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What Was The Mark Of Cain

Does the Bible say what the mark of Cain was?

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///...you're just trying to win an argument.

No, just saying your evidence is totally reading between the lines what is not there. [IN YOUR OPINION] It may be true, [?] but you can't derive that from what the Bible actually says. [?]

Who were "the fallen"?

Tradition says fallen angels. [WOULD THAT BE DIVINELY INSPIRED TRADITION? SMH]...Saul being big in no way implies his bigness was due to descent from Cain. [IN YOUR OPINION]...
Not "supposed". From a Hebrew bible, based on the Masoretic text. [WHAT HEBREW BIBLE?]---StrongAxe on 9/2/15///

I reiterate, you're just trying to win an argument based on your opinions, not glean truth from Scripture.
---Leon on 9/2/15


///...All men did not come out of Noah or out of Adam...///
---Trav on 8/31/15

Trav: If not, then where & how do you know?
---Leon on 8/31/15

Gen 1 is different from Gen 2. for a purpose.
Gen 1:29 man lived off the fruit of trees and seeds.
Adam is formed in Gen 2. because there was no man to till the ground.
Cain married someone not of Adam. Cain was marked so "any" would not kill him.
---Trav on 9/2/15


Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

David, I believe it has to do with Judgement. Jesus speaks of this time before the flood, as says the earth will be like this again. He was not suggesting GIANTS will again be on the earth. I believe he was talking about apostates....where professing Christians will become unequally yoked marrying the ungodly , not Giants or angles.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/15


What purpose does it serve the reader, to know there were Giants before and after the flood? What other reason, besides the one I have given, can you think of, as to why this information was given?

As I said, it was simply written to give us the time of the flood, verses a date, which at that time didn't exist.
---David on 9/2/15


Leon:

you're just trying to win an argument.

No, just saying your evidence is totally reading between the lines what is not there. It may be true, but you can't derive that from what the Bible actually says.

Who were "the fallen"?

Tradition says fallen angels.

Gen 4:6: His COUNTENANCE was "fallen" (i.e. he was in a bad mood). Read the WHOLE verse.

Sethites and Cainites BOTH fit this description.

Saul being big in no way implies his bigness was due to descent from Cain.

What's your source for the supposed Hebrew terms you used?

Not "supposed". From a Hebrew bible, based on the Masoretic text.
---StrongAxe on 9/2/15




\\'Axe, Like others here, you're just trying to win an argumen\\

OTOH, Leon NEVER tries to win an argument, does he?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/1/15


Acts 17:26 ...one blood...
---micha9344 on 8/31/15

Here you provide Paul and only Paul. It is all you can provide because there is no Prophet, Christ or Apostle who verify's it by their authority. It is possible Paul was misinterpreted. It is more than possible he was speaking of Israel...as Israels position with GOD, bad and good carries thousands of witnesses...verified from beginning to end is Israels beginning's, middle and end in a book composed too, by and for them.
Hebrews 8:8, Deut 4:37, Deut 10:15.
---Trav on 9/1/15


'Axe, Like others here, you're just trying to win an argument. You're not paying attention to what the Bible actually says:

1.) Who were "the fallen"? The first time "fallen" is used in the Bible, God refers to Cain. (G4:6)

2.) Are you saying "daughters of Adam" who descended directly from Adam's loins & were conceived by Eve OR what?

3.) You want evidence, other than Goliath & his kin? Sure! How about the Anakims (Deut. 2:11)? Also, is it not significant that King Saul was a "big" guy -- "giant" of a man of whom Goliath really wanted to fight? (1 Sam. 9:2)

4.) What's your source for the supposed Hebrew terms you used?
---Leon on 9/1/15


The word translated as "mark" in Gen. 4:15 is 'owth, which could mean a sign, an omen, a warning, or a remembrance. In the Torah, the same word is used to describe the stars as signs or omens (Gen. 1:14), the rainbow as the sign of God's promise to never again destroy his creation as with the flood (Gen. 9:12), circumcision as a token of God's covenant with Abraham (Gen. 17:11), and the miracles performed by Moses before the Pharaoh (Exodus 4:8,9,17,28, 7:3, 8:23, 10:1,2).

