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'Othniel was a type of Christ a Messianic Forshadow'- John9436 (10/12/15).

Correct! Neither Othniel nor Christ were God. Othniel is Christ's equal, vice-versa. Neither are equal to God. Well done John, I'm glad you can see that Othniel is a type of Christ.

In the same way Jehovah provided salvation for Israel through Othniel (Jg.3:8-11), Jehovah provides salvation for mankind through the death of his son, Jesus Christ.

'to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord'- Jude 25 (NIV).

This is so because Jesus is also Adam's equal- 1Cor.15:45.

The truth is as simple as that!
---David8318 on 10/13/15


'virtually everyone else throughout several millenia of Christianity has had it wrong'- strongaxe (10/11/15).

Everyone else thoughout Christianity StrongAxe has not had much choice in the matter. You trinitarians perform infant baptism. Get them before they can think for themselves is the name of your game.

If you were anything else other than a trinitarian in the past 1700 years you would have been hounded out by thugs with pitchforks and torches and burned at the stake for being a heretic. Any attempt to speak out against "the church" was quickly killed off.

The Constantine-Athanasius partnership which gave the pagan trinity its christian veneer in 325AD is part of the apostasy fortold at 2Thess.2:3 (NASB).
---David8318 on 10/12/15


'Dr. Julius R. Mantey a respected Greek Scholar of Watch Tower Publications'- John9346.

To correct you, Dr Mantey is not a scholar of Watch Tower publications. Dr Mantey is expressing his own opinions.

If Dr Mantey wants to believe in a polytheist rendering of John 1:1, being a trinitarian thats not surprising, he is welcome to.

The fact is, John 1:18 states, 'no man has seen God at anytime'. John is making a huge contradiction in his writings if he also means the Word was God.

Thats not what John wrote. Greek grammar and context demand the indefinite article "a" at Jo.1:1 as it does at Acts 28:6, where Paul is described exactly the same way the Word is at Jo.1:1, "theos" or "a god".
---David8318 on 10/12/15


David said, "Being described as 'a god' agrees with Greek grammar and context."

To correct you, Dr. Julius R. Mantey a respected Greek Scholar of Watch Tower Publications had this to say about John 1:1.


"It is neither scholarly nor reasonable to translate John l:1 'the Word was a god.

Dr. Julius R. Mantey Greek Scholar quoted book on page 1158 of Watch Tower Kingdom Interlinear Translation.
---john on 10/12/15


JW's always re-baptize people when they accept the truth.
---David8318 on 10/12/15

All you do is come into these blogs and tell us we are all wrong.

If you think everyone here is wrong, please tell us why you are right. Describe your theology so we can make our own decision.

If JW's have the true knowledge of God, show us what it is, with the KJV Bible, not with your NWT translation.

I bet you cannot.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/12/15




David said, "Being described as 'a god' agrees with Greek grammar and context."

To correct you, Dr. Julius R. Mantey a respected Greek Scholar of Watch Tower Publications had this to say about John 1:1.


"It is neither scholarly nor reasonable to translate John l:1 'the Word was a god.

Dr. Julius R. Mantey Greek Scholar quoted book on page 1158 of Watch Tower Kingdom Interlinear Translation.
---john9346 on 10/12/15


David asked, "But that certainly did not make Othniel "God", did it?"

Othniel was a type of Christ a Messianic Forshadow.

David said, "A reading of Isaiah 43:1-12 shows that verse 11 means God alone was the One who provided salvation, or deliverance for Israel."
this is "Henotheism." meaning "Other gods."

Isa 43:10-11 You are My witnesses, declares Yahweh, and My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
I, even I, am Yahweh,
And there is no savior besides Me.

So, is Jesus a True Saviour or a false saviour??
---john9346 on 10/12/15


'the Orthodox Church does not recognize JW baptisms as valid'- Cluny 10/10/15.

Not to worry, JW's do not recognise anything the orthodox church does as valid.

