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What Is Tithing

Does anyone want to fully understand the meaning of tithing?

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 ---Valerie on 10/6/15
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"Ah, but who to study under, or who to ask? A lot of the "authorities" have no one over them to correct, reprove, etc. If there is nobody over them, how will they follow the "party" line, so to speak?

There is a chain of authority in the RCC that tells Nicole what to study and whom to ask."

---Monk_Brendan

Well, either nobody told her or she didn't listen.

It's already there in the scriptures. If the layman wasn't treated like a moron in the RCC, maybe more would feel comfortable reading for themselves
---James_L on 6/19/16


James L. said, "It's not my fault that Westerners define "son" different from scripture.

It's up to you to study, or ask."


Ah, but who to study under, or who to ask? A lot of the "authorities" have no one over them to correct, reprove, etc. If there is nobody over them, how will they follow the "party" line, so to speak?

There is a chain of authority in the RCC that tells Nicole what to study and whom to ask.
---Monk_Brendan on 6/17/16


tithing is under the ceremonial law & the ceremonial law is not still at work, check the laws of ceremonial law.
---che_Valerie on 6/17/16


Where does the Word of God tell us to tithe?
---micha9344 on 6/16/16


I don't tithe because the Pastor says so.

I tithe because the Word of God says so.

The church has needs, I don't have to go around begging for money, but my tithe and offering to the work of God will be of great help.

Whoever thinks Pastors are robbing people, s/he is robbing him/herself
---Eddie on 6/16/16




......take your words at FACE VALUE which means Abraham didn't have any biological sons....
---Nicole_Lacey

Face value? I simply noted what is expressly stated in scripture.

It's not my fault that Westerners define "son" different from scripture.

It's up to you to study, or ask.



Just admit you didn't clarify yourself enough instead of telling me something I already knew....

---Nicole_Lacey

Of course I didn't clarify myself. Are you mad at God too? He saw fit to inspire the same statement, without clarifying.
---James_L on 10/24/15


Paul tell us we are no longer under the law and that we are free from its bondage (Gal 4:9 ). Even more, Jesus Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law.Gal 4:13
Putting someone under a required system of tithing and offering is equal to ignoring the cross work of Christ and placing the us back under a curse of the law.
Those living under liberty and grace cannot be placed under a curse (Gal 5:1 ). Mandatory tithing is not a practice for the church, the BoC. Those who teach tithing are either ignorant of Pauls instructions or are mishandling the word of truth (Titus 1:11 ).
When pastors use the law to motivate giving they deny the sufficient power of Gods grace (2 Cor 5:14-15 , 9 :8).
---michael_e on 10/24/15


Abraham had numerous children, but only one son - heir ---James_L on 10/21/15

We are going in circles.

The point is that you did NOT say that in your original post.

You just said point blank that Isaac is Abraham ONLY SON with more than 100 more word allowance to explain yourself.

Someone not knowing about your above comment would take your words at FACE VALUE which means Abraham didn't have any biological sons.

Just admit you didn't clarify yourself enough instead of telling me something I already knew.

It's the other guy who might not have known until I challenged your post, forcing you to explain.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/23/15


Guess Valerie left this discussion to her friend santimoy who is not a Christian.
---KarenD on 10/23/15


Read Romans 3 and Galatians.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/21/15

All Romans and Galations both, written by Paul an Israelite too both houses of Israel per context/references. Paul never used, gentile, it is a vulgate/latin aberration.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: ...
Only Israel had the Law.
Only Israel is covenanted with the Law written in their hearts...as per GOD's prophets.
Your arguing with GOD's spokepersons.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
---Trav on 10/22/15




Yes, trav, thank you. Peace to you.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/21/15


True GOD is still the GOD of Israel.

But all who wish may join in the covenant.

