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Will Jesus Return In 2015

I heard some people who appear on TBN and Daystar say CHRIST will return on September 28, 2015. What are your thoughts?

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Yes, leon, you do not have to tell me.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/9/15


///Leon, it would be more helpful to hear your own personal experience.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/8/15///

Sure s.k: I've read John 3:6-8 & believe what Jesus said, & also believe everything that is said about Jesus in the Bible.
---Leon on 10/9/15


Leon, it would be more helpful to hear your own personal experience.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/8/15


Sure s.k. Read & believe John 3:6-8.
---Leon on 10/8/15


Leon, I am here to learn how Christians know God intimately. Can you help?
---santimoy.kumar on 10/8/15




///It is, Leon, to know god intimately.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/7/15///

How is that accomplished? I noticed you intimated God as "god". Why is that?
---Leon on 10/8/15


It is, Leon, to know god intimately.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/7/15


Trav:

I said: Where did Cluny claim this?

You said: Cluny can't defend his positions

He says Orthodox were around in NT times (I disagree), and were there before NT was written (I showed this earlier).

Israel's scriptures.

He didn't say Israel's.

You are an Ox yoked to a donkey.

Ad-hominem attack.

your one-liners don't seem to encourage dialogue.

I usually point out how a comment 1) contradicts scripture, or 2) is not supported by scripture, or 3) is logically indefensible, or 4) is off-topic for a blog, or 5) is inappropriate in any civilized discussion.

Jer 31:1-4

Yet you exclude most Christians as being false.
---StrongAxe on 10/8/15


Yes, strongaxe. Muslims can be very violent. It is sad.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/7/15


Shows what you know.
---Cluny on 10/6/15

Actually you prove it for me...and totally unaware. Now we could have some great visits on scripture but, your one-liners don't seem to encourage dialogue.
Jer 31:1 At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.
Jer_31:3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
Jer 31:4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.
---Trav on 10/7/15




Trav:
Where did Cluny claim this?
---StrongAxe on 10/7/15

I love you lots Strongaxe but, you keep diving in over your head.
Cluny can't defend his positions and you only expose what he would prefer to slink away from. Israel's scriptures. You appear a better friend to him than he is you. You are an Ox yoked to a donkey.

Deu_22:10 Thou shalt not plow with an ox and an ass together.
(I thrown him some scriptural grass to eat right now)
Job_6:5 Doth the wild ass bray when he hath grass? or loweth the ox over his fodder?
---Trav on 10/7/15


///Yes, Leon, that is true.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/7/15///

What then is the ultimate answer to all the issues religious people have?
---Leon on 10/7/15


Trav:

Where did Cluny claim this? The New Testament church spread throughout Jesusalem, near Asia, Greece, and Rome for decades, solely by word of mouth, before any of the New Testament was set to parchment. Paul's letters weren't written until he was imprisoned in Rome. The other books weren't written until the eyewitnesses were getting old, and they began to realize that Jesus might not return in their lifetimes, and they wanted to preserve their testimony for posterity.


santimoy.kumar:

At least different groups of Christians don't kill each other today over theological differences the way different Muslim groups (e.g. Sunnis and Shiites) do.
---StrongAxe on 10/7/15


Yes, Leon, that is true.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/7/15


Don't forget, we existed BEFORE one word of the NT was written.
---Cluny on 10/6/15

So you profess to be Hebrews/Judah/Israel? But, then by opinion only you witness again you/she can't substantiate a 'superior" position. Confused, unscriptural by marks, "She" is a "mark" by the history of "sheep" exodus away from her confusion. You are an example that she is the mother of embraced confusion. Israels written records. A Compiled Bible she cannot interpret and disciples who cannot share/link scripture with scripture with any christian...but, rather finds ways to make divisions...which you exhibit to perfection. But, you do make fine opportunity's to post for the "Sheep" of Israel.
---Trav on 10/7/15


///I am observing that Christians disagree amongst themselves on many issues.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/6/15///

Have you also observed that people of other religions likewise disagree on just as many, if not more issues?
---Leon on 10/7/15


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I am observing that Christians disagree amongst themselves on many issues.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/6/15

Luk_12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay, but rather division:
Mat_10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

There is no division between scriptural witnesses. Prophets, Christ, Apostles. For this reason I post them.

Another example of division put into place by GOD for his people.
Exo 8:23 And I will put a division between my people and thy people: to morrow shall this sign be.
---Trav on 10/7/15


I am observing that Christians disagree amongst themselves on many issues.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/6/15


\\Your group does not look for "sheep" or promote any scriptural word about them. \\

Shows what you know.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/15


\\You hide behind the title of your church. You've alluded to it continually but cannot show it is scripturally superior. It is\\

Yes, she IS superior.

