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Why Ten Commandments

Why did God give mankind the 10 commandments? Was it so He could show His sovereignty by punishing forever those who disobey?

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Moses recorded what he knew about best.---therese on 8/24/15

The first 10 commandment were written by God Himself.

Moses broke them in angry, and wrote a copy on the 2nd.

We do know that God didn't give Adam and Eve descendants until after they left the Garden of Eden.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/25/15


\\Remember, the dogmas of rcc and orthodox "churches" developed over time not for 2000 years.\\

Tell me one of the modern doctrines of the Orthodox Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/15


therese:

You said: It is obvious the 10 commandments were known by mankind (Cains punishment) before Moses was given them written on stone.

Some of them, but not all of them. The Code of Hammurabi, centuries older than the Bible, mentions several of them. Rabbis taught that the whole world should respect "the Noahide Laws" they say were given to Noah. Yet NO nations other than Israel had any mention of the first 4 commandments in their laws.

It is generally believed that Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible.

Although this cannot be totally true, as some events (i.e. his own death) took place after his death, as it is described in the past tense, and not prophecy.
---StrongAxe on 8/25/15


It is obvious the 10 commandments were known by mankind (Cains punishment) before Moses was given them written on stone.

Here is food for thought. It is generally believed that Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible.

He was present when God gave the 10 commandments on Mount Sinai in such spectacular fashion and not when Adam and Eve were instructed. It was probably not known exactly when God gave Adam and Eve and their descendants these rules for harmonious living.

Moses recorded what he knew about best.
---therese on 8/24/15


Brendan you said, "
True, but as he was writing in the 2nd century AD, the only Christians were Orthodox/Catholic." "He was never given the revelation that Christianity would end up in thousands of different flavors."

Yes, and the orthodox/catholics did not teach what catholics and orthodox believe today.

Remember, the dogmas of rcc and orthodox "churches" developed over time not for 2000 years.

Also, there were many "flavors" during Ignatius's Time as there has always been...
---john9346 on 8/24/15




No Problem. I will follow this rule. Let us see where in the Bible does it tell people to pray to statues for dead people? Chapter and verse please. --Samuelbb7

It doesn't and YOU SHOULD NOT Worship any one or thing but God Himself.

You do know just because you claim I worship anyone else but God it doesn't mean I do.

If you had such powers, I would ask you to call me a Billionaire or the President of the United States.

Life isn't that simple, sorry.

Now the instructions were to please tell me WHERE in Genesis did God gave Adam and Eve the 10 Commandments.

Just as I answered you, please stop dodging around and give me answer.

"I can't find the chapter or verse." Is an answer.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/24/15


IF IT ISN'T THE BIBLE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, not us Catholics. Please follow your RULES) Nicole_Lacey


No Problem. I will follow this rule. Let us see where in the Bible does it tell people to pray to statues for dead people? Chapter and verse please.

True Strong Ax. It is not mentioned. In fact none of the first four from Exodus 20 are stated word for word.

My Point about the Sabbath Commandment Exodus 20:8-11 is that the reason for Sabbath keeping is what GOD did in Genesis 1,2.

Isaiah 56:6
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,
---Samuelbb7 on 8/24/15


Samuebb7:

You wrote: Nicole GOD set a day as Holy. So why would he not tell Adam? That he set a day as Holy.

Then it's curious that the Bible never mentions him giving anyone that commandment, not Adam, not Enoch, not Noah, not Abraham... not until Exodus. Some laws (e.g. prohibitions against murder, theft, etc.) were universal, and have been observed by all societies, whether Jewish or not, but the Sabbath law was only observed by the Jews, and only came into common observance in other cultures later via Christianity.
---StrongAxe on 8/24/15


Samuel, please follow the instructions.

Adam and Eve are not in the book of Exodus, but pretty CLEVER since they were escorted from the Garden.

Again: If you disagree, please as well give numbers not words.
Chapter and Verse while in the GARDEN.---Nicole_Lacey on 8/22/15

Nicole GOD set a day as Holy. So why would he not tell Adam?

