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Sabbath A Day Of Worship

I met a young, mission oriented, SDA believer yesterday. He explained to me their beliefs on Sabbath worship. I asked him to show me where God made the Sabbath a day of worship. He couldn't. To those of you who believe as this young SDA, can you show me where God made the Sabbath a day of worship?

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\\Remember, resting on the Sabbath is worship and God rested on the Seventh Day and what did he command to be done on the Sabbath??\\

Why did God rest the seventh day?

**They are called RITES, and you are incorrect, they are all in UNION under Peter.**

Actually, Nicole, they are called Eastern Catholic CHURCHES (not the same thing as Orthodox), not "rites"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/29/15


Brendan,

Cyril of Jerusalem,


"This seal have thou ever on thy mind, which now by way of summary has been touched on in its heads, and if the Lord grant, shall hereafter be set forth according to our power, with Scripture proofs. For concerning the divine and sacred Mysteries of the Faith, we ought not to deliver even the most casual remark without the Holy Scriptures: nor be drawn aside by mere probabilities and the artifices of argument. Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures." [
---john9346 on 7/29/15


RCC didn't define scripture until 1546 cannon was all ready decided.-john9346 on 7/28
"John, AGAIN you speak what you DON'T KNOW:

CCC was defined not the Bible. Martin Luther was a Catholic Priest and had all 73 books of the Bible before he left the Catholic Church.


Nicole, the american catholic church,..the Papal Schism of the 14 century.---john9346 on 7/28

Note you wrote American Catholic Church.
That isn't the same as what I am which is The Catholic Church in America.

The rest are Protestants with a Catholic name.
Understand?

Orthodox is a Schism because they maintain their Priesthood since Jesus.
Look up the word 'Schism'
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/29/15


Strongaxe,

1. I am not SDA.

2. "The Bible is somewhat vague about what, exactly, "worship" means."
The biblical Definition was provided twice.

3. "why do you ask for more specific details?"
defining and knowing your terminology is vital in interpreting Scripture correctly my friend...

4. Isaiah 66:23 is prophetic of what the result of the cycles will bring which is the Sabbath.

5. Remember, resting on the Sabbath is worship and God rested on the Seventh Day and what did he command to be done on the Sabbath??
---john9346 on 7/29/15


Well David there is temptation at home too.--Samuelbb7 on 7/26/15

Samuel
What temptations do you have at your home, that a typical Jewish home would have had back in the days when they were under the Law?

Not that it was impossible to sin, but it was much easier for them to keep the Sabbath, Holy, if they didn't leave their homes.
---David on 7/29/15




John said, "Cluny, the church fathers were orthodox, but they did not teach or practice what is known as rcc or orthodox today. They were sola Scriptura."

Where did you get the idea that the Orthodox Church is sola Scriptura? The Orthodox Church believes in the traditions that were handed down from the Apostles--some of which was not written down in the Bible

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/29/15


john9346:

Isaiah 66:23 speaks of cycles (from one week to the next, from one month to the next), not of specific days. Will people make weekly, or even monthly trips to the holy mountain? The air traffic problems would be horrendous, especially since you would have to arrive before Friday sunset, and not leave until Saturday evening.

Again, back to the subject of this blog: Yes, the Sabbath was given and celebrated, but it NOT as a "day of worship" as such. Who worshiped whom on day 7 in Genesis 1? There is absolutely no mention of worship there.
---StrongAxe on 7/28/15


"Thank the RCC because they picked all 27 books of the New Testaments called Cannon."

Nicole, rcc didn't define scripture until 1546 cannon was all ready decided.

"John, you speak what you do not know.
They are called RITES, and you are incorrect, they are all in UNION under Peter.

Nicole, the american catholic church, Santeraknown or Regla de Och, divisions over vatacan 2, divisions of traditional and liberal catholics, and the Papal Schism of the 14 century.

"Of course. And they were Orthodox."

