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Perceived Wrongs Of Catholic

Bp. Fulton Sheen said, There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.

What wrongs do you believe the Catholic Church has done?

Monk Brendan

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That was a good move Darlene. I myself didn't think about looking up what veneration means. I thank you!

In the world we live in today, so many are caught up in the teachings and traditions of MEN (people) having their ears tickled, instead of knowing and abiding in God's Truth!
---Rob on 10/22/15


Darlene, the difference between the LATREIA that belongs to God alone and DOULEIA (honor to whom honor is due) is one made in the Greek NT itself.

And the Bible DOES say that all generations shall call the Virgin Mary blessed. Sounds like douleia to me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/22/15


Cluny you give a negative view of those verses but when I read all of that about the Gifts of the Spirit it is asking do all have prophesy,do miracles,and all the rest there,the question doesn't mean the Gifts aren't given it means that God chooses to whom He will give a Gift. To different people there are different Gifts of the Spirit given according to God's purpose for that person in the Kingdom of God. God also gives more than one type of Gift to some people. It all depends on God's call on each person and their place in God's service. Nothing negative and all Gifts are given. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/22/15


Strong Axe thank you for what you said about no where does it tell us in the Bible to honor the HG,only God. I looked up veneration and it says worship in more than one place. One place said worship is a synonym of veneration another just said it is worship. I'm sorry Mary is dead and the Bible doesn't tell us to venerate her and I don't accept doctrines of men or denominations. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/22/15


I understand that the RCC and others look on veneration as less then worship. But it is so close I cannot tell the difference. In fact you could say that John bowing to the angel was an act of veneration.

Mary is one step above regular veneration is she not?

According to the Dictionary it is reverence. Which is akin to worship.

You also pray to the Saints and Mary. When Jesus told us to pray to the Father.

To me it is extra false since the dead cannot hear prayers because they are dead.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/21/15




Monk_Brendan:

You said: What? No honor to the Holy Spirit? Or are you Oneness?

There are many places in scripture where it commends honor to the Father or to the Son, but nowhere does it say the same with regards to the Spirit (that I am aware of).
---StrongAxe on 10/21/15


Monk Brendan I honored the God who created heaven and earth and His son because he died for my sins but honestly the Bible tells us there will be one throne in heaven and one sits on that throne God. The Holy ghost is in me and is my teacher, empowerment,comforter he is part of the Trinity God,Jesus,Holy Ghost and Jesus said these three are one. When you honor one you honor them all. Hope that answers your question. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/21/15


Monk_Brendan wrote: "According to Investopia,.. The Los Angeles Times..."

And you believe these two sources? Amazing! Not many researchers trust these two.

Monk_Brendan wrote: "The seventeen trillion dollar figure you quoted is the US national debt."

The US national debt wasn't that much during the two years we did our investigation, 2000 to 2003.
---Steveng on 10/21/15


Darlene said, "The only honored one should be God Almighty/ Jesus Christ,King of Kings and Lord of Lords."

What? No honor to the Holy Spirit? Or are you Oneness?

The saints--including Mary, receive veneration while God in Three Persons receives worship. They are different verbs. One is venerate--as you would an old, wise, uncle who has money. Worship--is due only to God.

In Revelations 19:20 At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus."

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/21/15


\\Cluny I read those chapters you gave me and no where did I see Paul say that everyone can't minister in healing etc.\\

Did you read the verses that say, "Do all prophecy? Do all speak in tongues?" et al?

These rhetorical question clearly expect a negative answer.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/21/15




\\ ... countless millions the Catholics killed during the dark ages, \\

Name one, Trav.

\\I love my Catholic friends but I hate the Catholic church. It is the "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
Rome is the great harlot, what does that make her Protestant daughters?
---Cluny on 10/20/

Put your monocle on cluny. TREY wrote the above. Appears he is correct.

What does that make Protestants that escaped? Blessed, "seeing", "hearing", "Sheep", intelligent, "elect", "narrow way" travelers.
Mat_7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, few there be that find it.
---Trav on 10/21/15


Steven G. said, "As an investigative reporter I have contacts throughout the world....plus the Vatican brings in eight billion dollars a year."