(Everything is holy in the Garden, no sin. So no need to tell them to rest.
But, it is you all who claim IF IT ISN'T THE BIBLE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, not us Catholics. Please follow your RULES)

In the Sabbath Commandment it reads. (I know the Commandment, I read Exodus)

Exodus 20:8-11---Samuelbb7 on 8/22/15

CHAPTER AND VERSE IN GENESIS BEFORE GETTING KICKED OUT.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/23/15


The first word of the Sabbath commandments starts with "remember." Therefore, the commandment was issued before it was written on tablets.
---Steveng on 8/23/15




Nicole GOD set a day as Holy. So why would he not tell Adam? That he set a day as Holy.

In the Sabbath Commandment it reads.

Exodus 20:8-11

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The reason for Sabbath is from the days of Adam. Not Moses.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/22/15


Freshen up on your Bible reading folks. The 10 Commandments were given to MOSES, NOT ABRAHAM.

Jerry,
1. As I said to Micha, Protestants use the Douay Bible against Catholics.
It was translated 4 Centuries ago.
Can you do better than that?

2. Cain WAS NOT in the Garden of Eden in your Bible or the Douay Bible you selected for Catholics, even though you all believe we don't read the Bible. Odd isn't it?

3. Please give Chapter and Verse of the 10 Commandments given to Adam and Eve WHILE IN THE GARDEN. Numbers not words please.

Samuel, God rested on the Sabbath. He didn't tell Adam and Eve to rest on the Sabbath.
If you disagree, please as well give numbers not words.
Chapter and Verse while in the GARDEN.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/22/15


Nicole: "No 10 commandments given to Adam and Eve, only 2."

Really? Then why was Cain in trouble for murdering his brother? What were those commandments given to Abraham? Certainly not eating from the wrong tree.

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

God's 10 Commandments are eternal. Your Douay Bible even lists them correctly, but your Catechism does not.


---jerry6593 on 8/22/15


No 10 commandments given to Adam and Eve, only 2.
Please list the other 8 if you believe they exist. Nicole_Lacey

Remember the Sabbath day.

Genesis 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Eve Coveted the fruit before taking it. The Tree was not to be touched. So she stole. No one was ever supposed to worship images or use GOD's name as a swear word. Cain murdered Abel. They dishonored their father.

The principal of the Ten Commandments are love GOD and love others. Do you think those principals were not in place from all eternity?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/22/15


John said, "When you read Ignatius usage of catholic, he meant it in its context of general/universal."

True, but as he was writing in the 2nd century AD, the only Christians were Orthodox/Catholic

He was never given the revelation that Christianity would end up in thousands of different flavors

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 8/21/15


Since you ask Strongaxe, I am very HAPPY to answer you.

The 2nd command which was the 1st actually was in Genesis 1:28-30
God blessed them saying: "Be fertile and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it . Have dominion over the fish....

Or in the 2nd story of Creation Genesis 2:15
The Lord God then took the man and settled him in the garden of Eden to CULTIVATE AND CARE for it.

Note: They had a mission. WORK!

It wasn't a bad thing until Genesis 3:17-19 esp. V19
By the sweat of your face shall you get bread to eat, until you return to the ground,...

Suggesting work was EASY for Adam in the garden.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/21/15


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Nicole_Lacey:

You said: No 10 commandments given to Adam and Eve, only 2.
Please list the other 8 if you believe they exist.


I am only aware of "don't eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil". What's the other one?
---StrongAxe on 8/21/15


Steveng, there is no evidence in the entire Old Testament that God ever condemned or chastened gentiles for not keeping any part of the Law.
---learner2 on 8/21/15


Steveng you said, "The colloquial use of the word "catholic" means the denomination of RCC."
Steveng, when the word catholic was first used, the rcc wasn't even around besides shouldn't we allow Ignatius to define his own terms??
---john9346 on 8/21/15


Cluny:

You said: StrongAxe: I was merely pointing out that not all professing Christians agree doctrinally. And the Trinity is NOT a minor point.

Neither is the Eucharist, but that issue has already been discussed to death here.


Yes, but are either of these beliefs SO vital that believing about them incorrectly will toss one into hell? I would think not. Otherwise, why is scripture speak about them so scantily that such major debates about them can occur because of the ambiguities, while it speaks so repetitively about other important issues?
---StrongAxe on 8/21/15


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Dear Cluny

I don't know what is in the hearts of others. What they know or have been through. I cannot see all they do in secret. I don't know their thoughts.

But I do know mine.

2Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith, prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

I do examine myself and pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal to me my weakness.

I believe on the LORD JESUS CHRIST and trust Him. I am saved by the promises He has made. He is my LORD and SAVIOR.

