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Why is it many of the people you see on TBN and Daystar say the Gift of God is free, yet tell people they must send them money if they want to receive a blessing from God?

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If scripture states something say like Love thy Neighbor.

Then we should all agree to love our neighbors. If a person says it does not say love our neighbor then they should be able to explain those passages that say to do so.

Unfortunately not all points are this easy. But the goal is to make all doctrine agree with Scripture.

Unless you believe something like tradition is a higher authority then scripture.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/11/15



\\We know your doctrine is not your own but is a doctrine of men, certainly not from God.
\\

It is too from God, so there!

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 10/10/15


As evidenced by proposing teachings that are unbiblical? Yeah, you make a good case, Cluny.
---Jed on 10/11/15


Jed:

You said: We know your doctrine is not your own but is a doctrine of men, certainly not from God.

Who is this "we" that know this, and how do "we" know it, and know it "certainly"?


Cluny:

You said: It is too from God, so there!

"Neener, neener" has never been particularly persuasive debating technique.


Andrea:

You said: I feel that Christianet should cease displaying such answers and leave us all get back on track and behave as Christians.

It seems like the moderation robots filter out certain "objectionable" words, but the moderators seem to otherwise allow the vilest vitriol to get through unchallenged.
---StrongAxe on 10/11/15


\\We know your doctrine is not your own but is a doctrine of men, certainly not from God.
\\

It is too from God, so there!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/15


\\You don't actually think that YOURS is, do you? If so, you are certainly deluded more than anyone here.
\\

I know my doctrine is not my own.

I don't know about you or Trav.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 10/9/15

No one said anything about your doctrine being your own. We know your doctrine is not your own but is a doctrine of men, certainly not from God.
---Jed on 10/10/15




\\I feel that Christianet should cease displaying such answers and leave us all get back on track and behave as Christians.
---andreea on 10/10/15\\

You're not familiar with the vast amount of Christian polemic literature, are you, andreea?

Being a Christian is not the same thing as being "nice." St. Paul said a few sharp things, too, you know.

Or did you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/15


'Trav, are you so deluded you think your application of the Scriptures is the same as God's?

Is it REALLY necessary for anyone here to give replies like the one above (note that I have removed the name because there is more than one offender).

Christianet is, surely, put in place for us to help each other. If we all just want a slanging match there are far better (worldly sites) for doing that.

I feel that Christianet should cease displaying such answers and leave us all get back on track and behave as Christians.
---andreea on 10/10/15


Trav, are you so deluded you think your application of the Scriptures is the same as God's? ---Cluny on 10/8/15

You don't actually think that YOURS is, do you? If so, you are certainly deluded more than anyone here.
---Jed on 10/9/15

Amen . Cluny, strangely being "un-deluded" cannot rebuke any scripture I've presented for 8 years.
A genius such as he should be able to feed the sheep with the truth that I'm not presenting properly. And I admit...I do a poor job finding any sheep...but, then scripture speaks/finds those it was intended too. I don't draw them GOD does.
Joh_6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: I will raise him up at the last day.
---Trav on 10/9/15


\\You don't actually think that YOURS is, do you? If so, you are certainly deluded more than anyone here.
\\

I know my doctrine is not my own.

I don't know about you or Trav.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/9/15


Trav, are you so deluded you think your application of the Scriptures is the same as God's? ---Cluny on 10/8/15

You don't actually think that YOURS is, do you? If so, you are certainly deluded more than anyone here.
---Jed on 10/9/15




Trav, are you so deluded you think your application of the Scriptures is the same as God's?
---Cluny on 10/8/15

Punks you out every time. You cannot show where the scriptures...witnessing scriptures I post disagree with anything other than your weak doctrines of men.

Show where Matt 10:6, Matt 15:24, Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31 is not applicable. Want a couple of sticks to look at?
Eze_37:17 join them one to another into one stick, and they shall become one in thine hand.
Eze_37:19 ... Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
---Trav on 10/9/15


\\ Your silence exhibits that you don't accept GOD's application of them. \\

Trav, are you so deluded you think your application of the Scriptures is the same as God's?