OR wait...wait...wait....Leon, MAYBE this Mark or sign was to prevent the GIANTS who lived in the Land of Nod from killing Cain.
I can't imagine GIANT women being considered "fair". Aka LOVELY in the eyes of regular size men.
---kathr453 on 9/1/15


Leon:

Hebrew for "giants" is "ha-nephilim" (the fallen) and "daughters of men" is "b'not ha-adam" (the daughters of the adam, not Cain).

Some here disagree with Bible evidence & me, ... I see & believe the "mark" on Cain was giantism ...

If Cain's Mark passed down through Noah is significant, it's curious the Bible never mentions it. "What you believe", not "Bible evidence". Giantism is not inherited by nations, but rather pops up individually. Can you show any actual evidence (from the Bible or elsewhere) that it actually IS giantism and not something else?

Also, Trav firmly believes the Flood was local, not global.
---StrongAxe on 9/1/15




Genesis 4:15

15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

What Loen doesn't SEE here is a couple things. The warning of God's vengeance on that person sevenfold. And a MARK UPON. The original Hebrew word for "mark" here is SIGN. A sign upon CAIN.

If God wanted to turn Cain into a giant so no one would kill him, the Bible would say so. No need for mystery here. I believe God's promise of a sevenfold vengeance is was more FRIGHTENING.
---kathr4453 on 9/1/15


Micha: If "all men" didn't come thru Adam & Noah, where did they come from?

True, we all bear our own individual sins in us. Sin (iniquity) is in the blood (DNA) of everyone since Adam's fall.

Though Cain didn't inherit his mark from Adam, Cain's "physical mark" (not to be confused with sin), I believe, was passed on in his blood (DNA/genetic makeup) to his descendants. They in turn passed it on to the line of Seth thru the daughters of men (Cain' offspring).

Some here disagree with Bible evidence & me, because like Elisha they don't see. That's okay. I see & believe the "mark" on Cain was giantism to deter any aggression toward him.
---Leon on 8/31/15


///...All men did not come out of Noah or out of Adam...///
---Trav on 8/31/15

Trav: If not, then where & how do you know?
---Leon on 8/31/15


-Cain's mark was not inherited.
Eze 18:20 ...The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
/These enemies were not of Noah. All men did not come out of Noah or out of Adam.\
1Sam 17:23 ...the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name...
Gen 10:13-14 And Mizraim begat...Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,)...
Gen 10:6 And the sons of Ham...Mizraim...
Gen 5:32 ...Noah begat...Ham...
1Ch 1:1-4 Adam, Sheth, Enosh, Kenan, Mahalaleel, Jered, Henoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah...
Acts 17:26 ...one blood...
---micha9344 on 8/31/15


\\Does the Bible say what the mark of Cain was?\\

No, but Leon does.

Leon, if you ask a question, don't complain about the answers you get.

Or did you post this question just to expound upon your bright idea?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/31/15


The name Philistine comes from the Hebrew word Philistia, and the Greek rendering of the name, palaistinei, gives us the modern name Palestine. The Philistines are first recorded in Scripture in the Table of Nations, a list of the patriarchal founders of seventy nations descended from Noah in Genesis 10:14.

Goliath is clearly defined in several scriptures as a Philistine.
There are no genealogy's of anyone other than Noah and his sons in Genesis 10 after the flood. There is no mention of ANYONE in scripture after the flood who's genealogy cannot be traced back to Genesis 10., or back to Adam before the flood., except through the line of Seth...re Jesus Christ as we see in the Gospels through Mary and Joseph's Genealogy.
---kathr4453 on 8/31/15


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Leon:

You said: ... the scripture I previously posted (above) ...

Yet these have nothing to do with the blog topic. Also, the rich man was already in hell before he spoke to Abraham.


Trav:

I was merely questioning Leon's assumptions (via reductio ad absurdum), not dogmatically asserting my own (as you do).

There have been some mighty big people... Regardless of the spin you attempt to stick with milk doctrines and simple science.