Cluny, the church fathers were orthodox, but they did not teach or practice what is known as rcc or orthodox today. They were sola Scriptura.
---john9346 on 7/28/15


Nicole, the bible existed long before roman catholicism Jesus and the apostles had the Old Testament Scriptures-John9346

So you don't have the New Testament in your Bible now?
If you do, thank the RCC because they picked all 27 books of the New Testaments called Cannon meaning 'list' into a nice book for you called the Bible.

Nicole, there are many catholic denominations and many disagreements in roman Catholicism.--john9346 on 7/28/15

John, you speak what you do not know.
They are called RITES, and you are incorrect, they are all in UNION under Peter.

You are confused. Go to the CCC and look up Rites in the Catholic Church.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/28/15


\\The orthodox wasn't until 1054 church fathers Ignatious, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, and Cyprian all taught from the New Testament Scriptures.\\

Of course. And they were Orthodox.

Where was YOUR church before 1054? We existed from 29 AD (or so).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/28/15




The 2 Perfect Institutions God gave to man is marriage and the Sabbath.

See Genesis 1:26-31 2:1-3

The Sabbath was given before sin/the curse entered the world, before the law of moses/ten commandments, and was celebrated before Sinai, and all nations the whole earth will worship the Lord Jesus on this same day see Isaiah 66:23 (prophetic).
---john9346 on 7/28/15


john9346:

You said: I am not sure how asking someone to define there terminology is interpreted to be judging...

The Bible is somewhat vague about what, exactly, "worship" means. When I say that I mean by it exactly as much (and as little) as the Bible means, why do you ask for more specific details? If you feel the need to challenge me on this, you must also feel the need to challenge the Bible on it first, and there I cannot help you.

But the SDA constant discussion of this subject (evidenced by how many blogs here seem to be either devoted to this subject, or hijacked to discussing this subject) shows that they consider it EXTREMELY important, and one cannot help but judge those who don't.
---StrongAxe on 7/28/15


"No Bible for 4 centuries." "Why? Because The Bible in bodied inside Church."

Nicole, the bible existed long before roman catholicism Jesus and the apostles had the Old Testament Scriptures.

"That's why there are more than 30,000 DIFFERENT Denominations of Protestant Churches."

Nicole, there are many catholic denominations and many disagreements in roman Catholicism.

"Which is odd, because nowhere does the Bible itself say that."

Cluny, Have you not read 1 Timothy 3:16-17, John 5:39, and 1 Corinthians 4:6?
The orthodox wasn't until 1054 church fathers Ignatious, Polycarp, Justin Martyr, and Cyprian all taught from the New Testament Scriptures.
---john9346 on 7/28/15


Samuel, that's your problem. If you only believe Bible only then you have to remember every verse because you forget Jesus' Words.

Matthew 23:1-12
Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, v.2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees SIT in Moses' SEAT. "Therefore WHATEVER THEY TELL YOU to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works, for they say, and do not do. "For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders.

Even the Jews had SOMEONE telling THEM WHAT to DO when they had their Bible and Jesus in their MIDST.

So, do we. It's called Peter's Chair.

Funny, there goes that word again: WHATEVER.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/28/15


Samuel BB said, "(Isaiah 66:23)
"And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me", saith the Lord.

On Sabbath we gather to worship the Lord."


One new moon to another--new moons don't come once a week, and always happen on Saturday. New moons come once a month, and will happen on any day of the week.

Therefore, the Scripture you
are citing is not relevant to your argument.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/28/15


Correct Nicole Do you keep Sunday holy?

When Jesus walked the earth there was a Bible and it was read every Sabbath. The Apostle's taught from it. So no Bible till the fourth century is a lie.

Early church fathers were already compiling lists of books for the New Testament. When the church met to decide what was scripture. All had to have been written in the first century.

Many Popes ruled by force, torture, and armies. The Schism created groups Roman Catholic, Easter Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox that by apostolic succession should be in agreement.

