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What is the fascination with extra-biblical theories and authors that contradict the Bible?

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cluny/strongaxe: You again wasted much valuable CN blog space without mentioning a single quote that CONTRADICTS THE BIBLE. So "put up or shut up", so to speak. Sorry strongaxe, but your false prophecy ruse is too weak to consider.

I would also direct you once again to the blog question. Unless you can definitively show where EGW has contradicted the Bible, please don't bring her up. Meanwhile, your extra-biblical, non-orthodox theories such as Sunday Sabbath and Evolution go unanswered. Why is that?

And, yes cluny, most everything you say is false. I have refuted each of your false prophecy posts in the past, but your obdurate mind can't seem to grasp the truth.


---jerry6593 on 10/10/15


jerry6593:

You said: For the record, I didn't bring up SDA's or EGW. I never do. That is the work of professional SDA-haters like cluny, who ... resort to unwarranted insults and outright falsehood.

You started this blog. If you ask a question, you must be prepared to hear answers you may not like.

Cluny pointed out some EGW prophecies, from her own writings, and from SDA publications, that have not come to pass. I pointed out the Biblical criteria for true and false prophets. These are neither insults, nor falsehoods, and thus, not "SDA-hating". I have nothing against SDA people individually (I am sure many are fine people). They just follow a leader the Bible warned not to listen to, which can be unwise.
---StrongAxe on 10/9/15


Almost 75 posts and it seems the only author, that contradicts the Bible, worth posting about is EGW.
---micha9344 on 10/9/15


\\For the record, I didn't bring up SDA's or EGW. I never do. That is the work of professional SDA-haters like cluny, who, when unable to deal with an uncomfortable blog question, resort to unwarranted insults and outright falsehood.
\\

Tell me what I've said that's false, jerry.

Bet you can't.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/8/15


Rob: I'm sorry you had some bad experiences with some SDA's in your youth. I have also had my share of experiences with rotten SDA's. But, I should point out that there were no more (or less) rotten folks in that group than in any other - religious or otherwise. I have also found that no group should be judged by the actions of a few individuals.

For the record, I didn't bring up SDA's or EGW. I never do. That is the work of professional SDA-haters like cluny, who, when unable to deal with an uncomfortable blog question, resort to unwarranted insults and outright falsehood.


---jerry6593 on 10/8/15




Please don't waist time and space concerning Jerry, Ellen G. White, and the Seventh Day Adventist.

When I was a teenager, I learned to run fast and far from them!

From personal experience, I learned SDA men tend to be TYRANTS






For the sake of the teaching of Ellen G. WHITE, they neglect and don't care about their families.

Jerry may deny this, but I know this to be true from personal experience!
---Rob on 10/7/15


\\You again wasted much valuable CN blog space without mentioning a single quote that CONTRADICTS THE BIBLE. So "put up or shut up",\\

jerry, when Satan told Jesus to turn stones into bread, what was he saying that went against the Bible?

When Satan told Jesus to hurl Himself from the pinnacle of the Temple, he even quoted Psalm 91 (90 LXX), and did not go against the Bible.

This did not stop the Devil from being a liar.

EGW might not have said anything that contravened the Scriptures, but this still did not stop her from being a FALSE PROPHET.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/15


jerry6593:

You said: your false prophecy ruse is too weak to consider.

Cluny (not I) quoted specific false prophecies. What more do you need? A voice from heaven?

I would also direct you once again to the blog question.

This blog is about extra-biblical theories, not non-biblical quotes.

Meanwhile, your extra-biblical, non-orthodox theories such as Sunday Sabbath and Evolution go unanswered. Why is that?

Because YOU waste so much blog space defending EGW. I also frequently quote Paul who said some respect some days as holy and others all days equally holy, and let each be bersuaded IN HIS OWN MIND. Also to let NO MAN judge us with respect to sabbath days.
---StrongAxe on 10/7/15


cluny/strongaxe: You again wasted much valuable CN blog space without mentioning a single quote that CONTRADICTS THE BIBLE. So "put up or shut up", so to speak. Sorry strongaxe, but your false prophecy ruse is too weak to consider.

