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Which Christian denominations have historically rejected the Ten Commandments as binding on Christians?

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So, what language were they speaking?
-And in what language(s) did the authors of the NT scriptures write?
Not Greek?.. interesting... --micha9344 on 10/8/15


REALLY?

Pick up your Bible and read the outside binder.
Or read the front part of your Bible.

NOTE the words.

Do you really think KING JAMES wrote the Bible?

Jesus and the Apostles were Jews and Hebrews.

They could have spoken Greek, but common sense suggest when alone they spoke Hebrew or Aramaic to each other as their comfortable childhood language.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/9/15


Why am I being silly? Do you actually thing the Holy Spirit DID care?
---Cluny on 10/8/15

I do not know about the God you serve but the God I know cares about the smallest of things in my life and in the entire cosmos. Even words and syllables, because He created language for us. And because he created language for us, He knows which words to use and when, just as you correct grammar in your posts.

The Lord is not ambivalent, indecisive, uncertain, or hesitant. He does not make mistakes.

And if He will judge us for every idle word we say, then I am confident He does not speak idly.

Matt 12:36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment"
---Mark_Eaton on 10/9/15


CLUNY: Please state whether or not your orthodox church rejects the Ten Commandments as binding on Christians.

I triple-dog dare you.




---jerry6593 on 10/9/15


/the Apostles were not speaking Greek.\-Nicole_Lacey on 10/6/15
-They definitely weren't speaking English.
-So, what language were they speaking?
-And in what language(s) did the authors of the NT scriptures write?
Not Greek?.. interesting...
---micha9344 on 10/8/15


No Mark, I am using COMMON SENSE.

Count yourself how many times Peter is NAME FIRST in the Gospels and ACTS when the Apostles are named.

Plus, we all know that Jesus had 3 FAVORITES Apostles:
Peter, James and John in THAT ORDER.

So, James is #2 and John is #3 in Jesus and the Angle's eyes.
Even the Angle knew Peter is FIRST AND HEAD of the Church and Apostles.

Go ahead and count. You will be amazed.

The Bible doesn't write anything that isn't worth stating and how it is stated.

I believe you are blocking your mind when reading the Bible. Most of the Apostles.

Peter even duplicates Jesus' Actions in ACTS:
Rising the dead, healing people by passing by or being touch and etc.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/8/15




\\Maybe, if in Greek, the Holy Spirit didn't care which word was used.
---Cluny on 10/7/15

Okay, now you are getting silly.\\

Why am I being silly? Do you actually thing the Holy Spirit DID care?

As the translators of the KJV said, "Has the Kingdom of God now become words and syllables?"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/8/15


Maybe, if in Greek, the Holy Spirit didn't care which word was used.
---Cluny on 10/7/15

Okay, now you are getting silly.

The words used in the Bible are extremely important. Even Jesus talked about a jot or tittle in the wording of the Law. As you know, the conjugation, tense, and inflection in the Greek language tells us so much more than we can ever learn from the English translations.

I see your point, that using the different words for love to derive the meaning of the passage may be incorrect.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/8/15


CLUNY: Please state whether or not your orthodox church rejects the Ten Commandments as binding on Christians.

I double-dog dare you.



---jerry6593 on 10/8/15


As I said before, Jesus WAS ONLY SPEAKING TO PETER in front the other Apostles
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/7/15

I could say that Jesus was speaking to Peter because Peter, having boasted in front of all the Apostles that he would die for Jesus, denied Jesus three times and needed restoration.

I could also say that perhaps the Apostles needed to see that Peter was still willing to love and serve Jesus. Peter did want to go fishing suddenly. Perhaps Peter thought that he had blown it with Jesus and fishing was what he did before.

I could say this, but it would be reading into the Bible, which I try not to do. Your coronation of Peter is also reading into the Bible.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/7/15


\\If I use your information in relationship to the fact that John's Gospel was inspired by the HS, then do you mean to say the HS did not know which word He was using because they are interchangeable? \\

Did St. John write his Gospel in Greek originally--or in Aramaic?

Maybe, if in Greek, the Holy Spirit didn't care which word was used. Do you think St. John (and other Biblical writers, for that matter) channelled the books of the Bible by automatic writing?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/15




Actually, in ancient and Koine Greek, "agape" and "fili" (including their verb forms) were used interchangeably.
---Cluny on 10/6/15

If I use your information in relationship to the fact that John's Gospel was inspired by the HS, then do you mean to say the HS did not know which word He was using because they are interchangeable?