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

This is what I follow. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/28/15


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Which is the higher authority the Bible or the Pope..---Samuelbb7 on 7/27/15

So, Jesus FORGOT to leave the Bible before returning the right side of God the Father?

Oh right, HE LEFT the Church.

No Bible for 4 centuries.
Why? Because The Bible in bodied inside Church.

That's why there are more than 30,000 DIFFERENT Denominations of Protestant Churches.
Because NO ONE IS IN CHARGE.
One disagrees with your interpretation of the Bible and starts another Denomination

One of the most recent defenses of Sunday is Dies Domino by John Paul II. You should read it.---Samuelbb7 on 7/27/15

I have and St John Paul II is speaking about SUNDAY as the Sabbath.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/27/15


\\I believe the Bible is the final authority in all matters of faith and truth\\

Which is odd, because nowhere does the Bible itself say that.

In fact, the NT (that is, the Orthodox) church was functioning in all her fulness before ONE WORD of the NT was written down, as the Bible itself says.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/27/15


strongaxe,
I am not sure how asking someone to define there terminology is interpreted to be judging...
When we rest on the Sabbath, we are worshipping it is simultaneous not separate...

Joseph, resting on the Sabbath is worship it is part of the commandment. Leviticus 23:3 cant be an implication because it reinstates the other commandments see Genesis 2:1-3 Exodus 20:8-11, and Deuteronomy 5:12-15.

David, keeping the Sabbath is not bondage, but blessing.

Remember, the Sabbath was given during perfection before sin entered the world as well as Jesus and the apostles kept the Sabbath.
---john9346 on 7/27/15


Nicole_Lacey:

You said: Strongaxe, Jesus also said in John 6 that the Bread and Wine is TRULY HIS BODY AND BLOOD.

This connection is merely in subtance, not in form. To visual inspection, they are still bread and wine. Jesus said "I am the vine", yet he did not suddenly change into wood. He was the vine metaphorically, not biologically.

You don't believe Him

When have I ever said that?

That Whatsoever includes having Sunday as our Sabbath day.

The day of worship, but NOT the Sabbath. The Sabbath has alway been from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday. The name for "Saturday" in most European languages is either after the Roman god Saturn, or after the Sabbath.
---StrongAxe on 7/27/15


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Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances, for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace, ( if we have PEACE WITH GOD, having entered HIS REST through the cross, who are you to disturb that peace?????)

Ephesians 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Yes, God's Word is the final authority. The New Creature, something's so new and different, seated with Christ in heavenly places where there is no sun or moon or 24 hour days is not subject to ANY DAY, Saturday or Sunday. AND being under the Law of LIBERTY, LET NO MAN JUDGE YOU , so says Colossians 2, "GOD's WORD".
---kathr4453 on 7/28/15


StrongAxe: "There is no scripture that establishes Sunday as the Sabbath."

Excellent point! God made only the Sabbath holy. The Bible establishes Baptism - not Sunday - as the memorial of the Resurrection. Sunday was established by apostates well after the death of Jesus and ALL His disciples.

If the Bible is your standard of doctrine rather than man, then the Sabbath is the ONLY weekly holy day. Otherwise, the Muslims could be right about Friday.


---jerry6593 on 7/28/15


Well Nicole you are at the heart of the matter. Which is the higher authority the Bible or the Pope.

I believe the Bible is the final authority in all matters of faith and truth. All doctrines must agree with the Bible.

To me Peter would not command us to disobey GOD and substitute another day.

One of the most recent defenses of Sunday is Dies Domino by John Paul II. You should read it. Along with all who support Sunday as the new Shabbat.

Correct Strongax.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/27/15


Strongaxe, Jesus also said in John 6 that the Bread and Wine is TRULY HIS BODY AND BLOOD every which way He could explain it to us.

You don't believe Him, so why should you believe Him when HE gave Peter the keys to Heaven for WHATSOEVER Peter commands.

That Whatsoever includes having Sunday as our Sabbath day.

