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Do Most Follow False Gospels

As an individual, do you believe the majority of people in the world have turned away from Sound Bible Doctrine, and turned to the fables, religions, and traditions of men?

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But Samuel, I DON'T "serve them" with the worship of LATREIA, any more that you LATREIA the flag when you stand at attention and place your hand over your heart.

\\1. Thou shalt have NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.\\

I can't speak for others, but the only God the Orthodox have is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/25/16


//Samuel, why is this not THREE commandments, i/o just two in the Protestant numbering?---Cluny

Excellent point

What about not bowing to these idols? No other god, making one or bowing to one


1. Thou shalt have NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.

2. Thou shalt not MAKE UNTO THEE ANY GRAVEN IMAGE, OR ANY LIKENESS OF ANYTHING THAT IS in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

3. Thou shalt not BOW DOWN thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/24/16


When the Bible speaks about false teachers, it is not an ancient problem. The Bible is accurate in its teaching.
Jesus was sinless, Satan exists as a real being, God is omnipotent and omniscient. Salvation is by grace alone.
Many churches don't teach these truths. This group is leading, or maybe misleading, the doctrinal instruction of millions.
The Galatians were being deceived by those teaching another gospel'(Gal 1:6).
False teachers look like the apostles of Christ and ministers of righteousness (2 Cor 11:13-15).
If it's true that appearances can be deceiving then who do we trust? Even more important, what do we believe?
We must go back to studying the source. Learn what the Bible really says.
---michael_e on 8/24/16


\\Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, \\

Samuel, why is this not THREE commandments, i/o just two in the Protestant numbering?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/16


//My Complaint Nicole is that the RCC traditions don't come from the Jews or the Bible.//

Protestant traditions, especially such things as revivals, altar calls, and invitation hymns, don't come from Jews or the Bible, either.

As far as the "rapture"--I assume you mean the Pre-trib rapture--Protestants didn't believe it either until 1830.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/16




//My Complaint Nicole is that the RCC traditions don't come from the Jews or the Bible.//

My complaint is that the Moderators refuse to post my response to you? Are you a Moderator yourself?

//That some of them contradict the Bible.
Exodus 20:3-11
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything//

It's covered. The RCC doesn't disobey but enforces the 1st Commandment. (1 and 2 for you all since you broke it up)

//Look up dispensationalism. It is a false theology.---Samuelbb7 on 8/21/16

Catholics don't believe in the Rapture. That's your baby not ours.

Look up Five Myths About the Rapture by Carl E. Olson
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/22/16


My Complaint Nicole is that the RCC traditions don't come from the Jews or the Bible.

That some of them contradict the Bible.

Exodus 20:3-11
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Look up dispensationalism. It is a false theology.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/21/16


Rob,"do you believe the majority of people in the world have turned away from Sound Bible Doctrine"
The question assumes most have been given, taught and or understood sound Biblical doctrine. When looking at the very many denominations and their doctrine(s), can one say with certainty that most understand in order to turn from such?
---Chria9396 on 8/19/16


The Bible is for us, but not every verse is about us. All scripture is profitable, but not every passage is for our participation.
Following Jesus around the Holy Land will not get you a step closer to salvation since no one understood the preaching of the cross throughout his earthly ministry (Luke 18:33-34).
The gospel that saves is that Christ accomplished everything needed to save you from sin and death when he died on the cross for sins. By trusting his death and resurrection for your salvation and adding no other works or church traditions you are sealed with the Holy Ghost (Eph 1:13, Rom 4:5). This no works is necessary for all who make Gods grace powerless to save by adding work to Christs finished work
---michael_e on 8/17/16


You can't even answer questions when directed to you.

//What authority do you have to proclaim doctrines wrong?-Me

//Compare your traditions with the Bible, without right division, you will never understand.//- You

Again, since the RCC's Traditions comes from the Jewish Traditions and all BASED from the Bible, I don't understand your complaint.

Except that we follow Jesus and not our OWN designs as you have.

Quit looking for a Church at fits your worship style, and serve Jesus as HE instructs you do serve Him.

//Can't someone disagree with you as you have with other doctrines?-Me

Disagree all you want.---michael_e

I have and will continue to do so until you start to AGREE WITH JESUS.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/15/16




Yes I believe that many people have turned from the truth. Because Jesus calls us to take up our Cross and follow Him.

People don't want to die on the cross.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/14/16


//What authority do you have to proclaim doctrines wrong?//
Compare your traditions with the Bible, without right division, you will never understand.
//Can't someone disagree with you as you have with other doctrines?//
Disagree all you want.
---michael_e on 8/14/16


Michael E, you wrote:
//Many errors and wrong doctrines exist by people who think they are right. They all come from a failure to rightly divide the word of truth.//

Question:

What authority do you have to proclaim doctrines wrong?