JW's are currently enjoying tremendous success in areas where the orthodox church has a measure of grip on people. This despite viciious oposition from Orthodox thugs bent on disrupting JW christian meetings. JW's always re-baptize people when they accept the truth.
---David8318 on 10/12/15


'Jesus as another GOD'- Samuelbb7.

No Sam, JW's do not believe Jesus is another GOD. Your phoney reinvention of what JW's teach are cheap bait-and-switch tactics. Common among trinitarians who cannot win arguements.

Jo.1:1 reads, '...and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god',

John 1:18 reads, 'No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him'- KJV.

John 1:1 describes the Word as "a god" (divine or godlike- Goodspeed), not that he is identified as a GOD or the GOD he is 'with' as you believe. Being described as 'a god' agrees with Greek grammar and context. As v18 says, 'no man has seen God'.
---David8318 on 10/12/15


David, please don't ignore the question and Bible verses.

ADDRESS MATTHEW 28:19

All my JW's family members hate that verse because it explains the TRINITY!

Why not just baptize in God's name alone?
Or in Jesus' name or only in the Holy Spirit's name?

If there is only one God and no Trinity, one Name is only needed to baptized any person.

Again, Please explain this verse?

Matthew 28:19
...baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/12/15




'our Saviour Jesus Christ'- Samuelbb7 10/8/15.

Sam the "born again" believes because Jesus is called savior at Titus 2:13, he must be God because God is called savior at Isaiah 45:15. Jesus and God are one and the same? No Sam, this is fallacious trinitarian reasoning.

At Judges 3:9, the same Hebrew word (moh'shia, rendered 'savior' or 'deliverer') that is used at Isaiah 43:11 is also applied to Othniel, a judge in Israel. But that certainly did not make Othniel "God", did it? A reading of Isaiah 43:1-12 shows that verse 11 means God alone was the One who provided salvation, or deliverance for Israel. That salvation did not come from any of the gods of the surrounding nations.
---David8318 on 10/12/15


Many so-called Trinitarians are in fact polytheists. But many aren't.

Don't throw a blanket over everyone who identifies with the designation.

Many believe there are 3 eternal beings

many do not believe that the Son proceeds from the Father

Many believe the Holy Spirit is "part" of God.
---James_L on 10/11/15


David the Trinity is not based on what men have said but on what Scripture says.

You are incorrect David Trinitarians are Monotheistic by definition. Three Persons one GOD.

On the other hand Witnesses who claim to be Monotheistic actually place Jesus as another GOD. We both accept the Father whom you call Jehovah is GOD. But even in your version of John 1 Jesus is called a GOD. So that would make two gods which is polytheism.

The Bible says only Jehovah is our Savior. But Jesus is our Savior. So if they are two gods then we have two saviors.

On the other hand if we only have one GOD they are one and our only savior.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/11/15


David said, "To correct you, trinitarians are polytheists."

You obviously didn't read definition stated earlier, "In the being of God (essence) there exist Father, Son, and Holy Spirit who are co equal, co eternal, and co existing, 3 distinct persons. The Father is not The Son, The Son is not The Father, and The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor is he the Son.

See, Isa 43:10-11, 44:6 and 8, 45:21-23.

David said, "There is no indication in your rendering of John 1:1 that these two God's are one and the same."

read again is not the one the Word is with God?then what does John go on to say the Word was God??

the verses you ak for are in the prior responses take time to read them...
---john9346 on 10/11/15


Sorry David, I haven't been reading these posts:

Nicole believes God is talking to his equal at Gen.1:26. To correct you, no one has given scriptures to show where the Bible says 'Jesus is God' or 'God the Father, God the son, God the holy spirit'. There are none. ---David8318

Half my family are JW, and I know much of there beliefs.
JW do not believe Jesus is the Son of God, but St Michael the Angel.
Which you all are wrong.

It isn't nice to tell falsehood.

I also gave Matthew 28:19 FIRST!

