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Explain Philippians 3:3

What does this verse mean to you?

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Philippians 3:3 KJV

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Trav
My point being,...Jesus told his disciples to stay out of the Samaritan villages (Matthew 10:5), and yet they did just the opposite after his resurrection in (Acts 8:25).

And they, when they had testified and preached the Word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem and preached the Gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.

Why did they preach to the Samaritans?
---David on 10/13/15


But Trav the prophets spoke of the Gentiles coming to follow GOD. Of the Temple being a house of prayer for all nations.

So it is you going against the prophets who stated that Gentiles will come to know GOD.

Psalm 72:17
His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it.

I presented other verse from the prophets before.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/13/15


Trav, what part of everyone do you not believe is everyone?

Address:

Remember Matthew 28:19?

Why do you think Jesus uses a Samaritan to teach the Disciples:
'Who is their neighbor?'
EVERYONE!
That is if you are good as the Samaritan Man. ---Nicole_Lacey on 10/11/15
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/12/15


/Samaritan are 1/2 Jewish.\-Nicole_Lacey on 10/11/15
Samaritans are not 1/2 Jewish.
They are, however, 1/2 (or so) Israelite.
---micha9344 on 10/12/15


...why do you believe he forbid his disciples from teaching them?
---David on 10/11/15

The "sheep are teachable/receptive, even living in Samaria. Mat_10:5 and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Mat 10:6 ...go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Act_8:25 ... returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.
(Villages...hamlets...not vs city)
Where are these "Lost Sheep"? Scattered. Jas_1:1 ...to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting..
Zec_13:7... smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered:
Eze_36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: ... etc, etc, etc.
---Trav on 10/12/15




Really? Do you only read 1/2 of the Gospels.
I know that trick.
Remember Matthew 28:19?

Samaritan are 1/2 Jewish.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/11/15

1/2 of the Gospels? 1/2 jews??

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Teach all nations, ethnos who just as easily could and does mean "ethnos", "nations" of Israel. 13 in all actually, counting Ephraim and Manasseh as one.
GOD does not change. His prophets prophecy and it comes to pass.
Christ does not go against the prophets. Only men/women doctrines do that. Apostles did what they were commanded and are found at the 12 gates in Rev 21.
---Trav on 10/12/15


But back to my question, Did Jesus come to save the Samaritan's too? If he did, why do you believe he forbid his disciples from teaching them?---David on 10/11/15

Really? Do you only read 1/2 of the Gospels.

I know that trick.

Jesus told them FIRST to go to the house of Israel then the rest of the world.
Remember Matthew 28:19?

I believe the Samaritans live one of the ALL Nations the Apostles are going to visit.

Plus, why was Jesus speaking to the Samaritan woman and offering her water to drink?

Samaritan are 1/2 Jewish.

Why do you think Jesus uses a Samaritan to teach the Disciples:
'Who is their neighbor?'

EVERYONE!
That is if you are good as the Samaritan Man.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/11/15


We restrict ourselves usually and are restricted by our learned/taught beliefs...from seeing...marks and signs. Sometimes in fear and sometimes in ignorance---Trav on 10/10/15

Trav
Totally agree, a foible of which folks need to be wary of, when seeking the Truth.

But back to my question, Did Jesus come to save the Samaritan's too? If he did, why do you believe he forbid his disciples from teaching them?
---David on 10/11/15


Trav
But who are the Samaritans? Can they be saved?
---David on 10/10/15

Residence or citizenship does not determine race or heritage. You can find who Samaria was established by and who the region was infuenced by over time.
Our post may have crossed and you missed my post of the Samaritan woman at the well. Her father was Jacob (lineage)...who dug the well.
Christ recognized her, the disciples restricted by custom wouldn't. We restrict ourselves usually and are restricted by our learned/taught beliefs...from seeing...marks and signs. Sometimes in fear and sometimes in ignorance...sometimes by GOD.

Luk_24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
---Trav on 10/10/15


Judah only makes 1/12th of Israel.--Trav on 10/9/15

Trav
Wow....I must confess my ignorance. I have always believed the Jews were the twelve tribes of Israel. Thank you for the enlightenment.