Or do you mean to say that there is no discernible difference in what Jesus or Peter say to each other each time their dialog is repeated?

The actual conversation would have taken place in Aramaic. I do not know Aramaic but I do know that Hebrew like Greek has three words translated as "love" in Emglish.

I am sure that the HS and John knew the difference.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/7/15


I am sorry but I do not read John 21 the way you do.
Jesus asks Peter, do you agapao me?---Mark_Eaton on 10/6/15

No offense, but that is the problem. You can not read the Bible as you wish.

You left out an important command by Jesus after He asked Peter if he loved Him.

A command and NOT a request.

TEND AND FEED HIS LAMB AND SHEEP.

As I said before, Jesus WAS ONLY SPEAKING TO PETER in front the other Apostles
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/7/15


cluny: Please state whether or not your orthodox church rejects the Ten Commandments as binding on Christians.

I dare you.



---jerry6593 on 10/7/15


Ten commandments give good guidance. I like them.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/6/15


The apostles wrote in Greek their words match their meaning.

2Samuel 22:32
For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?

Psalms 18:31
For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

In the old days the Cornerstone referred to the base stone set at the corner of the building by which all the other stone are lined up and is part of the foundation.

The Old meaning used by the Bible. Matthew 21:42, Mark 12:10 Luke 20:17

1Corithians 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone,
---Samuelbb7 on 10/6/15


\\Agapeo carries the meaning of intense, complete, devoted, sacrificial love, while phileo refers to love as in friendship.\\

Actually, in ancient and Koine Greek, "agape" and "fili" (including their verb forms) were used interchangeably.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/15


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Cluny Opps the first day or Sunday. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/7/15


when Jesus was CONFIRMING Peter's LEADERSHIP ROLE BEFORE Jesus ascends into Heaven.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/5/15

I am sorry but I do not read John 21 the way you do.

Jesus asks Peter, do you agapao me? Peter responds, Yes, Lord, I phileo you. Jesus asks a second time, Peter do you agapao me? Peter responds a second time, yes Lord, I phileo you. The third time Jesus asks, Peter do you phileo me? Peter is saddened that Jesus asks the third time and says yes Lord, I phileo you.

Agapeo carries the meaning of intense, complete, devoted, sacrificial love, while phileo refers to love as in friendship.

I think Peter was saying that all He could give to Jesus right then was friendship, not everything.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/6/15


Cluny I can't believe you put a childish thing in that post,"I dare you",what is wrong with you. I will answer not because you foolishly dared me to but because I hope I am polite enough to do so. No it doesn't have anything about a religious day,I just repeated what the Professor said. Some of the Christian's were already observing the 7th day rest and religious day and evidently Constantine's must have been used for more than rest why else would the Professor taught that in class. I don't know what his reference was or why he taught that but he was a seasoned Professor therefore I didn't question what he taught. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/6/15


Micha, lets look deeper, not to the side or behind but into the topic.

the Apostles were not speaking Greek.

Nice try.

Why don't you translate Rock into French or Spanish?

And as you said, Christ ONLY calls HIMSELF the Cornerstone.
Jesus calls Simon the Rock which His Church would be built on top.

Goggle the word Cornerstone.

It's called Cornerstone because it is PLACED IN THE CORNER holding 2 sides TOGETHER.

Never under anything.

Jesus is the HEAD.

Don't make things difficult.
Sometimes the word means exactly what it says.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/6/15


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/Cephas means Rock = Peter\--Nicole_Lacey on 10/6/15
Let's look a little deeper.
Cephas: transliteration of Greek "Kefas", derived from Hebrew "Kaf", a stone or rock, masculine.
Peter: transliteration of Greek "Petros", a stone, masculine.
"Upon this rock": translation of Greek "petra", a rock, feminine.
"Upon this rock" refers to his previous statement, "Thou art the Christ", Christ being the chief cornerstone upon which the church is built.
David, Paul and many others referred to this "Rock" of our salvation.
---micha9344 on 10/6/15


Nicole how does John know this? Give me chapter and verse..Paul did not know it....And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars,---Samuelbb7

Nice try, but Peter is ALWAYS listed first when he, James and John are named in the Gospels. Cephas means Rock = Peter.
Go ahead and look at all 4. Peter is FIRST.