Matthew 28:19
...baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

It's the Trinity Scripture you JW hate. All 3 on the same level.

DAVID, PLEASE ADDRESS THAT VERSE.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/11/15


David8318:

You said: Your apostate unorthodox-Roman Catholic trinity dogma is unravelling.

As most Christians were and are trinitarians, while only a fraction are Jehovah's Witnesses, "unravelling" is highly overstated. Strange how you think a tiny few have gotten it right, while virtually everyone else throughout several millenia of Christianity has had it wrong all the time (and God let it be so, to allow millions upon millions to be deceived for all that time).

To correct you, trinitarians are polytheists.

If one addresses the President, the Commander in Chief, and Michelle Obama's husband, one does so in different ways about different subjects, but they are all still the same person.
---StrongAxe on 10/11/15


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\\Try again Cluny! Your apostate unorthodox-Roman Catholic trinity dogma is unravelling.
---David8318 on 10/11/15\\

Why do the pre-reformation churches of Assyria, Ethiopia, and India, which were never part of the Empire, believe in the Trinity?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/11/15


Hi david,

Jesus is Yahweh/Jehovah verses.

Jn 8:58 Exo 3:14, Heb 1:8 Ps. 45:6, Heb 1:10 Ps. 102 25-27.

Jn 12:41 Isa 6:1, Phil 2:10-11 Isa 45:23. Jn 20:28

If you will read carefully these verses, it shows you that Jesus is God, and answers your question regarding God The Father and God The Son.
---john9346 on 10/11/15


'David did not use the "in our likeness" part'- micha9344.

Like Nicole, micha9344 also believes when God uses pronouns such as "us" and "our", he is talking to his equal.

How many equals does Micha9344 believe God is talking to at Gen.1:26? Micha9344 is propagating polytheism! A hall-mark of pagan false religion.

'We are created in the image of God, not another heavenly creature'- micha9344.

Who said we are created in the image of a creature? Micha9344 cannot discern the difference between verses 26 & 27. In terms of creation, only God singularly 'created man in his own image' (v27). "Creation" does not include the image of the one God is talking to at v26.
---David8318 on 10/11/15


'[Athanasius] was living in exile outside the empire'- Cluny, 10/10/15.

Clueless Cluny, the Catholic with out a pope get's it wrong time and time again. Cluny's ineptness with his own un-orthodox church history is a reflection of his inept understanding of scripture. He still hasn't shown where "trinity" appears.

The truth Cluny hides, is that Athanasius's banishment to Gaul, France in 335AD, occurred 10 years after pagan Roman Emperor Constantine and the reprobate Athanasius partnered up to formulate the pagan trinity doctrine at the Council of Nicea in 325AD.

Try again Cluny! Your apostate unorthodox-Roman Catholic trinity dogma is unravelling.
---David8318 on 10/11/15


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\\ /Since trinity's inception by the partnership of pagan Roman Emperor Constantine and Athanasius in 325AD,\-David8318 on 10/10\\

Try again, david.

St. Athanasius (have you read any of his writings, btw?) was hardly in partnership with the Emperor, as he was living in exile outside the empire.

Bet you didn't know that!

Now what?
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/15


'Trinitarians are monotheists'- john9346.

To correct you, trinitarians are polytheists.

Nicole believes God is talking to his equal at Gen.1:26.

You and micha9344 believe there are two God's at John 1:1. Your trinitarian rendering says, '...and the Word was with God, and the Word was God'. So not only do you believe the Word was God, you believe the Word was with another God. There is no indication in your rendering of John 1:1 that these two God's are one and the same. You are a polytheist trinitarian.

