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Who Wrote The New Testament

Who wrote the Bible, especially the New Testament?

Hint: It was not Matthew, Mark, Luke, John nor Paul

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan

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Luke said, "I am praying for you, so please pray for me also."

I will continue to pray.

the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/5/15


Monk, I speaking concerning Romans 16:22. Tertius was speaking concerning the epistle that Paul was talking about when He introduced those who were with him. As we know all the books of the Bible are inspired by the Holy Spirit, no matter who wrote them.

When I said the book of Paul I meant His writings, His Epistles. One can look at the Bibles as 66 books also. I am praying for you, so please pray for me also.
---Luke on 11/5/15


Trey said, "Let me help you out:"

Thanks, Trey. However, I was showing Luke that what he had said made no sense. There is no BOOK of Paul. He wrote most of the letters in the New Testament.

Also, he was saying that there is something about Paul telling someone to write down what he said, and I know that there is not.

But again, Trey, thank you.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/4/15


Monk,

Let me help you out:

Colosians 4:18 The salutation by the hand of me Paul. Remember my bonds. Grace be with you. Amen. (KJV)

2Thessalonians 3:17 The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write. (KJV)

Romans 16:22 I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord. (KJV)

It was all inspired by God, but several men penned the words.
---trey on 11/3/15


Luke said, "Monk, I believe that in book of Paul, Paul told someone to write what he was saying. For the life of me I do not remember the passage. I will have to check to make sure I am right. I am not denying his books."

Paul? Who is Paul that he wrote a gospel? Paul wrote several epistles to the various Churches he had founded.

I did look for "write this down," and I found nothing in any of the books Paul wrote.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/3/15




Monk, I believe that in book of Paul, Paul told someone to write what he was saying. For the life of me I do not remember the passage. I will have to check to make sure I am right. I am not denying his books.
No matter who wrote it, for we know it was someone inspired by God.
---Luke on 11/3/15


Micha said, "Notice the "twelve" in v5 and "all" in v7."

Take note also in Acts 1:13-14 and v20-26.

You will find eleven, not twelve, until Matthias was added to their number.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/2/15


Considering 1Co 15:5-8 and the what I have read of Irenaeus, I must conclude that Mark, Luke, James, and Jude were considered apostles.
Since they were considered apostles, then all of the NT was written by apostles.
Notice the "twelve" in v5 and "all" in v7.
1Co 15:5-8 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James, then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
I still believe Luke wrote his gospel and Acts, but evidence suggests even he was considered an apostle.
---micha9344 on 10/30/15


Brendan states, "James was not an apostle. Most is the correct word to use."

"But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother." Gal 1:19

"then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles,." 1 Cor 15:7


James was indeed an apostle that is why "All." is Scripture not most...
---john9346 on 10/29/15


Samuel sir,

You are welcome!
---john9346 on 10/26/15




Thank you John and Strongax. Good point and information.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/26/15


Micha:

1. bk1 ch 23 Irenaeus is addressing DOCTRINES AND PRACTICES OF SIMON, MAGUS, AND MENANDER not the authorship of the Gospels.

2. bk2 ch 20 are arguments to show the unacceptance of THE TWELFTH AEON, FROM THE PARABLES, THE TREACHERY OF JUDAS, AND THE PASSION OF OUR SAVIOUR not the gospels authorship.

3. In bk 3 ch 3 and 11 Irenaeus conveys over and over again the gospels were written by the apostles.

Also Justin's 1st Apology 66 and 67 express clearly no doubt that the apostles wrote the gospels.
---john9346 on 10/25/15


Cluny, I just want to remind you of the following:


"Those who do not have good arguments or verses for their views. Often resort to juvenile remarks, snide comments and personal attacks."
---john on 10/25/15


Cluny:

john9346 wrote: Remember just because someone transcribes for someone doesn't mean the transcriber wrote the material.

You wrote: That's EXACTLY what it means.