I actually do love others and love GOD.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/21/15


If your spouse tells you not to have an affair does he or she have to break it down for you?

And if they do break it down for you, but leaves out a certain group of people such as red heads, does that mean your spouse doesn't mind as long as it a red head???

Your 1 & 2 commandment is the same.

What part of NO OTHER gods BEFORE ME that is confusing to you all?
No money, no statues, no family members, no trees, the earth, gold and etc.

Steveng, Cain was not in the Garden of Eden. That is why the Angel with the sword is stationed in front the gate.

No 10 commandments given to Adam and Eve, only 2.
Please list the other 8 if you believe they exist.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/21/15


\\To me GOD knows who are true Christian and catholic and knows all the fakes who are hypocrites. It is not my job to figure out which is which\\

Then how do YOU know you're a true Christian, Samuel?

StrongAxe: I was merely pointing out that not all professing Christians agree doctrinally. And the Trinity is NOT a minor point.

Neither is the Eucharist, but that issue has already been discussed to death here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/20/15


There are many who make the case Oneness Pentecostals, J.Witnesses and Latter day Saints are not Christians.

To me GOD knows who are true Christian and catholic and knows all the fakes who are hypocrites. It is not my job to figure out which is which.

Jesus will do that when he divides the wheat from the tares.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/20/15


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Cluny you said, "Not true. Oneness Pentecostals reject the doctrine of the Trinity, for example."

Yes, and they are not Christians just like the mormons, jehovah's witnesses, christian science, church of scientology, church of Christ, and the Way.
---john9346 on 8/20/15


It is very annoying when one posts a question on a certain subject and it is hijacked by bloggers to discuss another subject.

I really wanted bloggers to consider the question not the meaning of the word catholic.

Please post your own question.

Moderator, is it possible to only put on comments about the question.

I have stayed away from this site for quite a while because of this.
---therese on 8/20/15


learner2 wrote: "The Ten Commandments were given only to Israel, not to the nations."

God chose the Israelite to go out into the world and spread the knowledge of God. The Israelites thought it was only for them and didn't do what God commanded, thus the trouble they always had. The Ten Commandments were not only for the Israelites, but for the whole world in which the Israelites were the messengers of God's word.
---Steveng on 8/20/15


Cluny:

You wrote: Not true. Oneness Pentecostals reject the doctrine of the Trinity, for example.

So they believe that the Son is one and the same as the Father, rather than merely co-equal with him. Do you think that that aloe makes them worthy of hell? I don't. In all the scriptural verses that describe what constitutes salvation and damnation, such minor hair-splitting never seems to be mentioned.
---StrongAxe on 8/20/15


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All Christians are catholic? Hogwash. Just because man uses a word that means "universal" it doesn't mean all christians are catholic. In fact, catholics are not christian. The colloquial use of the word "catholic" means the denomination of RCC. The members of the catholic church believe in statues, praying repeated prayers, praying to dead people (saints), etc. The catholic church, as all denominations, are build by the hands of man, not God. The RCC is worth over seventeen trillion dollars including churches buildings, landscaping, and other hard and paper assets. And they need the money to maintain all these worldly assets.
---Steveng on 8/20/15


\\All Christians are catholic (e.g. they share certain universal beliefs).\\

Not true. Oneness Pentecostals reject the doctrine of the Trinity, for example.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/20/15


Samuel BB said, "When used of churches with a Capitol C. Means Roman Catholic."

Samuel, there are 23 different Churches who are in communion with Rome, but the style of their worship is quite different. For instance I am a Melkite Catholic. Our Church began in the Middle East. Then there are Ukrainian, Ruthinian, Byzantine, Syro-Malabar, and so on.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 8/20/15


Brendan you said, "So not all Christians are Catholic. (BTW, I trust Cluny on this, as he is much more of a Greek Scholar that I ever will be.)."

Brendan, words without context have no meaning.

When you read Ignatius usage of catholic, he meant it in its context of general/universal.
see, epistle to the Smyrnaeans chapter 8.

Christians will be afended to be called catholic because the majority of Christians don't even know where they came from

The following quote is so profound to this discussion:

"A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots."
---john9346 on 8/20/15


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Monk_Brendan:

You said: So not all Christians are Catholic.