According to Investopia, "Currently, the Holy See is running a deficit. The Los Angeles Times Reports that the Holy See had a shortfall of $18.4 million in 2012. Officials blamed the soft European economy and the cost of paying its 2,832 employees, as well as spreading the Catholic faith through its various media outlets."

I have done rigorous research on the amount of money the Vatican has, and what it does not have. The seventeen trillion dollar figure you quoted is the US national debt.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/21/15


Cluny I read those chapters you gave me and no where did I see Paul say that everyone can't minister in healing etc..The Bible says we are all given the Gifts of the Spirit according to God's will he distributes them to whom so ever He wills. The proof of God's use of all His servants who obey is the fact He uses both male and female to serve in the Gifts. The Bible say there's no male or female in God/Christ. We are all the same. If you refer to the thing about husbands and wives all a wife needs is her husbands agreement for her to serve God in the manner God chooses. I frankly didn't understand what you were getting at because I saw no where Paul told anyone they couldn't obey God and pray for people. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/21/15


Just to remind you a person who tries to or talks to dead people whether in heaven or hell is called a Necromancer and it is firmly forbidden by the Bible. The only honored one should be God Almighty/ Jesus Christ,King of Kings and Lord of Lords. There is no knowledge in the grave and the spirit of life goes back to God who gave it as soon as we die therefore it seems that the only ones who talk to people are Satan's henchmen, famillar spirits. Besides the Bible plainly says there is no intercessor between God and man but God's son,Jesus. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/21/15


From Catholic Answers.

"If you took your parishs catechism classes when you were growing up, you at least remember that there are two kinds of grace, sanctifying and actual."

The works of the saints are a repository of the Actual if I got it clearly. They can be used by the Pope and Bishops to get people out of purgatory earlier.

This is not a Biblical doctrine.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/21/15


Mark Eaton said, "Don't you refer to people with the word "Saint" in front of their name and even have definitions for what qualifies a person for "sainthood"."

All of the people in heaven are saints. The Church has defined who is in heaven. Except for those saints, we don't know for sure about anyone else. We can make some assumptions, but we can't be sure.

Pray for me!
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/21/15


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On earth there is no division of believer. The Church has declared that certain people are in heaven, and that they should be asked for intercessory prayer, and given the honor due them.
---Monk_Brendan on 10/16/15

Don't you refer to people with the word "Saint" in front of their name and even have definitions for what qualifies a person for "sainthood".

I see this as separation of believers, of respecting one person above another.

Nearly all the Epistles in the NT refer to their audience as "saints" and Paul in more than one place says to us that we are called to be saints in Christ Jesus. Therefore, calling only a select few "saints" seems unbiblical to me.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/21/15


\\Cluny Thanks for the verse in 1 Corinthians 11:14\\

Darlene, I didn't say, 1 Cor 11:14. I said 11-14, in other words, chapters 11 through 14.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/20/15


Monk_Brendan wrote: "Exactly where did you find this idea?"

As an investigative reporter I have contacts throughout the world. We mostly contact each other using ham radio. It took a co-reporter and myself two years to get this information, plus the Vatican brings in eight billion dollars a year.

Monk_Brendan wrote: "Your eyes are showing the green of envy, Steven. Repent"

You assume much and spread gossip by posting something you don't know about. I'm not boasting just stating a fact to refute your false accusation, but I lead a very simple lifestyle and give away over half of my pay to homeless and needy in my area.
---Steveng on 10/20/15


Cluny Thanks for the verse in 1 Corinthians 11:14 but it must be the wrong one or I just don't see the connection to what I said. Jesus gave us the go ahead to pray for people and he would heal and give miracles in John 14:12 He that believes on me,the works which I do shall he do also:and greater works than these shall he do:because I go to the Father. God would never give Peter the right or power to over rule Jesus. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/20/15


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I know thousands of Catholics were murdered during the Middle ages. But mostly by Pagans.