I would also direct you once again to the blog question. Unless you can definitively show where EGW has contradicted the Bible, please don't bring her up. Meanwhile, your extra-biblical, non-orthodox theories such as Sunday Sabbath and Evolution go unanswered. Why is that?


---jerry6593 on 10/7/15


\\cluny: More false SDA hate speech!\\

I've noticed that "hate speech!" is a reproach hurled by liberals who cannot refute what their opponents say.

I don't care if EGW could quote the entire KJV from memory. She was a false prophet and Christians should ignore her.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/15




jerry6593:

You said to Mark Eaton: Your steadfast rejection of Jesus word and example condemns you.

Can you cite any specific examples where he rejected Jesus's word? I don't recall ever seeing any.
---StrongAxe on 10/5/15


Extra-biblical Theory:
Amalgamation of man (and beast) can be seen in certain races of men, such as the Hotentots, Bushmen, and Digger Indians.(references on previous posts)
Authors:
EGW, JSW, Uriah Smith
Bible Condradiction:
One race, one blood.(Acts 17:26)
Evolutionary influx at its finest.
Prophet(ess) disqualification.
---micha9344 on 10/5/15


Your steadfast rejection of Jesus word and example condemns you.
---jerry6593 on 10/3/15

I knew that was coming. I knew you were going to judge me sooner or later. That is why I talked about liberty and grace in my last post. Liberty and grace are concepts that you do not understand, yet they are concepts Jesus initiated.

Do you think Jesus was like the religious people of his day? Do you think he was more or less conservative than the Pharisees? The Pharisees were the "law thumpers" of Jesus day. Jesus is described as "sinless" in 2 Cor. 5, yet he violated the law according to the Pharisees.

Religion condemned Christ who wants to set us free from religion.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/5/15


Jerry5693:

You told me and Cluhy: You again wasted much valuable CN blog space without mentioning a single quote that CONTRADICTS THE BIBLE. So "put up or shut up", so to speak.

Cluny pointed out several false prophecies (also attested by Rob), and the fact that she considered her testimonies as revelations of the Holy Spirit, e.g. prophecies. The Bible specifically says that we should not listen to a prophet whose predictions are false, so ALL she teaches (especially false prophecies), ipso facto, must be ignored, as the Bible specifically says.

Also, YOU are just as much "wasting blog space" by discussing only this one subject and not others.
---StrongAxe on 10/5/15


Jerry, when I was teenager, my parents became SDA.

Cluny and myself disagree on some things, but he is speaking the truth regarding Ellen G. White and the Seventh Day Adventist.

I know this from personal experience.
---Rob on 10/4/15


cluny: You again wasted much valuable CN blog space without mentioning a single quote that CONTRADICTS THE BIBLE. So "put up or shut up", so to speak.

I would also direct you once again to the blog question. Unless you can definitively show where EGW has contradicted the Bible, please don't bring her up. Meanwhile, your extra-biblical, non-orthodox theories such as Sunday Sabbath and Evolution go unanswered. Why is that?


---jerry6593 on 10/5/15


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\\Here she speaks of those in the special resurrection just prior to the 2nd coming, consistent with Mat 26:64 & Mar 14:62.\\

She said they would still be alive when Jesus returned. Assuming there were babies born at the conference that very minute, the youngest of them would be pushing 170.

Is this very likely?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/15


cluny: More false SDA hate speech!

"She prophesied that England would enter the Civil War."

"I was shown that IF the object of this war had been to exterminate slavery, THEN, if desired, England would have helped the North."


"She prophesied about 4 moons of Saturn."

Mrs. White, while in vision, began to talk about the stars, ... and added, I see four moons.

No mention of "Saturn".


"others would be alive to be translated with Jesus at His return"

Here she speaks of those in the special resurrection just prior to the 2nd coming, consistent with Mat 26:64 & Mar 14:62.

Will you never stop these lies?