This is because there is a difference between the general adjective "catholic" (meaning universal), and "Catholic" (a proper noun, representing a specific set of Christian groups). All Christians are catholic (e.g. they share certain universal beliefs). Not all Christians are Catholic. Some people eat apples. Some compute on Apples. Some cats are jaguars. Some cars are Jaguars. See the difference?
---StrongAxe on 8/20/15


Learner: 'The Ten Commandments were given only to Israel, not to the nations.'

True, but those 10 remained the basis of Christian law as well. Some became more important and some less, but the idea was they all remained.
---Peter on 8/20/15


To deny Eternal Punishment is to simply deny the nature of God.
God's Nature demands Eternal Punishment john9346 on 8/19/15

You mean God tells us love Him and others and then does something that is worse than what Hitler did.

No wonder there are atheists who reject christianity when this is a picture of our God put forward by many Christians.
---therese on 8/20/15


Yes Monk Brendan to call them Catholic would be an insult. But to say they are catholic is a title we as Seventh day Adventist gladly bear.
Wikitionary
Adjective

1.Universal, all-encompassing.

When used of churches with a Capitol C. Means Roman Catholic.

There is often confusion of this. People use them both as the same time.

But when properly used the first is an adjective as a modifier. The Second is a noun.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/20/15


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/If there were only two laws why was Cain cursed if there was not a law that says thous shalt not murder?\-Steveng on 8/19/15
Number 2: Love your neighbor
Why do you think Jesus called them the greatest?
/The whole Bible is for Christians.\-Samuelbb7 on 8/19/15
You lean on that 2Tim verse so often in defence of the Decalogue, yet ignore it when it comes to laws in the Bible ,that are also covered under that verse, that you say can be ignored.
2Tim 3:16 covers all, including the laws we are not under any more.
/Except you didn't put book, chapter and verse.\-Nicole_Lacey on 8/19/15
I did. You're straining at gnats and ignoring that those verses are separated different than the list of RCC commandments, even in RSVCE.
---micha9344 on 8/20/15


Nicole_Lacey wrote: "Common sense tells us that's it is 2 not 10."

All the laws of God was/is written in the hearts of man. God needed to put the laws in writing so that man could "see" what was written on the hearts of man. If there were only two laws why was Cain cursed if there was not a law that says thous shalt not murder?

John 1:1
2 Peter 3:4
1 John 2:7, 14
Isaiah 64:4
Isaiah 40:21
Isaiah 48:5
Isaiah 46:10
Isaiah 41:4, 26
Psalm 119:160

The laws from the beginning to the end.
---Steveng on 8/19/15


The Ten Commandments were given only to Israel, not to the nations.
learner2

The Whole Bible was given to Israel. But through them and the words of JESUS it is given to all who join in the New Covenant. The whole Bible is for Christians.

2Timothy 3:16
---Samuelbb7 on 8/19/15


Therese you said, "Could you in your wildest dreams imagine Jesus would agree to that level of punishment. And Jesus and God think the same. Someone Who is love could never do that.

First Therese Jesus is God and yes God is love as well as he is holy, just, and righteous.

To deny Eternal Punishment is to simply deny the nature of God.

God's Nature demands Eternal Punishment see Luke 16:19-31, 2 Thes 2:8-9, and Revelations 20:10-15.Revelations
---john9346 on 8/19/15


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Samuel BB said, "But the catholic church means all Christians."

Okay Samuel, how did you arrive at this statement? Cluny said, "But that's not what KATHOLIKOS means in Greek.

It comes from two Greek word: KATH OLON, meaning, "throughout the whole."


So not all Christians are Catholic. (BTW, I trust Cluny on this, as he is much more of a Greek Scholar that I ever will be.)

As I said earlier, most of the people on these blogs would be highly insulted to be called Catholic. I know that the SDA's, JW's Mormons, and Christian Scientists would be, and frankly I don't even consider them to be Christian!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 8/19/15


Micha, don't be sore just because I asked you to clarify yourself.
You can't be thin skinned on this website

But, I am glad you put the name of the Catholic Bible you used. Except you didn't put book, chapter and verse.


Now that we're back on the Decalogue and not following Nicole's "Catholic" rabbit trail, I'll reiterate.
The verses came from the DouayRheims Bible, an RCC translation.---micha9344 on 8/19/15

Sorry, but the RCC has issues with the Douay Rheims translation.