But who are the Samaritans? Can they be saved?
---David on 10/10/15




By same criteria above...why didn't GOD say "with the gentiles" in the New Covenant--Trav

Trav
I need to know if you think the Samaritans are Jews too.
---David on 10/9/15

David...Judah only makes 1/12th of Israel. You only compound your confusion by not verifying with Prophets. Prophets Christ honored/fulfilled. But you won't?? Hmmm.

I'll give you an example of a lost Sheep.
Joh 4:9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
Joh_4:12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
---Trav on 10/9/15


Trav, David, please forgive me for butting in but I have a few questions. Do you know that although Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep, He also came into the world for judgement? John 9:39-41. Who was He sent to judge? Matt 21:33-46. Did you know that Jesus told the Jews that they were NOT His sheep unless they followed Him. John 10:24-31.

Wasn't the prophecy from God to reunite all the tribes of Israel conditional? Didn't they fail to meet the requirements in Dan 9:24 and so Jesus came and took the Kingdom away from them?

Didn't Jesus send His disciples into ALL Nations? Who does that exclude? Matt 28:18-20.
---barb on 10/9/15


By same criteria above...why didn't GOD say "with the gentiles" in the New Covenant--Trav

Trav
Because World is all inclusive, includes both the Jew and the Gentile.

I have a question which will illustrates this point, but before I make it, I need to know if you think the Samaritans are Jews too.

Are they Jewish according the "ethnos" connection?
---David on 10/9/15


Okay, lets just suppose...,
...In (John 3:16) it says, "For God so loved ...Son....

Why does it say "World", and not "The Children of Abraham"?...
---David on 10/8/15

Ha. Understand your quandry, raised on and drank this same doctrinal milk 40yrs.
By same criteria above...why didn't GOD say "with the gentiles" in the New Covenant: Heb_8:8 ...saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Christ said he prayed not for the "world" (kosmos)
Joh_17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine.
Joh_17:12
---Trav on 10/8/15


Your Latin word has no basis of "ethnos" connection, just denom/doctrinal conjecture.--Trav

Trav
Sorry for the delay my friend, been away for a few days.

Okay, lets just suppose you are right,
Answer me this, In (John 3:16) it says, "For God so loved the W-O-R-L-D, he gave his only begotten Son....

Why does it say "World", and not "The Children of Abraham"?
Is the word "World" mistranslated too, and it actually translates into "The Children of Abraham" in the "ethnos" connection?
---David on 10/8/15


Trav
Jesus used traps too.
---David on 10/3/15

Ha, ha. You are reading too fast and not digesting. "Tried" was ur first key word. You "tried" to dig a pit/trap but, fell back in the circular latin confusion.
Also...Jesus succeeded. Your latin word has no basis of "etnos" connection, just denom/doctrinal conjecture. If you'll slow down and apply the variable meanings the "original" word offers, you might get a glimpse of the Israel you didn't know existed until recently. You maybe in the mirror.

Amo_9:9 For, lo, I will command, I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
---Trav on 10/5/15


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First trying to lay a "gentile" trap.--Trav

Trav
Jesus used traps too. He used them against those who believed a lie. But what was the reason? Did he do it for good or for evil. He did it for good, he did it to open the eyes of those who were blind to a truth.

I do it for the very same reason. It matters not that I have developed a friendship with you. These traps are the only way to open the eyes of the blind, for they are set with Truth.

If you felt trapped, it was not me, but the Truth which trapped you.
---David on 10/3/15


If this is true, in (Matthew 10,5 & 6) Jesus is forbidding his disciples to bring the new Covenant to the house of Israel.
---David on 10/2/15

Well David, I like you a lot but, you've done yourself a dirty here on truth. First trying to lay a "gentile" trap. You never have looked up all the meanings of the word it's obvious, which can also cover a group outside the group being discussed. But, the worst dirty to yourself is not confirming who is being written to in the Old Testament and new. All scripture becomes more clear when we accept GOD, being GOD can choose who he wants. He chose Israel...as a wife, a servant people. An honor and a work. Not many can accept a Bible written to All Israel.
---Trav on 10/2/15


Trav
...explain, ...
---David on 9/29/15

David lets start over on the basis you and I wouldn't argue with GOD's prophets.