This is choking on gnats. While technically, a transcriber does "write" what he transcribes, this information is generally not relevant, unless you are specifically tracking down the chain of custody of a specific document, or tracking down variance in a set of texts over time.

If you ask anyone who wrote the King James Version, they will say the King James's translators in 1611, and not Zondervan in 2015 (who may have actually printed it).
---StrongAxe on 10/22/15


James the Brother of Jesus is probably the one who wrote James. He was head of one of the councils and accepted by the Apostles as a leader.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/21/15


\\Remember just because someone transcribes for someone doesn't mean the transcriber wrote the material.
\\

That's EXACTLY what it means.

Or is English just not your first language, john?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/21/15


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/Simon the Samaritan was that magician of whom Luke, the disciple and follower of the apostles, says, "But there was a certain man, Simon...\-Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Bk1, Ch23.
/for thus Luke, who has mentioned His years, has expressed it: "Now Jesus was, as it were, beginning to be thirty years old,"\-Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Bk2, Ch20.
--It seems Irenaeus believed that Luke received witnesses' statements to write his books, not as a transcriber, but as a reporter who authored his (Luke's) work.
---micha9344 on 10/20/15


Re: the all/most controversy, The writer of James was not an Apostle.

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has stated, "The person to whom this letter is ascribed can scarcely be one of the two members of the Twelve who bore the name James (see Mt 10:23, Mk 3:1718, Lk 6:1415), for he is not identified as an apostle but only as slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ (Jas 1:1). This designation most probably refers to the third New Testament personage named James, a relative of Jesus who is usually called brother of the Lord (see Mt 13:55, Mk 6:3)."

James was not an apostle. Most is the correct word to use.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/19/15


Micha stated, "-Luke was not a transcriber, he was a reporter who wrote about events taken from eyewitnesses and confirmed by readers during that time."

My point is

Just because someone writes a book about someone else doesn't mean that the one who hired the writer didn't write it.

Nothing Luke wrote was independent it was all eyewitnesses and apostles.

The apostles were living when Luke wrote his gospel

So when everything is examine the apostles wrote the NT.

the church fathers justin, ireneus, and tertullian in their writings state to the NT was written by the apostles.
---john9346 on 10/18/15


/and eye-witnesses, verifying what others had written about the life of Christ and the Apostles.\-micha9344 on 10/15/15
/Yet Luke, who wrote the Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles, was not an eyewitness of Jesus himself, but rather compiled a second-hand account of stories witnessed by others.\-StrongAxe on 10/15/15
Yes, he was of the "others that have written."
Don't you think that any Apostles or eyewitnesses would have refuted Luke claims if they were false?
If anyone asked a living eyewitness, wouldn't have they confirmed its accuracy?
Hence my statement:
/the Apostles wrote most of the NT, but verified/confirmed/approved all of the NT.\-micha9344 on 10/13/15
---micha9344 on 10/15/15


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micha9344:

You wrote: We were discussing how the Apostles had a direct involvement in the writings of the NT, New Testament, as writers and eye-witnesses, verifying what others had written about the life of Christ and the Apostles.

Yet Luke, who wrote the Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles, was not an eyewitness of Jesus himself, but rather compiled a second-hand account of stories witnessed by others.
---StrongAxe on 10/15/15


/So, the criterion "If Jesus or the Apostles quoted from it, it's canonical, and if they didn't, it's not canonical" yields both false negatives and false positives.\-StrongAxe on 10/14/15
I think you may have misunderstood or misread.
We were discussing how the Apostles had a direct involvement in the writings of the NT, New Testament, as writers and eye-witnesses, verifying what others had written about the life of Christ and the Apostles.
I don't think I would extrapolate that back to the OT, given the Apostles only knew of it from scripture and not first-hand.
Or maybe I am the one misunderstanding your post.
---micha9344 on 10/15/15


Luk 1:3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
-Luke said he wrote it.
The book is even titled in his name.
This is untrue of transcription, such as Jeremiah, were we see:
Jer 36:4 Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah: and Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the LORD, which he had spoken unto him, upon a roll of a book.
-Luke was not a transcriber, he was a reporter who wrote about events taken from eyewitnesses and confirmed by readers during that time.
---micha9344 on 10/15/15


micha9344:

You said: So, John, to clarify your point, if I understand you correctly, the Apostles wrote most of the NT, but verified/confirmed/approved all of the NT.