Paul knew it because he went to Jerusalem for the Apostle's direction and Peter STOOD AND SPOKE Acts 15

Lastly, John knew because that was the last chapter he wrote about Jesus speaking telling Peter to take care of his Lambs and Sheep. I gave chapter and verses, but again I shall: John 21:1-18

The others were present (Peter turns to look at John), as with the keys, Jesus is ONLY TALKING to PETER.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/6/15


Nicole how does John know this? Give me chapter and verse.

Paul did not know it.

Peter was also called Cephas.

1Corinthians 9:5
Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship, that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Peter had a wife and is an equal to James and John in the eyes of Paul.


Acts 11 Peter had to account for his actions to the church.

Peter had to report to James. Acts 12:17 15:13 21:18
---Samuelbb7 on 10/5/15


\\Cluny It most certainly had to do with religious observance,when Constantine was saved\\

Please give one word or phrase enjoining religious observance that can be found in Constantine's decree.

I dare you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/15


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..why is it that Jesus called him Satan, and left James in charge?
BTW, does your church reject the Ten Commandments as binding on Christians or not?
---jerry6593

CCC is based on the 10 Commandments. Read it.

As far as James being in charge, I guess you never read the Gospel of John.

It was Peter on the shore NOT James when Jesus was CONFIRMING Peter's LEADERSHIP ROLE BEFORE Jesus ascends into Heaven.

(After He called him satan. Do you think Jesus wants satan to feed and tend His Sheeps?)

John 21:1-18

Not to the 11 Disciples, not even John the writer of the Gospel.
Even John knows that Peter is in Charge.

Sorry, but you can't pick and choose which Gospel you wish to follow.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/5/15


Cluny It most certainly had to do with religious observance,when Constantine was saved he wanted the whole of those under him to be the same therefore when they didn't respond to meeting on Saturday he choose Sunday because he thought they were more apt to convert from Paganism to Christianity if they would meet on the Pagan day of assembly. Before you ask I learned that in Bible class in College. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/5/15


\\Why did Constantine have to tell people not to keep Saturday Sabbath in 321AD?
\\

Constantine's "Sunday law" had nothing to do with religious observance.

Question: If the Roman Catholic Church is responsible for changing Saturday to Sunday, why is it that so many church that had NOTHING to do with Rome, such as the Ethiopians and Syrian Christians of India, have Sunday as the main liturgical day?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/15


Cluny you missed your chance to point out that the RCC did not exist then nor until 1054.

Why did Constantine have to tell people not to keep Saturday Sabbath in 321AD?

Sunday was was called the Lord's Day or Sabbath by some and many more as time went on.

But the Seventh day Sabbath was still being observed by Christians then and even until today.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/4/15


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Constantine met on the Sabbath for church and worship has always been a part of the church. He also told all residing in the city to cease from work not just the Government. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/3/15


Nicole: Although your pope Peter rant is completely off topic, why is it that Jesus called him Satan, and left James in charge?


BTW, does your church reject the Ten Commandments as binding on Christians or not?

(Cluny is unable to answer this question about his orthodox church.)


---jerry6593 on 10/4/15


/They did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we. They did not care about observing sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered...to be observed as symbols, nor do Christians of the present day do such things.\-Eusebius, c325AD
/...those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day...\Ignatius,c35AD-c107AD
/...in that you observe no festivals or sabbaths, and do not have the rite of circumcision, and further, resting your hopes on a man that was crucified...\Trypho to Justin Martyr, 1st century AD
---micha9344 on 10/3/15


\\Constantine the ruler changed the Saturday worship to Sunday.In the year 321 AD he decreed On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in the cities rest and let all workshops be closed. When he found Christianity for himself he didn't like that no one honored the Sabbath therefore he decided if he changed it to the Pagan day of worship more people would honor it.\\

Note that there is NOTHING about worship in Constantine's decree, only that government work stop.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/3/15


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I am not sure a specific pope changed the day. But that the RCC claims to have changed the day is documented.