Translation was done in English from Latin in the 16 and 17 Centuries.
Concerns were given with this Translation, so we don't use it.
It is USED by Protestant People as a Catholic Bible reference AGAINST Catholics.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/19/15


Cluny you said, "It was used to describe the church in the letters of St. Ignatius."

Yes, and in context when writing to the Smyrnaeans Ignatius meant universal.

"Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be, even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."
Smyrnaeans chapter 8

The word catholic is an adjective not a noun.
---john9346 on 8/19/15


Now that we're back on the Decalogue and not following Nicole's "Catholic" rabbit trail, I'll reiterate.
The verses came from the DouayRheims Bible, an RCC translation.
KJV has the same breakdown.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image...
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's.
Both show the separation clearly, in which the RCC has changed to their liking.
---micha9344 on 8/19/15


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OK, so let's use a little common sense, as yu put it. Adam and Eve were not the only ones living at the time Adam and Eve lived.---Steveng on 8/17/15

Adam and Eve were the ONLY 2 in the Garden of Eden!

No Cain. We don't even know how LONG they were in the Garden before they were disobedient.

Remember the Angel has a BIG SWORD blocking the Garden NOW!

God only gave them 2 commands.

Work the Garden
Don't touch the Tree of Knowledge of good and bad.

Common sense tells us that's it is 2 not 10.

Please show me in the Bible while living in the Garden Eden, other people and the other 8 commandments given by God.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/19/15


The Ten Commandments were given only to Israel, not to the nations.
---learner2 on 8/18/15


\\catholic means universal and has always been understood to mean so.\\

By English speakers, perhaps.

But that's not what KATHOLIKOS means in Greek.

It comes from two Greek word: KATH OLON, meaning, "throughout the whole."

It was used to describe the church in the letters of St. Ignatius.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/19/15


It is obvious the 10 commandments were known by mankind (Cains punishment) before Moses was given them written on stone. Here is food for thought. It is generally believed that Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible. He was present when God gave the 10 commandments on Mount Sinai in such spectacular fashion and not when Adam and Eve were instructed. It was probably not known exactly when God gave Adam and Eve and their descendants these rules for harmonious living. Moses recorded what he knew about best.
---therese on 8/19/15


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Yes Jerry, I fully agree with your comment (8/15/15) Jesus summed up the commandments as love God supremely, (commandments 1-4 ) and others as ourselves (commandments 5-10). Is it just possible that these two principles are Gods guides for harmonious living adapted for man, fallen man? I believe these are the rules for all eternity and only those who value those principles now, will be given eternal life.
---therese on 8/19/15


Made up my mind already (Cluny 8/12/15) Yes.

I dont believe God will punish those who for less than 100 years have disobeyed His commandments, with tormenting for all eternity.

Could you in your wildest dreams imagine Jesus would agree to that level of punishment. And Jesus and God think the same. Someone Who is love could never do that.

Those who are not given eternal life perish in the Lake of Fire. (Rev 20:15) which is the 2nd death. (Rev 20:14) That is the end of Satan, sin and sinners.
---therese on 8/19/15


Brendan you said, "Since when? Not all Christians are Catholic."

catholic means universal and has always been understood to mean so.

The word catholic was never use to speak of an organization (rcc)

This is also the same thing with the word orthodox it was never used to refer to an organization (orthodox church)

So, yes indeed all Christians are catholic.

"I believe in the holy catholic church."

"And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity."
---john9346 on 8/18/15


Monk, you should know better. Samuel is correct saying, Samuel BB said, "But the catholic church means all Christians."

Since when? Year 1054

But I know a lot of Christians on these blogs that would be highly insulted to be called Catholic.

PC police?
I needed them several times for others insulting me telling me I worship Mary not God. Come on, Monk we are big boys and girls.


Think, please before you write something so ridiculous
---Monk_Brendan on 8/18/15

It was ridiculous to those who understand history and terminology.
We need to discuss not shut down debate.

Just ask Samuel why he believes all Catholic are Christian?

Note he didn't say RCC are all Christians.
---nicole_Lacey on 8/18/15


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Samuel BB said, "But the catholic church means all Christians."

Since when? Not all Christians are Catholic. I am. I am a Melkite Catholic, which comes from the Middle East, and has a Patriarch--Gregory.

But I know a lot of Christians on these blogs that would be highly insulted to be called Catholic.