The RCC did institute crusades and the inquisitions to murder those they disagreed with such as Cathars, Waldensians and other protestants.

But I earlier pointed out that the Pope claim to be the only Vicar of Jesus has not been answered. You Cluny must admit that is a false claim.

You have a point about the priests. Each believer is a priest for all believers are priests. But trained priests have a place also. We just call them preachers or shepherds.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/20/15


//He can start a NEW PRIESTHOOD don't you think?//
Or he can finish the priesthood he started with Israel
Ex. 19: 6 And ye SHALL BE unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of ISRAEL.
1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy NATION, a peculiar people
---michael_e on 10/20/15


\\ "Not to mention the countless millions the Catholics killed during the dark ages, \\

Name one, Trav.

\\I love my Catholic friends but I hate the Catholic church. It is the "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
\

If Rome is the great harlot, what does that make her Protestant daughters?

The Bible says that no bastard shall enter into the congregation of the Lord.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/20/15


Steven G. said,"3. Worldly wealth (a whole lot more than seventeen trillion dollars as of 2005)."

Exactly where did you find this idea?

I will admit that the Church holds a lot of wealth--the Pieta alone is worth millions, but most of the wealth of the Church is held in trust for the rest of humanity. Most of it is free (or at a minimal cost) to see, as well. But trillions of dollars?

Your eyes are showing the green of envy, Steven. Repent

Matt 23:25 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence."

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/19/15


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Apostles, prophets, priests, teachers, workers of miracles, healers, helps, governments: one does not need to be a member of a worldly denominational "church" to take on these titles, but all these are offices of christions who belong to the true church of God.
---Steveng on 10/19/15


Trey said, "Not to mention the countless millions the Catholics killed during the dark ages, 6,427 clerics as of March of 2014 have been credibly accused of sexually abusing minors in the United States alone.

I love my Catholic friends but I hate the Catholic church. It is the "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."


Read what Bp. Fulton Sheen said again. It is the misconceptions of people.

How many Protestant ministers have been charged with sexual abuse recently? More than Catholic clergy!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/19/15


Some think they are Israel and that their authority comes from Peter. So, it's not a shock that they have priests, onfessionals, and absolution.
Of course, the Church is not Israel and Peter was not ordained the apostle to the Gentiles (Gal 2:7-9 , Rom 11:13 ), but why quibble over such things as right division.---michael_e on 10/18/15

We quibble when some believe Moses has more Authority than Jesus.

Since Jesus gave Peter the keys Matthew 16 and told him "WHATEVER YOU BIND ON EARTH IS BOUND IN HEAVEN (as the opposite said by Jesus as well.)

So, Jesus is a Jew and since HE is God, He can start a NEW PRIESTHOOD don't you think?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/19/15


God told Israel to ordain priests to whom men confessed sins for forgiveness (Lev 5:5-6). Men came to John the Baptist confessing sins (Mat 3:6 ) God in Christ ordained authority for the apostles to forgive sins also(John 20:23 )
Some think they are Israel and that their authority comes from Peter. So, it's not a shock that they have priests, onfessionals, and absolution.
Of course, the Church is not Israel and Peter was not ordained the apostle to the Gentiles (Gal 2:7-9 , Rom 11:13 ), but why quibble over such things as right division.
---michael_e on 10/18/15


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Steveng:

You wrote: If the head of the RCC is to set an example of Jesus why doesn't he do the miracles of Jesus and the apostles?

Because the haters get you either way. 2000 years ago, Jesus came eating and drinking, and the Pharisees called him a glutton and drinkard. John came neither eating nor drinking, and the Pharisees called him possessed. Today, if someone comes without signs, he can be accused of lacking in power and authority, while if he comes with signs, he can be accused of witchcraft.

(There are many popular preachers and televangelists who appear to manifest "signs and wonders", yet also display characteristics of false prophets, so the last accusation above is not always without merit.)
---StrongAxe on 10/18/15


\\That isn't the Bible,we are all made the servants of God and,when filled with the Holy Ghost we are all empowered to do the healing and miracles as Christ did. \\

St. Paul rebukes this statement of yours in 1 Cor 11-14.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/18/15


Yes, Cluny, some Indian mystics are able also to read souls.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/18/15


Common Sense tells us that Jesus set up the Sacrament of Confession.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/18/15

What I gave you in Matt 18 was another passage where Jesus tells the Apostles about forgiving sins. And the Matt 18 passage was before the John 20 passage.