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Romans 2:10
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Romans 3:29
Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

Read all of Romans 3 and Galatians.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/21/15


Thank you, trav,... Quite different to what other Christians believe. I am happy with my beliefs too.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/21/15

Different because I post verified witnesses in Israels agreeing with each other from the front to the end.
Many of the witnesses dying, sacrificing everything to establish truth.
I expect you would be happy with your beliefs, established by your ancestors. For two thousand years and previous Israel is the recipient of our belief. Israel, composed of 14 different sons distinct in their histories.
Deu 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
Deu 7:7
---Trav on 10/21/15


Thank you, trav, for detailed response. Quite different to what other Christians believe. I am happy with my beliefs too.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/21/15


Yes, trav, it is interesting what you say. It is your belief that Christian bible does not pertain to people from India for example?
---santimoy.kumar on 10/16/15

Scriptures are a light pertaining to anyone that sees that the GOD of Israel is the only GOD. His laws are all encompassing, proven by time without equal. He blessed many that were non Israel.
Read the collective writings about his people Israel.
Read his specific statements to this people. Christ stated he came for one people Matt 15:24/10:6, the first and second covenant Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31 is to this people.
Exo_29:45. Look up "GOD of Israel" found 453 times. Word "everlasting", "for ever", "covenant".
---Trav on 10/21/15


Nicole,
In Hebrews 11:17 Isaac is called the "monogenes" of Abraham. It's translated "only son" because Isaac was called his only son in Genesis.

In John 3:16 Jesus is called the "monogenes" of God. Also translated "only son"

Looking at Genesis 15:1-4 when God first promised to Abraham about descendants and reward, Abraham's concern was...."what will you give me, seeing I have no heir?"

Abraham had numerous children, but only one son - heir
---James_L on 10/21/15


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Isaac was Abraham's only son --James_L on 10/18/15

I was concern because you didn't give extra information.

Because you only used the word 'only' as if Ismael didn't exist.

Thank you for this information:

It doesn't mean "male offspring", it means - HEIR
---James_L on 10/18/15
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/19/15


How can you put Isaac on the same level as Jesus Christ?
---Nicole

Probably the same way the writer of Hebrews did, in 11:17



By writing that statement without any other information would confuse weak Christians.
---Nicole

Only if they've been misinformed by "stronger" incorrect believers



Genesis 22:2
Then God said: 'Take your son Isaac, you only one, whom you love,

God is speaking Poetically.
---Nicole

Wrong. It might help to investigate what a Jew meant by "son"



It doesn't mean "male offspring", it means - HEIR
---James_L on 10/18/15


No, Michael, I do not attend a Christian church.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/18/15


Isaac was Abraham's only son ---James_L on 10/18/15

How can you put Isaac on the same level as Jesus Christ?

By writing that statement without any other information would confuse weak Christians.

ONLY JESUS was conceived WITHOUT A SEED.

Are you saying Ismael was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit?

Explain Genesis 16:4
He (Abram) had intercourse with her, and she became pregnant.
Genesis 21:11
Abraham was greatly distressed, especially on account of his SON ISHMAEL,

Genesis 22:2
Then God said: 'Take your son Isaac, you only one, whom you love,

God is speaking Poetically.

Or do you think God doesn't know that Abram fathered Ismael?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/18/15


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Isaac was Abraham's only son
---James_L on 10/18/15


Tray, just answer this question yes or no.

Is ISHMAEL Jewish or Muslim?

Since he is Abraham 1st born son.

Why did God reject Ishmael?

Why does Jesus in the Gospel states His Father the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

Jacob is a grandson and nephew to Ishmael.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/18/15


santimoy.kumar,
Tithing is a deliberate subjugation of the free members of Christs body back under the law system.
If you see this practice of law or covenant tithing in a church then you may want to exit.
---michael_e on 10/17/15


Yes, trav, it is interesting what you say. It is your belief that Christian bible does not pertain to people from India for example?
---santimoy.kumar on 10/16/15


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Tray,
Moabites are not PART of the correct line of being Jewish. ---Nicole_Lacey on 10/14/15

It is these cereal box doctrines that we all have been taught that keep me posting scripture...for others usually.
Abraham was not a jew or Judah.
The Moabites were related and thus not forbidden by marriage as other races were. Their un-honored line is included in Adam, Noah, Abraham, Israels book.
Entire book is about them. Written by them, for and too them.
Rom_9:4 Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, glory,covenants, giving of the law, service of God, and the promises,
Deu_14:2 ...LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
---Trav on 10/16/15


This is also very confusing.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/15/15


I am coming to you in a peaceful and non-argumentive spirit, and I would hope you to do the same.
---Valerie on 10/13/15

But why have you asked us if we want to fully understand the meaning of tithing? Do you believe you fully understand or do you believe we do not fully understand?