Catholic Priest T. Enright, CSSR, Kansas City, MO:
It was the holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday, the 1st day of the week. And it not only compelled all to keep Sunday, but at the Council of Laodicea, AD 364, anathematized those who kept the Sabbath and urged all persons to labor on the 7th day under penalty of anathema.

A DOCTRINAL CATECHISM,
ON THE BASIS OF SCHEFFMACHER'S CATECHISM.

BY THE

R E V. S T E P H E N K E E N A N.

THIRD AMERICAN EDITION, REVISED AND CORRECTED, CONFORM
JOHN CARDINAL McCLOSKEY

Pg. 102 on Sabbath
---Samuelbb7 on 10/3/15


Constantine the ruler changed the Saturday worship to Sunday.In the year 321 AD he decreed On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in the cities rest and let all workshops be closed. When he found Christianity for himself he didn't like that no one honored the Sabbath therefore he decided if he changed it to the Pagan day of worship more people would honor it. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/3/15


***
\\THE POPE made that decision\\

Please give the name of the pope that made the decision about changing Saturday to Sunday, and when.***

Notice carefully that my question about WHICH pope made this decision and WHEN was never answered.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/15


\\cluny: Justin Martyr was a pagan apologist. Show me from the Bible.\\

Justin Martyr was a Christian who gave his life for the Savior. Show me from the Scripture where he did not do so..

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/15


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The other apostles may have been glad they weren't named.
Mat 14:31 ...and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me...
Mat 26:34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
Mat 26:40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
-Maybe Peter is the first Pope: rebuking Jesus, denying His Word, and weak in the flesh.
---micha9344 on 10/1/15


Jerry, bless your heart I think you are jealous of Peter. Count all the Apostles names in all the Gospels and Acts.
Peter's named 4 to one at least compared to the others.
Jesus and the Angels ALWAYS named Peter first when calling the Apostles.
They also sometimes only named Peter and the other Apostles.

Sorry, but it is true.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/1/15


Those that believe they can obey all the commandments all the time in order to please God are simply wrong. The righteous live by faith not by commandments and the righteousness that we have that counts is in Christ not in ourselves. Poor SDAs simply do not understand spiritual things because they are spiritual discerned.
---RioLion on 10/1/15


/ALL of the Apostles and early Christian disciples kept the seventh-day Sabbath exclusively.\
/Show me from the Bible.\-jerry6593 on 10/1/15
Yes please do...
Especially the exclusivity part.
What is good for the goose...
---micha9344 on 10/1/15


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//
St Peter the fisher man is the Pope who started celebrating the Sabbath on Sunday because Jesus rose on a Sunday.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/30/15
//

Bless your heart. Peter was never a pope - nor was he the leader of the Apostles. According to the Bible, James was the chairman of the Jerusalem Council. ALL of the Apostles and early Christian disciples kept the seventh-day Sabbath exclusively. Besides, the Bible teaches that baptism - not Sunday - is the memorial of the Resurrection.



cluny: Justin Martyr was a pagan apologist. Show me from the Bible.

BTW, does your orthodox church reject the Ten Commandments as binding on Christians or not. That's not so hard, is it?



---jerry6593 on 10/1/15


From the law that was made several centuries latter were included the words to not sabatize on Sabbath.

Christian practice of following Sabbath after the manner of the Hebrews declined, prompting Tertullian to note "to [us] Sabbaths are strange" and unobserved.[19] Even as late as the 4th century.Wikipedia Sabbath in Christianity.

From Sabbath to Sunday by Samuele Bacchiochi addresses this in depth.

Yes Tradition does say it is Sunday. But the Bible says the Sabbath is the Lord's day.

Luke 6:5
And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/30/15


Rev 1:10 does NOT call Sunday the Lord's Day. Look closer.
---jerry6593 on 9/30/15

Rev 1:10 does not say "the Sabbath".

Rev 1:10 does not say "the Day of the Lord", even though the meaning is similar. The phrase "the Day of the Lord" is used in the NT (1 Thes. 5:2 & 2 Pet. 3:10) and is always written in a manner different from Rev. 1:10. The NT writers wanted to keep the phrasing the same as the OT.

Rev 1:10 says the Lord's day. Now does that mean Saturday, Sunday, Christmas, or Easter?

