Nicole_Lacey on 12/5/15


Thanks for clearing that up Cluny. It must be true simply because you said so.
---Jed on 12/3/15


The Pastor must own up and admit to and confess his sin.

He must see it as the sin it is before Almighty GOD and then either REPENT or apostatize.

He cannot, should not, remain behind the Pulpit while in this sin.

The Office of the Pastor is for those who are truly following GOD and walking in Love and Holiness before GOD and man.
---Gordon on 12/3/15


\\Wrong. Jesus founded no organization\\

Yes, He did.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/15




Hi Cat,

We must all remember that even Pastors are just men. (Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God, (KJV)
Even pastors are sinners. As mortal men they are subject to temptation just like everyone else, however, they should be held to a higher standard. A man that caught in an affair should not be allowed to lead the sheep.

1Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach, (KJV)

Your pastor is not blameless and should be removed from his position in the church.

Although this man sinned this does not take away from the greatness of our God!
---trey on 12/2/15



The earthly part of the Church (howsoever one defines "church") IS an organization founded by Jesus Christ. Part of its ministry are the things I listed.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 12/1/15


Wrong. Jesus founded no organization or denomination. The only thing that Jesus founded was His Church, which is the universal body of believers in Him, not to be confused with any denomination or religious organization who claims to be the only "real" church. He certainly didn't found your "Church" organization.
---Jed on 12/2/15


Cluny:

You said: Can a media church baptize its converts?

Can a media church celebrate the Eucharist?

Can a media church anoint the sick or bury the dead?

Can a media church perform marriages?

Can a media church ordain new ministers?

A "media church" can do NONE of these things, because a "media church" is NO CHURCH AT ALL!


Inasmuch as the written word is a form of media, one could also say that Paul writing epistles from his jail cell in Rome was a "media" ministry, but rather than dismiss it (validly) for all the reasons you said above, we embrace it as one of the cornerstones of our faith.
---StrongAxe on 12/1/15


\\A mere building, organization, or denomination is no church at all.\\

Wrong.

The earthly part of the Church (howsoever one defines "church") IS an organization founded by Jesus Christ. Part of its ministry are the things I listed.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/15



A "media church" can do NONE of these things, because a "media church" is NO CHURCH AT ALL!

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 11/30/15


Perhaps a better term then is "Media Ministry". Media can be used as a tool in a ministry to reach out to the lost and Christians alike. The Church is the universal body of believers in Jesus Christ. The Church is the body of Christ, and He doesn't wear labels like "orthodox", "catholic", or "protestant". A mere building, organization, or denomination is no church at all.
---Jed on 12/1/15


\\They have a large "media church" made up of people who are watching JSM telecasts on SBN which is JSM's television station in Baton Rouge.\\

Can a media church baptize its converts?

Can a media church celebrate the Eucharist?

Can a media church anoint the sick or bury the dead?

Can a media church perform marriages?

Can a media church ordain new ministers?

A "media church" can do NONE of these things, because a "media church" is NO CHURCH AT ALL!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/30/15


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No one has commented here for a while so please forgive me if I'm out of place.

Matthew 7:24-29 also I Timothy 3:1-10.
If I was to live in sin or blatently sin I sure hope people will love me and care enough about my soul to not go easy on me or my sin. If I reject their help or give insincere repentance for outward show then woe to me, for surely God will stand in judgement against me.
(I Kings 14:14-16)

No one is without sin, but we are not asking for the death of the sinner as they did with the woman caught in adultry ... only a blameless church leader as God sets forth as a requirement in His Word. And we need to make sure we're harder on ourselves than anyone else lest there be a beam in our own eye (Matthew 7:1-6).
---Ruthanna on 10/31/15


andreea wrote: "Stephen there is a great difference between preaching from a pulpit (as a living) and 'preaching' by giving testimoney to God's love in a private chat."

The first, "preaching from a pulpit (as a living)," you are talking about denominational "churches" which are false churches. Satan has had over 2,000 years to infiltrate and divide christiandom up into over 60,000 denominations each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. Is Christ divided?

The second, "testimoney to God's love in a private chat," is the true way of growing God's true church.
---Steveng on 8/17/15


Stephen there is a great difference between preaching from a pulpit (as a living) and 'preaching' by giving testimoney to God's love in a private chat. Yes we are all sinners but God has placed preachers in a specific role. They are different and if they cannot live to God's standards they should step down and work in a factory or run a corner shop or something else but they should not be preaching and committing adultery at the same time.
---andreea on 8/17/15


You people are so hypocritical.

If one is without sin cast the first stone. All of us sin and we still preach the word of God. These blogs attest to that.

We are all brothers and sisters, if one falls from grace, no matter who it is, what does the bible say to do? Approach him one-on-one and discuss the situation. If he doesn't listen then bring in a witness to discuss the situation with the pastor. If he still doesn't listen then bring him up in front of the congregation. If he repents and sins no more, you have done your duty and saved a soul from hell. Doing so will also wipe out many of your sins.
---Steveng on 8/16/15


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You should judge him & have him removed if he currently is still doing this. Scripture shows that a bishop (another word for pastor) should be married to 1 wife. otherwise no one on the side.If he is not removed I would find a church that sticks to scripture. Now if he did this in the past & no longer does it & came forward with repentance then yes there can be forgiveness.
---candice on 8/13/15


GOD through the Bible warned us that agents of Satan will be in our churches. We are to understand that this will happen. Tares will grow with the wheat.