The John 20 passage was built on the knowledge Jesus gave to the Apostles in Matt 18, which is that we are to forgive sins committed against us personally, regardless of how many times others sin against us.

Neither passage set up the Sacrament of Confession or the absolution of sins by the Apostles.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/18/15


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\\How are the Apostles capable of knowing 1st what the sin of a person? (No reading mind powers given by Jesus)\\

Well, Nicole, you should not have to be told that some very holy confessors (Padre Pio comes to mind) were given the ability to tell the penitents their sins.

I've had that experience, myself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/18/15


Michaele, Priests are PRESBYTERS. Priests isn't used not to CONFUSE Jewish's Priests with the New Priests of Jesus.

Acts 15:6 The Apostles and the presbyters met together...

Paul to 1Tim 4:14 Do not neglect the gift you have which was conferred on you through the prophetic word with the IMPOSITION OF HANDS of the PRESBYTERATE.
AKA Ordination: RCC/Orthodox

1Tim 5:17 Presbyters who PRESIDE well double honor, especially those who toil in preaching and teaching. AKA Priests

James, not Paul uses the same word James5:14
He should summon the PRESBYTERS OF THE CHURCH [AKA RCC], and they should pray over him and ANOINT him with oil in the name of the Lord.
AKA Sacrament of the Sick: Catholics and Orthodox
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/18/15


Worth repeating. The "wrongs" of the catholic church which are NOT perceived:

1. As for the RCC, the RCC has been trying to bring together all deniminations.

2. Pictures, statues, relic worship of the past saints.

3. Worldly wealth (a whole lot more than seventeen trillion dollars as of 2005).

4. The Rosery and the repetition of prayers.

5. The signing of the cross.

6. The belief of purgatory.

7. The practice of unction.

8. The practice of the eucharist.

9. Praying to dead people including Mary and the saints.

If the head of the RCC is to set an example of Jesus why doesn't he do the miracles of Jesus and the apostles?
---Steveng on 10/18/15


Absolution of sin by priests. YES SET UP BY JESUS WRITTEN BY JOHN
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/15/15

Yes, we see Jesus in John 20:23 saying "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them..."
But what does this mean?---Mark_Eaton on 10/16/15

Mark, thank you for answering.
But please stay on this verse.

How are the Apostles capable of knowing 1st what the sin of a person? (No reading mind powers given by Jesus)

2nd Why did Jesus say they can REFUSE to forgive a sin?

Common Sense tells us that Jesus set up the Sacrament of Confession.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/18/15


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Paul never mentions priests, as there are none in boC.
Peter does writing to Israel, to be a nation of priests.
Gal 2:9 James, Cephas, and John went to the circumcision, Paul and Barnabas should go to the heathen.
1 Peter 2:9 " a royal priesthood, an holy nation.." (Ref. Ex 19:6)
Which is still future
---michael_e on 10/17/15


"Where does the Bible say that Priests are given special powers that ordinary Christians to not possess?" - Jed

Paul and Peter were gifted for ruling the church. And Paul appointed men to ordain qualified men to pastor > 1 Timothy 3:1-10, Titus 1:5-9. But these qualified men are not only gifted, but mature Christians, proven in their own homes, first, to see if they can take care of people in our Father's family caring and sharing way.

So, there was a hierarchy > and consider Hebrews 13:17.

But I can't tell you that the Roman Catholic Church has obeyed Paul's apostolic authority and standards for who qualifies to be a pastor.