To correct you, no one has given scriptures to show where the Bible says 'Jesus is God' or 'God the Father, God the son, God the holy spirit'. There are none.
---David8318 on 10/11/15


/At best, it can merely imply that among all the heavenly creatures there was one that occupied a preferred position in relation to God.\
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
-We are created in the image of God, not another heavenly creature. Your objection falls short.
/If someone says 'Let us make something for ourselves,' are they implying that several persons are combined as one inside themselves? Or that two or more individuals will work together on something?\-David8318 on 10/10/15
-Typical bait-and-switch tactics. Notice David did not use the "in our likeness" part, for he knows this analogy also falls short.
I'm surprised he didn't use the "royalty" excuse again.
---micha9344 on 10/10/15


David,

You keep saying because the Word "Trinity." is not found in the bible the "Trinity." is not true.

There are many "Words." used to describe concepts found in the bible like the Rapture 1 Cor 15:52, the Incarnation Jn 1:14, monotheism Deut 6:4, and atheism Ps. 14:1.
---john9346 on 10/10/15


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/Since trinity's inception by the partnership of pagan Roman Emperor Constantine and Athanasius in 325AD,\-David8318 on 10/10/15
The councils of the late 3rd and early-mid 4th centuries only codified the Truth.
I have given several 1st and 2nd century quotes against your prior attempts at resurrecting the Arian heresy.
It looks like I shall start again.
IT was heresy before Arius came to be, it was formally declared heresy during his lifetime, and it is still heresy today.
Charles Taze Russell, disillusioned by the Millerite doctrine, chose the path of Arius. The Great Disappointment of the 19th century strikes again.
---micha9344 on 10/10/15


'it's core roots have been declared heresy for over 17 centuries now'- micha9344.

That's 17 centuries of trinitarian apostasy and false teachings. Since trinity's inception by the partnership of pagan Roman Emperor Constantine and Athanasius in 325AD, those outside the pagan trinity bubble will forever be vilified.

JW's go back beyond the trinitarian 17 century life span, pre-325AD and examine what the Bible teaches. What JW's find is that no where in scripture will you find "trinity", or false trinitarian terms such as "Jesus is God", or "God the holy spirit". These are unbiblical man-made expressions to describe a man-made pagan doctrine.
---David8318 on 10/10/15


'Genesis 1:26'- Nicole.

I did ask where is the word 'trinity' found in the Bible. Nicole cites Gen.1:26. Where is the word 'trinity' in this verse? Is Nicole telling us because God uses the pronoun "us" at Gen.1:26, this is sufficient to argue for the equality of the pre-human Jesus with God?

The fact God uses the pronoun "us" does not prove he was speaking to an equal. At best, it can merely imply that among all the heavenly creatures there was one that occupied a preferred position in relation to God.

If someone says 'Let us make something for ourselves,' are they implying that several persons are combined as one inside themselves? Or that two or more individuals will work together on something?
---David8318 on 10/10/15


David said, "No where in the Hebrew scriptures do you find the trinity."

Are you reading the verses we are giving you??

OT gen 1:26, 3:22, 11:7, Isa 6:8-10, 9:6, 10:21, and 48:16-17.

David said, "Where does Jesus call himself "God". Where does Jesus say 'God the Father, God the son, God the holy spirit'? The answer is no where."

Again, many have given you verses the question is are you reading them sir??

pay attention to responses including verses all ready given to you.

To correct you, Trinitarians are monotheists.
---john9346 on 10/10/15


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\\'JW beliefs about Jesus are in line with Jewish... beliefs'- micha9344.\\

That's because neither are Christians.

This is why the Orthodox Church does not recognize JW baptisms as valid.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/15


'JW beliefs about Jesus are in line with Jewish... beliefs'- micha9344.

Given that Jesus was a Jew, I'll take micha's comment as a compliment.

As micha9344 indicates, the Jews were monotheists (Duet.6:4). No where in the Hebrew scriptures do you find the trinity. Jesus himself never taught in terms of the trinity as the likes of micha9344, sambb7 or john9348 do. Their's is a false trinity gospel.

Where does Jesus call himself "God". Where does Jesus say 'God the Father, God the son, God the holy spirit'? The answer is no where.