---jerry6593 on 10/4/15


\\ StrongAxe: "E. G. White made certain predictions that, in retrospect turned out to be false"

OK, name one.\\

OK. She prophesied that England would enter the Civil War. England didn't.

She prophesied about 4 moons of Saturn. Saturn has over 60 moons.

She said that of the attendees at an Adventist conference in the 1850's, some would die, some would be subjects of the 7 last plagues, and others would be alive to be translated with Jesus at His return. ALL of them died, we've not had the 7 last plagues, and Jesus has not yet returned.

QUESTION: How many false prophecies
must a false prophet make to be utterly disqualified? According to the Bible, just one.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/3/15


StrongAxe: "E. G. White made certain predictions that, in retrospect turned out to be false"

OK, name one. You again wasted much valuable CN blog space without mentioning a single quote that CONTRADICTS THE BIBLE. So "put up or shut up", so to speak.



Mark E: "I live in the law of the Spirit"

You live in La La Land. Your steadfast rejection of Jesus word and example condemns you. (Jesus and ALL His disciples were Jews you know.) .... just sayin'



---jerry6593 on 10/3/15


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Correct Michaele. I agree.

If you live in the law of the Spirit Mark Eaton then you will keep the letter of the law. For the law especially the Ten Commandments are about love.

Romans 13:8

Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Read the whole chapter. If you love others you will not break any of the last five commandments. You will honor your parents.

If you love GOD on what basis could you break the letter of the laws? How can you say you love GOD and yet worship other gods? Love goes above and beyond the letter.

Read Romans 7
---Samuelbb7 on 10/3/15


Confusion today results from rebellion against Paul's authority as the divinely-appointed apostle for the present dispensation of the grace of God (Eph. 3:1-3).
Gal 1 and 2 Paul certifies his apostleship, to those who question it.
Scripture teaches Pauls apostleship and message was separate from the twelve. By refusing to accept this, it's no wonder, Gods prophesied kingdom program is confused with the mystery, committed to Paul for us in this present dispensation?
Scriptures emphasize Paul's unique apostleship and message. Ignore this fact and confusion inevitably results, accept it and a hundred seeming contradictions in Scripture disappear
---michael_e on 10/2/15


....just sayin'.
---jerry6593 on 10/2/15

I would encourage you to consider becoming an Orthodox Jew who believes in Jesus. That way you could keep the Law, keep kosher, keep the seventh day on Saturday, and believe in Jesus as insurance in case all the other items do not get you into heaven.

Oh, but you already do this! My mistake.

I live in the law of the Spirit which has freed me from the law of sin and death. I have been called to liberty, not to use it for my flesh, but to demonstrate to those still in bondage to the law that God gave us grace to set us free from the law.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/2/15


jerry6593:

I am not whining, merely pointing out the obvious. To wit:
1) E. G. White made certain predictions that, in retrospect turned out to be false. This is not a sin in and of itself.
2) She said that whoever disagrees with her testimonies is not merely disrespecting her, but also disrespecting the Holy Spirit. By saying this, she was proclaiming her statements were divinely inspired, thus claiming to be a prophet.
3) The Bible has clear directions on what is to be done with a prophet who makes predictions that do not come to pass. One is death by stoning (which we don't do anymore). The other is that prophet should not be feared nor listened to (which, unfortunately, some people still do).
---StrongAxe on 10/2/15


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Mark E: "I have chosen mine to be Sunday."

While I don't agree that you have the authority to override God's handwritten Commandment, I would encourage you consider several consequences of your choice. First, your week is out of sync with the rest of the world - just see any dictionary. Second, you'll have two new holidays - Good Saturday and Easter Monday (because the Sabbath is sandwiched between them). Third, and most important, you will be at variance with the day Jesus Christ instituted and kept.

....just sayin'.


---jerry6593 on 10/2/15


Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God. Are you above God that you can create your own holy day?
---jerry6593 on 10/1/15

Really? Is that the best you've got?

I have no issue with Ex. 20. And my Lord has no issue with my obedience to Ex. 20.

