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Unrepentant Go To Heaven

Do you believe that people that are lost are lost for eternity, or is the Father going to have pity on them and bring them--unrepentant as they are--into heaven?

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan

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There was a single Church, from Apostolic times, which established the canon, and from which both the RCC and EO derive.
---StrongAxe on 9/3/15

You've exhibited as ortho-man does here, that you gather/believe/perform and worship the confused doctrinal name of your Church.
Placing your faith in the "church" name, its traditions, liturgies (chants), ceremony, incense, its thousand dollar robes, its gift shop, etc, etc. (Notably similar to the jewish trends in Christ time)

My messiah stated:
Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
"Many" will gather with three...you gather at the "wide" gate with your thousands.
---Trav on 9/3/15


Strongaxe you said, "There was a single Church, from Apostolic times, which established the canon, and from which both the RCC and EO derive."

In order for the EO and rcc to established the cannon they would have had to exist during OT Times (preapostolic Times) of which they didn't.

Again, the Jews certainly weren't running to Constantinople and Rome (pope and Patriarch) saying, "O please tell us has Adonai Elohim spoken?"

It is God who created, established, and gave the bible he is the only one infallible not EO and rcc.
---john9346 on 9/3/15


Reuben:

You said: Jesus said in the gospel of Matthew that he will built his church on the rock of Peter and gave him only the keys.

It doesn't say only. After all, couldn't Peter pass them to his successors? And I'm sure Jesus has a spare set of keys.


john9346:

""It is from the Church that the Bible ultimately derives its authority, for it was the Church which originally decided which books form a part of Holy Scripture," (Ware, Timothy)
Again, this is impossible because the bible existed long before the EO and the rcc were even around.


There was a single Church, from Apostolic times, which established the canon, and from which both the RCC and EO derive.
---StrongAxe on 9/3/15


""It is from the Church that the Bible ultimately derives its authority, for it was the Church which originally decided which books form a part of Holy Scripture," (Ware, Timothy)



Again, this is impossible because the bible existed long before the EO and the rcc were even around.

The Jews most certainly were not running to Constantinople or Rome asking "Has God Spoken has God spoken."
---john9346 on 9/2/15


\\Also Cluny we teach from the Bible based on the Bib\\

If you did, you'd be Orthodox.
---Cluny on 8/31/15

If either of you honored the Bible you would run from the marketing titles you're counting on.
Your post's witness against themselves. Both of you have verified daily why one should never prostrate before your two groups or doctrines by absence of any unifying truths in scripture.
Jas_1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
---Trav on 9/2/15




Cluny* You don't think that YOUR church existed before 1054, do you?

Yes, History and scripture backs me up!

Cluny* there were 5 Patriarchs, and afterwards, there was Rome on one side ) and the other 4 Orthodox Patriarchs on the other.

Jesus said in the gospel of Matthew that he will built his church on the rock of Peter and gave him only the keys.

Pls tell me which 4 Orthodox Patriachs have the keys and why would all of the ECF call Peter the bishop of Rome not not the so call Orthodox Patriachs?

Cluny* Now who do you really think left whom?

Why was it, when the orthodox Church fell into heresy they call on the west and the Pope to bail them out?
---Ruben on 9/2/15


\\Your are kidding, right?/:)
---Ruben on 9/2/15\\

You don't think that YOUR church existed before 1054, do you?

Like I told Nicole, before the division, there were 5 Patriarchs, and afterwards, there was Rome on one side (with the fewest number of Christians and highest number of pagans) and the other 4 Orthodox Patriarchs on the other.

Now who do you really think left whom?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/2/15


Cluny:

You said: Wrong!

We existed from Pentecost 29AD (or thereabouts), and we decided what should be in the Bible to start with.

It's Roman Catholicism that didn't exist until 1054 AD.


Isn't it true that there was basically one single unified church that can trace its roots back to Apostolic times, that was present in both the east and the west, and that it split in two around 1054? What concrete, objective evidence gives one side priority to claim more legitimacy over the other?
---StrongAxe on 9/2/15


It's Roman Catholicism that didn't exist until 1054 AD.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/1/15

Your are kidding, right?/:)
---Ruben on 9/2/15


John, that's fine.
---learner2 on 9/1/15




Cluny you said, "Wrong!"

"We existed from Pentecost 29AD (or thereabouts), and we decided what should be in the Bible to start with."

where are the evidence to support such claims??

The schism of 1054 was a jointed agreement both (rcc and eastern orthodox)


Remember the words of Cyprian, "
custom without truth is the antiquity of error."