"Orthodox" is not the title of our church. It's just a label we wear so others can find us.

The title or name of our Church to ourselves is Church of Christ, Church of God, Pillar and Ground of Truth, and all those other names used in the NT.

You don't think that YOUR church gave the Bible? Don't forget, we existed BEFORE one word of the NT was written.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/15


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...what do you think that may be? Specifics, please.
...it was the Orthodox Church that gave you the very scriptures you misuse.
---Cluny on 10/5/15

Specifics. You hide behind the title of your church. You've alluded to it continually but cannot show it is scripturally superior. It isn't.
Your church did not give us anything. It wasn't theirs. The Prophets, Christ and the Apostles gave all. Israel was to be found and is. Your group has played a role and failed. History witnesses the "exodus" away from you guys. Your group does not look for "sheep" or promote any scriptural word about them. The Hidden, Silent Witness...is your lips. Mostly in ignorance, seen as fear.
---Trav on 10/6/15


...the very scriptures you misuse.
---Cluny on 10/5/15

Well...please correct me. I'm humble enough to search your truths and embrace them. Who does not want Truth?

Show any/all scripture misused. Be wise, or sing. Don't hide behind an accusation. Make your buddies smile and meow.

Your correction needs to be in pairs minimum so they witness each other, and keeping you from being just an opinion. For example a prophet and Christ or Apostle. Two prophets and an Apostle. Two Apostles and a Prophet. Christ and any or all prophets.
Pro_27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.
Ecc_7:5 It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.
Luk_17:3 Take heed...
---Trav on 10/6/15


\\ Your fear of posting too much, reveals what you try to hide is not worth hiding.\\

And just what do you think that may be? Specifics, please.

I have nothing to hide.

As far as giving scriptural support of the Orthodox Church, it was the Orthodox Church that gave you the very scriptures you misuse.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/15


If you have a pure heart, you can see God any day.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/5/15


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Trav:

You said: Sept 28th has come and gone and you still want to discuss it??

That is beside the point. This blog is for discussion of "Will Jesus return in 2015?", and NOT other religious groups. If you want to do that, start a blog for that purpose.

You just needed to vent on me a little.

And you don't? You vent about "denominational churches" in most blogs you are on. I merely point out that this is not appropriate.

Although rarely to scripture or rarely with scripture.

When discussing scriptural matters, I DO quote scripture.

Isa_5:20

What evil am I calling good? What good am I calling evil? Specifics, please.
---StrongAxe on 10/5/15


Trav:
Once again, you are hijacking an unrelated blog ...
---StrongAxe on 10/5/15

Hmmmm. Sept 28th has come and gone and you still want to discuss it?? Nah I don't think so. You just needed to vent on me a little. I've noticed you love being "Hi-Jacked". You always respond. Although rarely to scripture or rarely with scripture. You're not here to speculate on scripture really now are you. Defending the indefensible...is that your police work?
Isa_5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
---Trav on 10/5/15


Trav:

Once again, you are hijacking an unrelated blog into condemnation of a Christian group, as you so frequently do to other blogs. If you feel so strongly about this issue, why not start a new blog devoted to that subject, instead of constantly hijacking other blogs?
---StrongAxe on 10/5/15


...proves how little your views correspond with reality.
---Cluny on 10/2/15

The only reality we have of you is the perceptions you've painted. Your fear of posting too much, reveals what you try to hide is not worth hiding. A neon facade of ortho church.
It would be great if you could scripturally show where this organization offers something but, after all these years the ortho attraction is scripturally...not. Historically...not a ticket to anywhere.

Luk_20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts,
---Trav on 10/5/15


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I noticed, that as with all failed prophecies, the almost total lack of interest in this topic once September 28 has come and gone.
---StrongAxe on 10/5/15


He didn't return Sept 28 or Christians would have met him in the air(ref 1 Thess.4)
---michael_e on 10/3/15


Trav:

You said: You walk with and defend your two friends who confess and prostrate before earthly church fathers and papa popes. What you allow and defend is what you are or are seen as. You plow one way they plow another. Interesting garden you have going.

Are you an American? If so, do you agree with everything the American government does? (And if not, say, if you're from the UK, do you agree with everything the UK government does?). You paint with too wide a brush. Even Paul and Mark had disagreements to the point where they parted ways, yet we consider both of their writings scripture.
---StrongAxe on 10/3/15


\\Yet, truth being that you appear universal on my end. \\

And this simply proves how little your views correspond with reality.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/15


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Trav:
You said: Karen, a common mistake. Tag team.