Think, please before you write something so ridiculous

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 8/18/15


Therese, most parents have house rules by which their own children are expected to abide. Punishment if often meted out to those who do not obey and, as children grow into adults, and choose to remain in the parental home those rules still apply.

When there is disobedience to parental rules those adult children are, sometimes, asked (or even told) to leave and find their own place. If they were allowed to stay whilst disobedient anarchy would reign in the household and everyone would suffer.

God's household will be similar to that. People keep themselves out because they don't like rules.
---Rita_H on 8/18/15


Micha Nicole is correct. There are Roman Catholic Bibles that have been Approved by the Hierarchy of the Roman Catholic church.

But the catholic church means all Christians.

But the RCC bibles do not take away from the Ten Commandments. They are all in there.

In the Catechism the Ten commandments are rearranged and when stated then Micha you are correct. Then they leave out the words about idols.

Make sure to get your facts straight. We don't want to spread lies or false rumors.

Officially the RCC supports the keeping of the Ten Commandments. They just don't believe two of them should be taken as direct but are modified.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/18/15


Nicole wrote: Steveng, just use the common sense God gave you if you refuse to seek guidance on the Bible."

OK, so let's use a little common sense, as yu put it. Adam and Eve were not the only ones living at the time Adam and Eve lived. It wasn't too much longer after they were created when Cain was born. Where did Cain run to when God put a curse on him for murdering Able? Remember the sixth commandment. If there were no sixth commandment, why did God punish Cain?
---Steveng on 8/17/15


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There you go again, Micha:

Catholic Bible Ex 20:
[17] Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour' s house: neither shalt thou desire his wife, nor his servant, nor his handmaid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is his.
-Who has separated and combined? Your own Word of God condemns you.
/SHAME on you all for doing that.\---micha9344 on 8/17/15

NO SUCH thing as a CATHOLIC BIBLE.
Catholic means universal.

So you are saying a universal bible.

None exist.

Please name the Translation.

Like for you all, one is called the King James Bible.

One of ours is called Ignatius.

Please give proper sources so we can debate properly.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/17/15


/You all divide the 1st commandment made it into 2 commandments.\
Catholic Bible Ex 20:
[3] Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.
[4] Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing...
/Then you all combined the last 2 commandments...\-Nicole_Lacey on 8/17/15
Catholic Bible Ex 20:
[17] Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour' s house: neither shalt thou desire his wife, nor his servant, nor his handmaid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is his.
-Who has separated and combined? Your own Word of God condemns you.
/SHAME on you all for doing that.\
---micha9344 on 8/17/15


Really? How about Halloween?---jerry6593 on 8/17/15
That is a SECULAR holiday.
As I said, the RCC never uses superstition since it teaches it is SIN to believe in superstition.

Try again.


Do you know what the difference is? Which words are left out in the Catechism?--Samuelbb7 on 8/17/15

None.
You all divide the 1st commandment made it into 2 commandments. Even through they means the same.

Then you all combined the last 2 commandments (because you can't make 10 to 11 commandments) putting women at the SAME level as property.

SHAME on you all for doing that.
The RCC knows women are HIGHER than property.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/17/15


\\Nicole thanks for recognizing that your list of Ten Commandments is different. Do you know what the difference is? Which words are left out in the Catechism?\\

Only the numbering is different.

The full content is the same.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/15


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"Who says He punishes the wicked forever? Dante?"


Jerry, have you not read Luke 16:19-26, 2 Thesoloanians 2: 1:8-9, and, revelations 20:11-15?

Therese, The Ten Commandments is an overview of the 613 commandments in the old testament. Jesus reinstated the same thing in Matthew 22:37-40.

4 commandments addresses our relationship with God and 6 addresses our relationship to our fellow man.

The primary focus is to show you why you need Jesus because you have sinned against a Holy, Righteous, and Just God who will punish you, but if you will repent of your sins and believe on Christ you will be saved see Mark 1:15.
---john9346 on 8/17/15


Nicole thanks for recognizing that your list of Ten Commandments is different. Do you know what the difference is? Which words are left out in the Catechism?

God was their Father so it would have made sense to them plus they became parents and so would know the commandments.

Also other women came about so that would have made sense to them.

The Commandments are based on Love GOD and love others. That has always and will always make sense. Romans 6,13 1john.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/17/15


Nicole: "The RCC never uses superstition since it teaches it is SIN to believe in superstition."

Really? How about Halloween? Too bad you don't teach that SIN is the transgression of the law.