If so you're in worse shape than I thought.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/8/15


Do not merely listen to The Word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.
---Jed on 10/8/15


Next, I hear the Scriptures. I just don't receive YOUR application of them.
---Cluny on 10/7/15

Scriptures? Your silence exhibits that you don't accept GOD's application of them. I didn't write the scriptures, I only point to those you avoid. But, then these scriptures shine light on doctrines of men. Understand your fear. Leaving all your rituals for truth. Many cannot do it, its called the "wide way".
These many years of you correcting every misspelled word...but you cannot correct the scriptures witnessing scriptures, or the application of them.
You testify they are not posted for you, then they aren't but, actually for any "Sheep" searching truth. You make it possible.
---Trav on 10/8/15


\\you won't see or here them. \\

First off, the word is "hear", not "here".

Next, I hear the Scriptures. I just don't receive YOUR application of them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/15


Many don't understand this verse. First, Jesus said where two or three are gathered, how does this apply to four or more? Plus, why would it take two or three believers for Jesus to be in their midst? Isnt He already present in each and every individual believer? So even if one Christian prays, isnt Jesus already there?
---michael_e on 10/6/15


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...yet to be established is if you and your little friends (both of them) gather in the name of the REAL Jesus.
---Cluny on 10/6/15

I've established that my friends never disagree, all the Prophets, Christ and Apostles. Who have spoken and shown themselves to you but, you won't see or here them.
My "Ecclesia" calls upon them for witness and they testify by the hundreds of verses.
Mat_5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil
Mat_23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
2Co_13:1 ...In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
---Trav on 10/6/15


\\Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.\\
Many people misuse this verse. First, Jesus said where two or three are gathered in His name, how could this apply to settings of four or more? Also, why would it take two or three believers to be gathered together for Jesus to be in their midst? Isnt He already present in each and every individual believer? So even if one Christian prays, isnt Jesus already there?
---michael_e on 10/6/15


\\Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. \\

What has yet to be established is if you and your little friends (both of them) gather in the name of the REAL Jesus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/15


And who buys refreshments for those people? ...your so-called man made non-denominational denominational church.
---Monk_Brendan on 9/20/15

Doing what is expected of your father. Beating the "Sheep".

Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Isa_5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Jer_23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people, Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
---Trav on 10/6/15


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Trav said, "...Here is a text.
You accuse Steven who you resent having a home church of needing money for refreshments.


No, I accused nobody. I merely asked where the refreshments came from.

Then claim you receive no refreshments?

I said no such thing! What I said was that I get no financial aid or food from the Church.
Yeah right. Someone paid your wafers and wine. Unless you are slipping the priest a coin?
Probably the alcohol drank on bingo nights.


The last is utterly false! I send in my tithe each month. I do not slip anything to Fr. Peter., nor am I an alcoholic

BTW, we use leavened bread, not wafers.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/5/15


Are you not listening, Trav? I get no money from ANY type of Church.
What about the Scriptures I sent you? Were they not witness enough?
---Monk_Brendan on 9/24/15

Hello, hello...your garbled up. Here is a text.
You accuse Steven who you resent having a home church of needing money for refreshments. Then claim you receive no refreshments? Yeah right. Someone paid your wafers and wine. Unless you are slipping the priest a coin?
Probably the alcohol drank on bingo nights.
Now you think you have a witness of some sort sending Israels scriptures for something as proof... that Steven gets funded.
catholic/universal is not is scripture.
No wonder you pay for everything. Who would fund your confusion.
---Trav on 10/1/15


Trav said, "Mt 26:25-27: To the 12 Apostles of Israel.
Mk 14:21-23: 12 Baskets of food ... Israel feeds the multitudes now of her excess.
Lk 22:18-20: Cup of New Testament to Israel.
Jn 6:50-58: New bread compared to manna of Fathers...of Israel.
1 Cor 10:15-17: Keep away from sacrifice of Devils.
1 Cor 11:23-25: New Covenant ...for remembrance.
1 Cor 11:28-30 :1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body."