Can't someone disagree with you as you have with other doctrines?
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/13/16


Many errors and wrong doctrines exist by people who think they are right. They all come from a failure to rightly divide the word of truth.
Why do people believe wrong doctrine? The same reasons people get lost. They do not see the big picture, and it is hard to admit you dont know where you are going.

When youre lost, buy a map and take some time to study it. When you are confused about Gods will, and need some answers, take some time studying it rightly divided.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15
---michael_e on 8/10/16


It was her unwavering faith in those charlatan's that caused her death.

Groups have studied those after their healing services and found fraud and people dying like my sister.

Some collected money to build orphanges then kept it. I forget which one who just asked for millions so he could have a second jet.

I am glad that GOD healed you. He can do that. But these lying, stealing false leaders are headed for hell.

Read Jude.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/10/16


Samuelbb7 I didn't send any money God's miracles aren't for sale and that is where people make their mistakes. Just because a person sends money and dies it doesn't mean there is something wrong with the Preacher,it is the person going the wrong way to receive from God. All you need is unwavering faith in God,a Preacher has no power what goes on in a Ministry comes only from God. I'm so sorry for your loss,she had the wrong teaching sometime in her life. That is where Wisdom, must be used. It is so sad when that happens,it strains a persons faith.
---Darlene_1 on 8/9/16


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Darlene. My Sister sent hundreds of dollars to Roberts. He sent her stuff and said she was healed.

She died of a curable cancer because she didn't seek treatment in time.

She sent money to many of these fake healers.

They take from the poor and keep it. They don't help the millions they could help so they can live in luxury.

They don't care for the poor. Just like the false professors in Matthew 25.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/9/16


michael e: "False teachers teach you can name and claim your promise from God by inserting your name into all Gods promises in the Bible."

The Bible says:

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

The Bible is indeed full of promises for US. But, there are typically conditions that must be met - faith, necessity, and obedience.

For example:

Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally...

But only on the condition of faith without doubt.




---Jerry6593 on 8/9/16


False teachers teach you can name and claim your promise from God by inserting your name into all Gods promises in the Bible.
They think every page in the Bible is speaking to them, and they want to claim every promise of the book as theirs. Not so.
The truth is not every promise in the book is yours. If that were true, all the promises of condemnation in the Bible yours, too.
Death has come up into little orphan Annies windows does not have the same fuzzy feeling as the promises of blessing (promise corrupted from Jer 9:21).
---michael_e on 7/18/16


Monk Brendan don't judge those preachers God doesn't allow it.I wasn't one who knew about Swaggart. I do know about Oral Roberts. I was healed of low Thyroid by watching his tent meeting and laying my hand on the TV as a point of contact,not with him,but with God and agreed I would be healed when he prayed for healing for the Television audience. My faith was in God,threw Thyroid pills away and my Thyroid has been normal ever since.Dad was in the hospital and was to have a infected toe cut off I called the Oral Roberts prayer tower and the Prayer group prayed and from the time of the X-Ray to the time the doctor came to see him before the surgery that toe was healed. The doctor himself said it was a miracle,our church all friends praying too.
---Darlene_1 on 7/18/16


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//It's better than following Jim and Tammy Bakker, or Jimmy Swaggart, or even Oral Roberts.//
Not near as good as
1 Cor 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
2 Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
---michael_e on 7/16/16


Satan has had over two thousand years to infiltrate and divide christiandom up into over 60,000 different worldly denominations. Every worldly denomination teaches the gospel THEIR way. Every denomination has its own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. Living a christian lifestyle has become complex. Whatever happened to "one mind?" Whatever happened to simply obey the ultimate commandment of LOVE (as in the verb form)?

A newly born christian would definitely be confused about what church to belong to.
---Steveng on 7/16/16


Michael E. said, "Monk do you actually think following Christ's earthly ministry gets you closer to salvation??"

It's better than following Jim and Tammy Bakker, or Jimmy Swaggart, or even Oral Roberts.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/16/16


"Following Jesus in his earthly ministry journeys won't get you closer to salvation, since no one understood the preaching of the cross in his earthly ministry (Luke 18:33-34)."
Monk do you actually think following Christ's earthly ministry gets you closer to salvation??
---michael_e on 7/15/16


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Michael E. said, "Following Jesus in his earthly ministry journeys won't get you closer to salvation, since no one understood the preaching of the cross in his earthly ministry (Luke 18:33-34)."

Michael, does it hurt your head to write such blather? The preaching of the Cross is a stumbling block to the Jews, and foolishness for the Gentiles.

While Jesus did say, "take up your cross and follow me," at that time he was using "cross" as an instrument of torture, not as a salvific tool.