What is at issue is the SEVENTH day. YOU have declared that the seventh day is Saturday, I have chosen mine to be Sunday. Jewish observers have chosen their seventh day as Saturday. Perhaps you would be better off converting to Judaism.

The issue is between you and I, not me and the Lord.

BTW, several of my Messianic Jewish friends are grateful that we Christians take our seventh day on Sunday. It allows them both days to worship.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/1/15


Trav: Are you a woman hater?

Act 2:17 ...your sons and your DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY
---jerry6593 on 10/1/15

Her prophecy's failed. It is good you admit you claim and follow her as such.

I love women who are women. An order that GOD created. 1Ti_2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
A special order from the beginning. You two show the confusion that occurs when order is disorder.
Ironic, to be a claiming christian, scientist but, cannot abide a natural order of the ages and thread of scripture and GOD. But, then we are told/warned about these marks in scripture.
Joh_14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
---Trav on 10/1/15


StrongAxe: "complaining that discussions of whether E. G. White's theories contradict the Bible are off-topic"

I have yet to see any statement detailing wherein EGW contradicts the Bible. Until you have one, stop whining.



Mark E: "If the Sabbath was created for me, it suits me best to remember it on Sunday."

But the Bible says:

Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God.

Are you above God that you can create your own holy day?



Trav: Are you a woman hater?

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY


---jerry6593 on 10/1/15


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I'm still unclear how this amalgamation is only evident in certain races(EGW, Spiritual Gifts, V3, p75, 1864), such as the Bushmen, Hottentots, and Digger Indians(USmith,The Visions of Mrs. E. G. White, A Manifestation of Spiritual gifts According to the Scripture, obj39, 1868), and that this view is loved by SDA's and opposed by others(JSW, Review and Herald Aug 25,1868).
EGW's comments were reprinted in her "Spirit of Prophecy", 1870.
These "authors" had an "extra-biblical theory" that "contradicts the Bible."
This is evolutionary thought that is racism.
---micha9344 on 9/29/15


Meanwhile, extra-biblical theories such as Sunday Sabbath and Evolution go unanswered.
---jerry6593 on 9/29/15

I have answered you before in other blogs. I will repeat it again.

Jesus told us that the Sabbath was created for man, not man for the Sabbath.

The commandment for the Sabbath is to remember it and keep it separate for God.

If the Sabbath was created for me, it suits me best to remember it on Sunday. The Jewish folks keep their day on Saturday.

I still remember it, keep it separate, and meet all of Gods requirements.

If you want to keep it on Saturday, go ahead. But don't judge me "in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day".
---Mark_Eaton on 9/29/15


So unless you can show we are wrong from the Bible I will not accept any truth that contridicts the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/28/15

Sure thing.
1Ti_2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Was there one Apostle of 12 that was a woman?
One Priest in the O.T. that was?
Prophets in the OT. that are?
Yet you and Jerry get all slobbery over your high priestess/prophetess. Disgusting testimony for you men.
1Co_14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co_14:35 ...for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
---Trav on 9/29/15


jerry6793:

You said: Meanwhile, extra-biblical theories such as Sunday Sabbath and Evolution go unanswered.

Considering that you SDAs keep bringing up Sunday Sabbath in all kinds of blogs where it is definitely off-topic, complaining that discussions of whether E. G. White's theories contradict the Bible are off-topic, in a blog specifically designed to discuss extra-biblical theories, is the pot calling the kettle black.
---StrongAxe on 9/29/15


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\\The majority of what she writes is pastoral.\\

But this is not what the SDA says about her writings, which get called "inspired and authoritative."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/28/15


I would say to you SDA haters:

1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.

I would also direct you once again to the blog question. Unless you can definitively show where EGW has contradicted the Bible, please don't bring her up. Meanwhile, extra-biblical theories such as Sunday Sabbath and Evolution go unanswered.



Rob: The clear word bible has nothing to do with me. I only use the KJV because of its reliable pedigree.


---jerry6593 on 9/29/15


Yes Cluny thank you. I am glad that you have now chosen to actually give us chapter and verse. 95% don't.