These blogs are meant for conversation, not teaching as you suppose. Many here are teachers, preacher, and elders. Many have years of seminary and divinity training and have taught at church and academic levels.

Your blog question seemed arrogant to many of us.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/15/15


/Sadly, many here are not here to learn, but to prove themselves right and everyone else wrong.\-michael_e on 10/15/15
/I would love to answer any questions that anyone has concerning tithing according to the Word of God. We can study this together, and you will be surprised at what you are going to find.\-Valerie on 10/8/15
/as soon as you or someone else ask the first question concerning tithing, then we can get the ball rolling.\-Valerie on 10/9/15
/Because tithing is such a vass subject, I left it up to others as to where to start.\-Valerie on 10/10/15
From Valerie's posts, it looks like she is here to teach and not to learn, which puts her in the precarious position of having to prove herself right and everyone else wrong.
---micha9344 on 10/15/15


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//I am coming to you in a peaceful and non-argumentive spirit, and I would hope you to do the same.
---Valerie on 10/13/15// Sadly, many here are not here to learn, but to prove themselves right and everyone else wrong. Keep on keeping on.
---michael_e on 10/15/15


Tray, you know you have to go through the DIRECT line to be considered Jewish.

Moabites are not PART of the correct line of being Jewish.

Forget the nephew.

If we followed your thinking, Abraham's FIRST son would be Jewish.

ISHMAEL would be Jewish and not Muslim.

The line goes through the 12 great grandson's of Abraham's 2nd son Issac, then Jacab and his 12 boys.

That's it. No line from Esau or any other cousins.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/14/15


Trav, take it easy. No one said any laws were broken.
Please give me Scripture where it states one of Abraham's grandson was named Moab?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/13/15

None were, Moabites were related through Abraham's Nephew.

Gen_11:31 Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife,

Gen 19:36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

Gen 19:37 And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.
---Trav on 10/14/15


Trav, take it easy. No one said any laws were broken.

Remember Naomi was told that the Lord had visited His people (Jewish) and given them food. Ruth 1:6
V7 she told Ruth daughter in law "Go back, each of you to your mother's house.." Ruth refused but Orpah did go back.

That why in the Book of Ruth they keep saying 'Ruth the Moabite'.

Please give me Scripture where it states one of Abraham's grandson was named Moab?

We were talking about tithing and how a land owner could not take all the crop, but leave some for the poor.
That's how Ruth make Boaz.
Ruth 2:5
V8 Boaz said to Ruth, Listen, my daughter! Do not go to glean in anyone else's field, you are not to leave her. Stay with my women servants.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/13/15


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Under the Law, Gentiles were aliens and strangers from the commonwealth of Israel, without God, with hope.(Ephesians 2:12)

The church believe the law was given to them. Also, tithing was not before the law. Which is why I referenced Genesis 14.

Although they offered 10 percent to each other, Abram and Melchisedec took nothing from each other.

Neither was the law incorporated into Grace.

Galatians 5:4 (KJV)
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace.
The subject of tithing is very vass and impossible to completely cover in one blog reply.

I am coming to you in a peaceful and non-argumentive spirit, and I would hope you to do the same.
---Valerie on 10/13/15


/So, I see that obedient tithing can be collection of money for supporting the needy . . . so they are satisfied.\-Bill on 10/12/15
But, why call it tithing if, in a general sense, your not setting aside 10%, and/or, in a specific sense, not setting aside food?
One cannot point to Abraham without seeing it was 10% and one cannot point to Moses without seeing it was crops and cattle only.
Even Nicole showed in the passage she gave that it was about food.
I have no issue with the word "tithe" in its proper context, so let's not reference Moses in regard to money and let's not reference Moses nor Abraham if it's not 10%.
Wages is a whole other matter.
---micha9344 on 10/13/15


That's how Ruth (non Jew) met Boaz.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/11/15

Not all Israel is composed of Judah. There were no laws broken here.
Ruth was of the family tree of Abraham. Moabites or Descendants of Moab the son of Lot, Genesis 19:30-38. Their language is practically the same as the Hebrew.
---Trav on 10/13/15


Priest WORK VERY HARD.