Please show
---john9346 on 9/1/15


Learner2,

Thanks for the website, but you must allow Holy Scripture to interpret itself.

Remember, context determines words and meanings and if something can not be contextually and consistently established according to the Scriptures there must and will be a quondary of its truthfulness...
---john9346 on 9/1/15


\\It is impossible (a historical error) for the following claim of the eastern orthodox to be true since it didn't exist until 1054A.D.\\

Wrong!

We existed from Pentecost 29AD (or thereabouts), and we decided what should be in the Bible to start with.

It's Roman Catholicism that didn't exist until 1054 AD.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/1/15


Cluny you asked, "Where in its text does the Bible give a list of its books?"

See, John 5:39-40, 1 Cor 4:6, 2 Tim 3:16-17, and Acts 17:11.

It is impossible (a historical error) for the following claim of the eastern orthodox to be true since it didn't exist until 1054A.D.



"It is from the Church that the Bible ultimately derives its authority, for it was the Church which originally decided which books form a part of Holy Scripture," (Ware, Timothy)
---john9346 on 9/1/15


I cannot hold him responsible for anything. Cluny and no one else here answers to me.

I can state that he is incorrect and seek to show why and on what basis. It is the job of the Holy Spirit to press the lesson home.

True Cluny the Christian church preschism did establish the Canon. I can agree and support their decision. Along with many others made. But I can also point out when the new doctrines they invented contradicted the Canon they established.

Since the Bible is the Word of GOD. Should not all doctrines agree with the established teachings from the Bible?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/1/15


\\If he can't hold you to his rules, you can't really hold him to yours, now, can you?
---StrongAxe on 8/31/15\\

And then, there are people on here who don't follow their own rules. This is seen in their use of such un-Biblical phrases as "accept Christ" (one poster actually said, "except Christ") or "personal Savior." These people also indulge in such un-Biblical practices as invitation hymns and revivals.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/1/15


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Samuelbb7:

You said: But Cluny you have stated many times you don't believe in Sola Scriptora. Instead you base much of what you believe on Traditions.

Where in the Bible does it say to bow to Icons and pray to dead saints?


It doesn't, but then again, according to Cluny's beliefs, it doesn't have to. As you said, he doesn't believe in Sola Scriptura. If he can't hold you to his rules, you can't really hold him to yours, now, can you?
---StrongAxe on 8/31/15


\\But Cluny you have stated many times you don't believe in Sola Scriptora. Instead you base much of what you believe on Traditions.
\\

Scripture is part of Tradition (not traditions--something entirely different).

Where in its text does the Bible give a list of its books?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/1/15


But Cluny you have stated many times you don't believe in Sola Scriptora. Instead you base much of what you believe on Traditions.

Where in the Bible does it say to bow to Icons and pray to dead saints?

You are generally a good scholar. But many times you have used traditions as the basis of your churches teaching.

So I don't understand why are you switching your stance now.

If you wish to accept that the Bible is the final authority then you must defend all the teachings of your denomination from Scripture alone.

GOD bless and keep you.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/31/15


John, you are under no obligation to view any site. It was just a suggestion. The site will describe itself better than I could.
---learner2 on 8/31/15


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\\Also Cluny we teach from the Bible based on the Bib\\

If you did, you'd be Orthodox.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/31/15


True Jerry.

Also Cluny we teach from the Bible based on the Bible.

There are also those who believe in conditionalism in many different churches. Dr. Fudge for instance. Since he is Church of Christ he does not believe it because we say so.

In fact he had set out to prove we were wrong from the Bible. And that historical points were false. He instead came to know we were teaching correctly.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/31/15


Cluny: "I'm quoting exactly what I was told in an SDA Revelation Seminar."

OK, so what? This is what the Bible teaches, yet you don't believe it because you are steeped in tradition, instead of the Bible. This is why you and I will never agree on many things, because my standard of authority is the Bible, and not some man's opinion.


---jerry6593 on 8/31/15


Learner2 you said, "the Tentmaker site."

Why do you think I should check out the Tentmaker site??
---john9346 on 8/30/15


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Steven G said, "What kind of loving God would punish a person for ever and ever even during the new heavens and new earth?"

Steven, there is not one person on these blogs that is competent to judge God's love. To ask me to do so is a cheap trick so that I will answer back and then you can jump down my throat and call me proud. Nope, not going to do it. After all I am,


the unworthy monk Brendan
Pray for me.
---Monk_Brendan on 8/30/15


John, that helps. You might like to check out the Tentmaker site. You can Google it.
---learner2 on 8/30/15


\\You must have a learning disability, as you have been shown this before.\\

I'm quoting exactly what I was told in an SDA Revelation Seminar.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/30/15


John, who published the Greek dictionary?