Trav, all you did was cut and paste the various verses. You are proving me correct, YOU cannot give me any Scriptural witness that contradicts what I first sent to you.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/30/15


These people need to be stripped of their 501(c)3.

They also should be charged, prosecuted, convicted, and sent to prison for fraud!!!
---Rob on 9/29/15


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Trav, I gave you Scriptural witnesses.
---Monk_Brendan on 9/25/15

Your scriptures witness facts to Israel. Bring all the O.T. Prophets to your prodding feasts and learn.
Mt 26:25-27: To the 12 Apostles of Israel.
Mk 14:21-23: 12 Baskets of food left for the multitudes. Israel feeds the multitudes now of her excess.
Lk 22:18-20: Cup of New Testament to Israel.
Jn 6:50-58: New bread compared to manna of Fathers...of Israel.
1 Cor 10:15-17: Keep away from sacrifice of Devils.
1 Cor 11:23-25: New Covenant to Israel for remembrance.
1 Cor 11:28-30 :1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
---Trav on 9/28/15


Trav said, "Christ never authorized you or your superstitious customs by your lack of witnesses in scripture to back your tags."

Trav, I gave you Scriptural witnesses. You have yet to respond. I will post them again, and you can take them one at a time, if you wish. Pray and consider:

Mt 26:25-27
Mk 14:21-23
Lk 22:18-20
Jn 6:50-58
1 Cor 10:15-17
1 Cor 11:23-25
1 Cor 11:28-30

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/25/15


The passages trey posted do not speak well of those caught in their snares either.
But there is the body of Christ.
Gal 6:1 ...if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear...take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell [it] unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
---micha9344 on 9/25/15


Trey, you got it correct. It is so very sad that so many people miss it and have got it wrong.
---Rob on 9/24/15


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Some bible verses to think on:
Ac 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Simon the sorcerer thought to make money off of the power of God.

2Tim 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. (KJV)

2Tim 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, (KJV)

Christ spoke of the miracle of the poor having the gospel preached to them.

These people Rob speaks of are only in it for filthy lucre.
---trey on 9/24/15


Trav said, "...The point was simple. No one needs your scripturally unsupported group or a monks to find Christ. 12 original men proclaimed Christ based on O.T. prophecies not the unfounded, unprophecied doctrines of men that you do. ... False is false.
Mic 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, the priests thereof teach for hire, the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us"


Are you not listening, Trav? I get no money from ANY type of Church.

What about the Scriptures I sent you? Were they not witness enough?

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/24/15


\It is not worth learning.\\

That is because you don't have the mind to grasp the difference.
---Cluny on 9/22/15

Forgive me. Forget sometimes that I'm posting over your head for others in most cases.
The point was simple. No one needs your scripturally unsupported group or a monks to find Christ. 12 original men proclaimed Christ based on O.T. prophecies not the unfounded, unprophecied doctrines of men that you do. There is no differences between yours and monks false doctrines. False is false.
Mic 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, the priests thereof teach for hire, the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
---Trav on 9/24/15


I disagree Trav I have been grateful to Cluny for his instruction. I enjoy learning about what others believe.

I have read a number of RCC writers and they have often helped me in my Christian life.

I have read other early Church Fathers and gain insight from them.

Ignorance does not help anything.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/23/15


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Contrary to what some people seem to think, religious communities in the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches do not receive ONE PENNY from the diocese or headquarters for their support.

They must support themselves and their own works of mercy by whatever way they can.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/23/15


\\It is not worth learning.\\

That is because you don't have the mind to grasp the difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/22/15


You haven't been listening. I am NOT Roman Catholic. I am an Eastern Catholic. Learn the difference!
---Monk_Brendan on 9/21/15

It is not worth learning. Catholic is not scriptural. EC's are in communion with rome.---Trav on 9/22/15


Monk, ever speaking on the phone to someone and put them on hold, returning to the call the person was talking so much they didn't even know you were gone?

