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Explain Hebrews 4:12-13

I ask that everyone will be honest in answering the questions I have.

Are there things in Scripture you don't like and wish weren't written, Hebrews 4:12-13?

If so, what do you do with them?

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 ---Rob on 9/26/15
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True Rob that is what all churches should do. We need to understand all scripture. We should put scripture above all man made rules.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/25/15


Darlene, if people are honest, we all have things that are written in Scripture we don't like and wish weren't written.

If noticed, I also asked what people do with them.

I say "OUCH" and accept what is written.

Some people will reject or delete what they don't like.

At my place of Worship, we go through Scripture verse by verse. Many times our Pastor while studying and preparing the sermon, he received his spanking. Now the congregation going to receive theirs.

There are some places that avoid portion of Scripture, because some people only want have their ears tickled. If all scripture is used, people may get mad and leave!
---Rob on 10/24/15


Rob no matter what the verse in the Bible says I accept it and pattern my life according to the Word of God. I don't ever wish that a verse of the Bible wasn't there,if you do perhaps it's because that verse touches your deepest heart and speaks directly to you. I am a lifetime student of God's Word always eager to learn more to help me to live a life pleasing to God. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/24/15


Trav said, "Pearls...natures "living" gemstone."

Pearls are not alive. They are made by living creatures, but when thee oyster is opened, it dies, and the pearl--which was really only a bit of shell or sand that got caught in the oyster to begin with has been coated by layer after layer of calcium carbonate. (Sorry, I used to be a jeweler.)

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/7/15


Hello all, my name is Daniel. Upon reading Hebrews 4:12 & 13, I am encouraged at it's meaning.
Because the Word of God is sharper than any double edged sword, it has the ability to convict us of sin by revealing to us God's truth. Nothing is hidden from God. Our secret sins, hidden in darkness, do not escape the attention of God and by His Word He brings everything into the light and exposes it by the truth of His Word.
Be blessed one and all.
---danie5458 on 10/7/15




Trav:
You said: GOD has.

How so?

...who take their own opinions (and conclusions reached by combining several different passages is still an opinion),...
---StrongAxe on 10/6/15

MB said GOD bless you. I said he has. Health, family, protection from dangers, a full cup.
I've never claimed a title of teacher. There is only one.
I only point...to witness upon witness, precept upon precept. They were pointed out to me and freed me from all men.
Having tasted priceless freedom I point for "Sheep" who value truth more than anything else on this earth. A Priceless Pearl...I sold all and bought the field I found mine in. Pearls...natures "living" gemstone.
---Trav on 10/6/15


Trav:

You quoted: Jer_3:8 I ...backsliding Israel committed adultery ...

Monk_Brendan said: You accuse me of backsliding! Well, thank you and may God bless you!

You said: GOD has.

How so? This refers to a nation, not an individual, let alone Monk_Brendan here. Please don't put words into God's mouth. That is generally a very unwise idea. There are so many teachers (mostly false ones) who take their own opinions (and conclusions reached by combining several different passages is still an opinion), and claim divine authority by claiming that those opinions are, in fact, the word of God. This is, at best, extreme presumption, and, at worst, blasphemy. God typically does not react well to these.
---StrongAxe on 10/6/15


Trav quoted,
Jer_3:8 I ...backsliding Israel committed adultery ...

You accuse me of backsliding! Well, thank you and may God bless you!
---Monk_Brendan on 10/4/15

GOD has. My cup overflows.

But, we see you were shocked by what you've never seen before or been told by your "un-holy earthly fathers.
I remember the feeling and feeling anger at these false, uncalled imposters. But, then they are not totally to blame coming from a long universal line of the same.
Jer_23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people, Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
---Trav on 10/5/15


Trav quoted, "Jer_3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD, for I am married unto you:...
Jer_3:8 I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also."


You accuse me of backsliding! Well, thank you and may God bless you!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/4/15


Trav said, ...Judah the remaining undivorced representative in the Parable."
What extra-biblical book did you get that particular bit of information from.
---Monk_Brendan on 9/30/15

In the "extra-biblical" you've never read/seen. I was no different. GOD was married. Divorced, and to "remarry". Something "no" denom, recognizes or teaches, being scary and anti-doctrine/denom of men.

Jer_3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD, for I am married unto you:...
Jer_3:8 I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
---Trav on 10/2/15




Good question Rob. Absolutely, 2 Tim Ch. 2 comes to mind since we are going through it at church. I have to surrender my will and emotions to obey God's will and steadiness because though it seems right to me at a moment in time. It is not the best for me in the long term. Hebrews 12:11
---Scott1 on 10/1/15


Trav:

Where did you get this? This story is NOT a parable Jesus taught, but an event from his life the gospel writers told.

And why he went to the North House Lost Sheep. Who produce to this day.

What evidence do you have of the northern tribes today?

You are not asking Christ to explain his own work.

When did he explain this? This is NOT the parable of the fig tree. This is a totally different story, and here, the fig tree it NOT barren because it can't produce, but because it is not the season for figs. There is no mention that this fig is barren for any other reason.

You prefer to be in confusion? Angry?

Who would ever prefer to be in confusion? And who said I was angry?
---StrongAxe on 9/30/15


Trav said, "Israel is the fig tree in O.T., Judah the remaining undivorced representative in the Parable."

What extra-biblical book did you get that particular bit of information from. You always scold me when I quote something from another source.

Remember Matt 7:12. "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/30/15


Trav:

You said: his tree is representative of Judah.