Eze_34:6 My sheep wandered through all... my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.
Eze_34:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
Eze_34:12...his sheep that are scattered, so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them...
Hos 3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, without a prince, ...
Hos 3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, seek the LORD their God, and David their king, shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.
---Trav on 10/2/15


For David:
Zec_8:13... ye were a curse among the heathen,(goy),(gentile),(locust),(people) O house of Judah, and house of Israel, so will I save you, ye shall be a blessing:...
Eze_37:28 the heathen(goy),(gentile),(locust),(people) shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
Eze_39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel, I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: the heathen (goy),(gentile),(locust),(people) shall know I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
Amo_9:9 For, lo, I will command, I will sift the house of Israel among all nations,heathen,(goy),(gentile),(locust),(people) ...not the least grain fall upon the earth.
---Trav on 10/2/15


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Then this would make Paul a disobedient rebel. Using your word gentile he is.-Trav

Trav
Whoa...
You said on 9/28, in the changing of the word "Gentile" in my posting of (Romans 2:14), the word "Gentile" is mistranslated and actually means (Ethnos", Nth House Israel).

If this is true, in (Matthew 10,5 & 6) Jesus is forbidding his disciples to bring the new Covenant to the house of Israel. You make Jesus the Rebel, for in (Hebrews 8:8) God says he will make this New covenant with both houses.
---David on 10/2/15


Trav
...explain, how your definition of Gentile, fits into the commands Jesus gave to his disciples in (Matthew 10:5 & 6)?
---David on 9/29/15

First of all you established that not all Israel is Judah/jews.
Consider the verses David in Matt . You posted that Christ said not to go to these. Then this would make Paul a disobedient rebel. Using your word gentile he is. Understanding that ethnos/nations is the original word used now helps support Paul and gives you a choice to be confirmed by the prophets. Ethnos and nations of whom? Israels ethnos/nations or others.
Matt 10:6/Matt 15:24

The North House of Ten lost her married name/position...but, they still remain as a people/sheep "Lost".
---Trav on 10/1/15


Trav
Could you explain, how your definition of Gentile, fits into the commands Jesus gave to his disciples in (Matthew 10:5 & 6)?
These twelve Jesus sent forth and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

If the Gentiles mentioned in this passage, are who you say they are, why would Jesus command his disciples not to go to them in verse 5?
Why would Jesus, put them in the same category as the Samaritans, if they are Jews?
---David on 9/29/15


Trav
If Jesus came for all twelve, then all twelve were invited to the wedding (Matthew 22:2-3).
---David on 9/22/15

Re-reading ... here are some additional,scriptures. Husband must die for the Ten divorced to be free. Death also frees Judah. Adultery law in marriages,Jer 3:8, Eze 16:32-44.
The Northern House of Ten were put away...Jer 3:1..her land greatly polluted.
How can a wife remarry? The husband must die for the wife to be as a Virgin again, free to remarry. Rom_7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth, but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
A promise: Isa 54:4...
---Trav on 9/29/15


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(Romans 2:14) For when the (Ethnos", Nth House Israel), who have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, they, not having the law, are a law unto themselves
---David on 9/28/15

Key to your question is here:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, ...

Note witnesses.
Prophets...Prophecy:
Jer 31:33...saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, write it in their hearts, ...

Prophecy fulfilled:
Heb_8:10 ...I will put my laws into their mind, write them in their hearts: ...

Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts ...
---Trav on 9/28/15


Trav
(Romans 2:14), tell me the tribes who were not under the law?
(Romans 2:14)
---David on 9/28/15

All Israel is under GOD's covenanted, law. But, divorced of GOD, the ten were outside the "commonwealth" of Israel.
Refer to Heb 8:10/Jer 31:33. Laws written on the "House of Israel" mind and hearts. Written on yours??
Don't take it personal. The "objective" fails. It does not align the second stick of two sticks, the "divorced" House of Israel. Doctrines of men reject these sticks as you are.
Scriptures answered you multiple times... an old/new "treasure", in the scriptural field of the divorced Northern house of "Ten".
---Trav on 9/28/15


Your objective fails because it cannot embrace "all" scripture O.T., NT.--Trav on 9/27/15

Trav
Have I, or have I failed because you failed to answer my question?