It wasn't until after Jesus died on the Cross and rose again that the Cross became important.
---Monk_Brendan on 7/15/16


The saving gospel isn't God loves you and is driving your life car. It isn't anyone needs to beg for forgiveness, since God already offers forgiveness through Christs death. (Eph 4:32, Col 2:13). Receiving Jesus like a package isn't like trusting his finished work on the cross to deliver you.
Following Jesus in his earthly ministry journeys won't get you closer to salvation, since no one understood the preaching of the cross in his earthly ministry (Luke 18:33-34).
The saving gospel is Christ accomplished everything needed when he died on the cross for sins. The cross took your sin problem out of the way already, and through his resurrection you can have righteousness on Christs behalf through faith (2 Cor 5:21, Rom 4:24-25, Rom 5:1).
---michael_e on 7/15/16


Definitely, I believe that people do not follow sound Bible doctrine. Definitely, I believe that people are following other teachings. Definitely, I believe that pastors themselves, and the church itself goes along with other teachings.
---mike4879 on 7/13/16


It's offensive to God to attempt to offer our own righteousness before him. No man glories in his presence (1 Cor 1:29-30).
The gospel Paul preached is Christ died for ours sins and rose again for our righteous standing (Rom 4:24-25). Our righteousness works never enter the picture. Christ is our righteousness.
If your salvation testimony includes declaring what you did after Christ did his part, you are declaring your own righteousness, and you do not understand the gospel of Christ. Trust Christ to be all you need for salvation, forgiveness, sanctification, your redemption, and your righteousness.
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
---michael_e on 7/13/16


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Rod of course,

Most read what their leaders/ pastors tell them... instead of searching the bible to see if it is so.

I was reminded by a fellow sister in Christ 33 years ago to go back and re-read the bible when I said in response to her criticising my clothing, I said "...I am meant to render my heart not my garment..." she replied " you need to go back and re-read that scripture." and I was wrong... So nowadays I read it before I post it.... good practice me thinks or I shut up... but I am prone to mistakes who isn't.... biblically I relish the thought of being corrected it means someone is studied up and praise the Lord for them.
---Carla on 10/7/15


Samuel BB said, "Monk Bredan you ignored the two scriptures I posted.
Matthew 15:9 Isiah 8:20"


Isaiah 8:20 says "Consult Gods instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn."

Matt 15:9 says, "They worship me in vain: their teachings are merely human rules."

I've read them and considered them. I assume that you are calling me "lost" and a liar, and probably consider me totally depraved and bound for hell. You can think that, if you wish. All I can say back to you is "May God bless you!"

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/3/15


\\I can add all the times Jesus answered the devil with It is written.\\

And sometimes Jesus quoted what was written, but continued with, "But **I** say unto you," either expanding what was "written" or even countermanding it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/3/15


Thank you Trav good points.

Monk Bredan you ignored the two scriptures I posted.
Matthew 15:9 Isiah 8:20

I can add all the times Jesus answered the devil with It is written. Any Bible search engine can show those. 2 timothy 3:15-17.

Read how prophets were to be judged. By the scriptures and law of GOD.

aGAPE
---Samuelbb7 on 10/1/15


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Trav said, "But Sola Scriptora is the truth that the Bible teaches.
---Monk_Brendan on 9/30/15

False/ not my words.
But, then you make many theological statements with no scriptural witnesses.
Scripture wasn't created by the orthodox. GOD did not give them one word to add to Scripture. While they may have helped assemble an previously assembled collection of writings and Israels history. History shows they subvert Israels story line. Corrupting Israels message to something unrecognizable, mystical and mythical. Something seeking "protestant" sheep found and find there is no excuse for in scripture.
Thank and praise GOD for the early exodus away from this ortho/catholic wide way.
---Trav on 10/1/15


The law of liberty MUST be how we govern our own behavior (it is a 'MANDATE', not a LAW like the old imperfect one of 10 commands and "sin").


The only way that LIBERTY can be LAW is that....

IT IS NOT AN OPTION.

If you want to escape the "man of lawlessness"/son of perdition, you must make the law of LIBERTY your character/lifestyle instead of the TRINITY of man and it's rules.
---faithforfaith on 9/30/15


Trav said, "But Sola Scriptora is the truth that the Bible teaches."

Where does the Bible teach that?

"Otherwise Jesus would have agreed with the Pharisees thoughts that they could set up traditions that over ruled the Bible as the final authority just as men have sought to so."

But the early Church in the 1st-3rd centuries did not have the Bible as we know it. It wasn't until 331 A.D. that a Bible--both Old and New Testaments was made. But the 1st Ecumenical Council defined what the canon of the NT should be.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/30/15


Good history point about the bull.

But Sola Scriptora is the truth that the Bible teaches. Otherwise Jesus would have agreed with the Pharisees thoughts that they could set up traditions that over ruled the Bible as the final authority just as men have sought to so.

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Jesus answered the devil with it is written. We follow his example.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 9/29/15


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Amen to the statement that originally we were called Christians. This was actually meant as an insult.