The majority of what she writes is pastoral.

Kinds of like John the Baptist who she encourages us to be like. For we are to be telling people that Jesus is coming soon.

Our doctrine also as she says is to be based on the Bible.

"But God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the standard of all doctrines and the basis of all reforms." Great Controversy chapter 37. Pg 595

Neither I nor Jerry have tried to prove our Doctrine from her writings. So unless you can show we are wrong from the Bible I will not accept any truth that contridicts the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/28/15


Jerry and Samuel, why is it written in your clear word bible that Jesus and the Archangel Michael are the same, along with Michael being God's Son?
---Rob on 9/28/15


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[Testimonies for the Church 4:147, 148 (1876).] Another source places this in Vol 5.

Will this suffice, samuel?
---Cluny on 9/27/15

1Ti_2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Jerry and Sam, scripturally expose and embarrass themselves defending egw without scripturally realizing it.
Wake up "men".
Caught up in Jezebel whites skirts.
Rev_2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
---Trav on 9/28/15


\\Yet now when I send you a testimony of warning and reproof, many of you declare it to be the opinion of sister White. You have thereby insulted the spirit of God.

Testimonies for the Church, Vol 5.

||In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the testimonies of His Spirit. There was never a time when God instructed His people more earnestly than He instructs them now concerning His will and the course that He would have them pursue.

[Testimonies for the Church 4:147, 148 (1876).] Another source places this in Vol 5.

Will this suffice, samuel?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/15


\\There are many supposed statements made by Sister White that people have fabricated. I post what book and pages for her statements. Why can't you do it?\\

These I give can be verified on the White Estate web site.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/15


Cluny Where are these statements. There are many supposed statements made by Sister White that people have fabricated. I post what book and pages for her statements. Why can't you do it?

He is to regard the Bible as the voice of God speaking directly to him. Thus he will find the wisdom which is divine. Acts of the Apostles pg. 474-475

See how easy it is. Now you try.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/27/15


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\\ The Testimonies are not to take the place of the Word. .\\

EGW also said this:

"In times past God instructed his people by apostles and prophets [e.g., in the pages of the Bible]. In these days God instructs people by the testimonies of His Spirit [iow, her own writings]. There has never been a time when God more earnestly instructed his people...."

She also said, "When I send you a testimony of reproof or correction, you reject it as merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted the spirit of God."

Draw your own conclusions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/15


Trav: "She is a wall between you and scripture."

You could not be more wrong!

"The more we look at the promises of the Word of God, the brighter they grow. The more we practice them, the deeper will be our understanding of them. Our position and faith is in the Bible. And never do we want any soul to bring in the Testimonies ahead of the Bible." EGW, Manuscript 7, 1894.

"The testimonies of Sister White should not be carried to the front. Gods Word is the unerring standard. The Testimonies are not to take the place of the Word. ... Let all prove their positions from the Scriptures and substantiate every point they claim as truth from the revealed Word of God." - EGW, Letter 12, 1890.
---jerry6593 on 9/26/15


I really hate these statements given with no way to verify if they are true or where to find them.

If she had meant with she would have said with but as Cluny properly copied is was and. Which allows for two separate groups.

There is only one race of humans. It took scientists hundreds of years to figure out we are related like the Bible says.

She was also speaking of the time before the flood. So there would be no evidence of an event scientist say did not happen.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/25/15


So, let me get this straight.
The amalgamation of man (godly with ungodly) appears only in certain races?
The amalgamation is race specific?
The amalgamation produced certain races?
The amalgamation is evident in some races but not others?
What is the evidence that "can be seen in certain races"?
The back-peddling excuse for her statement leaves more questions than answers.
Whereas, both Uriah Smith and James White agree that this is talking about man with animal.
---micha9344 on 9/25/15


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But telling me she was not perfect does not negate all the good she has brought about and taught.
Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/24/15

A good example of why you are rebuked on this issue. She is no prophet of GOD, yet you honor her. If not as a prophet, then as a teacher. Both her positions scripturally deviant.
She is a wall between you and scripture. GOD allowed her confusion and you embrace the confusion. While you may never see, having fully committed to this for so long, others reading may avoid the rut. Christ is the only teacher. GOD is the only father. Not the pope for whoever else may understand/escape.
Mat_23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ, all ye are brethren.
---Trav on 9/25/15


For all you professional EGW bashers, some continued enlightenment.