Well, Trav didn't know you left and still kept talking.

He doesn't want to know the difference. Call him a J.W. and he might understand.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/22/15


Trav said, "Christ never authorized you or your superstitious customs by your lack of witnesses in scripture to back your tags."

What is a witness in Scripture? By that do you mean various verses that back up my belief? Okay--here goes:

Mt 26:25-27
Mk 14:21-23
Lk 22:18-20
Jn 6:50-58
1 Cor 10:15-17
1 Cor 11:23-25
1 Cor 11:28-30 This one especially anyone who does not believe that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Christ is one that those who do not believe should read and pray and understand.

There are more, do you want them?

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/22/15


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You haven't been listening. I am NOT Roman Catholic. I am an Eastern Catholic. Learn the difference!
---Monk_Brendan on 9/21/15

It is not worth learning. Catholic is not scriptural. EC's are in communion with rome. You personally/purposefully choose a title tag preceding the "Christian".
There is nothing preceding "Christ".
Christ never authorized you or your superstitious customs by your lack of witnesses in scripture to back your tags.
Eze_37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

All Israel. Two Houses, Twelve nations of, even though you don't acknowledge or seek any of them.
---Trav on 9/22/15


Trav said, "Well steveng, noticed even the monks object to your "no charge" Biblical "Ecclesia" Church. But then your Church undermines their financial security,...."

I receive absolutely no compensation--in any form--from the Church, either the local parish, the diocese, or from Rome. What money I do get is from Social Security, as I worked most of my life at secular jobs, and after I became disabled, I had to apply for SSD.

"so that all can continue drinking their latin/roman doctrine flavored kool-aid."

You haven't been listening. I am NOT Roman Catholic. I am an Eastern Catholic. Learn the difference!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/21/15


Besides, sharing the gospel is free. Jesus sent the apostles without anything.
---Steveng on 9/16/15

Well steveng, noticed even the monks object to your "no charge" Biblical "Ecclesia" Church.
But then your Church undermines their financial security, which is subject to others. If they can't produce or bring truth they starve. End of a lifestyle.
All must be financing/contributing to their devised system, so that all can continue drinking their latin/roman doctrine flavored kool-aid.

Mar_14:56 For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together.
---Trav on 9/21/15


\\You don't think Jesus didn't share those resources with the Theotokos?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/19/15\\

Good point.

Of course, these "resources" were not always money. Usually they were in kind.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/15


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Steven G. said, "We don't have a denominational "church." We don't even have a Non-denomiantional "church." Just a bunch of people getting together daily anywhere. Not all the same people every day."

And who buys refreshments for those people? And who provides the meeting place? If someone buys food and drink for refreshments, or provides a place in their home for the people to come and visit, those people are supporting your so-called man made non-denominational denominational church.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/20/15


So who supported the Theotokos during our Savior's earthly ministry?---Cluny on 9/19/15

Good question.

The answer was in the Liturgy of the Mass last week.

Luke 8:1-3
Afterward, He journeyed from one town and village to another, preaching and proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. Accompanying him were the Twelve and some women who had been cured of evil spirits and infirmities. Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, Joanna, the wife of Herod's steward Chuza, Susanna and many others who provided for them out of their RESOURCES.

You don't think Jesus didn't share those resources with the Theotokos?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/19/15


\\Jesus rise a only son to his widow mother. The mother had NO OTHER SUPPORT.\\

No cousins? No nephews? No step-sons from St. Joseph's previous marriage?

So who supported the Theotokos during our Savior's earthly ministry?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/19/15


Why do both TBN and DAYSTAR claim to be Christian Television yet they provide a haven and venue for those who over and over again have been proven to be False Teachers.