Trinitarians are are similar to Muslims in that they both share belief in an immortal soul and hell-fire.
---David8318 on 10/10/15


Correct Micha most don't recognize the JW as a christian church.

I am just pointing out that the consider Jesus to be an angel and a god. Not just a prophet. Many Jews don't recognize Jesus as anything.

Islam and the Quaran recognize Jesus as a Prophet. But not the Son of GOD. Or a GOD.

True Nicole Christians recognize the Trinity based on Scripture.

A doctrine that JW's oppose since they place Jesus as an angel/god. But not equal to the father.

I was not trying to be insulting. It is a fact that many don't seek original sources and when a incorrect statement is made. I just am pointing out it is incorrect.

That is not an insult just a fact.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/9/15


/But their beliefs are different then that of Muslims and Jews about Jesus.\-Samuelbb7 on 10/9/15
Which of these consider Jesus to be God in the flesh?
Answer: none
Which of these consider Jesus to be a holy man / prophet?
Answer: all
Which of these consider Jesus a created being?
Answer: all
JW's do recognize the sonship, but without the essence.
More in line with Jewish and Muslim doctrine than Christianity.
/It is always best to check original documents from the organization instead of depending on what others say.\
Such a judgmental thing to say without the knowledge to back it up.
Santimony, Most of us here, who would identify with Christ, would not consider the JW organization to be a Christian church.
---micha9344 on 10/9/15


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Perhaps Cluny can show us where the Bible uses the word "trinity" to describe God.-David8318

Matthew 28:19
...baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

Count them? 3 and All Equal.
Note Jesus is the Son and placed himself in the middle which explains it the Trinity. (Tri = 3)

Genesis 1:26
Then God said: "Let US make man in OUR Image after OUR Likeness....
V27 God created main in HIS Image, in the Divine Image He created them.

David, please note God going from plural to singular.

Even the Jewish people who DON'T believe in the Trinity are stump on those verses calling it a mystery.

The Mystery is the TRINITY revealed to us Christians.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/9/15


David said, "
In fact, when pagan Roman Emperor Constantine and his sycophant Athanasius instigated the Council of Nicea in 325AD, the holy spirit was not included in their false trinity doctrine."

Correction, the Holy Spirit was worshipped as God in early second century.

David stated, "A correct rendering of John 1:1 recognising rules of Greek grammar and context would read, 'and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god'."

actually a greek scholar respected by jehovah's witnesses had this to say
"It is neither scholarly nor reasonable to translate John l:1 'the Word was a god.

Dr. Julius R. Mantey
---john9346 on 10/9/15


Micha, yes, I am learning many Christian churches disagree about many things.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/9/15


Micha you have somethings correct. The JW did start in the 19th century.

But their beliefs are different then that of Muslims and Jews about Jesus.

It is always best to check original documents from the organization instead of depending on what others say.

They do have a number of orthodox beliefs. They believe the Bible is the word of GOD.

Yes they do not believe in the Trinity. But that is not all they believe.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/9/15


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'Jesus is GOD'- Sameulbb7 (10/8/15).

Unsurprisingly neither you nor Scott1 can show where the Bible uses the word trinity to describe God. Neither can you find a verse which states 'Jesus is God'.

The only tenuous link you find is God and Jesus are called savior, therefore you assume they must be one and the same? Maybe considering Jude 25 will help you draw closer to understanding Titus 2:13 and the relationship between God and Christ.

'to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord'- Jude 25 (NIV).

God saves "through" Jesus Christ.

If you were born again, you would understand this relationship.
---David8318 on 10/9/15


\\ The word "trinity" is not how the Bible describes God\\

Yes, it is.

- Cluny (10/9/15).

Perhaps Cluny can show us where the Bible uses the word "trinity" to describe God.

I wouldn't hold your breath!