This is not entirely correct. While Jesus and the Apostles did quote from most of the Old Testament, they did not quote from Esther, even though both Jews and Christians consider Esther canonical.

Also, Jude quoted authoritatively from 2 Enoch, which neither Jews nor Chrisitans consider canonical. Furthermore, Paul even made occasional quotes from pagan Greek philosophers.

So, the criterion "If Jesus or the Apostles quoted from it, it's canonical, and if they didn't, it's not canonical" yields both false negatives and false positives.
---StrongAxe on 10/14/15


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Micha asked, "So, John, to clarify your point, if I understand you correctly, the Apostles wrote most of the NT, but verified/confirmed/approved all of the NT."

No, the apostles wrote them all my friend.

Example, say I hired you to write a book about me, gave you everything you needed to write about me and present while you wrote it. Did I write or did you write??


Remember just because someone transcribes for someone doesn't mean the transcriber wrote the material.
---john9346 on 10/14/15


I agree with you Micha9344
---Samuelbb7 on 10/13/15


So, John, to clarify your point, if I understand you correctly, the Apostles wrote most of the NT, but verified/confirmed/approved all of the NT.
Is this your summary?
If it is, I agree.
---micha9344 on 10/13/15


Micha said, "Most would be more historically, scripturally, grammatically, and logically accurate."

Most would be accurate my friend if Luke wrote independent of the apostles and eyewitnesses, but this is not so because the apostles and the eyewitnesses were still alive when Luke wrote his gospels and Acts all before 70 AD.

Acts was written between 55 and 63 AD while Paul was still alive.

Also, Mark a disciple of Peter wrote the gospel of Mark. What he wrote came from Peter.


Again, most is only accurate if written independent with no one alive to verify, but this is not the case with Luke and Mark...
---john9346 on 10/12/15


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/If you want to be Scripturally Accurate, Historically Accurate then it is all not most.\-john9346 on 10/11/15
Let's review:
/The Apostles wrote most of the New Testament\-Monk_Brendan on 10/9/15
/Correction, they wrote them all\-john9346 on 10/9/15
/Luke was a historian\-john9346 on 10/11/15
-Did Luke write books in the NT?
-Was Luke an Apostle?
If the answers are "yes" and "no", respectively, the logical conclusion is that the Apostles did not write all of the NT. "Most would be more historically, scripturally, grammatically, and logically accurate.
Now if we're talking about the Holy Spirit...
---micha9344 on 10/12/15


Thank you Samuel for counting. Gospels are the Most important books in the Bible, don't you agree?

//James headed the Jerusalem counsel. Acts 15:13 21:18//

Start in Acts 15:1. V7, Peter stands up and starts talking as all LEADERS do when in charge.
V14 James tells everyone what Peter spoke on.

Galatians 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John,

Cephas, Peter both means Rock. The same word Jesus used in the Gospel Matt 16:18 you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church.

Note how Protestants love to say Peter mean pebble, when Paul uses the word rock instead of pebble when speaking about Simeon/Peter.


You are right, both are Apostolic Churches because only we have VALID PRIESTHOOD.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/12/15


Peter is mentioned 94 times in 90 verses in the four Gospels.

So yes he is a leader. But he reported to others Acts 11 when he went to the gentiles.

James headed the Jerusalem counsel.

Acts 15:13 21:18

Paul does not say he is the head. Where he refers to him as Cephas.

Galatians 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me,...

Two are mentioned as his equal.

In the Early church all the Bishops were equal. One of the reasons for the Great Schism in 1054 was that the Latin rite pushed that their Bishop was above the others.