A person would be hard pressed to watch one hour without them trying to sell something, Matthew 21:12-13, or telling people they need to send their money.
---Rob on 9/19/15


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However, Jesus ALSO said that those who loved their parents more than Him were not worthy of Him---Cluny on 9/15/15

You have valid points, but I believe the family situation is different.

Jesus rise a only son to his widow mother. The mother had NO OTHER SUPPORT.

The one who wanted to bury his father first had other families capable of burying his father. Let the dead bury the dead.

So, if you are the only support to your parents you can't use tithing to excuse one's self of caring for mom and dad.

Even Jesus provided for his mother while on the Cross dying a horrible death.
He gave her to the youngest of the 12. John (History states he was a virgin, that way Jesus trusted her with him)
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/18/15


\\Every ministry needs money for running costs\\

And where is this in THE BIBLE?

Or is it just in the Book of Rita?

(Now you see how ugly your attack comments are when they are used against yourself?)
---Cluny on 9/10/15

Didn't find her ugly in any post. Women just up-end you it seems. It is more obvious every day how superior your orthodox example is. Who could not be humbled by your alligator logic and cloaked questions/answers... (you can never seem to answer yourself) the splendid scripture witnesses you post to make your points. Books 1:01 of Cluny, you suggest?
Pro_19:25 Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware: and reprove one that hath understanding, and he will understand knowledge.
---Trav on 9/18/15


StrongAxe wrote: "Where does YOUR non-denominational church worship, where it has no expenses?

We don't have a denominational "church." We don't even have a Non-denomiantional "church." Just a bunch of people getting together daily anywhere. Not all the same people every day. I visit other groups of christians in my area. God blessed me with teaching. Been tutoring (grade school to college level subjects, was state certified during the 1990s) for over thrity five years. That's my ministry. I begin with a new student and his/her parents and they bring in friends and family. Much like the multi-level marketing strategy.

Besides, sharing the gospel is free. Jesus sent the apostles without anything.
---Steveng on 9/16/15


Thanks for refreshing my memory, Nicole.

However, Jesus ALSO said that those who loved their parents more than Him were not worthy of Him.

He also was not pleased with the man who wanted to wait for his father to die before he followed Jesus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/15/15


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Where, Nicole? BCV, please-Cluny

Mark 7:10-13 New International Version (NIV)

10 For Moses said, Honor your father and mother,[a] and, Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.[b] 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God) 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.

Footnotes:
a.Mark 7:10 Exodus 20:12, Deut. 5:16
b.Mark 7:10 Exodus 21:17, Lev. 20:9
New International Version (NIV)
Holy Bible, New International Version, NIV
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/15/15


\\But, they even say family first because Jesus said take care of your parents first.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/11/15\\

Where, Nicole? BCV, please.

As a matter of fact Jesus said some things that are the exact opposite of this.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/14/15


These people are ruthless thugs who need to be sent to prison. I remember during one of Daystar's so called Share-A-Thon, Juanita Bynum told people she didn't care if their babies went hungry, they had better send their money.
---Rob on 9/14/15


people have tried to give my sister Godly counsel in this area for years. In return, my sister would become hostile towards them and give them a tongue lashing.
---Rob on 9/11/15

I have seen this many times.

I call it "spiritual arrogance", when a person stops being teachable, ignores the advice and wisdom of others, and says that "God and I" have it all figured out. It usually ends up with all outside people abandoning them, due to their lives containing so much chaos.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/14/15


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\\Your sisters faith will be blessed..\\
Will it?
The Bible says you can believe a lie and be damned.---Cluny

How true!
We have to give an account on being stewards of God's gifts.

If God blesses us with money, why would he bless us the 2nd time for being foolish with His first blessings?

Rob, I feel for you. I pray God takes into account in her poor judgment in their message.

God will punish them harshly for the mere fact of preventing true needy people from receiving your sister's monies.