Who are the "Gentiles" mentioned in (Romans 2:14), who do not have the Law? If they are the Children of Abraham, tell me the tribes who were not under the law?

(Romans 2:14) For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, they, not having the law, are a law unto themselves
---David on 9/28/15


Trav
My objective, was to prove to you, "Gentile" means what I believe ... ...
---David on 9/26/15

Your objective fails because it cannot embrace "all" scripture O.T., NT.
All promises/Covenants prophecies were to Israel or concerning Israel the Whole House or divided, Ten being dispersed among the heathen countries.
Northern House of Ten of Israel, is the "ethnos"/nation your recent "latin" translation word means.
Context/Witnesses
1. The Covenant first and foremost. Old and New with one Ethnos/Nation of people.
2. Two Sticks a Nation divided.
3. Marriage,Divorce, Remarriage all Israels scripture.
Your only failure? Not seeing/finding the Lost Sheep House of Ten.
---Trav on 9/27/15


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Trav
My objective, using the Parable, was to prove to you, "Gentile" means what I believe it to mean. Since I have failed, I will go a different route.

In defining words in the Bible, I rely more on the context of their use, than I do a dictionary. With that in mind, in the following verse, who are the "Gentiles" who do not have the Law?
(Romans 2:14) For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, they, not having the law, are a law unto themselves

---David on 9/26/15


...why didn't all the tribes receive the original invitation?
---David on 9/25/15

Consider a divorce of 10/12ths of your wives. Do you visit/offer them first or un-divorced wives house. Both houses failed the first covenant but, Judah was never declared divorced. Would GOD provide an illegitimate son? No.
Here, we should carefully agree not to take away or add to GOD's blueprint building our understanding.
Utilize the scriptural framework, the foundation scriptures previously posted leading to the Lords arrival. Search more easily using key words. Words like Divorce, betrothed, put away, husband, Ishi, Baali, everlasting, for ever, only, love, loved, peculiar etc. Use concordance/dictionary to deepen King James english.
---Trav on 9/25/15


The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel are the Northern House of Ten are the Ten Virgins.--Trav on 9/24/15

Trav
In the parable about the lost sheep, I agree, it is Israel. You opened my eyes to the meaning of the lost sheep parable, and I thank you.

My questions come from the (Matthew 22) parable, not the Lost sheep parables. I will make my questions clearer.

Which tribes were the original invitees to the wedding in (Matthew 22:3)? And which tribes did not receive the original invitation (Matthew 22:9)?
And why didn't all the tribes receive the original invitation?
---David on 9/25/15


Trav
Help me to understand your position.
And when Judah rejected this invitation, God invited, the originally uninvited, Benjamin?
And the tribes which comprised Israel, were never invited?
---David on 9/23/15

GOD's prophecied position, is my position.
Does your family come before me? Yes, everyday in every way. So did Christ's.
He knew ahead of time Judah would refuse him. Choice of Judas reflects this.
The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel are the Northern House of Ten are the Ten Virgins.
You are complicating this for yourself not understanding/unaware of the division of the two houses in the O.T. and the prophecies. I posted scriptures that show the reuniting of this entire people.
---Trav on 9/24/15


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He came for his own...Judah/Benjamin. Judah his own family/nation would have him not.--Trav

Trav
Help me to understand your position.

Are you saying, you believe Gods invitation was only for Judah, not the tribes of Israel and Benjamin?

And when Judah rejected this invitation, God invited, the originally uninvited, Benjamin?
And the tribes which comprised Israel, were never invited?
---David on 9/23/15


Who were the replacements invited to the wedding, for those who refused?
---David on 9/22/15

He came for his own...Judah/Benjamin. Judah his own family/nation would have him not.
Therefore he sent his Apostles Matt 10:6/15:24 to the "Lost Sheep of the House of Israel" the Ten brother house/nations of Israel. Who had been scattered, dispersed. GOD plans a marriage he prophecied it...right? (Scriptures posted earlier) If a Covenant Marriage, there is a covenant right? Jer 31:31-33 / Heb 8:8-10.
GOD does what he says.
If you are one of these "Lost Sheep" would it change the way your honor the Prophets?
Joh_10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
---Trav on 9/22/15


He came for twelve. The "invited" were his own, Judah. --Trav on 9/21/15

Trav
If Jesus came for all twelve, then all twelve were invited to the wedding in (Matthew 22:2-3). But it says those who were invited to the wedding, did not come.