It is amazing to me how Christians claim to belong to the true church and then bash each other over the head with "their" doctrines.

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

He could have called Satan a liar, thief, murderer, slanderer, and so on but he took the high road instead. We should learn to do the same.
---trey on 9/29/15


trav, it was the Orthodox Church that God used to determine what would be in the NT to start with.

She was functioning in all her fulness before ONE WORD of the NT was ever written.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/15


Trav said, "Yes. Orthodox being the first deviants of course leading and driving the way to all other denom's of men."

Not so! At one time all of Christianity was Orthodox--just called Christian. The Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church were just one Church. It wasn't until 1054 that a Papal Legate put a Bull of Excommunication on the altar at Hagia Sophia (Holy Wisdom) in Constantinople. Then it got ugly.

It wasn't until the Protestant Reformation that all of the Man-made traditions started, such as Sola Scriptura.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/29/15


Cluny with all respect to you but you too could believe a lie and be damned. You of course think you aren't but what if you are wrong how do you know for sure,it isn't as cut and dried as you seem to think. The test of all things is does it line up with the Word of God,not the Denomination of man. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 9/29/15


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As an individual, do you believe the majority of people in the world have turned away from Sound Bible Doctrine, and turned to the fables, religions, and traditions of men?
---Rob on 9/25/15

Yes. Orthodox being the first deviants of course leading and driving the way to all other denom's of men.
There is only one Truth. One Gospel. The scriptures are full of scriptures witnessing scriptures confirming what is truth. When all denom/doctrines avoid these scriptures they mark their-selves by sign.
Who was the New Covenant too? The Old?
Who did Christ say he came for?
Who did he say would follow?
Where did GOD say these Sheep were?
"The Sheep", have never been mentioned or discussed on this site.
---Trav on 9/28/15


Yes. That includes everyone who is not Orthodox.
---Cluny on 9/26/15

Jesus said that HE is the way the truth and the life.

So unless you are Jesus, you do NOT have the way.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/28/15


\\cluny: Are you saying that the Bible lies? That would explain a lot.


---jerry6593 on 9/28/15
\\

No, but you lie. I've caught you in lies about me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/28/15


Faith for Faith said, "666 is the TRINITY OF MAN (the church of man)....

No, 666 is the number of A man--i.e. the Anti-Christ. (Rev 13:18)

Because we are not living the PERFECT LAW ... God considers us to be "LAWLESS ONES".

How do you arrive at that conclusion? We are not under the Law at all, but under Grace.

Please try to understand. Rom 6:14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/27/15


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cluny: Are you saying that the Bible lies? That would explain a lot.


---jerry6593 on 9/28/15


\\God looks at the heart not the church you belong to. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 9/26/15\\

The Bible also says you can believe a lie and be damned.

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/15



Yes. That includes everyone who claims to be Orthodox.


---jerry6593 on 9/27/15


Rob, we have many scriptures that will verify this to be so. 2 Timothy 3 for starters. We are living in the days of great Apostacy. And that alone is the sign of the End times, not the sun moon and stars.
---kathr4453 on 9/27/15


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Cluny said, " Yes. That includes everyone who is not Orthodox."

Meow? Cluny, you should know that Catholics are Christians too. I am not talking about the go-to-church-Christmas-and-Easter Catholics. I am talking about the solid, Catholics--of any of the flavors, be it Roman or Melkite or whatever who go to church every time they can, and who love Jesus. You know the type--Me!

Oooops

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/26/15


Yes, moreso now than ever.

The "BIBLE" (word not in scripture) is MAN'S way of perceiving the Creator.


666 is the TRINITY OF MAN (the church of man). Revelation 13:18 says that 666 is the number of a "MAN" (yes, the man of lawlessness).

Because we are not living the PERFECT LAW (instead we live the old IMPERFECT law about sin/commands), God considers us to be "LAWLESS ONES".

2 Thess. 2:6 says the "man of lawlessness" is also the "son of perdition"(so 666 is the trinity of man, the "man of lawlessness" and also the "son of" (result/offspring of) perdition (the church of man is borne from 2,000 years of perditious teachings).
---faithforfaith on 9/26/15


When someone thinks their's is the only religion they will be very surprised when they get to heaven and see all those people who weren't their denomination in heaven too. God looks at the heart not the church you belong to. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 9/26/15


Without a doubt
By trusting his death and resurrection for your salvation (Paul's gospel) and adding no other works or church traditions you are sealed with the Holy Ghost (Eph 1:13 , Rom 4:5 ). This no works disclaimer is necessary for all those who would make Gods grace powerless to save by adding any necessary work to Christs finished work (water baptism, altar calls, public prayers and confessions, leaving Christ hanging on the cross etc.)
---michael_e on 9/26/15


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Yes. That includes everyone who is not Orthodox.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/15


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