I know the RCC always states 5% to your local Parish and 5% to other charities you choose in keeping the 10% obligation to God.
But, they even say family first because Jesus said take care of your parents first.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/11/15


\\Your sisters faith will be blessed..\\

Will it?

The Bible says you can believe a lie and be damned.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/11/15


Mark Eaton, people have tried to give my sister Godly counsel in this area for years. In return, my sister would become hostile towards them and give them a tongue lashing.
---Rob on 9/11/15


"Saying "The gift of God is free, but this ministry needs support to operate" is honest. Saying "If you send me this seed-faith offering, God will surely bless you" is not.---StrongAxe on 9/10/15" That's the bottom line.
Those who would do what you have mentioned, "they are spots and blemishes, delighting in their deceptions as they feast [on]:o) you. Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin, beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices, cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness." 2 Pet 2:13,14,15
---josef on 9/11/15


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Instead of paying her bills, my sister would send these people her money with the false promise she would receive a blessing in return. These people have my sister brainwashed.
---Rob on 9/10/15

This is why we need godly people in our lives to whom we ask counsel, seek guidance, and above all, be honest with.

We cannot go it alone when it comes to obeying the Spirit and walking the Christian life. We need mature believers who have experience and wisdom in the areas where we are struggling that can come along side us, help us, and guide us to the truth, back to Jesus.

We need pastors, spiritual mentors, 12 Step sponsors, therapists, and friends to whom we can seek counsel and honestly share my life with.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/11/15


According to Jesus , the workers should be paid for their work by the receiver of the Word of God.
Also a person has the right to pay any one for their services any sum they deemed fair. It is no one's say but the giver.
Your sisters faith will be blessed.. It was in her heart to believe and share her faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. the seed is the Word of God it will
Not return void.
---deb on 9/10/15


Absolutely Strongaxe. I have never been involved in any 'seed-faith ministries' but have been approached by several - offering me various 'things' which they claim would bless me greatly every time I send them some hard CASH.

It saddens me, very much, that people actually fall for what are SCAMS. These are blatant rip-off merchants cashing in on the vulnerable people with problems.
---Rita_H on 9/11/15


First the Copelands, Tilton, Creflo Dollar and others televangelist who teach the prosperity gospel. Are not part of any denominational church. They are so called ministries built on the charisma of the huckster.

Attacking all churches is false especialy on this topic.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/10/15


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Mark Eaton, the answer to your question on 9/10/15 is both. Instead of paying her bills, my sister would send these people her money with the false promise she would receive a blessing in return. These people have my sister brainwashed.
---Rob on 9/10/15


Steveng:

If pastors and missionaries have to support themselves, typically with 40-hour-a-week jobs, they have precious little time left over for ministry work.

Where does YOUR non-denominational church worship, where it has no expenses? If you have a better way, please tell us.


Rita_H:

Saying "The gift of God is free, but this ministry needs support to operate" is honest. Saying "If you send me this seed-faith offering, God will surely bless you" is not.
---StrongAxe on 9/10/15


I have a sister who has been sending these people money for years. My sister lost her job, her home, and her car. Where is the blessing these people promised?
---Rob on 9/9/15

Why was your sister sending them money? Was it to support the ministry or was it to receive a blessing for herself?

James 4:3 "Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts".

Rarely do we lose job, car, and home without warnings. Most people I know in this situation have no knowledge of how to manage money. And when the warnings come, they ignore them or pray for God to take the warning away or to supernaturally fix the problem.

But God gave us a sound mind to work thru our problems.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/10/15


\\Every ministry needs money for running costs\\

And where is this in THE BIBLE?

Or is it just in the Book of Rita?

(Now you see how ugly your attack comments are when they are used against yourself?)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/10/15


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Faithforfaith, did God expect nothing from Israel when He gave them a choice between a blessing and a curse, between life and death? Why do you think Jesus took the Kingdom away from them? Matt 21:32-46.