Learner2, Enhanced Strongs Lexicon, Vines Expository Dictionary, Ibit, and Louw, J. P. and Eugene A. Nida, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament.

Hope that helps.
---john9346 on 8/30/15


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Cluny,on 8/28 "He shall strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, And with the breath of His lips He shall slay the wicked. Isa. 11:4 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Rev 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. (the second resurrection) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
---Josef on 8/28/15


Cluny: "Actually, it's the SDA, and not the Bible, that asserts the wicked will be resurrected simply to be burned alive."

You must have a learning disability, as you have been shown this before.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are


---jerry6593 on 8/29/15


\\Learner2 you asked, "John, did you copy that from Strong's?" \\

The brief lexica in the back of Strong's are NOT the last word in Biblical lexicography.

Liddell and Scott is the gold standard for ancient Greek lexica.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/29/15


John, who published the Greek dictionary?
---learner2 on 8/28/15


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\\The Bible asserts that they are destroyed by the brightness of His coming, are not alive during the millennium, are resurrected in the second resurrection, and destroyed in the lake of fire. \\

Actually, it's the SDA, and not the Bible, that asserts the wicked will be resurrected simply to be burned alive and destroyed again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/28/15


Jerry, you are absolutely right. But no one is in heaven yet anyway. No one's been resurrected.
---learner2 on 8/28/15


Learner2 you asked, "John, did you copy that from Strong's?"

No, the Greek Dictionary.
---john9346 on 8/28/15


There is no Biblical evidence that the wicked go to heaven - quite the contrary. The Bible asserts that they are destroyed by the brightness of His coming, are not alive during the millennium, are resurrected in the second resurrection, and destroyed in the lake of fire. Sin will never again infect heaven or the earth made new, so no unrepentant sinners will be there.


---jerry6593 on 8/28/15


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John, did you copy that from Strong's?
---learner2 on 8/27/15


\\Eis tous aionios ton aionion----Forever and Ever, Lit. "into the age of the ages"\\

This is a very common phrase in the Greek text of Orthodox liturgical prayers. It is rendered in Slavonic as I VO VIKI VIKOV and corresponds to the Latin SECULA SECULORUM.

Orthodox English texts generally simply translate this as UNTO AGES OF AGES.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/15


Learner2,

Remember, context determines meanings.

meaning of aionion

1. aion----age, world
"for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity, the worlds, universe, period of time, age."

aionion, aionios----eternal

"aionios," the adjective corresponding, denoting eternal. It is used of that which in nature is endless, as, e.g., of God,

"describes duration, either undefined but not endless, or undefined because endless





Eis tous aionios ton aionion----Forever and Ever, Lit. "into the age of the ages"

"unlimited duration of time, with particular focus upon the future--always, forever, forever and ever, eternally."
---john9346 on 8/24/15


\\Juneteenth is a celebration of when the slaves in Texas were finally freed. \\

Actually, when Texas finally heard of the Emancipation Proclamation, which freed slaves ONLY in the Confederate states.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/24/15


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True Josef

Aionios means for age generally unless it is modified.

When the slaves were freed it was only the live ones. The dead ones died as slaves.

Also the Civil War had to be won before the slaves were freed. Juneteenth is a celebration of when the slaves in Texas were finally freed.

The Bible speaks of two resurrections. One to the second death and one to life.

Not a calling out of hell.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 8/24/15


John, aionios does not mean eternal. It means age-lasting or age-abiding. And the word kolasis in verse 46 does not mean punishment, it means pruning, which is what is done to plants so they will ultimately thrive.
---learner2 on 8/23/15


Monk Brendan also consider the scripture Samuel66 quoted,
"The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy." Psa. 145:20
To destroy is to "exterminate, to annihilate, to be overthrown, to perish".
"For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints, they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be 'cut off' (eliminated, destroyed, allowed to perish)." Psa.37:28
"For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall 'perish' (vanish, be destroyed)." Psa 1:6
When the wicked are destroyed, the purpose of the Lake Of Fire will have been served.
---Josef on 8/23/15


"John, none of those scriptures say "forever" in Greek."

Learner2, yes verses 41 and 46 the Greek Word Aionion (eternal) is used.

It is also important to allow the context to tell you its meaning.

The context is eternal (aionion) damnation.




"If anyone is left in hell forever, then God could never be All in all."