Tradition has Rev 1:10 meaning Sunday.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/30/15


St Peter the fisher man is the Pope who started celebrating the Sabbath on Sunday because Jesus rose on a Sunday.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/30/15


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\\Nicole: I congratulate you for your honesty in declaring that the Catholic Church changed the day of worship to Sunday centuries after the Resurrection.\\

The Sabbath was never a day of worship, as there were at least twice daily services in the Tabernacle, the Temple, and later the Synagogues (this would have been after the exile).

Sunday was the day of the Eucharist for Christians, as attested in the First Apology of Justin Martyr, who flourished in the early 100's.

So you're wrong (as in so many other things you say) in saying that the Catholic Church "changed the day of worship" several centuries later.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/15


cluny: Does your orthodox church reject the Ten Commandments as binding on Christians or not. That's not so hard, is it?


Nicole: I congratulate you for your honesty in declaring that the Catholic Church changed the day of worship to Sunday centuries after the Resurrection. But, just because billions agree, that doesn't make it right.


Trey: Rev 1:10 does NOT call Sunday the Lord's Day. Look closer.


---jerry6593 on 9/30/15


\\THE POPE made that decision\\

Please give the name of the pope that made the decision about changing Saturday to Sunday, and when.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/15


Nicole there is no Bible verse that I hate. I love some more then others.

One of my favorite is:

Isaiah 49:16
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands, thy walls are continually before me.

I just do not believe or find a reason to think peter was a pope at all. Nor that he was given authority above all Bishops a doctrine opposed by the majority of other equal bishops in the early church. Just ask Cluny or read some history.

John Paul 11 in his Dies Domini tries to make the Bible say it was Jesus who changed the day. But in older history it was the popes who claimed the power. A power where Jesus has to bend to their will.

GOD is the final authority and bows to no human will.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/29/15


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Nancy, if the Catholics worship on Sunday rather than Saturday they are correct in doing so. If you will study the scriptures the early church worshiped on the first day of the week. Christ rose on the first day of the week. Pentecost was on the first day of the week. Acts 20 Paul preaches on the first day. Notice in Rev 1:10 it is also called the Lord's Day.

By the way, Peter never went to Rome. This is a fallacy started by the church at Rome when they found a grave with name Peter at the sight of the church. Peter's ministry was in Jerusalem.

Also I love Matt 16:19. Peter opened the door for the Gentiles.
---trey on 9/29/15


Cluny, you are CORRECT. Trinity is needed as instructed by Jesus in Matthew 28:19. Thank you, I forgot some only baptize in Jesus' Name only.

Nicole: "If you are a Christian, Sunday is the Sabbath" Says who? Your pope? The Bible says that the seventh day is the Sabbath--jerry6593

YUP!
THE POPE made that decision and over 2 Billion Christians (Catholics and Protestants) use Sunday as the Sabbath.


Not a chance.---jerry6593

Nope, no chance at all but REALITY.

And you can't change it because you are not PETER holding the KEYS.

Even Jesus in Heaven is following Sunday as the Sabbath.
Bound on earth is Bind in Heaven. Matthew 16:19

The most hated verse in the Bible by non Catholics.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/29/15


\\His Church has all Seven Sacraments which you only have 2 of the Sacraments.\\

That's questionable, Nicole.

If an SDA becomes an Orthodox Christian, s/he must be received by canonical Orthodox baptism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/28/15


cluny: Once again you can't answer a direct question, but duck and weave. I'll be more direct.

Does your orthodox church reject the Ten Commandments as binding on Christians or not. That's not so hard, is it?



Nicole: "If you are a Christian, Sunday is the Sabbath"

Says who? Your pope? The Bible says that the seventh day is the Sabbath - not the first. Do you expect us to believe your word rather than the word of God? Not a chance.


---jerry6593 on 9/29/15


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Yes grace men are freed from sin to walk in righteousness not in breaking the law.

Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Correct the law is a school master.

So you are saying when you graduate from school you should forget to be able to read and do right?

The law does not save. It teaches us what is sin. So we are to not live in sin.