Jude 1:12

These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds, trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots,

Read the little book of Jude.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/1/15


Leon, you have asked Cat 8 questions but have given her absolutely no answer.

If you have no answer to Cat's question I think you are being unfair in participating in this blog.

This website is not meant to be used to interrogate an asker.
---Rita_H on 7/29/15


///My pastor was caught having an affair with the secretary I was shocked and judgmental but who am I to judge and God loves him just like he loves me I am really struggling now with my faith and understanding what can I do?
---cat_neises on 7/20/15//

Who caught him? What do you mean by "affair"? Who caught him? Is he married? How is it that your pastor's alleged affair has had such a profound impact upon your faith & understanding? Shocked & judgmental? Were you vocal about the matter? Do you have personal feelings for him?
---Leon on 7/27/15


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I get Bro. Swaggert's magazine and it says he's thriving.
---learner2 on 7/27/15


In 1986, I caught Swaggart teaching defective Christology. I said at the time, "Unless he repents, you will hear within two years that he's involved in a moral scandal."

I also recall his saying, "Everyone knows how immoral Catholic priests are." Yet the first church scandal involved A of G ministers.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/24/15


You can absolutely judge him, he is your pastor in a leadership role, and he betrayed your trust. Read 1 Tim. conditions and qualities of being an elder. He should also be removed from office. Judging is not a bad thing, judging and forgiveness are not exclusive, you can do both with grace and wisdom. judging makes us evaluate our relationships and actions. Forgiveness does not mean we turn a blind eye to things, but look to restore bitterness in our selves and look to restore that relationship in due time, if you choose to. You can also find a new church.
---Scott1 on 7/23/15


Cluny...Jimmy Swaggart Ministries is thriving. They have a large "media church"---KarenD on 7/22/15

I don't know what is your opinion of 'thriving'?
But, I remember Swaggart in the 80's. He was HUGE!

Cluny was being kind is saying 1/2 of his Church members left.

I believe he only has 1/3 at the most. And of that 1/3 only made 10% is from the original members in the 80's.
The others are people are new.

He has NEVER recovered from his sins.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/22/15


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If he gave in, one time, but then got corrected and is doing better, I think this is all you need to know.

However, you say he was "caught". If they were continuing this, deliberately and covering this up, I consider this would be betraying trust. And you can not really love anyone, while you are staying with betraying.

"Of course", I understand there are ones who on purpose arrange to get caught . . . for different reasons.

If he is a betrayer, and I can't tell the difference . . . this is not his fault. Jesus gives us sense as sheep, so we can smell who is a good shepherd who we belong with (c:
---Bill on 7/22/15


Cluny...Jimmy Swaggart Ministries is thriving. They have a large "media church" made up of people who are watching JSM telecasts on SBN which is JSM's television station in Baton Rouge. They also just raised over $4 million this last few days to fund the ministry. They do this fund raiser every month and succeed. Jimmy Swaggart repented years ago. They also have Assembly of God ministers on their programs on SBN. Donnie Swaggart (Jimmy's son) has a thriving ministry also as well as Frances Swaggart (Jimmy's wife). Donnie's son, Gabriel, is a Youth Minister who holds youth crusades all over the country and is reaching young people for Jesus. SBN is on DishNetwork and Direct TV.
---KarenD on 7/22/15


//pastor was caught having an affair with the secretary..//

In the workplace that could be sexual harassment. He should be gone from that position.
---Rod4Him on 7/21/15


I learned a long time ago not to be shocked or judgmental about anyone. All you can do for your pastor is pray for him.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/21/15


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//...I was shocked and judgmental..//

That's an appropriate response. However, a large part of that shock could be due to elevating "a pastor" to a place of honor/respect he/she shouldn't have. Yeshua will never let one down.
---Rod4Him on 7/21/15


\\Brother Jimmy Swaggart was caught with prostitutes twice. But he still has a thriving ministry. So I guess it's no big deal.
---learner2 on 7/20/15\\

He was also deposed by his own denomination, the Assemblies of God.

And his ministry is no longer thriving, as half of his church's members left.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/15


Yes Learner but who is he ministering to and who is being saved under such a ministry? If he has not repented God will deal with Him as He will not be mocked.

If J.S. has truly repented and been forgiven then a long period out of the ministry would have done more good that continuing I think but that's my personal feeling on this matter.
---Rita_H on 7/21/15


Hasn't your Pastor been honest with you all these years, proclaiming to be a sinner, thereby proclaiming to sin?

If he proclaims to sin, why are you shocked to discover, he sins?
---David on 7/21/15


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"struggling with your faith?" Because of what someone else did? Is your faith misplaced? Are you putting faith in your pastor instead of in God?
---NurseRobert on 7/21/15


Brother Jimmy Swaggart was caught with prostitutes twice. But he still has a thriving ministry. So I guess it's no big deal.
---learner2 on 7/20/15


The proverb, "Hate the sin, love the sinner" applies here.

Whether he is fit to continue public ministry is one issue (this would get him deposed in the Orthodox Church), but God's forgiveness and our not judging are different issues.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/15


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