Since they refused to come to the wedding, (Matthew 22:9) says God invited others to the wedding.
Who were the replacements invited to the wedding, for those who refused?
---David on 9/22/15


"We are the circumcision", Paul is speaking metaphorically of the true worshippers who have had their hearts circumcised by the Holy Spirit. The truth has been revealed to the true worshippers that their salvation is not through the works of the flesh but by the grace of God. These true worshippers understand themselves to be sinners and Christ to be the only way of salvation. That's why Paul states that they have no confidence in their flesh, i.e. their own works. Their confidence is in the finished work of Jesus Christ!!!
---trey on 9/21/15


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I am merely presenting Travis with evidence,...
I choose to present evidence, not argument, to those with whom I disagree.
---David on 9/21/15

Evidence. Good stuff. Like yourself, it is better that the argument is between the prophets/Christ/Apostles and the person arguing. After all, who would argue with a prophet who is speaking for GOD? Only a deceived person or one with a personal purpose or misunderstanding.

Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
---Trav on 9/21/15


(Matthew 22:2 & 3)...king who arranged a marriage for his son...

Who are "Those invited", referenced in this parable? Did Jesus come for all Twelve Tribes, or just 10?
---David on 9/19/15

He came for twelve. The "invited" were his own, Judah. Judah would have him not. The "10" virgins would be next, the Northern House of Israel. (Cement these stones with Prophets Jer 3:1, 31:4, Mal 3:6,7 + over 60 more)
Matt 10:6/Matt 15:24 are specific instructions from Christ. Taking place when his own would not have him. Heb 8:8-10, sealed covenant by death.
(I'll post because you will pause and look at the 60 + verses) I cannot open what the Lord has closed. Ask of him)
---Trav on 9/21/15


Did Jesus come for all Twelve Tribes, or just 10?
---David on 9/19/15

Rom_11:26...all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, ...:
Lev 20:22-26. Deut 7:6-15.
Isa 42:22, 43:1, 43:5-6, 53:1,54:1,4,5,6, 62:4, 62:5, 66:22.
Jer 2:2,3:1,3:8, 3:14, 4:20, 5:21, 29:11,12,13, 31:4, 31:32. Joel 2:16, Hosea 4:19,20, 2:7, 12:12, 13:9, 13:12. Amos 9:9, Zec 10:6, 10:8, 10:9, Mal 3:6,7. Micah 2:12, 7:18-20. Eze 34:5-14, 37:16,17.
(David these are not exhaustive, just theme search notes. Israel is Cinder-ella (Cinder girl), in a Cinderella story) Matt 18:11.
---Trav on 9/21/15


So where in Philippians 3 does Paul teach the Two House False doctrine? --kathr4453

Kathryn
I'm not saying it does.

I am merely presenting Travis with evidence, evidence which I believe proves the "Gentiles" mentioned in the New Testament, are not of the twelve tribes of Israel, as Travis believes.

I choose to present evidence, not argument, to those with whom I disagree. When you present it as an argument, it closes their mind. This is why there is so much anger on CN, too much argument, and not enough evidence.
---David on 9/21/15


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So where in Philippians 3 does Paul teach the Two House False doctrine? It appears to me he considers his Jewish heritage DUNG in comparison to Knowing Christ. He says he has no confidence IN THE FLESH, referring to his Jewish heritage. This chapter totally shows the two house theory as false.
---kathr4453 on 9/20/15


/Did Jesus come for all Twelve Tribes, or just 10?\-David on 9/19/15
Judah was not lost, but displaced for a time.
Levi was always His.
---micha9344 on 9/19/15


The Northern house divorced/put away is 10 parts of Israel.--Trav

Trav
I didn't know that. Thanks Trav. I will make a study of your referenced material. Looks like an interesting read.