Glory to Jehovah God.
---David8318 on 10/9/15


Santimony, David8318 is a Jehovah's Witness. This organization was begun in the 19th century and it's core roots have been declared heresy for over 17 centuries now. Do not confuse his beliefs with that of Christianity.
JW beliefs about Jesus are in line with Jewish and Muslim beliefs about Him.
Weigh all posts carefully in light of the Word of God.
---micha9344 on 10/9/15


\\ The word "trinity" is not how the Bible describes God\\

Yes, it is.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/9/15


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Yes, now I am becoming confused over what Christians believe.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/9/15


No David you are incorrect. The translators of the Bible are correct that Jesus is GOD. Not your false translation.

The Trinity is based on the Word of GOD. Not the misguided thoughts of men. Only GOD can be our Savior. Since Jesus is our Savior then he must be GOD.

Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ,

Isaiah 45:15
Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.

David have you been Born Again? It requires being Born Again to understand the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/8/15


David said, "Neither the word "trinity" nor the concept can be found explicitly taught in the Bible."

Trey provided you verses as well as Gen 1:1-3, 26, 3:22, Jn 8:56-59, Mk 14:60-64.

Please read incarnation by Athanasius and Against Praxeas by Tertullian.

David said, "In fact, when pagan Roman Emperor Constantine and his sycophant Athanasius instigated the Council of Nicea in 325AD, the holy spirit was not included in their false trinity doctrine."

correction, the church fathers taught the deity of the Holy Spirits early second century
---john9346 on 10/8/15


'If you have answered yes to the above questions you believe in the trinity'- scott1 (10/8/15)

So what you really mean Scott1 is that "trinity" describes how you believe God. The word "trinity" is not how the Bible describes God. The fact "trinity" is not a Bible teaching is something you've made abundantly clear.

With respect to your questions: "Is Jesus God? Is God the Father God? Is the Holy Spirit God?"

Again, please show me where the Bible explicitly says, 'Jesus is God', or 'God the Father' and where does the Bible teach 'the holy spirit is God'? Chapter and verse please.
---David8318 on 10/9/15


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'Tertullian and Athanasius... derived, defended, and taught the trinity from the reading of Holy Scriptures'- john9346.

I agree Tertullian and Athanasius both "derived" the trinity doctrine. These are the men who instigated the false doctrine of the trinity. Neither the word "trinity" nor the concept can be found explicitly taught in the Bible. Please show me where Tertullian or Athanasius used scripture to prove the trinity?

In fact, when pagan Roman Emperor Constantine and his sycophant Athanasius instigated the Council of Nicea in 325AD, the holy spirit was not included in their false trinity doctrine. Not until nearly 60yrs later in 381AD did these apostates decide to deify the holy spirit.
---David8318 on 10/8/15


'John 1:1 also says "the Word was God"'- micha9344.

John 1:1 also says, 'and the Word was with God'. You are happy to believe the Word was the God it is with. Thats a trinity conundrum you are happy to live with.

A correct rendering of John 1:1 recognising rules of Greek grammar and context would read, 'and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god'.

This is correct because the 2nd occurence of 'theos' in John 1:1 is without the definite article- 'kai theos en ho logos'.

Here, 'theos' is a predicate noun and describes the Word as 'a god'. It doesn't identify the Word as the God it is with.
---David8318 on 10/8/15


/Jesus is "the son of God"- John 1:34. Also John 1:1 says the Word was "with" God. How can the Word be the God he is "with"?\-David8318 on 10/7/15
John 1:1 also says "the Word was God". A convenient omission perhaps?
---micha9344 on 10/8/15


Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith,Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled,
without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity,

Neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance

Athanasian Creed
---john9346 on 10/8/15


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Scott said, "However, Jesus never claims to be omnipresent nor is he meant to be omnipresent." "
That is a characteristic of only God the father."

Well this is an argument used to deny the deity of Christ,however, what is not understood is Jesus was 100 percent man as well as 100 percent God.

Jesus is omnipresent, the Father is omnipresent, and the Holy Spirit is omnipresent.