Learner2, If anyone does not remain in hell, then God is not just and will be violating himself and Jesus's Work on the cross is simply irrelevant.
---john9346 on 8/23/15


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"The lake of fire does not mean that they will not exist." That is the purpose of the lake of fire, as quoted, "there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." Rev 21:4"
"As the whirlwind passes, so is the wicked no more." Pro. 10:25
Jesus said "fear not them which kill the body [The first death], but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to 'destroy' (Apollymi-to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to) both soul and body in 'hell' (The lake of fire). Mat 10:28
The second death is the destruction of both the body and soul of the wicked. Pro 10:28-32
---Josef on 8/23/15


If death is abolished, then no one will any longer be dead, just as when slavery was abolished, no one was any longer a slave.

If anyone is left in hell forever, then God could never be All in all.
---learner2 on 8/23/15


There are two resurrections. The first is when Jesus returns and the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up witht he dead. The second resurrection is at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ when all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the Book of Life according to their works - some to everlasting life, some to everlasting death. Blessed are they that rise at the first resurrection.


Monk_Brendan wrote: "Rev 19:3 The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.

Forever does not mean "until such time as God feels that their punishment has gone on long enough."

What kind of loving God would punish a person for ever and ever even during the new heavens and new earth?
---Steveng on 8/23/15


Josef said, "However, I would like for you to consider that the lake of fire is the second death. Rev 21:8
And when it is no longer needed it will "disappear".


Is there any Scripture that will back that up? Just because all of the unbelievers are thrown into the lake of fire does not mean that they will not exist.

Rather, I pointed out earlier, Rev 19:3 The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever. (or for ages of ages).

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 8/22/15


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The problem learner is that death being abolished means no more will die. It does not mean all the dead will be resurrected. The Bible speaks of two future resurrections.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Those who are resurrected after the 1,000 years are for the second death. Where is a third resurrection spoken of?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/23/15


Cluny, it's a pity the Orthodox Church rejects it.
---learner2 on 8/22/15


Josef, you're right about that. And it does say "death" will be abolished, not that "dying" will be abolished. When death is abolished, no one will remain dead, and God will become All in all (1 Corinthians 15:25-28).
---learner2 on 8/22/15


Thank you Josef good points.

Luther was not sure about the state of the dead.

But Conditionalism has been around for thousands of years. Some Popes even considered it. Look it up.

Yes the dead will cease to exist. Also sometimes called annihilation or destroyed.

Psalms 145:20
The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Remember destroy and annihilate are synonyms.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/22/15


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"Is there any Scripture that says that the Lake of Fire disappears?"
Monk Brendan this is not an attempt to answer for Samuel, knowing he is perfectly capable of answering for himself.
However, I would like for you to consider that the lake of fire is the second death. Rev 21:8
And when it is no longer needed it will "disappear".
For "the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death". 1Co 15:26
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." Rev 21:4
---Josef on 8/22/15


Samuel BB said, "Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.


Is there any Scripture that says that the Lake of Fire disappears?

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Samuel, I think your proposition is that after the last judgment the lost will just be annihilated. Please explain.

Matthew 10:28... Again, there is no post-last judgment death as in a ceasing of existence. That has never been the teaching of any of the Pre-Reformation Churches.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 8/22/15


\\Please read "On the Soul and the Resurrection" by St. Gregory of Nyssa. He and I hold similar views on this topic.\\

But this idea the Orthodox Church has always rejected.

The Vincentian Canon does not go, "Whatever has been believed sometime, somewhere, by somebody."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/22/15


Brendan, I think you are mistaken. Please read "On the Soul and the Resurrection" by St. Gregory of Nyssa. He and I hold similar views on this topic.
---learner2 on 8/21/15


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Learner said, " Nowhere does Scripture teach that anyone will burn in hell forever."

People have said it does not say forever in Greek--and you're right. It says that "the smoke of this goeth up unto ages of ages"

This is a Greek construct that means the same thing. While we say forever, they say unto ages of ages.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 8/21/15


John, none of those scriptures say "forever" in Greek.
---learner2 on 8/21/15


"Nowhere does Scripture teach that anyone will burn in hell forever."

Learner2, have you not read Luke 16:19-31, Hebrews 9:27-28, and Matthew 25:31-46??

Jamea, if someone has truly repented and trusts Jesus, we don't get the choice to decide, we follow and obey...

To deny hell is to simply deny God your creator who is holy, righteous, and just.