Sorry, Pope Francis has the Keys not you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/27/15


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Nicole_Lacey:

You said: Gordon, I observe Sunday as my Sabbath with Scripture reference. Matthew 16:18-19

Matthew 16:18-19:
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

All these say is that Jesus gave Peter authority. There is no scripture that establishes Sunday as the Sabbath.
---StrongAxe on 7/26/15


Isaiah 66, Zechariah 14 and Colossians 2.....all speak of a future time when Jesus will reign and rule on earth, and that's what means ..." "Shall come to pass,". " of things to come". Today we are not in the 1000 year reign, nor under it's laws. Colossians 2 make this very clear. The New creature is already seated with Christ in heavenly places in Christ. In heavenly places ....there are no days, or 24 hour periods of days.
---kathr4453 on 7/27/15


Well David there is temptation at home too. I have given my life to Jesus. He is in charge of my mind.

(Isaiah 66:23)
"And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me", saith the Lord.


On Sabbath we gather to worship the Lord.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/26/15


Monk: Making something and making it "holy" are not the same thing. Neither does making something very good make it "holy". Holiness is only conferred upon that which is specifically set apart by God as associated with God (e.g., "holy" ground).


Cluny: Peter said:

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify [make holy] the Lord God in your hearts:

If our hearts are set aside exclusively for the indwelling of Jesus (God), then they become "holy" ground because of Him - not because of us.

Find something that man can make holy by himself, and then we'll talk about Sunday sacredness.


---jerry6593 on 7/26/15


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Samuel
Perhaps it's the way you and I define the word "Holy".

I believe when God gave the command to keep the Sabbath, "Holy", he wanted us, for just one day a week, to live that day in reverence only to him. A day when we are not in the world, a world where we can be tempted.

I believe this is why God commanded folks to stay at home on this day. For if they stayed in their homes, and they could not see they the things in the world, they could not lust of the things in the world.

For example, when you leave your home on the Sabbath you will more than likely see an attractive woman during the day, and that may cause you to lust after her.

Lust is not a way to show reverence to God, is it?
---David on 7/26/15


Monk Brendan We are to be holy every day. But the only holy day set in the Ten Commandments is the Seventh day Sabbath. To follow that Commandment is to worship and rest on that day. Isiah 66:23 and the example of Jesus.

"I agree, and worship on the Sabbath day of rest is one of those legalistic rules." David

So you believe that GOD didn't write the Ten Commandments? Are all the Ten Commandments legalistic? Are they all done away with?

Paul disagrees. Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 12:8-10

Nicole so you believe in Sunday worship because a Pope said to?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/26/15


\\Man does not have the ability to make anything holy.\\

If this is so, jerry, why did St. Peter tell us to "Sanctify [make holy] the Lord Jesus Christ?"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/25/15


Gordon, I observe Sunday as my Sabbath with Scripture reference.

Matthew 16:18-19
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/25/15


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Jerry said, "The Bible records that God only made one day holy - the Seventh Day Sabbath. Man does not have the ability to make anything holy. He can only keep it holy by not defiling it. The Bible does record, however, that the Little Horn antichrist power would THINK to change times and laws (Dan 7:25)."

So, Sunday through Friday were not made by God? Anything that God has created is holy! Gen 1:31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morningthe sixth day.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/25/15


john9346:

You said: You are attempting to disproove the Weekly Sabbath based upon words that in context of Scripture prooves you wrong
see Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12-15.


What do you mean by "disprove"? I have not said the Sabbath isn't there. I have just been saying that it was a day of rest, NOT a day of worship.

Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12-15 all say a lot about rest, but NOTHING about worship.

Besides, Paul said that we should allow nobody to judge us based on which days we consider holy. Why do you judge me (and others) about the Sabbath?
---StrongAxe on 7/25/15


"it does in no way support the claim "Father never set aside a day for worship, He set apart a day for rest."

The Bible supports a day set apart for rest. Lev 23:3
It does not support a day set aside for worship.
It does support an implied continuous worship. Isa 66:23
---Josef on 7/25/15


Monk: "Gordon, what day is not holy, if God has made it?"