This argument reminds me of Muslims using Jesus's Death on the cross to attempt to deny the devinity of Christ.




---john9346 on 10/8/15


However, the Athanasian creed states "There are not 3 Eternals, but 1 Eternal"
---James_L on 10/8/15

You are cherry-picking this phrase from the creed. The context of that phrase within the creed states:

"For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one, the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal"

Therefore there is One Eternal and it is all three in continuous union with each other.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/8/15


---David8318 on 10/8/15
Is Jesus God?
Is God the Father God?
Is the Holy Spirit God?

If you have answered yes to the above questions you believe in the trinity. The characteristics of each person of God is different. Some say, "But Jesus is not Omnipresent" is proof Jesus is not God. However, Jesus never claims to be omnipresent nor is he meant to be omnipresent. That is a characteristic of only God the father.
---Scott1 on 10/8/15


"Correction, both Tertullian and Athanasius "Early Christian Church Fathers." derived, defended, and taught the trinity from the reading of Holy Scriptures (the bible)"
---john9346 on 10/7/15


However, the Athanasian creed states "There are not 3 Eternals, but 1 Eternal"


And that stands in stark contrast to modern "trininy" of 3 co-eternal, co-equal.
---James_L on 10/8/15


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David said, "The 'trinity' is a man-made word used to describe a man-made false doctrine."

Correction, both Tertullian and Athanasius "Early Christian Church Fathers." derived, defended, and taught the trinity from the reading of Holy Scriptures (the bible)

David said, "The false doctrine of the trinity has "direct links" with ancient pagan Egypt."

Correction, Osiris, isis, and Horus were triads not trinity.

David asked, "How can the Word be the God he is "with"?
Jn 1:1 is essence and jn 1:34 is substance when Jesus said he was the Son of God he was saying he is God.
---john9346 on 10/7/15


'The trinity describes God'- scott1 (10/7/15).

Where does the Bible use "trinity" to describe God... as you believe?

If the Bible does not use "trinity" to describe God (by the way it doesn't), then what is your authority for your claim "The trinity describes God"?
---David8318 on 10/8/15


Yes, scott, thank you for advice.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/7/15


1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (KJV)

Matt 3:16 we see the Holy Spirit descending.
Matt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (KJV)
Matt 3:16 we see the Holy Spirit descending.

Here we see three. These three are one.
Do I understand it...NO.
Do I believe it....YES!
---trey on 10/7/15


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santimoy

I will say this about the trinity. This is a very hard and meaty discussion that cannot be summarized nor fully explained in 120 characters, without insulting you I will say be careful with this subject, and if you decided to continue in Christianity great but have this discussion later. But I will say this, The trinity describes God and gives the characteristics of God to describes how he performs the work that he does. If someone disagrees with you that's fine.
---Scott1 on 10/7/15


'Can you explain the trinity to me?'- sant...kumar.

I'll have a go at explaining "the trinity". First it is not a Bible word. So scripturally speaking, 'trinity' does not describe what or who God or Jesus is or are. The 'trinity' is a man-made word used to describe a man-made false doctrine.

The false doctrine of the trinity has "direct links" with ancient pagan Egypt. The Egyptians worshipped gods in groups of 3 often referring to their trinities in the singular- Egyptian Religion, Prof.Siegfried Morenz.

Jesus is "the son of God"- John 1:34. Also John 1:1 says the Word was "with" God. How can the Word be the God he is "with"? A trinity mystery perhaps?
---David8318 on 10/7/15


The Trinity is theologian concept of one head and three legs, it simply is a misunderstanding of the deity of Three The Most High, The Holy Spirit, The Messiah....you strain at a knat and swallow a camel....
---Carla on 10/7/15

Really? The relationship of The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is a knat? Pretty bold statement.

And my question to you is: do you have three Gods or One?

Please enlighten us of your understanding of the deity of God.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/7/15


Well definitely a fundamental misunderstanding not a disagreement.