I never said giantism didn't exist, only that it could not be an inHerited Mark of Cain. The whole point I was trying to make is that one CANNOT assume that the Mark of Cain is giantism without making a LOT of unwarranted assumptions.
---StrongAxe on 8/31/15


... Mark of Cain didn't survive the flood, and whatever it was is now a moot point.
---StrongAxe on 8/25/15

But then you are doctrinally "assuming" that the flood was Global. And that the mark was inherited. Which the Bible does not indicate and science and simple math proves a global flood, blind or lazy ignorance of facts.
There have been some mighty big people, considered Giants after the flood. King David killed one, who had brothers. David had over thirty men of valor that took on all comers of any size and large numbers...one at a time. These enemies were not of Noah. All men did not come out of Noah or out of Adam. Regardless of the spin you attempt to stick with milk doctrines and simple science.
---Trav on 8/31/15


\\I can no more reason with you than Abraham could reason with the rich man, who wasn't in his right mind & subsequently wound up in hell. So, never mind! Leon //////\\

So, since you're not in your right mind, what does this say about your eternal state, Leon?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/31/15


I can no more reason with you than Abraham could reason with the rich man, who wasn't in his right mind & subsequently wound up in hell. So, never mind! Leon //////

So does this mean we too will end up in hell, because we are not in our right minds and can't be reasoned with?

I would give my right arm to know where this verse is? Certainly not the verse where the rich man was already in hell......and not because he didn't believe in Giants.

Talk about really twisting scripture. And twisting scripture to threaten others.....WOW. That's SICK!
---kathr4453 on 8/31/15


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///Matthew 13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables: because they seeing
see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand

Jeremiah 5:21
Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding, which have eyes, and see not, which have ears, and hear not:

Isaiah 6:9-10
And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear you indeed, but understand not, and see indeed, but perceive not...
---Leon on 8/29/15///

Are you claiming to be on the spiritual levels of Jesus, Jeremiah, or Isaiah, Leon?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/31/15


///Matthew 13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables: because they seeing
see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand

Jeremiah 5:21
Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding, which have eyes, and see not, which have ears, and hear not:

Isaiah 6:9-10
And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear you indeed, but understand not, and see indeed, but perceive not...
---Leon on 8/29/15///

'Axe: The word of God judges us all. I hope you may be able to see the difference between the scripture I previously posted (above) & the self-aggrandizing, pontifical statements Kathr is typically marked by.
---Leon on 8/30/15


Leon you made this comment suggesting Strongaxe, Cluny and I are WHERE? Because WHY? Because we need 2 or 3 scripture witnesses to believe what you want us to believe? That is "how " the HOLY SPIRIT teaches Leon. ALL truths in scripture have 2-3 back up scripture witnesses. I have shown you 2-3 back up scripture witnesses that " renown" does NOT mean Giant, and MARK UPON ...(yes there are even more in the bible if you care to look,) is not a genetic transformation. No one has to be a know it all to know when someone is shoveling horse dung at them. That is WHY we have the Holy Spirit to guide us. The Holy Spirit is the KNOW IT ALL. That is why we look to Him for guidance that YOU have scoffed at.
---kathr4453 on 8/31/15


Leon:

You said: Kathr: Who made you to be my judge?

Earlier, you said: There are none so blind as people who chooses not to see. Sad indeed is your condition Kathr, 'Axe & Clooney. Your minds have fallen in the pit of unbelief!

We are not judging you, but you are apparently judging us for not believing your theory that has no evidence. All I'm doing is asking for some kind of actual evidence (which is the biblical standard for establishing truth - 2-3 witnesses).

I could just as easily claim that the Mark of Cain is a tattoo of "My little pony" on the forehead, and a third party would have no way of knowing which of the two of us (if either) is right, without any proof.
---StrongAxe on 8/30/15


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Kat: Considering the source, your venomous remarks don't phase me one bit. I'm not moved by self-righteous, delusional people like you.

Gnosticism? Tantrum? :D You're just grasping at straws & think more highly of yourself than you ought. Pathetic!