---jerry6593 on 8/17/15


REALLY?
Nicole, Adam and Eve DID have the commanddments in their hearts. The first commandment found in the bible was "thou shalt not eat from these trees."---Steveng

This is what happens when people think they can study the bible on their own.

NO THEY DIDN'T
1st commandment GIVEN to Moses speaks of having no god over the TRUE GOD. NO IDOLS.

4th your 5th commandment wouldn't make since to them.
Honor your mother and father.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY.

No adultery with whom? God just made the woman from one man.

Covent thy neighbor's goods.
What neighbor? It was just the 2 of them in the garden.

Steveng, just use the common sense God gave you if you refuse to seek guidance on the Bible.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/16/15


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Nicole, Adam and Eve DID have the commanddments in their hearts. The first commandment found in the bible was "thou shalt not eat from these trees." Over time man's heart grew cold so God wrote them on tables.


Trav, God commanded that his chosen people, the Israelites, to go out into the world and bring God's word to the world. They failed until Jesus' first appearance.
---Steveng on 8/16/15


Jerry, has the Swiss Guards been at your house lately?

The RCC never uses superstition since it teaches it is SIN to believe in superstition.

You watch too much TV.

FAITH COMES FROM GOD.

Either you accept GOD at His WORD or not.
He forces no one and neither does HIS Bride the RCC.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/16/15


//But God is forever a MERCIFUL AND FORGIVING GOD.//

Yes...and always has been.
---Rod4Him on 8/15/15


therese: Who says He punishes the wicked forever? Dante? Certainly not the Bible. This is a pagan superstition enforced by the RCC to keep parishioners in line.

Psa 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Psa 119:2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
Psa 119:3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
Psa 119:4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
Psa 119:5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
Psa 119:6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto ALL thy commandments.


---jerry6593 on 8/15/15


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GOD gave and still upholds two basic principals.

Love God and love your neighbor.

Then he gave four of the Ten Commandments that deal with love of GOD.

Then six commandments about how to love your neighbor.

"The Ten Commandments"
The Moral Foundation of Society
by Bishop Alexander (Mileant)

Orthodox Bishop.
Edited by Donald Shufran

This sermon is available on line.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/14/15


Why did God give mankind the 10 commandments?
---therese on 8/12/15

He didn't give mankind these commandments. Only Israel, and first Covenant with GOD. Only Israel was married to GOD. Only Israel has the Second New Covenant with GOD.
No doctrine will discuss this covenant as you will find, except to add to it or take away from it.
Here is, the carefully kept secret in Christianity today:
Heb_8:8-10, Jer 31:31-33 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
(Note the "and" Judah) Drives the "only the jews are Israel" doctrinals into opinion frenzy, never scripture frenzy.
---Trav on 8/13/15


No, because Adam and Eve didn't have the 10 Commandments and they were SHOWN God's sovereignty quickly.

But God is forever a MERCIFUL AND FORGIVING GOD.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/13/15


There are 613 commandments that God gave to Israel. Not all of them are followed today. Even the 10 are disobeyed.

However, since the death and resurrection of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, we are not under the Law, but under Grace.

You still need to live rightly and penitently, however.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 8/13/15


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The purpose of the law is to expose sin, and show mankind his need for a savior. The Law is the last thing you want in front of you at the final judgment. (Gal 3:10)
Actually there are over six hundred laws given to Israel, and no doubt we all break some of those.
In his earthly ministry Jesus reminded Israel that it was more than just behavior. It was thoughts that could condemn you. (Mat 5:19, Mat 5:28)
Even when Jesus boiled it down to just one commandment for sinful Israel we all still fall short. Here is that one. (Mat 22:37)
Have you done this with every breath? If you break one you are guilty of all (James 2:10). We have all broken that one.
---michael_e on 8/12/15


The 10 commandments are a sample of the entire law. The law is given so that we will know what sin is. Romans 7:7. God is totally for us, he is not looking to punish his children. He gave the law so we know how much we do need him as a savior. Yes, if you do disobey him (reject his grace) the penalty of sin is separation and eternal death. The law is wisdom in our daily life so that we will become more like him, 1 Thessalonians Ch. 4. Proverbs.
---Scott1 on 8/12/15


The commandments show mankind the safe way to live together. God wants us all safe, while at the same time free.
---Geraldine on 8/12/15


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