Wrong again. I am neither Catholic nor Orthodox. However, we all have the same father in heaven.
---StrongAxe on 10/2/15

Yet, truth being that you appear universal on my end.
Amo_3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

You walk with and defend your two friends who confess and prostrate before earthly church fathers and papa popes. What you allow and defend is what you are or are seen as. You plow one way they plow another. Interesting garden you have going.

Deu_22:10 Thou shalt not plow with an ox and an ass together.
---Trav on 10/2/15


Trav:

You said: Karen, a common mistake. Tag team. These three have a similar mystical earthly father. He resides in their ortho/catholic churches.

Wrong again. I am neither Catholic nor Orthodox. However, we all have the same father in heaven.

Since you are constantly accusing and judging, you seem to be more familiar with the god of this earth. I'm sure you would be just as accusing of Karen, if she told you what church she belonged to, since you constantly condemn ALL denominational churches, Catholic and Protestant alike.


Cluny:

You said: There's no such thing as a pre-trib rapture.

Gordon said rapture, not pre-trib rapture.
---StrongAxe on 10/2/15


///Sooooo. Cluny and Monk are the same person.---KarenD on 9/24/15///

No, KarenD.

I'm no more the same person as Monk Brendan (or StrongAxe) ...
---Cluny on 9/30/15

Karen, a common mistake. Tag team. These three have a similar mystical earthly father. He resides in their ortho/catholic churches. Big da da lives in Rome and ortho Alexandria. These three are stepbrothers. Step on one and a brother mystic pops up. The three amigos.

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
---Trav on 10/1/15


\\Now, the Rapture of the Bride of Christ is another story altogether.
---Gordon on 10/1/15\\

There's no such thing as a pre-trib rapture.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/15


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YAHUSHUA will not return to Earth until AFTER the Anti-Christ of Revelation 13 has reigned for at least 3 and 1/2 years! Because, when YAHUSHUA returns to Earth, one of the first things He will do is cast the Anti-Christ and the False Prophet into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 19:20).

The Anti-Christ has not arrived "in office", let alone, reign for 3 and 1/2 years.

Now, the Rapture of the Bride of Christ is another story altogether.
---Gordon on 10/1/15


///Sooooo. Cluny and Monk are the same person.---KarenD on 9/24/15///

No, KarenD.

I'm no more the same person as Monk Brendan (or StrongAxe) than you are the same person as Leon.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/15


Leon:

You said: Are you familiar with the Gollum/Smeedle character in the Lord of the Rings?

First, it's Smeagol, not Smeedle. He was suffering from what we today call MPD (multiple personality disorder), or more recently, DID (dissociative identity disorder) - two personality aspects sharing one body.

Second, Cluny and Monk_Brendan are two distinct individuals, both of whom I have personally known for around 14 years. While they are similar (and agree on a lot of things), they AREN'T the same, and don't agree on everything. I also agree with both of them on some things, but also disagree on others.
---StrongAxe on 9/30/15


Monk: I loved the sarcasm. It seems there is an infinite number of false theories, but very few that adhere to the straight testimony of scripture. So sad.



---jerry6593 on 9/30/15


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I wonder what they will say and do now? They probably will say CHRIST didn't return because people didn't believe.

Now that these people have once again been and proven to be FALSE TEACHERS, I wonder if people will run from them and stop sending them money. I seriously doubt it
---Rob on 9/29/15


///Sooooo. Cluny and Monk are the same person.---KarenD on 9/24/15///

KarenD: Are you familiar with the Gollum/Smeedle character in the Lord of the Rings?
---Leon on 9/29/15


Jerry said, " What are your thoughts?

See you on Sept. 29th."


Well, it is the 29th of September, 2015. I didn't notice any trumpets or lightning or Jesus showing up on a white horse yesterday. You know what you are supposed to do with False Prophets, don't you? Pick up a big rock!

Forgive the sarcasm!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/29/15


Leon:

You said: I agree with the Moderator Rob. Jesus said no man knows the day or the hour. You would think these people would know better from reading Scripture. Nonetheless, they waste their energies reading into Scripture their erroneous opinions & mislead a sea of people who blindly follow them.

I totally agree. And now that the Day of atonement has passed, and the Four Blood Moons have passed, without any apocalyptic signs, yet another set of false prophecies, and the false prophets that made them, bite the dust.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/15


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What are your thoughts?

See you on Sept. 29th.


---jerry6593 on 9/27/15


\\Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance Monk. You would have the audacity to think "the unworthy Monkey" has the power to enlighten me with great swelling words & shallow insults? \\

Well, you are arrogant enough to think that your ignorance gives you power to enlighten people.