What you really hate about my views is you can't reasonably refute them from Scripture. So, you resort to "bully" tactics to discredit me as if you're some kind of "big", renown person. You actually come off sounding Trumpish. :)

"Everything" you said about me fits you perfectly (is a self fulfilling prophecy). Since it's "always" your m.o. to get the last word, go ahead, take the parting shot, please! I'm done with you. :)
---Leon on 8/30/15


Leon, You claim to have some special insight from the Holy Spirit, the Logos and God without any scripture to back up what you are saying. I call that arrogant, not Spirit lead. It's also Gnosticism which again is NOT of God. Calling me names and throwing an ungodly tantrum here in front of all to see is also NOT being lead by the Spirit. Your words and actions again prove this point.
Why do you insist in ramming down people's throats your views? We rejected them and you just can't stand it. That comes from SELF, not God. I think folks here are tired of your bullying Leon. We don't even bully people to believe Jesus is the Son of God. We may get cursed, but we don't curse back. Grow up...and stop saying YOU speak for God.
---kathr4453 on 8/30/15


///...To put the focus on something else here shows you are not being led by the Holy Spirit . The Bible is about REDEMPTIONS......not GIANTS.
---kathr4453 on 8/30/15///

Kathr: Who made you to be my judge? Most definitely it wasn't God, the Holy Spirit. You're way out of your element here my "dear" & need to seriously rethink your position, & repent of your know it all attitude (wicked ways). You deceive yourself. God alone is omniscient!
---Leon on 8/30/15


\\Leon, believing that Cain was not a giant is believing a lie from the pit if hell, don't you think?
---learner2 on 8/29/15\\

I wouldn't go that far, but obviously Leon's pride is getting in the way.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/30/15


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Leon, I also don't believe Angels procreated with humans either resulting in GIANTS. Scripture clearly say angels can't procreate, yet look at all who believe they did anyway. Scripture does say there were Giants before and at the time of Noah. And we clearly see in scripture Giants AFTER the flood as well. I also believe in a world wide flood where only 8 souls were saved who were from the line of Seth SO THAT the Promise of Genesis 3:15 would be fulfilled. That is, the promise of the redeemer, Jesus Christ.
To put the focus on something else here shows you are not being led by the Holy Spirit . The Bible is about REDEMPTIONS......not GIANTS.
---kathr4453 on 8/30/15


And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.


Comparing scripture with scripture, God put a MARK UPON CAIN. Now in Leviticus we see again the term..MARK UPON.....showing it was a Mark UPON the flesh, as in a tattoo.

So MARK UPON . is UPON.
now Leon, do I need to give a definition of the word UPON, or do you have your own definition of that as well?
---kathr453 on 8/30/15


Leon:

You said: There are none so blind as people who chooses not to see. Sad indeed is your condition Kathr, 'Axe & Clooney.

None of the scriptures you mentioned says anything about giants.

I choose to follow the Bereans who didn't take Paul's words for granted, but rather "searched the scriptures daily to see if these things be so".

You're making something up that isn't mentioned anywhere in the bible, we refuse to take it at face value without proof, and we're the ones who are sad?
---StrongAxe on 8/29/15


Leon, believing that Cain was not a giant is believing a lie from the pit if hell, don't you think?
---learner2 on 8/29/15


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There are none so blind as people who chooses not to see. Sad indeed is your condition Kathr, 'Axe & Clooney. Your minds have fallen in the pit of unbelief! I can no more reason with you than Abraham could reason with the rich man, who wasn't in his right mind & subsequently wound up in hell. So, never mind!


Matthew 13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables: because they seeing
see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand

Jeremiah 5:21
Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding, which have eyes, and see not, which have ears, and hear not:

Isaiah 6:9-10
And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear you indeed, but understand not, and see indeed, but perceive not...
---Leon on 8/29/15


\\Kathr: Throughout Scripture, God's word (Logos) follows a logical progression (line upon line, precept upon precept).\\

But you don't.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/29/15


Leon:

You said: I didn't say the "giant" Cain couldn't be slain. I do however believe his size, like Goliath's, was a deterrent for most average size persons to fearfully think long & hard before trying. That was the whole point in making him bigger than the "every one (G4:14)".

There is absolutely no evidence (biblical or otherwise) that the Mark of Cain was giantism. This is entirely from your own imagination.

Apparently some (of Abel's descendants?) tried & may have even succeeded in killing Cain. Listen to Lamech, a descendant of Cain (G4:23-24).

There is no evidence that Abel had any descendants before he was murdered. Perhaps you're thinking of Seth?
---StrongAxe on 8/29/15


You are not listening Leon. If perhaps you want to believe God transformed Cain into a GIANT, then so be it. BUT whatever the mark was WAS NOT PASSED DOWN TO HIS OFFSPRING. It was a mark to Cain ALONE. "You " clearly said it wasn't a curse...correct? But a mark to protect CAIN. Not Cain and all his descendants . That part YOU made up.