Jesus is my Master. I love Him as a Father, Teacher and as a Master. "But call not yourselves teachers/Rabbi for one is your Master, even Christ, and all of you are brethren. And call no man your Father for one is your Father, which is in Heaven. Neither call yourselves Masters for one is your Master, even Christ." Matt 23:8-12.
---barb on 9/10/15


The church of man (trinity of man) is the part of the 6th day creation (mankind) that acknowledges/honors the creator according to 66 books (triple 6).

IF you choose to be a "SON" of God (because you choose Him as "Abba Father"), then His Lamb (the BEGOTTEN son) will be your brother. It all depends on the kind of devotion you choose. If you choose the right one (the SPIRITUAL one), then you will not use anything PHYSICAL in your worship/devotion including MONEY (the MONEYCHANGERS use money for devotion).

Rom 8:29 in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren.
---faithforfaith on 9/10/15


Answering the original question just as it is asked 'They do this because they are corrupt and by doing so they become rich'.

Every ministry needs money for running costs but those who become super rich show that many monetary gifts are not being used for ministry but are used to line the pockets of the leaders and build them even large homes etc. They and their families live like royalty.

The way that 'God will reward you one hundred fold' is taught has been corrupted beyond belief.
---Rita_H on 9/10/15


God's word is not for profit.

ALL your denominational "churches" expect their members to support the man-made church in which 80% of the revenues are used to pay the mortgage or rent, maintain the property, the landscaping, the wages of the staff and missionaries and all the other assets (both physical and paper).

Also, walk into any christian bookstore and see the plethora of authors claiming they know the "secret" to interpreting the bible and for a small price you too can know it. Even now books offering dozens of different interpretaions concerning the end days.
---Steveng on 9/9/15


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Samuel, I agree and can relate to what you wrote. I lost a uncle in the same manner. I will also say people will use what is written in Matthew 7:1 to say who are we to judge, but they neglect and reject the verses that follow.
---Rob on 9/9/15


Scott, I have a sister who has been sending these people money for years. My sister lost her job, her home, and her car. Where is the blessing these people promised?
---Rob on 9/9/15


I try not to judge. But many of those on TBN get rich and spend millions on themselves for mansions and private planes. They declare they speak in tongues so you can make them rich.

They prey on the poor and often desperate people. They steal from the poor and keep it.

Jude 1:11
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

As I know personally they say if you give them money their cloths will cure you of cancer. My sister died of treatable cancer because she believed in some of these charlatans. I have heard of others who did the same.

Yet many look up to these prosperity liars and followers of Balaam.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/9/15


God did not GIVE imperialistically (expecting something in return), God gave His gifts GRACIOUSLY (expecting NOTHING in return...that is the real meaning of GRACE).

Love Him as ABBA FATHER, not MASTER and you will begin to understand that His loving kindness is given freely/graciously.

God is our heavenly FATHER and Jesus is our BROTHER (Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of many brethren/brothers and was the only son to be BEGOTTEN (the same as you were BEGOTTEN by your parents).
---faithforfaith on 9/9/15


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Because they are false teachers, prophets and shepherds. The gift of God is His Son who He sent into a dark world with truth and knowledge and Light.

God blesses a person when she/he listens and abides in the words of His Son just as He promised blessings to Israel IF they obeyed His commandments and a curse IF they did not obey them. Duet 28:1-14, Duet 28:15-68.
---barb on 9/9/15


Actually, the gift of God is NOT free.

It cost Him crucifixion.

I've noticed that those who preach holy prosperity never say that THEY are supposed to give YOU money.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/9/15


The gift of God and blessings are two different things. Christians can give there life away to Jesus easy because we have no hope of saving our lives. However we have a lot of hope and power in gaining financial worth, thus it is harder to surrender that aspect of our lives. Only when we surrender our finances, which most Christians don't, do we receive blessings in that area. This is not prosperity gospel, which says "If I do x, God must do y." This is "If I trust God with x, I can see God work in y."
---Scott1 on 9/9/15


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