There is a difference.
---john9346 on 10/7/15


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1 Timothy 2:5 - FOR there is one God and mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
---Richardc on 10/7/15


Very interesting disagreement about trinity.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/7/15


carla said, "If Christ explains why his disciple called him good explaining that there is only ONE good, who is it????"

Actually, in Matt 19:17 "And He said to him, Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good, but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.)" Jesus is stating his divinity.

Jesus is God see Jn 1:1-3, 5:15-20, 8:52-59, and 20:27-28.
---john9346 on 10/7/15


Santimoy said in another blog, "I am observing that Christians disagree amongst themselves on many issues."

Santimoy, in Christianity there are essentials, non-essentials, and counterfeits.

essentials: By grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone standing on Scripture (the bible) alone for the glory of God alone.

some Non-essentials are baptism, communion, rapture, denominational affiliation, bible versions, specific Holidays, etc.

the essentials I mentioned must be believed to be Christian my friend...

good question.

May the Lord continue guiding you to himself,

John
---john9346 on 10/7/15


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The Trinity is theologian concept of one head and three legs, it simply is a misunderstanding of the deity of Three The Most High, The Holy Spirit, The Messiah.

If Christ explains why his disciple called him good explaining that there is only ONE good, who is it????

you strain at a knat and swallow a camel....
---Carla on 10/7/15


The Trinity is one "what" GOD, three "whos" (Father, Son & Holy Spirit). The Father is not the Son or Holy Spirit. The Son is not the Father or Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the Father or Son. All Three are the One God! They are three distinct persons in the ONE GODhead. Subsequently, The Trinity is GOD.
---Leon on 10/7/15


Santimoy asked, "Can you explain the trinity to me?"

Sure,In the being of God (essence) there exist Father, Son, and Holy Spirit who are co equal, co eternal, and co existing, 3 distinct persons. The Father is not The Son, The Son is not The Father, and The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor is he the Son.

These 3 persons make up God not 3 different Gods, but only 1 true Living God.
---john9346 on 10/7/15


Can you explain the trinity to me?
---santimoy.kumar on 10/6/15


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Santimoy asked, "What is the advantage of becoming a Christian instead of becoming a member of another religion?

The promise of the forgiveness of sins and everlasting life.

Christianity has a saviour who saves from sin other religions do not.

Our God Jesus Christ who is holy, righteous, and just came down in Human Form to rescues sinners to grant them repentance and Eternal Life to those who will believe in him and turn from their sins.

See Romans 3:10-26, and Ephesians 2:1-9.

Good question and thanks for asking.

May the Lord speak to you,
---john9346 on 10/6/15


"What is the advantage of becoming a Christian instead of becoming a member of another religion?"

Love. The love of the Father.
---chria9396 on 10/6/15


The greatest advantage would be that we have a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Too many people see church as a social club.

Let's get this straight:
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (KJV)

Seeing other religions as idolatry and Christianity as the true and correct form of worship is not acting in a Pharisaical manner, it is worshiping God in spirit and in truth.
---trey on 10/6/15


//The Trinity created us to enter the joy and love They have for each other.

They are letting us in the loop.//

I like the imagery
---Scott1 on 10/6/15


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What is the advantage of becoming a Christian instead of becoming a member of another religion?
---santimoy.kumar on 10/5/15

The biggest advantage is that we as people do not have to perform any rituals, prayers, practices, or works to be accepted and loved by God.

All that needs to be done HAS already been done by Jesus.

All we need to do is believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that Jesus is the only way to God and that He has made the way for us, trust in His finished work, and accept His salvation. The rest will be performed in your life by the Holy Spirit.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/6/15


Nicole Lacey, very nicely said.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/5/15


Because no other religion makes us humans aware like the Christian Faith that we are made in the Image of God.

The Trinity created us to enter the joy and love They have for each other.

They are letting us in the loop.

No other religion understands the dignity of the each human being like the Christian religion.

Man is sacred from conception to death because we are God's Image.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/5/15


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