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Explain Leviticus 19

I found this verse in Leviticus 19.

\\32 Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I am the Lord.\\

Is this a ceremonial law that has passed away, or a moral law that still applies.

Please explain why for either.

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But Monk Brendan Grace does not do away with the law.

Romams 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

What is the purpose of the law. 1. To lead us to Jesus. Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

It is also to tell what sin is. 1John 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The law does not save us. Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

We are saved by Grace. Galatians, Ephesians, Romans.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/29/15


Samuel BB said, "Romans 13:8-10. Leviticus 18 is about sexual sins. Do you believe it is okay to sleep with your sister? That is a law you are saying is done away with."

What I said is that we are not under the Law--only one Law, not two--and either we have to live it all--and be judged by the Law--or we are under Grace. If we are cooperating with His Grace, then any sin is forgivable, and none bring condemnation or death.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/28/15


Micha - My comments were to "all things are permissible (including sin)" stated by Scott 1.

Sin is only 'permissible' because we are not robots - we are humans with God given free will to sin if we so choose but not without the consequences of God's wrath if that is the path we choose. He desires a better way for us.
---Rita_H on 7/28/15


Good points Micha9344. One of the jobs of the law is to convict of sin. Yes we are to not just not steal but give away and help. Matthew 5.

Also GOD'S word never contradicts itself. So when we have the words do so. It is because our doctrine is incorrect.

I missed one of the groups of laws that don't apply to us today.

The Israelite Government regulations.

Agape. On Christ the solid rock I stand all other ground is shifting sand.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/27/15


/Yes, Paul said that BUT God starts 8 of HIS 10 commandments with the words THOU SHALT NOT. Paul's words are not more important than God's words.\-Rita_H on 7/26/15
All words in scripture are inspired by God.
They are all equally important for our belief and growth.
To pit Paul's words in scripture against Moses' words in scripture is fruitless, for they are all of God.
The Decalogue does what it is meant to do, convict unbelievers of their sin.
"Thou shalt not" is passive, nothing needs done to accomplish it.
The Spirit shows us a better way, active: love, feed, clothe, visit.
The 2 Laws of God are for the believer so the unbeliever can see.
Both are for the glory of God to bring all men to Himself.
---micha9344 on 7/26/15




Hello Monk Brendan

Even the pre-schism church taught that there were moral laws and ceremonial laws. The Ten Commandments were and are considered Moral laws. All laws that deal with love of GOD and others are Moral laws. Romans 13:8-10. Leviticus 18 is about sexual sins. Do you believe it is okay to sleep with your sister? That is a law you are saying is done away with.

Temple laws were Ceremonial.

Health laws we have discussed on another discussion.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/26/15


//Paul said it best when he said all things are permissible (including sin) however they are not all things benefitual.//

Where did Paul say "...sin is permissible?" You may be quoting where Paul is quoting a quote of the Corinthians.
---Rod4Him on 7/26/15


Scott 1 "Paul said it best when he said all things are permissible (including sin) however they are not all things beneficial. I am in no way saying sin should be glanced over nor ignored but sin has been defeated and we operate in righteousness."

Yes, Paul said that BUT God starts 8 of HIS 10 commandments with the words THOU SHALT NOT. Paul's words are not more important than God's words.

Consequences always follow unrepented sin.
---Rita_H on 7/26/15


Monk thanks for asking the question so I can clarify my statement. Moral law operates as God's wisdom to man, not rules. Paul said it best when he said all things are permissible (including sin) however they are not all things benefitual. I am in no way saying sin should be glanced over nor ignored but sin has been defeated and we operate in righteousness. To be subject to the law means I have to earn salvation by the law, which I agree with you, I am trying to bring the practical nature of the law.
We would all agree that taking wisdom from the older generation is wise. Same argument applies as when Paul realized that covertness is harmful in Romans Ch 6.
---Scott1 on 7/25/15


Scott said, " I would say this is moral law. This law obeyed or ignored many times in the Bible."

Why do some people think that there are two laws--the moral law and the ceremonial law? The Law is just that, the law--all 613 passages--not just the Ten commandments, but all of the Law. If you try to use just a part of the Law, you put yourself back under the law, and will be condemned by it. God has given us Grace through Jesus Christ!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/25/15




\\who is truly an example of righteousness,\\

Nothing in the verse about this.

You're adding to God's infallible word.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/24/15


Well, elsewhere, it says, "The hoary head is a crown of glory" . . . "If it is found in the way of righteousness." (Proverbs 16:31) So, I consider that Leviticus 19:32 means standing in honor of a senior man who is truly an example of righteousness, because we so deeply appreciate how his example has fed us.

So, now, even if we might not outwardly stand for a genuinely mature Christian senior, we need to make sure we spend time with our senior and mature example people, and learn from how they are becoming more and still more real with God and love any and all people and keep themselves from how this world would take us and mess us.
---Bill on 7/22/15


What of the law of love?
---chria9396 on 7/22/15


I would say this is moral law. This law obeyed or ignored many times in the Bible.

Exodus 20:12
1 Kings 12
Proverbs 1
1 & 2 Timothy and Titus listening to Paul
1 Samuel 3
---Scott1 on 7/21/15


//We are under grace..//

God has always been a God of Grace.
---Rod4Him on 7/21/15


Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Context of a verse is important. A verse out of context is a pretext is an old saying.

Romans 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 6:15
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

NASB Leviticus 19:32
You shall rise up before the grayheaded and honor the aged, and you shall revere your God, I am the LORD.

To be disrespectful and not fear GOD is a moral principal. Unless some say here that it is okay to disrespect old people and not honor GOD.

AGAPE
---Samuelbb7 on 7/21/15


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When Jesus died, He put to death the Law. We are under grace, and not law.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/21/15


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