I gave you scripture showing the definition of "renown"., and scripture using "renown" for those held in high esteem in Israel. YOU misapplied the word. BUT isn't that what you are known for on CN? Changing definitions of words ?
Leon, you are FREE to believe whatever you want, And I am FREE to disregard your theory. Your argument is not a compelling one.
---kathr4454 on 8/29/15


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What about Robert Wadlow? He was born in Alton, Illinois, in 1918. At 8 years old, he was 60". At 11 years old, he was 67". At 14 years old, he was 75". At 17 years old, he was 81/2". At 22 years old he was over 811" almost 9 tall. He died in Manistee, Michigan. His shoes were size 37AA. Was he the result of an angel? No. Was he the offspring of Cain? No. He was just a big man. A Giant. He's in the Guinness Book Of World Records, 1976.

Goliath was a GIANT, who obviously came through Noah's line, which was the line of Seth. Goliath was not half angel either.
We have whole communities of Little People. Can Little People have normal size children? Can Normal size people have " Little People"?
---kathr453 on 8/29/15


If a man standing 10 feet tall, gets his picture taken next to an elephant, which one is the Giant?
---David on 8/29/15


Kathr: Throughout Scripture, God's word (Logos) follows a logical progression (line upon line, precept upon precept). Quite often God introduces ideas/words, then later He fills in the blanks (makes it clear).

I didn't say the "giant" Cain couldn't be slain. I do however believe his size, like Goliath's, was a deterrent for most average size persons to fearfully think long & hard before trying. That was the whole point in making him bigger than the "every one (G4:14)".

Apparently some (of Abel's descendants?) tried & may have even succeeded in killing Cain. Listen to Lamech, a descendant of Cain (G4:23-24).
---Leon on 8/29/15


\\Kathr: Where do you think giants came from?\\

You don't actually think they were descended from Cain, do you?

Genesis 6 says where they came from, and Cain had nothing to do with it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/29/15


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Kathr: Where do you think giants came from? Why would they even have been mentioned in Genesis if it wasn't a significant link to what was previously said? You obviously think, even though God drops insightful word clues in the Bible, if God doesn't spell it out in detail for you, then nothing can be communicated...it's silent? Just because you don't hear it doesn't mean it doesn't wash. :)

Interestingly, you've gone off on a "renown" tangent. That's your idea, not mine! Remember, I said I believe Cain became a "giant". However, since you insist, giant also means not only big in physical stature but big in influence & success, like for instance the "renown" (famous, much talked about) Donald Trump. :)
---Leon on 8/28/15


Leon, your idea is interesting, but just doesn't wash out. No where does God say the mark was passed down to Cain's descendants. You also misuse the word " renown" . If there were GIANTS in the land from the beginning of time..."since Cain ", scripture would say so. There were Giants re: Goliath, after the flood as well. David killed a giant. So if it were forbidden to kill GIANTS, then it would have been forbidden for David to kill Goliath.
I just do not believe the mark on Cain was transforming him into the HULK.
---kathr4453 on 8/28/15


\\Why so hateful to others here?\\

Let's see, Rita.

On another blog you accused Roman Catholics of believing something they in fact do NOT believe--but **I** am hateful.

Do I understand you right?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/28/15


Strongaxe,
'Giantism (and dwarfism) today are genetic anomalies that are NOT passed down from generation to generation.'

I don't know about giantism but very many achondroplasic dwarfs have children who also suffer from achondroplasia, even those who have married a normal sized partner.
---Rita_H on 8/28/15


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'If you don't understand what I mean by "hybridizing", get your daddy to tell you, as the rules don't allow me to get too biological here.' Cluny.

Why so hateful to others here? You are becoming worse by the day. I hope you are not a preacher as I hate to imagine how you must answer genuine questioners who listen to your words. Your sign off words here "Glory to Jesus Christ!" are pretty sick. I haven't seen you Glorifying Jesus for a very long time. You need serious help.
---Rita_H on 8/28/15


'Axe: God could've said Cain killed Abel & then He (God) expelled Cain into the land of Nod where he & wife had children, but they did wicked things that displeased God, so God told righteous Noah to build an Ark because He (God) was going to destroy the wicked people in a flood, & only Noah & his family would survive it.