By the way, Peter calls us "a royal priesthood", in 1 Peter 2:9.
---Bill on 10/17/15


Where does the Bible say that Priests are given special powers that ordinary Christians to not possess?
---Jed on 10/17/15


\\Paul never spoke of "priests" .\\

But St. Peter and St. James spoke of "presvyteroi". The English word "priest" is a contraction of the Biblical Greek word through the middle English form "prester". Cf with the French PRETRE. (There should an accent of some sort here, but I don't know where or what kind.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/17/15


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Not to mention the countless millions the Catholics killed during the dark ages, 6,427 clerics as of March of 2014 have been credibly accused of sexually abusing minors in the United States alone.

I love my Catholic friends but I hate the Catholic church. It is the "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
---trey on 10/17/15


I am not prejudice against any church but I dislike the attitude of puffed up men who feel they are a special servant,priest,vicar or whatever they call themselves of God. That isn't the Bible,we are all made the servants of God and,when filled with the Holy Ghost we are all empowered to do the healing and miracles as Christ did. The Bible tells all us to not think more highly of ourselves than we should,and I say,because none are special we are all vessels for Gods use,only His servants and He alone we obey. Be no respecter of persons the Bible tells us. That is saying don't put them on a high place for they are only humans. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/17/15


Sorry Bill I was paraphrasing the History site that spoke on the Pope.

Also oops. It was Pope Benedict in 2007 who I was referencing.
The Anticohian Orthodox church published a response to the position that the Pope was the only Vicar of Christ. And that the RCC was the only true apostolic church.
For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise. [Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition (Washington, DC: US Catholic Conference, 1994, 1997) #882.]
---Samuelbb7 on 10/17/15


If the pope has the authority on earth why doesn't he perform the miracles Jesus and the apostles did?
---Steveng on 10/16/15


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"All Bishops were the vicar of Christ and even applied to priests."

Paul never spoke of "priests" . . . but he did write to "bishops and deacons" (Philippians 1:1). And "a bishop" (1 Timothy 3:1-10) was one who was qualified to "take care of the church of God". So, he was a pastor, I consider.


"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3)

"When the Pope took it to mean he was the only one then it helped lead to the split of the church."

If he was trying to lord it over, that was not scriptural . . . not part of the obedient succession.
---Bill on 10/17/15


Bill:

You wrote: But the Corinthians who had been so sinning then repented and were corrected.

I wasn't talking about those who were reproved and accepted such reproof. That is how the church is SUPPOSED to work.

I was talking about Paul's warning about false preachers, those who preach false gospels, those who preach out of a desire of personal greed, and Jesus's mention of Jezebel and the Nicolaitans.
---StrongAxe on 10/17/15


\\The Pope was not labeled Vicar de Filli Dei until the fifth century....\\

Actually, the Pope was NEVER labeled "Vicar de Filli Dei"--properly "Vicarius Filii Dei"--at all. This is an example what what one person called "pope fiction."

It was the Emperor who was called Vicarius Christi originally, not the pope or bishops, though ALL Orthodox bishops are successors of the Apostles.

\\The pope which recently restated this doctrine says he is the only Representative of GOD on earth and all power to earth flows through him.
\\

Who is the "which recently restated this doctrine"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/17/15


Cluny we recognize that the SDA church is part of the Protestant reformation. We didn't establish the canon, the PreSchism church did.

But since the RCC didn't set the Canon why should I believe and follow the lie that they did?

The Pope was not labeled Vicar de Filli Dei until the fifth century and even then did not give it the connotation it has been given by the RCC today.

All Bishops were the vicar of Christ and even applied to priests. When the Pope took it to mean he was the only one then it helped lead to the split of the church.

The pope which recently restated this doctrine says he is the only Representative of GOD on earth and all power to earth flows through him.

That is a false doctrine.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/16/15


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\\Conversely, it was the Jews that gave us the Old Testament, but we don't all go and become Jews as a result.
---StrongAxe on 10/16/15
\\

The SDA tries to have it both ways.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/16/15


Mark Eaton said, "Divisions of Believers"

On earth there is no division of believer. The Church has declared that certain people are in heaven, and that they should be asked for intercessory prayer, and given the honor due them.

"The Pope has the authority of Christ on Earth."