The Bible records that God only made one day holy - the Seventh Day Sabbath. Man does not have the ability to make anything holy. He can only keep it holy by not defiling it. The Bible does record, however, that the Little Horn antichrist power would THINK to change times and laws (Dan 7:25).


---jerry6593 on 7/25/15


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Many times the New Testament shows Jesus keeping Sabbath in a different way then legalistic added rules the Pharisees had added-Samuel

I agree, and worship on the Sabbath day of rest is one of those legalistic rules. Our worship of God is 24/7 under the New Covenant, not one day as many seem to believe.

Look at what the Prophet Isaiah said about the future worship of God.
(Isaiah 66:23)
"And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before Me", saith the Lord.
---David on 7/25/15


Monk Brendan In the Ten Commandments only the Seventh day Sabbath is declared to be Holy. We are to be holy every day. But only one is set aside in the Ten Commandments for Remembering Creation and looking to heaven. Hebrews4.

Isaiah 66:23
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

The Prophet Isiah calls us to worship on Sabbath. Jesus leads us by example by worshiping on Sabbath.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/25/15


If only the Saturday Sabbath is to be a day kept in a holy manner, on which day are we allowed to be UNholy, profane, and live according to our own desires?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/25/15


1. "The meanings of "qadash" come from "be separate". They speak of a purity and dedication from separation, not from any kind of "religious" function per se."
Could you show this distinction in context of Holy Scripture?

2. Joseph thanks for the meaning,however, it does in no way support the claim "Father never set aside a day for worship, He set apart a day for rest."

3. StrongAxe, pay attention to the definition of qadash and worship since you and cluny have been unable to do so.

You are attempting to disproove the Weekly Sabbath based upon words that in context of Scripture prooves you wrong
see Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12-15.
---john9346 on 7/24/15


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john9346:

As I keep saying, "worship" is conspicuously absent from that definition. Why don't YOU provide YOUR biblical definition (chapter and verse).


Gordon wrote: On the Sabbath Day, which is to be kept Holy, as per EXODUS 20:8, that is the time to worship GOD.

And other times are not? Also, I notice the total absence of the word "worship" in Exodus 20:8.

Besides: Romans 14:5:
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

And: Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
---StrongAxe on 7/24/15


Gordon said, "In the New Testament, throughout the Book of ACTS, it mentions the Sabbath Day. Distinguished from the "first day of the week", being Sunday.

On the Sabbath Day, which is to be kept Holy, as per EXODUS 20:8, that is the time to worship GOD.

What a better way to make it a Holy Day."


Gordon, what day is not holy, if God has made it?

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 7/24/15


qadash:

to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate
(Qal)
to be set apart, be consecrated
to be hallowed
consecrated, tabooed
(Niphal)
to show oneself sacred or majestic
to be honoured, be treated as sacred
to be holy
(Piel)
to set apart as sacred, consecrate, dedicate
to observe as holy, keep sacred
to honour as sacred, hallow
to consecrate
(Pual)
to be consecrated
consecrated, dedicated
(Hiphil)
to set apart, devote, consecrate
to regard or treat as sacred or hallow
to consecrate
(Hithpael)
to keep oneself apart or separate
to cause Himself to be hallowed (of God)
to be observed as holy
---john9346 on 7/24/15


\\The meanings of "qadash" come from "be separate". They speak of a purity and dedication from separation, not from any kind of "religious" function per se.\\

Except for the Canaanite male and female cult prostitutes, who were called by some form of QADASH.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/24/15


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In the New Testament, throughout the Book of ACTS, it mentions the Sabbath Day. Distinguished from the "first day of the week", being Sunday.

On the Sabbath Day, which is to be kept Holy, as per EXODUS 20:8, that is the time to worship GOD.

What a better way to make it a Holy Day.

The Sunday Church observers do not find Scriptural references for Sunday worship.
---Gordon on 7/24/15


(Matthew 12:1) David

They were traveling and for some reason had no prepared food to eat. But being with Jesus and doing his business could not wait. So instead of fasting they ate a small amount of Grain. Is my guess.