From the EGW website: "That statement could be construed to mean amalgamation of man with beast, or amalgamation of man and of beast." From the succeeding portions of the referenced quote, it is clear that the meaning was the latter rather than the former, as she refers to the mingling of the sons of God (godly) with the sons of men (ungodly) which "caused confusion everywhere". This is an example of how far off track an invalid assumption can lead you.

Now on to the REAL extra-biblical theories of Sunday sacredness over the Sabbath of the Bible, Spiritism, Evolution, man-caused Global Warming and the like.


---jerry6593 on 9/25/15


Samuelbb7:

You said: Sister White was not perfect and made mistakes. Yet she was still a lover of Jesus.

The same applies to all of us, and that's OK. However, once she is considered a prophet, a higher standard applies. Biblical prophets were subject to a "one strike, and you're out" policy. When her teachings are put on par with infallible scripture (and criticism of such is considered sin), the same criterion applies.
---StrongAxe on 9/24/15


/Since the flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men.\-EGW, Spiritual Gifts, 1864
/...they could easily be silenced by a reference to such cases as the wild Bushmen...Hottentots, and...Digger Indians...\Uriah Smith, The Visions..., 1868
/THE Association has just published a pamphlet titled, "The Visions...While carefully reading the manuscript I felt very grateful to God that our people could have this able defense of those views which they so much love and prize, and which others despise and oppose...\JAMES WHITE, Review and Herald, 1868
---micha9344 on 9/24/15


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Thank you Cluny for looking it up on the web site.

The way she states it is there were amagmation of different types of animals.

Then humans who were followers of GOD married those who were followers of Satan.

I know you will not believe me. But that is what my research has shown.

Sister White was not perfect and made mistakes. Yet she was still a lover of Jesus.

I cannot attack her for not being perfect. Others do and that is their right. But telling me she was not perfect does not negate all the good she has brought about and taught.
Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/24/15


I did a small Google search using E.G. White & amalgamation. The first thing that popped up was writings of EGW and her critics. in that she said, " But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere. God purposed to destroy by a flood that powerful, long-lived race that had corrupted their ways before him.--Spiritual Gifts, vol. 3, p. 64."

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/24/15


Samuel, I got this from the White estate web site.

\\Every species of animal which God had created were preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the Flood. Since the Flood there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men.\\

I think it's obvious what she meant by "amalgamation," even though this is biologically impossible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/24/15


\\While she doesn't explicitly say this, it implies some races of humans are human/animal hybrids,\\

Actually, she DID explicitly say this, saying that such races were the African bushmen and Digger Indians.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/24/15


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Samuelbb7:

You said: Cluny you really have started liking to bash E. G. White.

Since you don't give the place where she says it. Are you sure you are saying it right?


I just googled: "E G White" amalgamation to get many references.

From her quoted context, it sounds like she is talking about mixing species, human with animal, an abomination. Animals formed this way didn't get on the Ark and were killed. But it was done again later. Some animals are formed this way, and some humans as well.

While she doesn't explicitly say this, it implies some races of humans are human/animal hybrids, and not human at all. Islam similarly denigrates Jews by saying they are descended from dogs and pigs.
---StrongAxe on 9/24/15


Samuel: "Jerry we recommend as SDA's to go to doctors. I don't understand your point."

I understand and agree that doctors serve a most needed function. However, the issue was over whether the surgical manual contradicted the Bible (I can't see how it could), and how that was more comforting than scripture.

I had more in mind the early church fathers and modern apostates who taught Sunday sacredness over the Sabbath of the Bible, Spiritism, Evolution, man-caused Global Warming and the like. This is a case study in how a blog can be diverted onto an irrelevant side rail.