And I never really thought of it in that manner, but the Bible is much like a coal mine. Some mine for coal, and some, mine for the diamonds in coal mine.

(Matthew 22:2 & 3) The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding, and they were not willing to come.

Who are "Those invited", referenced in this parable? Did Jesus come for all Twelve Tribes, or just 10?





---David on 9/19/15


Mat_10,6..Mat_15:24..Mat_18:11 ...Luk_19:10 --Trav on 9/14/15

Trav
Who called for the death of Jesus Christ?
---David on 9/16/15

You are a miner for truth, dicussing this will require it. The Northern house divorced/put away is 10 parts of Israel. Judah/Benjamin the Northern house. 2Chronicles 10, Jer 3, 13:11, Amo_9:9, Zec_8:13.

Christ came to his own...Judah. Joh_1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Luk_4:24. The Southern House of Ten, the "lost Sheep" has and does, recognize and receive him to this day. More fully when they hear/understand the "Truth".
---Trav on 9/18/15


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/The reason I ask you this question, is to remind you, the 12 tribes of Abraham obvious rejection of Jesus Christ.\-David on 9/17/15
Not all 12 tribes rejected Christ.
It was only the Jews (of Judah) that did.
Act 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
-A whole town in Samaria (once Israel) accepted him.
John 4:39,41 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did...And many more believed because of his own word,
---micha9344 on 9/18/15


No such thing as the 12 Tribes of Abraham.--kathr4453

Kathryn
I know you mean well, and I do appreciate your correction.

I use Abraham instead of Israel, because the tribe of Judah became separated from the tribes of Israel and they became two separate nations. And as you may know, Trav uses this separation in his theology.

I was merely pointing out they are all the children of Abraham, from the same tree, all original invites to the wedding.
---David on 9/18/15


No such thing as the 12 Tribes of Abraham. That could be confused David with Ishmael , Abraham other son. Abraham may have had other children as we see after Sarah died, but no mention of Abraham's sons, even Isaac being a tribe.

The 12 are from Jacob's sons. And again seeing Esau was Jacob's brother and Abraham's grandson as well, who also was the head of many nations/ tribes......it could get rather confusing saying the 12 tribes of Abraham. No scripture ever says the 12 tribes of Abraham.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/15


Trav
Who called for the death of Jesus Christ? ---David on 9/16/15


Trav
The reason I ask you this question, is to remind you, the 12 tribes of Abraham obvious rejection of Jesus Christ.
They were the ones invited to the wedding in (Matthew 22:2), who did not come.

You believe, the Jews will be the only ones saved. If this is true, who are the ones in the (Matthew 22) parable, those who were not originally invited to the wedding, but were invited, after Abraham's children rejected Christ?

Wasn't the tribe of Judah also in the original invitation?
If they were, who are the ones God invited, that were not in the original invite?
---David on 9/17/15


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The reason we have no confidence in the flesh, is because it has been crucified with Christ ...Galatians 2:20-21 also support Phil 3:3 and Colossians 2 and Romans 6-8. As you continue to read the whole chapter of Philippians 3, Paul gives a step by step witness and testimony of what life is comparing the flesh...using his Jewish background of what life was like in the flesh re keeping the law etc, to what life is like living in the Spirit. Walking in the Spirit is the crucified life. It's either one or the other. The true circumcision live the crucified life.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/15


Learner2, you will find the answer in scripture, as scripture teaches scripture. Here is the answer to your question of Phil 3:3....

Colossians 2: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
---kathr4453 on 9/16/15


Romans 7 clearly teach those in Christ are not only freed from the Law, but also freed from sin. If we died to sin, we are freed from sin. Same principle.

Romans 7:3-4

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ, that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
---kathr453 on 9/16/15


I believe, Samuel, that you have it backwards.
Paul pointed out that following the 2 automatically means you're following the 10.
Preaching the 10 to the believer is fruitless, since fruit comes from the Spirit, which shows in following the 2.
The Bible is very clear on the reason for the 10: to point people to Christ. Through the Spirit, a person believes and abides and is sealed. The 10 has done it's intended purpose and is nigh unto passing away, but does not return to the Father void. It had it's use.
The Church sees this and wants what God wants, that all come to repentance.
The Church knows the need for the 10 and knows what law she is not under.
Under Christ and under the law are two different things.
---micha9344 on 9/16/15


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Samuel BB said, " Monk Where does the Bible say we are freed from the law?"