This is flat out wrong. The Church has the authority of Jesus, not any one man. If you are thinking about Papal infallibility, well, the Pope is infallible only under very certain circumstances, He cannot just open his mouth and say 2+2=5, and make that statement stick. He can (and does) make mistakes. Papal infallibility has been used THREE times in the past 2000 years

the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/16/15


"Bill:

You said: Jesus makes even His 'sheep' able to . . . smell . . . the difference > I offer John 10:1-30.

Apparently not well enough, because even during recorded New Testament times, there were already strifes, sects, heresies, and false prophets and teachers that were deceiving many - enough so that Paul had to warn about them, and Jesus himself warned about them in Revelation."

But the Corinthians who had been so sinning then repented and were corrected. Also, Paul says "divisions" could be used to see who were "approved" and who were false > 1 Corinthians 11:18-19 < the divisions could "help" the obedient ones to spot who was "approved" and who wasn't (c:
---Bill on 10/16/15


we see how such numbers of people could not tell the difference between a real pastor and a predator...
Jesus makes even His "sheep" able to . . . smell . . . the difference > I offer John 10:1-30.
---Bill on 10/16/15

Predators...Wolves...hmmmm. Very observant Bill.
This cult just keeps eating the sheep, goats that will kiss/submit to the scarlet hand.
Joh_10:12 he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: the wolf catcheth them, scattereth the sheep.
Joh_10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Unfortunately even the denom preachers are "hirelings" by mark and sign.
---Trav on 10/16/15


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Bill:

You said: Jesus makes even His "sheep" able to . . . smell . . . the difference > I offer John 10:1-30.

Apparently not well enough, because even during recorded New Testament times, there were already strifes, sects, heresies, and false prophets and teachers that were deceiving many - enough so that Paul had to warn about them, and Jesus himself warned about them in Revelation.


Cluny:

You said: Was it the SDA church that gave us the Bible? If not, why are you a member of it?

Conversely, it was the Jews that gave us the Old Testament, but we don't all go and become Jews as a result.
---StrongAxe on 10/16/15


Cluny thanks for the verse but it wasn't that one. As for getting it from the RCC that is a positive no I have never learned from the RCC. What I said was paraphrased I'm sure but the meaning I wished to convey is the same and when I am able I will find it sorry I didn't find it before I wrote it but I've been getting weaker and weaker all year and I'm just not up to a lot of research. Please pray the doctors find out whats wrong with me and it can be treated. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/16/15


Monk, the Roman Catholic Church has not functioned as Jesus Christ's church >

not obeying Paul's standards for who qualifies just to be considered to be a pastor > 1 Timothy 3:1-10

the so-called First Epistle of Clement has standards which even popes have not met, in past Roman Catholic history > and there was no apostolic authority functional to remove them

and now we see how such numbers of people could not tell the difference between a real pastor and a predator > even seminary screeners and bishops ordaining fooled themselves, and ones higher-up selected such unqualified men to select and ordain false candidates

Jesus makes even His "sheep" able to . . . smell . . . the difference > I offer John 10:1-30.
---Bill on 10/16/15


Absolution of sin by priests. YES SET UP BY JESUS WRITTEN BY JOHN
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/15/15

Yes, we see Jesus in John 20:23 saying "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them..."

But what does this mean?

Peter in Matt 18 asked Jesus "how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him?". Jesus told Peter seventy times seven. Did that give Peter the ability to forgive all sins? No. It gave Peter the ability to forgive the sins committed against Peter.

According to Hebrews 9-10, Jesus sacrifice was for the sins of all for all time. All sin has been forgiven by God, but only when we call upon the name of the Lord do we appropriate that forgiveness.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/16/15


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\\The RCC say they gave us the Bible. But that is a lie. \\

Was it the SDA church that gave us the Bible? If not, why are you a member of it?

Glory to Jessus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/16/15


OTOH, the doctrine of once saved always saved has led to immorality among Protestant clergy, some of which I can tell you about here, other examples Brendan can.
---Cluny on 10/15/15

Perhaps you should open a blog for the Errors of Protestant theology.