But Jesus did not really give an answer to those who accused him of Sabbath breaking. Instead He asserted his position as who he was for doing so.

Many times the New Testament shows Jesus keeping Sabbath in a different way then legalistic added rules the Pharisees had added.

Healing others for one thing. Which is why we often go to help people on Sabbath. My Daughter spent a number of Sabbaths helping at the nearby Salvation army center.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/24/15


John the Bible seems to focus on what the worshipper does in the natural, rather than what the worshipper experiences spiritually. Worship is defined as a reflexive prostrating oneself in homage to someone or something one feels is superior to oneself, whether the Father, false god, angel, or man. A bowing down in a show of reverence or obeisance.
---Josef on 7/24/15


John, worship, is a reliance upon Father's Spirit to lead one into all truth, and empower one to live out that truth. We worship the Father in our reliance upon Him, in our submission to His Spirit in humility and reverence, in our standing in awe of who He is.
---Josef on 7/24/15


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1. Joseph could you provide the Biblical Definition for worship?

2. Cluny my friend, biblically qadash is never separate from worship and worship is never from qadash. Now I understand why you and strongaxe are unable to provide the Biblical Definition of worship...

3. "No, it doesn't. It means the LAST DAY of a festal week has the privileges--and duties--of the weekly Sabbath, with the addition of a gathering, not required in the 4th commandment."
Cluny, the weekly Sabbath is a festival see verse 2 of Leviticus 23.
---john9346 on 7/23/15


1. Joseph could you provide the Biblical Definition for worship?

2. Cluny my friend, biblically qadash is never separate from worship and worship is never separate from qadash.
Now I understand why you and strongaxe are unable to provide the Biblical Definition of worship...

3. "No, it doesn't. It means the LAST DAY of a festal week has the privileges--and duties--of the weekly Sabbath, with the addition of a gathering, not required in the 4th commandment."
Cluny, the weekly Sabbath is a festival see verse 2.
---john9346 on 7/23/15


Yes David all those I know do so. But I cannot vouch for everyone. But it is taught that we should do so.---Samuelbb7 on 7/23/15

Samuel
Hmmm...I didn't know that, that's very interesting. If you believe in keeping this part of the Sabbath, why do you think Jesus allowed his disciples to gather food on the Sabbath in (Matthew 12:1)?
---David on 7/24/15


john9346:

And for the third time, I answer - that I mean whatever the Bible means by it. If you find this answer vague, that means you find the Bible itself vague, and I cannot help you.

All these statements establishes a Weekly Sabbath Day Commandment.

Yes, "the sabbath", but NOT "weekly sabbath worship".

The meanings of "qadash" come from "be separate". They speak of a purity and dedication from separation, not from any kind of "religious" function per se.

Tell me where the Bible gives a dictionary definition of the word "qadash", or any other word. This is why we have concordances, dictionaries, etc.
---StrongAxe on 7/24/15


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Josef, Cluny apparently your posts were placed in before mine posted. Since mine shows the Sabbath was to be a day of worship.

Levitical 23:3

Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation, ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

This is the Sabbath of the Ten Commandments not one of the week long festival days. So your statement is incorrect Cluny.

The main Jewish Biblical Holy-days are Passover, Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur.

Sometimes parts of them are on Shabbat or Sabbath in English.

Each of these Holy-days have a special significance that we should know as Christians. Do you know their meaning?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/24/15


Father never set aside a day for worship, He set apart a day for rest. "Jesus said to her, The hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipper shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." Worship should be a continuous occurrence, making the day or place irrelevant.
---Josef on 7/23/15


\\3. Qadash is always used Biblically in referring to the service of God.

qadash meaning
to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate \\

But it doesn't mean "worship."

Did you actually think it did?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/23/15


Yes David all those I know do so. But I cannot vouch for everyone. But it is taught that we should do so.

