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Essentials Of Christianity

This issue has been touched upon several times earlier, but deserves a separate blog.

What is "essential" and what is "non-essential" in Christianity?

Who determines this, and with what criteria?

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\\One Covenant.\\

Jesus said, "This is My Blood of the NEW Covenant."

St. Paul also talks about old and new covenants.
---Cluny on 9/29/15

"One New Covenant". To the House of Israel...and Judah Heb 8:8-10.

Paul would talk of them...familiar with the 272 covenant verses.
Exo_19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
1Ch_16:15 Be ye mindful always of his covenant, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations,
Psa_50:16 But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
---Trav on 9/29/15


\\One Covenant.\\

Jesus said, "This is My Blood of the NEW Covenant."

St. Paul also talks about old and new covenants.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/15


But I'm sure the writers of scripture don't know what they're talking about
---James_L on 9/29/15

I certainly do not know what you are talking about.

Did you read my post?

The comment you are responding to was a snide rebuke of a post that said "There is a wide spread belief, however, that once you begin to follow Christ, you have everything all at once, including sinless perfection".

I see sin as a disease that affects our mind, soul, and relationship with God. Look at the garden. Suddenly two people who walked with God are hiding in the bushes and the only difference is sin.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/29/15


Do you have that belief? And if so, how well is that sinless behavior working for you?
---Mark _Eaton

Most common mistake is to think of sin as behavior alone.

Why did Jesus equate a healing to forgiveness?

Spot, wrinkle, blemish, filth, etc....what do those mean?

By His stripes we are healed. Not physically, but healed of the disease of sin.

Forever perfected - Heb. 10:14

But I'm sure the writers of scripture don't know what they're talking about - smh
---James_L on 9/29/15


A good start to the essentials would have to be:
1. Belief that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God.
2. Establishment that the word of God is the basis for doctrine and practice.
3. Baptism of believers in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
4. Teaching believers to observe all things commanded in the scriptures.

For time sake I'll stop there.
---trey on 9/29/15




\\Do you have that belief? And if so, how well is that sinless behavior working for you?\\

I never said I did believe that, did I?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/28/15


What is "essential" and what is "non-essential" in Christianity?
Who determines this, and with what criteria?
---Cluny on 9/19/15

Truth is essential.
There is only one truth. One master/Rabbi/Teacher. One father. One GOD. One Covenant.
Scriptural witnesses two or more, prophets, Christ, Apostles verify what no one else can. They were personally called, appointed by GOD. Spanning and connecting the centuries. Men who sowed then died.
Luk_6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth, against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell, the ruin of that house was great.
---Trav on 9/28/15


There is a wide spread belief, however, that once you begin to follow Christ, you have EVERYTHING all at once, including sinless perfection.
---Cluny on 9/27/15

Do you have that belief? And if so, how well is that sinless behavior working for you?

There are two views of sanctification, Gods view, and our view. In His view, we are sinless, righteous, and seated with Christ in heavenly places. But yet in our view, we are not quite there or as St. Paul described:

Phil 3:12 "Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus"
---Mark_Eaton on 9/28/15


\\As I examine these "commandments", I do not see them as requirements to start a relationship with Jesus (to be born again) but I do see them as requirements to maintaining our relationship with Jesus. \\

There is a wide spread belief, however, that once you begin to follow Christ, you have EVERYTHING all at once, including sinless perfection.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/15


Not love God and your neighbor? Jesus commanded this, too. Not to make disciples and baptize them? Or celebrate the Eucharist? These are also commands of Jesus. Or are His commandments non-essential?
---Cluny on 9/19/15

I too have the same question.

As I examine these "commandments", I do not see them as requirements to start a relationship with Jesus (to be born again) but I do see them as requirements to maintaining our relationship with Jesus. We do not lose our relationship to Jesus if we do not "perform" them, but it does negatively impact it and may cause God to discipline us to conform us.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/24/15




Steveng 95% agreement. Maybe 100%. It depends on how you define certain things. But as written I have no argument with your statement.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/21/15

I am confused.

Are you saying that the ten commandments are not essential?