---jerry6593 on 9/24/15


Cluny you really have started liking to bash E. G. White.

Since you don't give the place where she says it. Are you sure you are saying it right?

Also do you know what Amalgamation meant then and what the topic she was speaking on?

Or are you going to condemn without knowing the facts or context. Are you judging her without knowing the whole story?

2Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

People make many accusations about the Bible. Are they true because they say so?
---Samuelbb7 on 9/23/15


\\Why is it that you left-wing liberals always use deceit rather than straightforward debate?\\

I know StrongAxe very well. Whatever he might be, "left-wing liberal" is not it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/23/15


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jerry6593:

You said: Please refer to the blog question. The issue is that which "contradicts" the Bible - not that which "adds to" the Bible. Why is it that you left-wing liberals always use deceit rather than straightforward debate?

First of all, "always" is a very strong word, and requires absolute proof. (e.g. one might claim "some Muslims are terrorists", but "all Muslims are terrorists" is plainly false).

Second, the same accusation can be made against right-wing conservatives.

Please cite examples of what I have said that is deceitful.
---StrongAxe on 9/23/15


StrongAxe: "There is a conceit, popular in neo-evangelical circles, that anything not written in the Bible is automatically apostate"

Please refer to the blog question. The issue is that which "contradicts" the Bible - not that which "adds to" the Bible. Why is it that you left-wing liberals always use deceit rather than straightforward debate?


---jerry6593 on 9/23/15


If you really want to see the vain thoughts and evil imaginations of a sick soul, look up what EGW said about "amalgamation".

Pornography can exist in the mind as well as on paper or on a screen. God is not fooled by externals.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/22/15


I have read some of the Ante Nicene Fathers books and some other Early church father books. Many early Christian writers had some great points. They were not all perfect.

What books by E. G. White have you read Cluny.

Trav we disagree on what the Bible says. Many times scripture have been posted that show you are incorrect. Yet you just attack and never try to answer or explain what the scriptures mean.

Jerry we recommend as SDA's to go to doctors. I don't understand your point.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/22/15


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jerry6593:

You wrote: Your pseudo-orthodox "fathers" such as Origen and Clement of Alexandria are indeed apostate extra-biblical sources who merged their pagan philosophies into Christianity.

There is a conceit, popular in neo-evangelical circles, that anything not written in the Bible is automatically apostate, and by implication, all Christians from after the Bible was written until just before Martin Luther were also apostates.

The old church fathers wrote based on what they understood of ths scriptures, within the light of their own cultures, just as the modern reformers did.
---StrongAxe on 9/22/15


\\Your pseudo-orthodox "fathers" such as Origen and Clement of Alexandria are indeed apostate extra-biblical sources who merged their pagan philosophies into Christianity. \\

Origen was condemned by the Orthodox Church at the 5th council.

Shows how much you know about what you have not read.

Besides, I've never quoted either on here.

\\You have many times espoused Theistic Evolution on CN. \\

What I have said is that I have no problem with God working through evolution by natural laws He set up Himself.

And theistic evolution excludes random mutations, which is part of Darwin's theory.

But I don't expect you to tell the difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/22/15


cluny: "I'll bet I've read more in EGW then [sic] you have in ANY of the fathers."

Apparently, it didn't do you any good. But then again, even with her mere third-grade education, she at least knew the difference between "then" and "than".

Your pseudo-orthodox "fathers" such as Origen and Clement of Alexandria are indeed apostate extra-biblical sources who merged their pagan philosophies into Christianity.

You have many times espoused Theistic Evolution on CN.

What is wrong with the Bible that you can't stick with it?


---jerry6593 on 9/22/15


\\Your pseudo-orthodoxy, however constantly appeals to extra-biblical sources (e.g., Darwin,\\

Liar.

Neither Orthodoxy in general nor I in particular have ever appealed to Darwin, and you will not find where I did.