Psalms 132:7
We will go into his tabernacles: we will worship at his footstool.

Isaiah 66:23
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Ezekiel 46:3
Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.

The Seventh day Sabbath commemorates creation.

Heb 4:4
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/23/15


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\\Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation, ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

This verse specifies keeping the Seventh day Sabbath.
\\

No, it doesn't. It means the LAST DAY of a festal week has the privileges--and duties--of the weekly Sabbath, with the addition of a gathering, not required in the 4th commandment.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/23/15


strongaxe and cluny,

1. For the third time what is your definition of worship?

2. There are specific Sabbaths for specific Holidays,however, they are always spelled out in connection to that holiday.

Verse 3 of Leviticus 23 is reinstating the same found in Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, and Deuteronomy 5:12-15.


All these statements establishes a Weekly Sabbath Day Commandment.

3. Qadash is always used Biblically in referring to the service of God.

qadash meaning
to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate


Who needs google when the bible can tell us what it means??
---john9346 on 7/23/15


Samuel
Does the Seventh Day Adventist prepare their meals a day in advance of the Sabbath, as it is written?
---David on 7/23/15


john9346:

You said: there are Specific Sabbaths for the Holidays, but they are all spelled out...

Precisely. This is NOT talking about the weekly Sabbath, which is the topic of this blog.

I am still waiting for your definition of worship?

I already said I mean it the same way the Bible means it. If you don't know what THAT means, I can't help you.

So qadash (set apart) in Biblical Context does not mean what it means which is worship

Please show me where you get the idea that "qadash" means "worship". "qadesh" and "qedeshah" (same root) mean "dedicated temple prostitute". The root meaning is "separate". Google it.
---StrongAxe on 7/23/15


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Cluny and strongAxe,

1. Yes, there are Specific Sabbaths for the Holidays, but they are all spelled out according to that day see verses 7, 15, 16, 24, 32, and 39 of Leviticus 23.

2. Leviticus 23:2-3 is not in context of a Specific Holiday.

3. I am still waiting for your definition of worship?

4. So qadash (set apart) in Biblical Context does not mean what it means which is worship laughing out loud lol
---john9346 on 7/22/15


Why did ya'll not read verse 3.

Leviticus 23:3

Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation, ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

This verse specifies keeping the Seventh day Sabbath.

Again Jesus went to Church every Sabbath. Are you saying he was wrong for doing so?

Thank you Bill and John good points.

Yes KarenD I have talked to a number of Pastors who actually keep Sabbath. What I don't understand is why they don't tell their congregations to do so.

In Jerusalem a number of Baptists churches hold Service on Sabbath. It makes their life easier.

Lastly Sunday used to be called Sabbath.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/22/15


john9346:

You asked: Have you not read Leviticus 23:2 noticed the words Holy Convocations (speaks of gatherings).

Leviticus 23:2:
Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

I.e. special holy days, NOT weekly sabbaths

StrongAxe and Cluny would you please provide your definition of worship?

I use the same definition the Bible uses. If anyone uses a different definition, HE should provide it.

Exodus 20 8 and 11 Leviticus 23:2 the Hebrew Word qadash is worship qadash is sacred.

QDSH means holy, i.e. set apart, NOT worship
---StrongAxe on 7/22/15


\\Have you not read Leviticus 23:2 noticed the words Holy Convocations (speaks of gatherings).\\

But these were not every Sabbath, but only the Sabbath that fell in a festal week.

||4. I am not SDA, but I am Sola Scriptura and Tota Scriptura.\\

That would mean you use incense when you worship and believe that the bread and wine are truly the Body and Blood of Christ.

I'll bet you're not really Tota Scriptura, but pick and choose.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/22/15


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Try resting on the Sabbath (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset). Don't even use your computer or other electronics. Read. Pray. Meditate. Works pretty good. Prepares me for Sundays which is definitely not a day of rest if you are pastoring.
---KarenD on 7/22/15


Well, if the people were working, all week, they might not be worshiping during those work days. So, it could be a "natural" result, that worship would be on the day of rest, including because now their attention would be more to God, than to their work work work.