But then again, as you have demonstrated about yourself, you are so deluded you think that you are on the same spiritual level as the Forerunner and Our Savior.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/15


Leon said, "So, I will no longer acknowledge Cluny & other condescending religious folk on these blogs."

I hope that means me, as well!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/26/15


I agree with the Moderator Rob. Jesus said no man knows the day or the hour. You would think these people would know better from reading Scripture. Nonetheless, they waste their energies reading into Scripture their erroneous opinions & mislead a sea of people who blindly follow them.
---Leon on 9/26/15


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Karen D, I never have and hope I never will send money to TBN, Daystar, or anyone else I see on these networks. I often wonder and feel sorry for those who do.

Often I'm asked why I watch TBN and Daystar. I watch them so I can learn about their latest lies, scams, and schemes, and try to warn others who will
listen,!
---Rob on 9/26/15


Leon:

Comments like "a brood of vipers" were directed at Pharisees, who commanded people to do one thing, while they themselves didn't follow those commands. Is anyone here doing this? (Also, by the way, 'faired' should be 'fared'.)

You are the one who started with personal attacks (e.g. "depends"). Comments directed towards you were "stop using personal attacks". Such comments are not, in themselves, personal attacks.

Even if they WERE, you invited them - by the Golden Rule, if you do something to someone else, you must want them to do it to you. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

I, for one, don't like to be personally attacked, which is why I try not to personally attack anyone.
---StrongAxe on 9/25/15


\\I wondered how John the Baptist would've faired on these blogs by calling some here a brood of vipers? Jesus didn't speak to everybody, but only to those who had an ear to hear.\\

Note how deluded Leon is. He claims to be on the same spiritual level as John the Baptist and Our Savior.

\\ So, I will no longer acknowledge Cluny & other condescending religious folk on these blogs.\\

Promise, Leon? I would hate for you to break my poor heart.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/25/15


Well first Hagee teaches that the rapture occurs first on Sept 23, and THEN Jesus return on the 27-28th. We see the Sept 23 did not happen. For Jesus to return on the 27-28th would mean the total of the 7 year Great tribulation would be complete. This is not so. Certainly we have witnesses earthquakes, drought etc, but is this what is described in Matthew and Revelation?
Hagee says the 27-28 is the Beginning of the 7 years, however no scripture I know places Jesus return at the beginning of the 7 year tribulation. Hagee sold a lot of books, and will spend the rest of his life now being known as the false prophet he is. I'm sure his next book will say OK it will be 2033......the NEXT Blood moon. AGAIN, a very dangerous teaching.
---kathr4453 on 9/25/15


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So, I will no longer acknowledge Cluny & other condescending religious folk on these blogs.---Leon on 9/25/15

Promises, promises, promise
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/25/15


Karen said, "You said: Sooooo. Cluny and Monk are the same person."

Not hardly. Cluny is Orthodox Christian. I am Eastern Catholic--Melkite, to be exact. I will admit that Strongaxe and Cluny are good friends, but there are three different persons.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/25/15


///Leon, Cluny & [I] disagree on most things, but I try not to disrespect him as an individual...you show the character...we are warned about in 2 Corinthians 11:12-15. [?] The Moderators...should bar... you from this forum & delete all your posts. [?]
---Rob on 9/24/15///

Gee Rob! What a scathing rebuke. Sorry you feel like that. :)

While reading your post, I wondered how John the Baptist would've faired on these blogs by calling some here a brood of vipers? Jesus didn't speak to everybody, but only to those who had an ear to hear. So, I will no longer acknowledge Cluny & other condescending religious folk on these blogs. No doubt, the personal attacks towards me will continue. It's the nature of the beast.
---Leon on 9/25/15


///Sooooo. Cluny and Monk [and StrongAxe] are the same person.---KarenD on 9/24/15///


:)

---Leon on 9/25/15


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Leon said, " Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance Monk. You would have the audacity to think "the unworthy Monkey" has the power to enlighten me with great swelling words & shallow insults? Christian charity (love) indeed! You deceive yourself. Repent!!! "

Okay Leon, I am tired of being insulted by you for everything I write. But I will allow you to vent. I might just ignore you from now on.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/25/15


Leon said, " Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance Monk. You would have the audacity to think "the unworthy Monkey" has the power to enlighten me with great swelling words & shallow insults? Christian charity (love) indeed! You deceive yourself. Repent!!! "

Okay Leon, I am tired of being insulted by you for everything I write. But I will allow you to vent. I might just ignore you from now on. Those that have stopped using their meds should be pitied, instead of argued with.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/25/15


\\Is that really the best you can do in a feeble (passive aggressive) attempt to discredit me Monk?\\

Leon, your own words discredit you.