That is the parable of the fig tree. I am not talking about that. I am talking about the fig tree that Jesus approached because he was hungry.
---StrongAxe on 9/30/15

Same answer. Judah is representative of this tree. Barren.
And why he went to the North House Lost Sheep. Who produce to this day.
You're doing what I have done. Applying logic to a centuries old event. Looking for flaws in scripture and Christ. You are not asking Christ to explain his own work. You prefer to be in confusion? Angry?
Mar_4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: awhen they were "ALONE", he expounded all things to his disciples.
---Trav on 9/30/15


Trav:

You said: his tree is representative of Judah. It showed no promise even of bearing. The fig trees there bear twice a year. A prefruit then a harvest fruit.

That is the parable of the fig tree. I am not talking about that. I am talking about the fig tree that Jesus approached because he was hungry.
---StrongAxe on 9/30/15


StrongAxe, maybe this will help you understand what truly happened with Adam and Eve:

1Tim 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. (KJV)
and
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her, and he did eat. (KJV)

Notice: Adam was not deceived and he was with Eve. He should have stopped her, but chose to be disobedient.

Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. (KJV)
---trey on 9/29/15


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Why was it not yet the season for figs?
---StrongAxe on 9/29/15


This tree is representative of Judah. It showed no promise even of bearing. The fig trees there bear twice a year. A prefruit then a harvest fruit.
A pre fruit that should have been present wasn't.
If you plant an tomato plant you expect tomatoes. If it grows big and tall but, totally barren and no tomatoes what good is it? You'll pluck it up by its roots yourself.
Luk_13:7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down, why cumbereth it the ground?
---Trav on 9/29/15


Trav:

You wrote: It did not bear, and perform like it was created to bear.
Israel is the fig tree in O.T., Judah the remaining undivorced representative in the Parable.

Fig trees bear twice a year. The cursed one didn't even bear the prefruit. It was a was useless.


Mark 11:13
And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for the time of figs was not yet.

Why was it not yet the season for figs? Because Jesus designed the fig to bear in certain seasons, and this wasn't one of them, i.e. the fig was behaving just as he designed it, yet he blamed it for not doing what he designed it to do.
---StrongAxe on 9/29/15


Yet he created the fig in the first place, so it was only doing what he initially created it to do,...
---StrongAxe on 9/28/15

It did not bear, and perform like it was created to bear.
Israel is the fig tree in O.T., Judah the remaining undivorced representative in the Parable.

Fig trees bear twice a year. The cursed one didn't even bear the prefruit. It was a was useless.
Luk_13:6-7 He spake also this parable, A certain man had a fig tree planted
Hos_9:10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness, I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame, and their abominations were according as they loved.
---Trav on 9/29/15


I have problems with the Fall. God told Adam and Eve one thing. The serpent told them something else. They were expected to know it was a lie, but how so? They did not have the knowledge of good and evil yet. They had never heard a lie before, so how were they supposed to know it was a lie? Remember how you reacted as a child the first time you ever heard a lie?

I also have a problem with the fig tree. Jesus wanted figs, and the tree didn't have any because it was not yet the season for figs. He cursed it and it died. Yet he created the fig in the first place, so it was only doing what he initially created it to do, yet he got angry at it for something that he designed it to do, and cursed it to death.
---StrongAxe on 9/28/15


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///The meaning to me is that the Word is exact, and clear, and is to be understood with no yawns or shrugs.
---Geraldine on 9/26/15///

I agree Geraldine! Indeed, clearly understood by the leading of God, the Holy Spirit. Apart for the guidance of God there is no real understanding, only contention (discord)...
---Leon on 9/28/15


Hebrews 4:12-13 is not speaking of the written word. Hebrews 4:12-13 is speaking of Christ the Logos, the Word of God. My bible that sets on my desk is not a discerner of the thoughts and intents of my heart, but Christ is.

Remember John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

This is the same Greek word logos.
---trey on 9/28/15


\\Who died & made anyone here (on CN blogs) God? Really!!! :)
---Leon on 9/27/15\\

What a question, Leon.

Did you think that YOU were?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/27/15


Who died & made anyone here (on CN blogs) God? Really!!! :)
---Leon on 9/27/15


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The Word of God is living and powerful and stronger than a two edge sword .......

I'm not sure how the above verse is something we consider something we wish were not written. Totally glad it is, as every human will be judged by God according to truth. It's what HE SEES. God knows the heart of man.
---kathr4453 on 9/27/15


"Are there things in Scripture you don't like...?" Yes every scripture that speaks of destroying cities and killing the all inhabitants for seeming no other reason than that the people may have corrupted the nation of israel in their worship and or beliefs, and the fact that the Father wanted them to possess their land. To me that seems petty, prejudicial, hateful, and unnecessary. Why not just give Israel an unoccupied land, cause that land to flourish, and protect it. I understand that there were people on earth that were simply evil, however the same applies to this day. I see no evidence of those nations having been granted an understanding of who He was, nor what He expected of them, why destroy them?
---joseph on 9/27/15


There is a site on the web called Betty Bowers handy Bible interpretation guide. I can't give you the web address, obviously, but if you do a web search, you should be able to find it. LOL

However, for a straight answer, The Bible is supposed to make us uncomfortable. If it didn't, it would not be able to cause us to change our lives!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 9/26/15


\\The meaning to me is that the Word is exact, and clear, and is to be understood with no yawns or shrugs.\\

Except when Jesus said, "This is My Body," He really meant, "This is NOT My Body."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/26/15


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The meaning to me is that the Word is exact, and clear, and is to be understood with no yawns or shrugs.
---Geraldine on 9/26/15


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