Deuteronomy 18:1-2
The Levitical priests--indeed, the whole tribe of Levi--are to have no allotment or inheritance with Israel. They shall live on the food offerings presented to the LORD, for that is their inheritance.
They shall have no inheritance among their fellow Israelites, the LORD is their inheritance, as he promised them.

Allotment or Inheritance means valuable assets or money which one usually obtain from land ownership.

You usually never hear of rich Carpenters.
Joseph was a poor man and a Carpenter.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/12/15


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Deuteronomy 14:22-27 says to tithe from grain and wine and oil and the animals and take it to the place where the LORD tells them to take it. And they themselves eat their tithe. Or, they can sell the tithe of food items, and carry the money there, and then buy "whatever your heart desires".

Also, in the third year the food items tithe was to be stored for "the Levite", "and the stranger and the fatherless and the widow who are within your gates," so they could "come and eat and be satisfied". So the tithe was not only for the Levite!

So, I see that obedient tithing can be collection of money for supporting the needy . . . so they are satisfied.
---Bill on 10/12/15


/Levi, couldn't make money because of no land.\
One could only make money if they had land?
I don't think merchants, bakers, and carpenters realized this.
But, with 10% of 11 tribes' (12 with Joseph's sons)crops and cattle, one would think they could feed and clothe themselves sufficiently with enough left to sell or trade for other things they needed. What else did they need again?
Also, many people are under the impression that Levites didn't have jobs because they didn't have a land inheritance.
This is simply not true.
So, a Levite would do what exactly waiting on his 1/24th turn to fulfill his role in the temple?
The city of Levites only had priests and rabbis?
Let us put on our thinking caps.
---micha9344 on 10/12/15


Valerie, you are correct about the tribe of Levi, but only because that tribe wasn't given any land.

One made money harvesting the crop. They can't eat all of the crops themselves. No they sold them and made MONEY.

Levi, couldn't make money because of no land. They were the Priesthood. As our Priests in the RCC. We have to support them completely.

Leviticus 19:9-10'Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. 'Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard, you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God.

That's how Ruth (non Jew) met Boaz.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/11/15


Hello Nicole,

Tithing wasn't money at all!! No where in the bible is tithing mentioned as money. The Law of the tithe was given to the Children of Israel. It was given for one purpose and one purpose only! To take care of the tribe of Levi.
Read Deuteronomy chapter 18 and Numbers chapter 18.

Tithing was everything you can eat.


Nehemiah 13:12
Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries.


Leviticus 27:32 (KJV)
And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord.
---Valerie on 10/10/15


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The Levitical tithe was from crops and cattle to feed the Levites who did not get a land inheritance and also feed the poor, orphans, and widows.
This "tithe of the law" did not pass through Christ's death, burial, and resurrection.
The giving we now do is closer to the "freewill offerings" of Israel.
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give], not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
This verse is clear that God does not "require 10%" nor does He ask it of us specifically.
It clearly states "as he purpose it in his heart."
Just as circumcision is no longer required, even when instituted from Abraham, neither is tithing.
---micha9344 on 10/10/15


Valerie...What kind of church do you attend?
---KarenD on 10/10/15


Jesus is "The Rock of Offense"
(Romans 9:13, 1st Peter 2:8, Isaish 8:14). It is not me who is being offensive, it is the Word. I have no opinion, I don't lean on my own understanding. Because tithing is such a vass subject, I left it up to others as to where to start.
However, a good place to build a foundation about tithing would be Genesis chapter 14, and take it from there.
---Valerie on 10/10/15


santimoy.kumar, cahoots means colluding or conspiring together secretly.


I know what you mean Valerie, about tithing and how some Pastors get their donations by FEAR.