Karen, I've said several times that Monk Brendan and I are two separate people, and neither us of are the same as StrongAxe.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/25/15


Leon, Cluny and myself disagree on most things, but I try not to disrespect him as an individual.

Leon, you show the character of those we are warned about in 2 Corinthians 11:12-15. The Moderators on this site should bar and block you from this forum and delete all your posts.
---Rob on 9/24/15


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Your arrogance is only exceeded by your ignorance Monk. You would have the audacity to think "the unworthy Monkey" has the power to enlighten me with great swelling words & shallow insults? Christian charity (love) indeed! You deceive yourself. Repent!!!
---Leon on 9/24/15


KarenD:

You said: Sooooo. Cluny and Monk are the same person.

That is incorrect. I have personally known both of them since 2001. They are two different people. You could also tell that from the different style of writing they use (and no, I am not either one of them either).


Leon:

I enjoy your posts on other blogs when your discussions are actually on-topic. I just take exception to inappropriate insults.
---StrongAxe on 9/24/15


Leon said, " Proper huh? Is that really the best you can do in a feeble (passive aggressive) attempt to discredit me Monk? Pleeeeeze!!! You're right, definitely "unworthy"."

I can say a lot more, without swearing! But I will not. I was trying, in Christian charity, to enlighten you, and help you attain to a better life, instead of living on the public dole and playing video games. Black is not a disease, and neither is laziness.

God loves you!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/24/15


Sooooo. Cluny and Monk are the same person.
---KarenD on 9/24/15


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Besides when you're getting your Depends changed, don't they have other activities at the home to peek your interest?
---Leon on 9/23/15

I have purposely chosen not to correspond with you in these blogs but I will break that decision this one time.

Why are you continuing to insult a brother in Christ?

Even if the gentleman chooses to wear protective undergarments, why do you need to flaunt that knowledge or even to highlight it?

Do you find this discourse humorous? Do you insult other elderly people, such as your own relatives?

Please grow up and show respect for older Believers in Christ.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/24/15


Proper huh? Is that really the best you can do in a feeble (passive aggressive) attempt to discredit me Monk? Pleeeeeze!!! You're right, definitely "unworthy".
---Leon on 9/24/15


Leon:

You said: Cluny: Do you feel obligated to respond to 99.99% of the CN blogs? Besides when you're getting your Depends changed, don't they have other activities at the home to peek your interest? You're like a game show contestant, such a Johnny on the spot with the blogs! :D

Do you feel obligated to respond to 99.99% of messages posted to you on the CN blogs with personal insults? (That's a rhetorical question, showing how the above sounds).

Cluny already said he doesn't wear Depends (something nobody should ever need to do in a public forum that isn't about medical issues). Your comment is again, 0% relevant content, and 100% personal insult. This is conduct unbecoming any blogs, let alone Christian ones.
---StrongAxe on 9/24/15


Leon, the word peek that you are using is a homonym. Peek is to sneak a quick look at something. Peak is the top of a mountain. PIQUE is to gain the attention of someone. They all sound the same, but they all have different meanings. What you have said is: "...when you're getting your Depends changed, don't they have other activities at the home to peek (sneak a quick look) your interest?"

Doesn't make sense. If you use proper English and grammar the world around you will flow a bit easier.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/24/15


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Cluny: Do you feel obligated to respond to 99.99% of the CN blogs? Besides when you're getting your Depends changed, don't they have other activities at the home to peek your interest? You're like a game show contestant, such a Johnny on the spot with the blogs! :D
---Leon on 9/23/15


"What are your thoughts?" What immediately comes to mind is, how would they know? And what is that "knowledge" based own.
---josef on 9/23/15


I've been hearing Sept. 13, 23, 24, and/or 26. So many people keep setting dates, and getting it wrong, that they cast the whole idea of prophetic interpretation into disrepute - so that when the day REALLY happens, most people will be fed up with "the boy who cried 'wolf'" that they will ignore the warnings and be caught totally unprepared.
---StrongAxe on 9/24/15


2 Tim. 2 14-19.
---Scott1 on 9/24/15


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I have no trust in any of these get rich on the back of the poor people. They steal from the poor and keep it.

I pray that their calls will turn people from their false teachings.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/24/15


I think you need to stop watching TBN. How much. Money have you sent them?
---KarenD on 9/24/15


Wrong.

If not even the Son knows the day and hour, how do televangelists?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/23/15


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