Romans 8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
---Monk_Brendan on 9/16/15


Mat_10,6..Mat_15:24..Mat_18:11 ...Luk_19:10 --Trav on 9/14/15

Trav
Who called for the death of Jesus Christ?
---David on 9/16/15


Because Micha the Two Great Commandments are also from Moses and Paul point that they lead to keeping the Ten Commandments.

Rom 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Ephesians 6:2
Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,)

Following the two leads us to keep all ten for the correct reason. Because we love GOD and love others. It does not lead to breaking them which shows hate.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/14/15


Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore,...
All people of the world are to be called.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/10/15

Well I don't post this for you. But rather those searching for clean unmuddied truth. It is not for everyone. Some prefer cloudy water.
Christ is very specific, as are the prophets and the covenants.

Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Luk_19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
---Trav on 9/14/15


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Agreed, Samuel.
So why not move past the Decalogue, which is for the unbeliever, a shadow of the Royal Law, and irrelevant for the believer, and move toward the 2 greatest commandments, because the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life?
---micha9344 on 9/14/15


micha9344

I would not think of doing that.

But if you are going 35 you are not breaking the 55 sign either.

Paul said it best.

Rom 13:8,9

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Ephesians 6:2
Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,)

Love goes above the letter not against the letter.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/13/15


/Jesus makes it stricter then just not murder but to not hate.\-Samuelbb7 on 9/11/15
Precisely Samuel. If there are 2 speed limit signs posted, 1 for 35 and 1 for 55, the 55 is irrelevant.
Same too with "Love thy neighbor" and "Thou shalt not kill."
The first makes the second irrelevant and is shadowed, especially when it has done it's job in bringing us to Christ. Once in Christ and not under the law, the Holy Spirit does his work in us and will complete it until the Day of our Lord.
Please don't diminish the Spirit's work in the believer's life.
---micha9344 on 9/11/15


Monk Where does the Bible say we are freed from the law?

The Bible says:

Romans 7:6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held, that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

We are to serve in the Spirit. Which Matthew 5 speaks on.

Jesus makes it stricter then just not murder but to not hate. Pray about it.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/11/15


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Light is one thing...promises/covenants are another. ---Trav on 9/10/15

Trav
I agree.
---David on 9/11/15


Romans 9:6
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

In the Old Testament or Old Covenant. Prophet's spoke against those that only kept rituals. Not a clean heart and following the word of GOD.

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.

When we follow GOD. We are the true Jews. The True Israel. Not those who just have a bloodline.

Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

All people of the world are to be called.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/10/15


Trav
...with the word "Gentile", how can anyone be enlightened?

If I had not seen God keep his promises, all I would have is words.

...if God had not kept his promises?
---David on 9/10/15

I borrowed part of your phrase above. The word was not original, and shows that it is doctrinally tainted.
It's interesting you mentioned promises. Lets go the additional level and call them covenants.
It would be up to you to look up the 292 scriptures this word comes up in and the people it deals with. Promises...yes. And why I believe as well. Light is one thing...promises/covenants are another.
---Trav on 9/10/15


If scripture cannot enlighten you, how would arguing personally ever accomplish anything? ---Trav on 9/9/15

Trav
You have a good case, if I accept the meanings of the words in the scriptures you present, as evidence. But if I choose to reject the meanings of the words in those scriptures, as you have done with the word "Gentile", how can anyone be enlightened?

Besides, my relationship with God is all the enlightenment I will ever need. It's a relationship of promises, much like the one Abraham had with God. If I had not seen God keep his promises, all I would have is words.

Would Abraham have come to trust God, with the life of his son Isaac, if God had not kept his promises?
---David on 9/10/15


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I didn't realize that the word "circumcized" needed further explanation (it is the old word that refers to APPROVAL, sanctification, etc.).

TRUE "circumcision" IS NOT LITERAL.