A doctrine that still divides the Orthodox from the RCC. Both which are apostolic churches.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/11/15


Micha said,
-I don't think Luke was one of The Apostles.
-"Most" sounds more appropriate in context than "all."

If you want to be Scripturally Accurate, Historically Accurate then it is all not most.

Luke was a historian who interviewed the disciples and eyewitnesses of Jesus he wanted the facts clearly stated.
---john9346 on 10/11/15


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John said, "Correction Polycarp, Polycrate, Justin, and Ignatius were reading, quoting, and defending doctrine way before carthage and hippo my friend..."

Polycarp etc. were reading and quoting, but the canon of the Bible was not codified until the first ecumenical council in 325 a.d. Up until that time, one local bishop would say that the Shepherd of Hermas was fully in line with the Gospel, while another one would say that it is heresy.

In 325 a.d. the !st EC, inspired by the Holy Spirit decided what texts were to be in the Bible, and what was not.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/11/15


YES, YES, YES AND AMEN to these words:

The Lord is not ambivalent, indecisive, uncertain, or hesitant. He does not make mistakes.
I am confident He does not speak idly.---Mark_Eaton on 10/9/15

Now please do not ignore me or I will believe you agree with me since you have no answer for me.

Remember when I asked you to please count the number of TIMES Peter is named in the Gospels and Acts?

Plus, how Jesus who is God always named him (Peter) first when calling the Apostles.

So, just on your own statement about God's not using idle talk, you have to believe Peter is First because Jesus MADE HIM FIRST.

Right?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/10/15


/Brendan stated, "The Apostles wrote most of the New Testament."
Correction, they wrote them all 2 Pet 1:15-21 2 Tim 3:16-17.\-john9346 on 10/9/15
-I don't think Luke was one of The Apostles.
-"Most" sounds more appropriate in context than "all."
---micha9344 on 10/9/15


Matthew 1o:3o But the very hairs of your head are numbered

But God can't keep his word in tact ?
---RichardC on 10/9/15


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Brendan stated, "The Apostles wrote most of the New Testament."

Correction, they wrote them all 2 Pet 1:15-21 2 Tim 3:16-17.



Brendan said, "But I am stating that the Church codified it, made the judgments about what should be in the NT and what should be rejected."

Correction Polycarp, Polycrate, Justin, and Ignatius were reading, quoting, and defending doctrine way before carthage and hippo my friend...

Remember there is a difference between deciding and recognizing pertaining to the cannon...
---john9346 on 10/9/15


Samuel BB said, "The Early preschism church assembled the Bible. The Orthodox church and the RCC was still one. Which is why as Cluny points out can equally claim to have established the Bible...."

Figure it any way you want to. The united Christian Church was both Orthodox and Catholic.

"The Council that you claim also stated these scripture were written by the Apostle. So which is it were they right then or were they lying and false teachers in your current view."

The Apostles wrote most of the New Testament, it is true. But I am stating that the Church codified it, made the judgments about what should be in the NT and what should be rejected.
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/9/15


Samuel asked, "
The Council that you claim also stated these scripture were written by the Apostle. So which is it were they right then or were they lying and false teachers in your current view.
see below:
Samuel this statement to understand:

"The relationship between the sufficient Scriptures and the Nicene Bishops should be noted carefully. The Scriptures are not made insufficient by the council, rather, the words of the council remind one of the religion towards Christ announced in divine Scripture. Obviously, then, the authority of the council is derivative from its fidelity to Scripture.

st athanasius on "Nicea."
---john9346 on 10/9/15


But Monk Brendan the Roman Catholic church was not separated till 1046.

The Early preschism church assembled the Bible. The Orthodox church and the RCC was still one. Which is why as Cluny points out can equally claim to have established the Bible.

Thank you John9346

The Council that you claim also stated these scripture were written by the Apostle. So which is it were they right then or were they lying and false teachers in your current view.

If you reject that they were right then and false how can you trust them now?

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/8/15


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Weren't for the monks - Is man in control or God


Proverbs 16:9 - A man heart deviseth his way : but the lord directeth his steps

Jesus in red ink - Inspiration of God doesn't carry weight !