I John
---Samuelbb7 on 9/28/15


The Bible calls the law a schoolmaster, tutor, and a governor (Gal 3:24 ). It told what to do, and what not to do. How many thou-shalt nots are in the law? The law threatened severe punishment.
For this reason, some believe without being under the law sin would run rampant. This motivates sincere people to put up the Ten Commandments in public places to remind others that thou shalt not, or else.
grace actually teaches righteousness and godliness without the law. (Rom 3:21)
Just as grace teaches that by the law no man can be made righteous, it also says that grace does not make men sinners. On the contrary, grace frees men from sin (Rom 6:7 ).
---michael_e on 9/28/15


So, if saying "Catholic lite" is like saying you worship the Devil lightly, does that mean that saying "Catholic" is like saying you worship the Devil?
Just saying...---micha9344 on 9/28/15

COMMON SENSE
If you want to understand something keep this in mind:

Never start a paragraph IN the middle to figure out what it means.

You are missing the first half.
JUST SAYING
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/28/15


/No such thing as Catholic lite.
That's like saying you worship the Devil lightly.\-Nicole_Lacey on 9/28/15
So, if saying "Catholic lite" is like saying you worship the Devil lightly, does that mean that saying "Catholic" is like saying you worship the Devil?
Just saying...
---micha9344 on 9/28/15


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See, you really are a Catholic lite. I see you didn't address the change of the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first. And yes, your pope recently called Sunday the Sabbath.

But none of this answers the blog question. Care to try again?---jerry6593

Then DON'T change the subject.
That's like saying please remain sitting and then yelling out 'FIRE'. Really?

You made a FALSE statement and Cluny CORRECTED you.

If you are a Christian, Sunday is the Sabbath

No such thing as Catholic lite.

That's like saying you worship the Devil lightly.

Cluny isn't underneath Pope Francis. Please check your information.

His Church has all Seven Sacraments which you only have 2 of the Sacraments.
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/28/15


Trav The Bible gave me what I said ...don't call someone ignorant because they refuse to accept what you believe.
---Darlene_1 on 9/27/15

You began and stopped at verses 16-25 before the conclusion in 26. Ignoring the verses Rom 11:26-36, which completes and confirms that the "ethnos"/ "nations" are the ten divorced/put away of Israel and Judah are who is spoken of here.
Just like the "New" Covenant is to a family house split. House of ten of Israel "AND" Judah.
Ignoring is worse than Ignorant...because you could research and look. But, you won't. Understand, there is no argument between us. Your argument is with the scriptural conclusions provided by Apostle/Prophet/Christ.
---Trav on 9/28/15


\\Does your denomination believe that the Ten Commandments (whether altered or not) are binding on Christians or not. If not, you can hardly call yourself orthodox.\\

Since the SDA organization picks and chooses which of God's sabbaths it will observe, you are hardly in a position to accuse me or others.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/28/15


cluny: "That's the way it really is."

WRONG!!!

See, you really are a Catholic lite. I see you didn't address the change of the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first. And yes, your pope recently called Sunday the Sabbath.

But none of this answers the blog question. Care to try again?

Does your denomination believe that the Ten Commandments (whether altered or not) are binding on Christians or not. If not, you can hardly call yourself orthodox.


---jerry6593 on 9/28/15


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Trav The Bible gave me what I said and if you choose to ignore the Bible when it says we are grafted into the branch thats fine but don't call someone ignorant because they refuse to accept what you believe. Going into all that which you believe won't make you right by much talking. I will not argue with you. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 9/27/15


\\The RCC has changed the Ten Commandments in their Catechism (by deleting the 2nd, splitting the 10th in two...\\

WRONG!

Protestants have changed the Decalogue by dividing the first into two, and combining the 9th and 10th.

That's the way it really is.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/15


Will someone please address the blog question? The RCC has changed the Ten Commandments in their Catechism (by deleting the 2nd, splitting the 10th in two, and calling the 1st day of the week Sabbath rather than the 7th), but they have not rejected the 10C. The founders of most protestant denominations adhered to the doctrine of obedience to the 10C, but now many of them reject this teaching, preaching this new "we are not under the 10C law" theory. When did all this start?