These days, we use different words than the people of ancient times (the language and words today are not the same as then).
---faithforfaith on 9/9/15


Faith for faith said, "WE are not Jews, WE are the TRULY "circumcized" ... IF we have become "True worshipers" (John 4:23) and DO IN FACT worship SPIRITUALLY, not PHYSICALLY ..."

Faith, that sounds awfully smug.

The issue is circumcision, not where or how we worship. Jesus freed us from the Law. A man may be uncircumcised, and yet be totally led by the Holy Spirit, and fully in love with Jesus. The idea of a man having his foreskin surgically removed to be able to worship God--or even to "obey Him," is superstitious, if not totally silly and stupid. We are not under the law, but under Grace.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/9/15


It marks Israel. ---Trav on 9/2/15

Travis
I would argue this point, but since you believe all bibles have mistranslated the word "Gentiles", there really isn't any point.
---David on 9/5/15

I believe the original meaning applied gives clarity/understanding to what was an unused latin word at that time.
I see that Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31 are specific. I believe that a command of YAHSHUA supercedes everything we or an Apostle argue with. Matt 10:6/Matt 15:24.
I don't imagine but know that these scriptures stop your arguments. As they should.
I wish you would argue so scripture might speak to you and not me. If scripture cannot enlighten you, how would arguing personally ever accomplish anything?
---Trav on 9/9/15


Michael faithfor faith.

Good points.

I agree and support your points.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/6/15


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This circumcision, is a spiritual circumcision which is cutting off of old Adam, which was superfluous, and as believers we dont need old Adam, we have the new nature. Paul alone deals with old Adam or that old sin nature. Beware of those things, because were not concerned about circumcision in the flesh, but we are concerned about the spiritual circumcision which only God can do.
---michael_e on 9/5/15


It marks Israel. ---Trav on 9/2/15

Travis
I would argue this point, but since you believe all bibles have mistranslated the word "Gentiles", there really isn't any point.
---David on 9/5/15


It means that we (Holy Spirit/the divine spirit) worshipers not just received Jesus as our SAVIOR, but also can relate to the creator because we have a heavenly attitude/spirit because we have been taught by the creator's perfect/Holy Spirit.

Rom 8:16 it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

Act 11:2 So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcision party criticized him,


Rom 2:26 So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision?

Rom 2:27 Then those who are physically uncircumcised but keep the law will condemn you who have the written code and circumcision but break the law.
---faithforfaith on 9/3/15


WE are not Jews, WE are the TRULY "circumcized" (perfected in Jesus's Spirit) IF we have become "True worshipers" (John 4:23) and DO IN FACT worship SPIRITUALLY, not PHYSICALLY (don't worship with hands, rituals, books, buildings).

We should place no trust in THE FLESH (only have confidence in what is divine/God).

IF our worship/devotion is FROM THE HEART/MIND (with principles/precepts of peace/truth, etc.), then we will be worshiping "SPIRITUALLY" from our spirit.

We should not honor God using OUR LIPS (lip service).

In Isaiah 29:13, God is speaking about those who HONOR HIM with THEIR LIPS and mentions that they also FEAR HIM (we should NOT be scared of OUR FATHER...Abba Father).
---faithforfaith on 9/3/15


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Circumcision in both the Old, and the New covenant, marks the children of God.
---David on 9/2/15

It marks Israel. GOD does not change. A light to others, a promise to Israel.

Rom_15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

Giving his life to confirm these promises. Promises that are specific. If they were not we could not believe that this was the same GOD.

Heb_8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
---Trav on 9/2/15


Notice Paul says, "We are the Circumcision", not "We are the children of God".
Why?
Because he is referring to those, who like him, have had their hearts circumcised.

The circumcision of the heart, removes the fleshly desires we are all born with. The removal of this desire to do evil, leaves us only with a desire to serve God, not the flesh.

This circumcision is our sign we have been born of God.
Circumcision in both the Old, and the New covenant, marks the children of God.

---David on 9/2/15


This is the start of Paul's dissertation as to why he is the "greatest Jew" ever. With all of that said in the following verses it provides him no comfort or satisfaction in knowing, belief, or faith in Christ. Only his faith in grace, Jesus's death is he saved. No matter my history of being a Christian I am still saved by grace and God does not automatically have to give me anything.
---Scott1 on 9/1/15


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