As others have said, I love my brothers and sisters in Christ who attend the RCC. I have fought against many in Protestant churches who say that the RCC is a cult. I believe it to be full of real Believers in Christ and have worked side by side with RCC members in many volunteer efforts.

But, we do see dimly in this body and have varied opinions on items of doctrine. I have listed what I see as errors in RCC doctrine.

I am sure that my theology has errors.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/16/15


Who do you think does. You?
---Cluny on 10/15/15

Yes, and you do also.

2 Pet. 1:20 "knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation"

The verse from Peter uses the word "private" meaning one's own. But cannot this be applied to anyone, institutions also? The opposite of private is public, and I believe we need a public understanding of the Scriptures, not a private one of mine, or yours, or the RCC.

Which is why I do not support only one entity having the authority to interpret Scripture.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/16/15


Correct Cluny We should make sure what the RCC teaches and dispute that, not lies about them or other churchs.

The RCC say they gave us the Bible. But that is a lie.

When the Bible was established there was no RCC or Orthodox. It was the PreSchism church.

So the Orthodox churches and the RCC did not exist until 1054 as seperate entities. So the statement one of them gave us the Bible is a lie. Based on history and the facts. That should not be in dispute.

You have to deny the facts to get any other view.

I have found some who speak of the Eastern and Western rites of the one church. That is the only even remote statement that puts any difference.

The PreSchism churc established the Canon.
Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/16/15


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Veneration of Mary to be equal to Jesus. NO, YOU DON'T YOUR TERM. ONLY ADORATION BELONGS TO JESUS. WE ADORE HIM ALONE.

Prayers to dead saints. NOT DEAD.
Divisions of Believers????? (Saints / everyone else)

Catholic Church is the only true church NO,ORTHODOX CHURCH HAVE THE 7 SACRAMENTS

Only the Catholic Church has the authority to interpret Scripture. NO WHY WOULD YOU LIE? THE RCC COMPILED THE BOOK.

The Pope has the authority of Christ on Earth. VICAR IS A BETTER WORD.

Tradition is equal to Scripture. SCRIPTURE CAME OUT OF TRADITION. NOT ENOUGH BOOKS TO CONTAIN JESUS LAST CH OF JOHN

Absolution of sin by priests. YES SET UP BY JESUS WRITTEN BY JOHN
Infant baptism. YES
---Mark_Eaton on 10/15/15
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/15/15


Cluny:

You said: The child abuse scandal happened not because of the teaching of the Catholic Church BUT DESPITE IT.

That is irrelevnat to why people hate the Church. When authorized Church representatives commit offenses against an individual, it is irrelevant to that individual whether such offenses were authorized or not. They were allowed to happen.

In law, this is res ipso loquitur. E.g. if a barrel falls out of a factory window and hits you in the head, it's irrelevant WHY (the company wanted you dead, an employee hates you, an employee was negligent, the company had no safety protocols, or just an accident). It should never have happened in the first place, and the company is still liable.
---StrongAxe on 10/15/15


I do not understand people's wishes to prove other people wrong.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/15/15


Darlene1, what the Bible actually says is this: "Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them."

Now make sure that what you are talking about is what the Catholic Church actually teaches, and NOT what sinners do despite the official teaching.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/16/15


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You skipped these points.

Prayers to dead saints.
Divisions of Believers

The Pope has the authority of Christ on Earth.
Tradition is equal to Scripture.
Absolution of sin by priests.
Mark_Eaton

These are true statements about the RCC.

I don't hate the RCC. There are some leaders there and in their past I admire. They don't teach the Bible correctly. Their false teachings need to be shown as being incorrect.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 10/15/15


\\There are probably many more than a hundred who hate the Catholic Church, not for what it is, but for what it has done to them personally, ...
\\

The child abuse scandal happened not because of the teaching of the Catholic Church BUT DESPITE IT.

OTOH, the doctrine of once saved always saved has led to immorality among Protestant clergy, some of which I can tell you about here, other examples Brendan can.