\\church fathers",etc.).
\\

I'll bet I've read more in EGW then you have in ANY of the fathers.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/15


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\\"Monk: It seems strange that a monk would be comforted more with a worldly physician than with the Great Physician. It is also doubtful that a text on human anatomy would contradict the one who designed us."\\

Then why do SDAs have hospitals, including the one in Loma Linda that put a baboon heart in a baby girl?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/15


We teach the Bible is the final authority Sola Scriptora. But we trust Ellen G. White.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/21/15

You teach us of your lack of understanding scripture.
Prophets, Christ and the Apostles who did not veer from GOD's promises to "sheep" of Israael in the Old Covenant are not your message. You create your own doctrines and prophetesses...apart from Abraham, Moses, Jacob, David, Israel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel etc, etc. We've seen no authorization for you to teach or preach from anyone of these.
You do not bear their message, sign or mark. Therefore you bear other marks.
Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
---Trav on 9/21/15


So much of what we've been TAUGHT by the clergy, DOES NOT MAKE SENSE (they don't really CARE about us, they just want us to fill the collection plate).

The SOUL is a very PERSONAL thing, you should not be letting OTHER PEOPLE be caring for it (like the color of your underwear is a very personal thing).

The search for RATIONALITY (we feel a need to MAKE SENSE out of the truth of scripture because we know that we have been taught NONSENSE) is important so that we do not remain part of "the son of perdition" John 17:12.

Verse from RSV.
---faithforfaith on 9/21/15


There's a quatrain by Emily Dickinson that seems to apply to what Fr. Brendan said:

Faith is a fine invention
For gentlemen who see,
But microscopes are prudent
In an emergency.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/15


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Jerry said, "Monk: It seems strange that a monk would be comforted more with a worldly physician than with the Great Physician. It is also doubtful that a text on human anatomy would contradict the one who designed us."

Don't get me wrong. I was sick and in the hospital for four months, and I trusted God all day, every day.

The physicians told me I would never walk again, but I walk every day. True, it took some physical therapy, but I can still walk. I listened to the Great Physician every day, and I didn't pay attention to the nay-sayers.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/21/15


/What is the fascination with extra-biblical theories and authors that contradict the Bible?\-jerry6593 on 9/20/15
/Like the fascination that SDAs have with the extra-biblical author EGW...?\-Cluny on 9/20/15
/Right out of the box with the off-topic, bash SDA's garbage, eh?\-jerry6593 on 9/21/15
-It seemed quite on-topic to me.
-Did the question need to be more specific to exclude EGW from the discussion?
---micha9344 on 9/21/15


Well I scored 84% on the test.

I missed that we can use worldly style music to reach others.

I said true we should take in those in Christ who are deceived and try to teach them.

And I thought they had put goats by accident so it got the wrong answer.

I want a wells studied and practiced doctor to operate on me.

We teach the Bible is the final authority Sola Scriptora. But we trust Ellen G. White.

He (Christians) is to regard the Bible as the voice of God speaking directly to him. Thus he will find the wisdom which is divine. Acts of the Apostles pg. 474-475
---Samuelbb7 on 9/21/15


Jerry, why don't you take the False Gospel Bible Quiz. More and more that time passes, the more it proves the Word of God is true.
---Rob on 9/20/15


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Monk: It seems strange that a monk would be comforted more with a worldly physician than with the Great Physician. It is also doubtful that a text on human anatomy would contradict the one who designed us.


clunity: Right out of the box with the off-topic, bash SDA's garbage, eh? EGW never contradicted the Bible, she extolls it. Your pseudo-orthodoxy, however constantly appeals to extra-biblical sources (e.g., Darwin, "church fathers",etc.).


---jerry6593 on 9/21/15


Like the fascination that SDAs have with the extra-biblical author EGW, whose writings your fundamental beliefs say speak with prophetic authority to your church?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/20/15


Jerry, if you were going into the hospital for heart surgery, wouldn't it be nice for the doctor to have at the very least read a book or two on the subject? All texts on heart surgery are extra-biblical, and I am sure would contradict the Bible in some places.

Wouldn't you be fascinated by the knowledge that the doctor had never studied such books?

I would be screaming my head off for a different doctor, one who had studied.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/20/15


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