Therefore, there would've been no mentioning of the mark of Cain, no mentioning of giants, no genealogy of Adam's or Cain's descendants, no mentioning of the sons of God mating with the daughters of men. Then, as Kathr supposes, the Bible would indeed be silent in these matters.

Oh yea dull of hearing! smh
---Leon on 8/28/15


///I have a friend whose young adult son is 7/1.

This may seem like a giant to some people, and to others simply very tall. [???]

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/27/15///

GIANT: a person or thing that is very large, powerful, or successful. (Merrimac-Webster Dictionary)
---Leon on 8/28/15


Leon:

You said: Tell that nonsense to professional atheletes, e.g., in the NBA 'Axe.

Are you trying to tell me that all 7-foot-tall basketball players have children who all also grow up to be 7 feet tall?

My point is this: either the Mark of Cain is giantism or it isn't. If it is, we would either see a lot of giant nations now (if one of the 4 ark wives were Cainites) or none ever. Since neither is the case, it can't be the mark of Cain.


Cluny wrote: But the Bible does say that their offspring were giants.

Actually, it says "there were giants in the land" but does not actually directly connect that with the previous verse. That is merely inferred.
---StrongAxe on 8/28/15


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Nevermind Cluny. Trying to reason with you is a "gigantic" waste of time & space. No doubt you're having "big" fun in the home. smh
---Leon on 8/27/15


Tell that nonsense to professional atheletes, e.g., in the NBA 'Axe.
---Leon on 8/27/15


\\You're the one who brought up hybrids! \\

I never denied it, but you are ignoring the simple fact that YOU brought up giants.

\\Obviously, you don't want to expose to the light of day your spurious beliefs by trying to explain your unfounded (looney) speculations which has to do with angels & women mating.\\

That's a very old interpretation of the Biblical "sons of God and daughters of men" in Genesis 6.

I never said I agreed with it. But the Bible does say that their offspring were giants.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/27/15


///...You are the one who brought up giants, Leon. And I'm just pointing out where the Bible said giants came from.
If you don't understand what I mean by "hybridizing", get your daddy to tell you, as the rules don't allow me to get too biological here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/27/15///


Cluny: You sir are marked by a very nasty (passive aggressive), self-centered disposition that certainly doesn't give glory to Jesus.

You're the one who brought up hybrids! Obviously, you don't want to expose to the light of day your spurious beliefs by trying to explain your unfounded (looney) speculations which has to do with angels & women mating. smh
---Leon on 8/27/15


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I have a friend whose young adult son is 7/1.

This may seem like a giant to some people, and to others simply very tall.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/27/15


I personally believe God marked Cain with increased size so the others would fear his stature. In other words, Cain became a giant. The men of "renown" were his descendants, i.e., big, large, huge, gigantic men ( & women).
---Leon on 8/24/15

Is this the breadcrumbs you think means Giants? "Men of Renown ". "Renown" does not mean giants Leon. Today we have men of renown who are not Giants physically. These men have great power, wealth, and great influence over man.
We are also,told by Jesus that it will again be like in the times of Noah before His return. No physical Giants needed.

Again, whatever mark was on Cain did NOT pass to his descendants. If it had, scripture would say so.
---kathr4453 on 8/27/15


Numbers 1:16 These were the renowned of the congregation, princes of the tribes of their fathers, heads of thousands in Israel.
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Numbers 16:2 And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:

Just scripture to back up what I was saying about renown. Unless you are suggesting these men in the congregation were Giants physically.
---kathr453 on 8/27/15


Leon:

You said: So, now you're saying giantism ISN'T genetic? How do you suppose that?

Do we not have giants in the land, all over the world, in 2015? How do you explain that? smh


I'm saying if "The Mark of Cain" is related to "there were giants in the land" (i.e. mark of cain means you are a giant), it doesn't exist now. If it were a persistant genetic trait (like albinism), it would have had to have been passed down through one of the 8 ark passengers, and thus 1/3 of humanity would show it. Since we don't have 1/3 of the human race substantially taller than the rest, that can't be.