Raise in RCC I found it to man made Just walk in the church and see false effigy of Mary Christ Joseph that just throws me off and Why ? people want to see something to believe in !
---RichardC on 10/8/15


The list of canonical books, i.e. the New Testament, was discussed and codified during the first ecumenical council in 325 A.D. And it was that list that has been used by most Christians since then.

The so-called "gospels" of James or Judas or the Shepherd of Hermas were rejected by that same council.

BTW, All of you should get down on your knees and thank God for the Catholic Church, for if it weren't for MONKS patiently copying the bible throughout the centuries, King James would not have been able to publish a bible that a lot of people think came down from heaven intact, with the words of Jesus written in red ink.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/8/15


2 Timothy 3:16 - ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,for reproof, for correction , for instruction in righteousness,

Jeremiah 36:4 - THEN Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah and Baruch wrote from, the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the Lord which he spoken unto him, upon a roll of book,
---Richardc on 10/6/15


Brendan said, "Who wrote the Bible, especially the New Testament?" "Hint: It was not Matthew, Mark, Luke, John nor Paul."


Well, Historical and Manuscript Evidence proove you absolutely wrong my friend...

All The gospels were written before 70 AD

The church fathers Polycarp, Polycrate, Ignatius, and Justin Martyr were quoting the Nt Scriptures way before any Ecumenical Council were created.
---john9346 on 10/6/15


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2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,...

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, (KJV)
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds, (KJV)

The correct answer to the question would be God.

I know some of you got it right.
---trey on 10/6/15


The apostles wrote the New Testament.

I know that many modern scholars deny this. But the Early Church scholars worked with the histories available and they and I believe that the Apostles wrote the New Testament.

In I John the apostle identifies himself and the writing in all the Johns is similar.

To say they did not write it is speculation on disbelief in the Apostles and early church.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/5/15


The united Christian Church in 325 A.D. set down the Canon (list of books that the Fathers of the Church decided were inspired by God), although it took another 2-3 centuries for the Bible to become universal. So, the Bible was written in Greek in the first five centuries of the Christian Church.

It wasn't until the 1380's that the first English Bible was written, (England was still Roman Catholic then) and the King James Bible didn't show up until 1600.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/3/15


It is vitally important that worshipers begin to question what has been taught for 2,000 years and realize that the principalities that we need strive against have always enlisted man to hide/obscure the truth about the creator.

The word "bible" is not in scripture (only "SCRIPTURE" is sanctioned/approved of the creator).

The most effective tactic of the enemy has always been to portray the creator as A BOOK containing textual criteria. "BIBLE" is the name for MAN'S version of God (666, the TRINITY of man, the man of lawlessness, son of perdition).
---faithforfaith on 10/3/15


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And the Holy Spirit has written in our hearts > 2 Corinthians 3:2-3 >

"You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read by all men, clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart."

So, we who are God's children are an epistle of Christ written by the Holy Spirit . . . "not with ink". So, are we not the Canon scripture of the Holy Spirit?
---Bill on 10/1/15


GOD authored (divinely inspired) the Bible & used men (some named & some unknown) to record (pen, write, etc.) it.
---Leon on 10/1/15


The Bible was written over a span of 1500 years by 40 authors. Unlike other religious writings, the Bible reads as a factual news account of real events,places, people,dialogue. Historians and archaeologlists have repeatedly comfirmed its autheniticity.
---Bee on 10/1/15


It couldn't have been the four so called gospels as they are still part of the OT.

It was Peter, James, John and Jude as the NT was written to the same people as the OT.
---michael_e on 9/30/15


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2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
-If men spoke by the Holy Spirit, so did they write.
Maybe the subtle difference between who wrote and who authored would be made aware here.
Exo 17:14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this [for] a memorial in a book...
Num 5:23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book...
Isa 30:8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book...
Jer 30:2 Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book...
Mat 2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
---micha9344 on 9/30/15


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