The cover-up had a good motive--to protect the reputations of all involved, both the accused and the victim. It turned out to be the wrong thing. But there are coverups among Protestants, too.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/15/15


Strongaxe said, "There are probably many more than a hundred who hate the Catholic Church, not for what it is, but for what it has done to them personally, whether directly, or indirectly (e.g. to their loved ones). For example, in the child abuse scandals (where frequently a priest would add insult to injury by telling children their souls would be imperiled if they told anyone), or the Church's cover-up response to such scandals."

I make no apologies for the wrongs done by clergy, whether Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant. What I personally believe should be their punishment could get me thrown in jail for hate speech.

Thank God it is getting cleared up!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/15/15


Cluny:

You wrote:
Don't you think that YOUR church is the only true church? If not, why are you a member of it.


Paul said we see through a glass darkly. Many believe that ALL churches, being composed of imperfect human beings, get many things right, but some things wrong. So it's a matter of chosing which wrong things are an acceptable compromise, and that's largely a matter of personal taste.

Mark_Eaton listed: Only the Catholic Church has the authority to interpret Scripture.

You replied: Who do you think does. You?

Some believe that all believers have the authority to interpret scriptures for themselves (and thus, nobody has the authority to interpret it for everyone else.
---StrongAxe on 10/15/15


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I was brought up Roman Catholic. Things I was told helped me to know there is God and I will answer to Him. And this helped to keep me from becoming a mass casualty terrorist for revenge because dogs can't go to church and any stray doggies would not wait outside for me to finish Mass.

boo-hoo . . . talk about a social loser

But Roman Catholic people taught me enough about right from wrong, so I did not get myself killed or put in prison for life, and so I could be alive long enough to one day trust in Jesus.

So, it was kind of like how the Law of Moses helped to escort people to Jesus. But Jesus does so much more for us (c:
---Bill on 10/15/15


First of all, the true church of God is not a building or a denomination, it does not have worldly wealth. The true church of God ARE the christians.

1. As for the RCC, the RCC has been trying to bring together all deniminations.

2. Statues, relic worship of the past saints.

3. Worldly wealth (a whole lot more than seventeen trillion dollars as of 2005).

4. The Rosery and the repetition of prayers.

5. The signing of the cross.

6. The belief of purgatory.

7. The practice of unction.

8. The practice of the eucharist.

9. Praying to dead people including Mary and the saints.
---Steveng on 10/15/15


\\Catholic Church is the only true church.\\

Don't you think that YOUR church is the only true church? If not, why are you a member of it. It's got to be out there somewhere, according to the promise of Christ.

\\Only the Catholic Church has the authority to interpret Scripture.\\

Who do you think does. You?

\\The Pope has the authority of Christ on Earth.\\

I believe the Roman Catholic church sees papal authority differently from how you have expressed it here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/15/15


There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.

There are probably many more than a hundred who hate the Catholic Church, not for what it is, but for what it has done to them personally, whether directly, or indirectly (e.g. to their loved ones). For example, in the child abuse scandals (where frequently a priest would add insult to injury by telling children their souls would be imperiled if they told anyone), or the Church's cover-up response to such scandals.

which provokes Romans 2:24:
For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through YOU, as it is written.
---StrongAxe on 10/15/15


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I think better to look for commonalities than differences.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/15/15


\\Veneration of Mary to be equal to Jesus.
\\

I know this is not a teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.

As regards infant baptism, I have talked about its rationale elsewhere. However ancient churches that have had no connection with Rome also baptize infants, so you can't blame this one on Catholics.

Maybe one time I'll talk about the Jewish antecedents of immersing Gentile children in the mikveh to convert them to Judaism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/15/15


what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.
---Monk_Brendan on 10/15/15


Here are a few of what I believe to be errors within the Catholic Church:

Veneration of Mary to be equal to Jesus.
Prayers to dead saints.
Divisions of Believers (Saints / everyone else)
Catholic Church is the only true church.
Only the Catholic Church has the authority to interpret Scripture.
The Pope has the authority of Christ on Earth.
Tradition is equal to Scripture.
Absolution of sin by priests.
Infant baptism.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/15/15


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