Giantism (and dwarfism) today are genetic anomalies that are NOT passed down from generation to generation.
---StrongAxe on 8/27/15


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Giantism.
Have never equated that with God's mark begore, but okay. Let's think about it. Giantism would be an obvious outward sign. BUT could the descendants of Cain be referred to as the "Sons of God" that went into the "Daughters of Men"? Hmmm? Maaaybe.
As far as the effects on the human gene pool. I would imagine substantial dilution took place if as the bible says, David and his men killed the last of the Giants.
That might explain why less than 15% of the population is over 6 ft tall with a few 7 and 8 footers mixed in.
---AG on 8/27/15


No, it doesn't. There may, or may not, have been a physical mark, but if so, it still would also have meant that Cain was under the Lord's protection.
Genesis 4:14-15, Ezekiel 9:3-11, Ephesians 4:30, Revelations 9:4 / but Exodus 12:7, 22-23, Revelations 13:16, 14:11.
---Glenn on 8/27/15


***///...Depends on what you mean by giants...According to the Bible, the giants were the result of the hybridizing of "daughters of men" with "sons of God." It says NOTHING about the offspring being descendants of Cain...---Cluny on 8/26/15///

What do you mean by giants Cluny?***

You are the one who brought up giants, Leon. And I'm just pointing out where the Bible said giants came from.

If you don't understand what I mean by "hybridizing", get your daddy to tell you, as the rules don't allow me to get too biological here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/27/15


///...My point is that if giantism WERE genetic, and it was the Mark of Cain, then either nobody would have it, or 1/3 of the world's population would have it, because all our DNA comes from those 8 people.
---StrongAxe on 8/26/15///

So, now you're saying giantism ISN'T genetic? How do you suppose that?

Do we not have giants in the land, all over the world, in 2015? How do you explain that? smh
---Leon on 8/25/15
---Leon on 8/27/15


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///...In...Genesis 4,...no where any mark was put on Cain's descendants. The mark was put on Cain alone. Nothing about having any curse from generation to generation here. The Bible is silent as to what the mark was....---kathr4453 on 8/27/15///

I respectfully disagree with you Kathr:

1.) The Bible doesn't say the mark on Cain was a curse. He was marked as a sign of God's protection.

2.) The Bible is only silent when we don't pay close attention & spend time following the scriptural leads God "always" lays out like bread crumbs.

3.) Your point is practical & well taken regarding the rib, but I believe a DNA alteration in Cain would've indeed impacted his descendants.

---Leon on 8/27/15


Gen 4:15-16 But the Lord said to him, Not so, anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over. Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the Lords presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.

It was not his descendants, only Cain himself--therefore, his mark was carried by Cain, and not by any sons or daughters.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 8/27/15


Leon:

The contention is that perhaps giantism is the Mark of Cain. If that were the case, then giants were merely marked humans. There were only 8 people on the Ark, and all humanity is descended from them. If Shems's wife had the Mark, so would all Shemites. Same for Ham's and Japeth's. If any of Noah or his wife's ancestors had it, EVERYONE would now have it.

You've haphazardly disregarded DNA 'Axe. That's in the "big" Bible picture...

Exactly the opposite. My point is that if giantism WERE genetic, and it was the Mark of Cain, then either nobody would have it, or 1/3 of the world's population would have it, because all our DNA comes from those 8 people.
---StrongAxe on 8/26/15


The Giants mentioned in (Genesis 6:4) are Dinosaurs.

Why are they mentioned?
As a point of reference, as to when God flooded the Earth.

Throughout history, People who didn't use a dating system, referenced unusual occurrences to mark time.
In much the same way as we use landmarks, to give directions to someone, when we can't remember the name of a street.
---David on 8/27/15


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In rereading Genesis 4, I can see no where any mark was put on Cain's descendants. The mark was put on Cain alone. Nothing about having any curse from generation to generation here.
The Bible is silent as to what the mark was.

Just as Adam was one rib less, after he was created due to Eve does not mean all men after were born with one rib less.
---kathr4453 on 8/27/15


'Axe: You "suppose"? Where does the Bible say that? Affect ALL of Cain's descendants? Where does the Bible say that?