I myself gave money to TV Pastors when I was 17 years old because I was afraid of calamity falling on my soul if I didn't.

Now at 44 and somewhat wiser I know tithing is more than just money.

Time of oneself through work, listening or even PRAYING.

God wants us to think less of ourselves.

If He can convince us to tithe our wealth He can get us to pay more attention to Him.

God really wants us to tithe our time and money towards Him.
He requires 10%, but for those who are smart and give more to Him receive more in return.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/10/15


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//Does anyone want to fully understand the meaning of tithing?//
Valerie, you will find most will want to stick with traditional teachings, rather than study for themselves, good luck and God bless.
---michael_e on 10/10/15


Samuel, thank you.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/10/15


Valerie, I agree that some pastors are dicatators and those under their ministry should find a new church. However your question seems to be teasing people. You give the impression that you can teach us all something, are you begging us to ask for this information??

If you think you know something we don't know then just tell us. The way this blog is going people will soon lose interest in your initial headliner.

As things stand right now you seem very pompous. Read previous tithing blogs here and maybe YOU will learn something.
---andreea on 10/10/15


Cahoots for you young whippersnappers who do not know western slang means they are working together or helping each other.

GOD gives us everything we have. He asks 10% back to fund his work in this world.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/9/15


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I agree Leon. I used the word "Dictate" because that is exactly what these Pastors are doing, Dictating. They are using intimidating tactics to get money from the congregation, and the congregation is giving their money because they are not doing as it says in Timothy.

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
---Valerie on 10/9/15


Yes, karen, what is cahoots?
---santimoy.kumar on 10/9/15


Santimoy and Valerie seem to be in cahoots. Wondering now which cult they are with.
---KarenD on 10/9/15


Yes, Valerie, what does tithing mean? Does it help one experience closeness to God?
---santimoy.kumar on 10/9/15


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Hello Santimoy Kumar, as soon as you or someone else ask the first question concerning tithing, then we can get the ball rolling.
---Valerie on 10/9/15


///There are many churches today that dictate that one must pay 10 percent of their income. Pastors are commanding this, but not "teaching" tithing, it's meaning and it's roots...
according to the Word of God. We can study this together, and you will be surprised at what you are going to find.
---Valerie on 10/8/15///

Yes Val, DICTATE & that should be a "red flag" to the believing Church which is under NT grace dispensation, not the demands of OT Jewish law. I believe multitudes have been deceived, regarding the tithe, by ministers who have hidden agendas. At no time should the Church submit to manipulation, intimidation or domination by under shepherds. Such is nothing short of witchcraft!
---Leon on 10/9/15


While it is always good to review what the Bible has to say, presuming certain people have not heard or studied it is not a very humble position to be.
There are many previous threads on this site.
How to Properly Tithe-7/8/15
Tithing before the Law-6/21/15
Do We Need to Tithe?-10/10/12
How to Properly Tithe-6/5/12
And so on...
Most thread related to tithing can be found in the "Faith" section. The sections should be found at the top of your screen.
Valerie, please review and be instructed before coming on as a teacher of the law.
If there is anything that you would like to review or anything that wasn't brought up, please feel free to move forward.
---micha9344 on 10/9/15


Yes, valerie, this is interesting.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/8/15


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Why is it that suddenly a person has "new" knowledge that no one else ever had?
---KarenD on 10/8/15


There are many churches today that dictate that one must pay 10 percent of their income. Pastors are commanding this, but not "teaching" tithing, it"s meaning and it's roots. The church today is paying tithes without an understanding.
Proverbs 4:7 (KJV)
Wisdom is the principal thing, therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

I would love to answer any questions that anyone has concerning tithing according to the Word of God. We can study this together, and you will be surprised at what you are going to find.
---Valerie on 10/8/15


Does anyone want to fully understand the meaning of tithing?
Enlighten us.
1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
---micha9344 on 10/8/15


I am interested.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/7/15


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Please explain what you mean Valerie. Are you going to tell us the meaning or are you asking for us to provide you with what we understand the meaning of tithing is?
---Leon on 10/7/15


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