---jerry6593 on 9/27/15


Romans 11:16-18 confirms... Trav no I wouldn't argue the Bible period,..
---Darlene_1 on 9/24/15

Well, you willfully stopped short of understanding, in Romans 11:26, which confirms that your "ethnos"/ "nations" of Israel are who is spoken of here. Just like the "New" Covenant is to a family house split. House of Israel "AND" Judah.
Ignoring/avoiding is worse than ignorance. But, once one has acknowledged there is no excuse. Truth frees one whether of Israel or not of Israel.
The GOD we appeal to is a righteous GOD.
Interestingly you have called the white man thieves stealing indian property, yet you willingly claim what is Israels without written approval.
---Trav on 9/25/15


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Matt 21 is proper commentary to Rom 11:16-24.
In eight verses, Paul shows God had not cast away all Israel, but instead gave his promises to branches that could bear fruit.
He cut off good olive branches (scribes, priests, and unbelieving in Israel), and grafted in wild olive branches (blind, publicans, harlots, fishermen) that made up the faithful little flock.
If the branches were grafted in according to the Lords words in Matt 21:43, then the wild graft couldn't be the church which didn't yet exist.
If the church is the wild graft in Rom 11:24, then the church must be found in Matt 21.
The wild olive graft of Roms 11 is the faithful nation that bears fruit in Matt 21.
---michael_e on 9/24/15


Samuelibb7 Thank you. Romans 11:24 is a good scripture also Romans 11:16-18 confirms the Gentiles are grafted in and now nourished of the Root. Trav no I wouldn't argue the Bible period,I'll share whats written in the Bible but if it doesn't suit someone then maybe they need to read it some more. With all respect to how you see yourself I don't see a Prophet and I've never been accused of being ignorant. Just because you don't agree with someone it doesn't mean they are ignorant,just maybe they know what they are talking about. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 9/24/15


/Gentiles are grafted into the Jewish people.\-Samuelbb7 on 9/23/15
This is a false statement based on a poor interpretation of Romans 11.
---micha9344 on 9/23/15


Ten Commandments are like an army aiming weapons at a target which is your soul. If you didnt break the first one there are nine more to hold you accountable.
In his earthly ministry Jesus reminded Israel that even the evil and lustful thoughts could condemn you. (Mat 5:19 , Mat 5:28 )

Even when Jesus boiled it down to just one commandment for sinful Israel we all still fall terribly short. . (Mat 22:37 )
No mortal has done this with every breath ever taken? If you break one you are guilty of all (James 2:10 ).
There is none righteous, no, not one. (Rom 3:10 )
But then the meaning of the cross was revealed to Paul who explained the glorious mystery of Jesus Christ!
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law
---michaele on 9/23/15


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Trav Yes Jesus came to his own and his own,Jews,didn't accept Him,they knew Him not,...To become an ingrafted branch in the family of God.
---Darlene_1 on 9/22/15

Heb 8:8 Covenant, I posted and you read states "house of Israel" AND "Judah".
Northern House of Ten, put away divorced are the grafting. Related root, related tree, same fruit. Prophets verify.
You're not the type to argue with GOD's prophets, although some do knowingly, claiming to be preacher/teachers but, are false,seen by their works of denial.
Ignorance is an understandable thing...seeing, knowing and ignoring another.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer,...
---Trav on 9/24/15


Agreed Darlene Gentiles are grafted into the Jewish people.

Romans 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Romans 13:9 explains love and law.

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Nicole please explain your point please.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/23/15


Trav Yes Jesus came to his own and his own,Jews,didn't accept Him,they knew Him not,and that is why the Gentiles were given the chance to accept Christ and the Second Covenant. To become an ingrafted branch in the family of God. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 9/22/15


It is impossible to be a Christian and deny the Ten Commandments.

That's like asking which Jewish denominations rejected Saturday as the Sabbath?
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/22/15


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We aren't bound under the Old Covenant,we are under the New Covenant ...
---Darlene_1 on 9/21/15

But, then the New Covenant is too the same people as the Old Covenant.

Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Jer_31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
---Trav on 9/22/15


Oh, are you going to talk about the Saturday Sabbath and young earth for a change, jerry?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/21/15


Christians are under the Law of Love written on our hearts not stone. 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 tells us what love does and what it doesn't,if we live by that we are keeping the 10 Commandments too. We were never under the 10 Commandments if we are Gentiles it was for the Jewish people. We aren't bound under the Old Covenant,we are under the New Covenant bought by the Blood of Jesus. We are buried with Christ through water baptism,arise a new creature in Christ,walk in newness of Spirit and obey God's Word because we love Him. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 9/21/15


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