Because God is just hell exists, your creator hates sin my friend and the bible says you have sinned against him
Please see Romans 3:10-25, and 6:23.
---john9346 on 8/21/15


Yes James that punishment is too harsh. It is no the act of a loving GOD. But neither is forcing people to be saved and live where they don't want to live.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Monk Brendan you don't try to explain any of the verses I posted. You ignore the truths there and put in the word forever. The word in Greek can mean for an age or period of time. Look it up.

So the wicked will burn for a period of time which does not contradict the rest of the Bible on this topic.

Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/20/15


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Nowhere does Scripture teach that anyone will burn in hell forever.
---learner2 on 8/20/15


the thing that annoys me with people who are saved is they believe in a hell but dont believe they are going!i cant stand the sound of eternal torment its driving me from wanting to know jesus,the punishment seems harsh!if i had known on the day i was born that its likely i would go to hell eternaly mathematicaly do u think id want to be born if few makes it want about all those souls burning forever!help me understand!
---jamea3475 on 8/20/15


The New Testament says God is the Savior of all mankind. It also says that it is God's will that everyone be saved. It also says that at the end of the eons, God will be All in all and the death will be abolished. So I will go with that.
---learner2 on 8/20/15


Samuel BB said, "Those who choose hate will die the second death in the lake of fire. They will pay for their sins and then cease to exist."

This is one error that I will address right now.

Rev 19:3 The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.

Forever does not mean "until such time as God feels that their punishment has gone on long enough.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 8/20/15


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The issue is Jesus.

God (Father, Son, Spirit) has made a way for all humans to be included in their life. The planet, the cosmos, and every human being are included in Christ and Jesus told us that we would realize this some day (John 14:20).

But only by faith can true union with God be possible. Only by trusting in Jesus can we experience what is already ours for the taking, God's love for us and the new creation God made us to be in Christ.

Someday all humanity will see that Jesus is God one way or another, sooner or later.

Unfortunately, those seeing that fact later will face the Second Death.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/20/15


Learner2 -------> Not even close

Matthew 7:14 - Because Strait is the gate : and narrow is the way , which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it,

Proverbs 16:4 - The Lord God hath made all thing for himself :yea even the wicked for the day of evil.


( There ton more were these came from -------- > Bible )
---Richardc on 8/19/15


You must of course remember that all people will, on the last day, have things we had not realized were sins!

The point is for us to be always willing to recognize things in our life that are (or may be) sins.

It is not to have repented of everything, it is to be always willing as soon as we learn something is a sin, to repent.

Like the story in Acts of Peter not wanting to eat with the gentiles, where Paul had to tell him off. These things happen, and we must remember we may also be doing something like that.

The problem is being unwilling to recognize a sin when we are shown it is a sin.
---Peter on 8/20/15


You mean there is no torment for all eternity.

Not biblical at all, that the unrepentant will be saved. This universal saving of all is a reaction of those who reject the horrible error of eternal torment.

Is God not powerful enough to end the sin problem.
---therese on 8/20/15


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I cannot agree. People will be lost because they choose to live in hate.

Those who choose hate will die the second death in the lake of fire. They will pay for their sins and then cease to exist.

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/20/15


Brendan you aske, "Do you believe that people that are lost are lost for eternity, or is the Father going to have pity on them and bring them--unrepentant as they are--into heaven?

For the answer See, Hebrews 9:27-28, 2 Thes 1:8-9, Luke 16:19-31, and Matthew 25:31-46.
---john9346 on 8/20/15


Brendan, not this time. I absolutely believe this.
---learner2 on 8/19/15


Well, Monk, Revelation says that evil people will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone (Revelation 21:7-8). And it says that anyone who worships the beast and its image and receives the beast's mark "shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb." (in Revelation 14:10)

I understand that the lake of fire and brimstone is the flaming sewer which will hold Satan's evil and selfish spirit (Ephesians 2:2). And there are people who are "helping" to carry this evil spirit to the flaming sewer.

And we invite them to trust in Jesus, but they keep volunteering to be sewer buckets!
---Bill on 8/19/15


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Learner2,"AMEN."
---Geraldine on 8/19/15


Learner 2 said, " God will bring every human being to repentance in His own time. It will happen. God says He is reconciling the world to Himself. He is the Saviour of all. In the end, God will be All in all. It's a wonderful Gospel!"

Learner, are you being ironic again?
---Monk_Brendan on 8/19/15


God will bring every human being to repentance in His own time. It will happen. God says He is reconciling the world to Himself. He is the Saviour of all. In the end, God will be All in all. It's a wonderful Gospel!
---learner2 on 8/19/15


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