And the commandment says not to work because God made all things in six days and rested on the seventh. So, the command is calling attention to God, and this can result in worshiping Him as the One who made all things.

And loving your servant as yourself, by wanting rest for your servant, also, is worship, I consider, by so loving (c:
---Bill on 7/22/15


1. David you said, "the Sabbath was established as a Day of Rest, not one to gather for worship."
Have you not read Leviticus 23:2 noticed the words Holy Convocations (speaks of gatherings).

2. StrongAxe and Cluny would you please provide your definition of worship?

3. Exodus 20 8 and 11 Leviticus 23:2 the Hebrew Word qadash is worship qadash is sacred.

4. I am not SDA, but I am Sola Scriptura and Tota Scriptura.
---john9346 on 7/22/15


\\What better way to keep the day Holy then to follow the example of Jesus in worshiping at church on Sabbath? Are you saying they are wrong to hold services on the day GOD set aside for sacred activities.\\

But there's nothing in this verse that says it's reserved for sacred activities.

"Holy" at this time merely meant "set apart."

There were services TWICE daily (not just on the Sabbath) in the Tabernacle, Temples, and in the Synagogues. There still are in Traditional and most Conservative shuls.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/22/15


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Are you saying they are wrong to hold services on the day GOD set aside for sacred activities.---Samuelbb7

Samuel
Your argument is with God, not me, for he was the one who established the Sabbath Law. I appreciate your zeal, but you really need to study the Sabbath Law without letting the SDA doctrine guide you.

As Cluny and Strongaxe pointed out, the Sabbath was established as a Day of Rest, not one to gather for worship.

If God made the Sabbath a Day of worship and not for a Day of rest, as he proclaims in (Exodus 23:12), please explain (Exodus 16:29) ....Let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
---David on 7/22/15


Samuelbb7:

You said: Exo 20:8-11 ... Leviticus 23:3

Niether of these scriptures mentions anything about worship.

What better way to keep the day Holy then to follow the example of Jesus in worshiping at church on Sabbath?

What example? All the references I could find about Jesus and synagogues and the sabbath are him teaching there. Can you show anywhere where it said that he worshipped there?

Are you saying they are wrong to hold services on the day GOD set aside for sacred activities.

As Paul pointed out in Romans 14:5, it is perfectly fine to worship on any day, so Saturday, Sunday, or even Wednesday should both acceptable, and nobody should judge anyone else otherwise.
---StrongAxe on 7/21/15


Hi david,

Thanks for your question.

The following scriptures will answer your question.

Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 16:23-30, 20:8-11, 31:13-17, Leviticus 23:1-3, Deuteronomy 5:12-15, Mark 2:23-28, and Luke 12:1-6.

Please see Isaiah 66:15-24 since the Sabbath Commandment is to all and for all to obey...


May Yahweh guide you,

John
---john9346 on 7/21/15


Exo 20:8-11
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

What better way to keep the day Holy then to follow the example of Jesus in worshiping at church on Sabbath? Are you saying they are wrong to hold services on the day GOD set aside for sacred activities.

Leviticus 23:3
---Samuelbb7 on 7/21/15


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\\My understanding is that the word Sabbath comes from the word Worship.\\

Nope. It's from the word meaning "cessation".

Many European languages use some phonetic form of it to mean "Saturday".

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/21/15


My understanding is that the word Sabbath comes from the word Worship.

God told Moses to tell Pharaoh to let my people have a day to Worship Him.

That was God's first request.

Pharaoh said no, so God released them and instructed them to always have a day of worship of Him which is the Sabbath for the Jewish Nation.
---Nicole_Lacey on 7/21/15


I have repeatedly pointed out that the Sabbath commandment is about rest from labor--and enforced rest that extended even to one's slaves and farm animals.

There is NOTHING about worship in the Decalogue.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/21/15


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