You have been hitting us over the head for years now about the Fourth Commandment and only now you tell us it not essential?

Which is it? Are the 10 Commandments essential or non-essential.

And do you practice "in essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, and in everything else charity"?
---Mark_Eaton on 9/22/15


Samuel BB said, " But Monk Brendan how do you know since you have not read them? I have read writings by J. Smith and E. White. I don't know who MBE is."

Just because I am not a member of a particular church doesn't mean I haven't at the very least skimmed through their material. I've read the Book of Mormon, and I found it laughable. The same with Ellen G. White. And MBE stands for Mary Baker Eddy, the founder of Christian Science. I've even read some of her stuff.

No, I don't think I want to believe in a second class god when I have the real thing.

BTW, how many of the Christian fathers have you read? (Ignatius, John Chrysostom, St. Basil, St. Jerome, etc.)

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/21/15


But Monk Brendan how do you know since you have not read them? I have read writings by J. Smith and E. White. I don't know who MBE is.

But the above two don't teach the same thing.

Smith teaches his writings replaces the Bible.

White writes. He (Christians) is to regard the Bible as the voice of God speaking directly to him. Thus he will find the wisdom which is divine. Acts of the Apostles pg. 474-475

Steveng 95% agreement. Maybe 100%. It depends on how you define certain things. But as written I have no argument with your statement.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/21/15


The ultimate commandment is Love, as in the verb form. Unfortuenately denominational christians do not know how to practice what they are preached.

To love God and to love others. All the laws of the prophets hang upon these two. The Ten Commandments hang upon these two. The 613 laws of Moses hang upon these two.

As for the gospel, the good news, what did Jesus and the apostles preach? What are we suppose to set our eyes on? The answer? The coming Kingdom of God. That's the good news. They also preached about how to get there from where we are now.
---Steveng on 9/20/15


What is essential in Christianity? Love God with all you body, mind, and heart, love your neighbor as yourself.

Plus, keep close to the Church and to her Mysteries, and do all you are able to let the world--or at least your part of it--know the Good News.

Altar calls, revivals, Just as I Am repeated endlessly--the writings of EGW or MBE or Joseph Smith, etc. are all non-essential--and can be absolutely damaging.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/20/15


Essential to salvation is the truth which can only be found in the Words of Jesus. He tells us we need to be born of the Holy Spirit to enter into His Kingdom. John 3:3-8. He teaches that we must rid ourselves of sin and that keeping His Father's commandments lead to eternal life. Matt 5:29-30, Matt 19,16-21.

Our standard for truth should be the Testimony of Jesus as given to Him by His Father. If what anyone else teaches does not agree with His Word then it is a lie. We have been told from the beginning if it does not agree with the law and the prophets, there is no truth in it. Those born of the Holy Spirit will keep the commandments of God and hold to the Testimony of His Son. John 18:37, Rev 12:17.
---barb on 9/20/15


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Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
The only unforgivable sin is unbelief, therefore, belief is essential.
The thief on the cross, did nothing but believe and is in Paradise.
---micha9344 on 9/20/15


Essential to believe the gospel of grace.that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, freely gave His life as the perfect sacrifice to pay for all of our sins, was crucified, buried, and rose from the dead on the third day
(1Cor 15:1-4)
Non-essential tithing, water baptism public confession,altar calls
---michael_e on 9/19/15


Jesus = life
or Jesus > life ?
God the Father = life or >life??
---dsda on 9/19/15


\\Non - essential- Anything else.\\

Not love God and your neighbor? Jesus commanded this, too.

Not to make disciples and baptize them? Or celebrate the Eucharist? These are also commands of Jesus.

Or are His commandments non-essential?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/19/15


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Essential - Believe on the Lord Jesus, The Christ. Love the Lord your "God". Love your neighbor as yourself". And, that which is referred to as the "great commission". "Go Ye into all the world"..
Non - essential- Anything else.
"Who determines this, and with what criteria?" Jesus, by His command.
---josef on 9/19/15


Walk with God/Jesus daily, believing Jesus died for my sins.
---Geraldine on 9/19/15


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