Gee 'Axe, since you're such a great (big) font of wisdom, I'll ask you. Were there giants on the Ark? One third (1/3)? I'm not going to ask how you came to that wild summation.

"...describe any major racial group to yuu?" I get your "racist" implication, however there's but one race: THE HUMAN RACE!

"If not, then giantism CANNOT be the "Mark of Cain." Huh?! So says the great & powerful 'Axe. Give your ego a rest dude! smh :)

You've haphazardly disregarded DNA 'Axe. That's in the "big" Bible picture...
---Leon on 8/26/15


///...Depends on what you mean by giants...According to the Bible, the giants were the result of the hybridizing of "daughters of men" with "sons of God." It says NOTHING about the offspring being descendants of Cain...---Cluny on 8/26/15///

What do you mean by giants Cluny? What do you mean when you say hybridizing? Who do you suppose the "sons of God" were?
---Leon on 8/26/15


Leon:

You said: Obviously, moot to you 'Axe. Do we not have giants in the land, all over the world, in 2015? How do you explain that?

The mark was supposed to mark Cain and all his descendants, so that nobody would kill them in retribution. As such, it would have to be something that would affect ALL his descendants. Were any of the people on the Ark giants? Since all humanity is descendant from Noah's 3 sons, 1/3 of humanity would have to be giants. Does this describe any major racial group to yuu? If not, then giantism CANNOT be the "Mark of Cain".
---StrongAxe on 8/26/15


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\\Do we not have giants in the land, all over the world, in 2015? How do you explain that?
---Leon on 8/25/15\\

Depends on what you mean by giants.

\\I personally believe God marked Cain with increased size so the others would fear his stature. In other words, Cain became a giant. The men of "renown" were his descendants, i.e., big, large, huge, gigantic men ( & women).\\

According to the Bible, the giants were the result of the hybridizing of "daughters of men" with "sons of God." It says NOTHING about the offspring being descendants of Cain.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/26/15


///In that case, since none of Noah nor his family are listed as giants, the Mark of Cain didn't survive the flood, and whatever it was is now a moot point.
---StrongAxe on 8/25/15///

Obviously, moot to you 'Axe. Do we not have giants in the land, all over the world, in 2015? How do you explain that?
---Leon on 8/25/15


Leon:

I personally believe God marked Cain with increased size so the others would fear his stature. In other words, Cain became a giant. The men of "renown" were his descendants, i.e., big, large, huge, gigantic men ( & women).

In that case, since none of Noah nor his family are listed as giants, the Mark of Cain didn't survive the flood, and whatever it was is now a moot point.
---StrongAxe on 8/25/15


'Axe: G6:9 says Noah was a righteous man. That alone is why his family was saved from the flood. They were covered by his righteousness.

Regarding the wife & daughters inlaw, they very well could've been (or not been) descendants of Cain (G6:1-4). I wonder what Mrs. Noah was doing while Noah got drunk. Did she care? Maybe she & daughter inlaws were lamenting their family losses (parents, siblings, extended family members).

I personally believe God marked Cain with increased size so the others would fear his stature. In other words, Cain became a giant. The men of "renown" were his descendants, i.e., big, large, huge, gigantic men ( & women).
---Leon on 8/24/15


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So, whatever it was, if it survived at all, it could only have done so via Noah's wife (in which case we would all have it), or one of Noah's daughter-in-law (in which case 1/3 of humanity would have it). And remember, God considered those 8 people, alone of all humanity, worthy of saving. ---StrongAxe on 8/24/15


AMEN!!!
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/24/15


Some have taught that the "Mark of Cain" was dark skin, and used that theory to justify white supremacy. What they forget is that EVERYONE from before the flood was wiped out, except Noah, his wife, his sons, and their wives. So, whatever it was, if it survived at all, it could only have done so via Noah's wife (in which case we would all have it), or one of Noah's daughter-in-law (in which case 1/3 of humanity would have it). And remember, God considered those 8 people, alone of all humanity, worthy of saving.
---StrongAxe on 8/24/15


"Does the Bible say what the mark of Cain was?" Not in so many words.
However I believe Cains mark was the Father's ominous warning concerning him, that "whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold."
This warning would have gone before him via word of mouth, or perhaps by Divine Inspiration, as a foreboding omen.
---josef on 8/24/15


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