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Is there any valid reason to doubt the historical accuracy of the 6-day Creation of the Bible?

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Nicole, who decides what is poetic and what isn't?---john1944

The Jews.

It was given to them wasn't it?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/11/15


\\If it walks like a Darwinist and quacks like a Darwinist, then it must BE a Darwinist.\\

A core feature of Darwinism is that mutations are random.

I do not believe that anything God does is random.

Ergo, I'm not a Darwinist.

OTOH, if she talks like a wizard that peeps and mutters and quacks like a wizard that peeps and mutters and lays an egg like a wizard that peeps and mutters, then she must be a wizard that peeps and mutters.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/11/15


Nicole, who decides what is poetic and what isn't?
---john1944 on 11/11/15


Michael: Well said! What earthly reason would a supposed Christian have to try and force-fit his long age theories into the Bible if not to allow for Darwinism? The Theory of Evolution requires long ages for its nonsense operating principle(s). As you pointed out, no such paradigm existed in the Christian community until the time of Lyell and Darwin.

If it walks like a Darwinist and quacks like a Darwinist, then it must BE a Darwinist.



---jerry6593 on 11/11/15


WRONG:

If one is to take Genesis one literally, one must take the whole package literally and not pick and choose what's literal.--john1944 on 11/10/15

If you knew your Bible you would know Genesis both literally and poetry.

Jewish Scholars acknowledge that point.

Remember, the book of Genesis is Jewish Scripture.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/11/15




If one is to take Genesis one literally, one must take the whole package literally and not pick and choose what's literal.
---john1944 on 11/10/15


\\But all of these theories need the Bible to be "re-interpreted" from it's original and understood meanings\\

Like how Protestants do with "This is My Body" and John 6?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/10/15


Long ages and Darwinism are separate theories, but Darwinism relies on long ages.
Long ages are also relied upon by the day-age, progressive creation, and gap theories.
There are many groups that believe in long ages that do not believe in Darwinism.
But all of these theories need the Bible to be "re-interpreted" from it's original and understood meanings. The word here is eisegesis, putting one's thoughts or ideas into Scripture, rather than exegesis, having Scripture shape or thoughts and ideas.
It has been understood for millennia that the Earth is under 10k years old. Only in the last 200 years has the Earth been thought of in long ages, other than pagan ideas of an eternal earth.
---micha9344 on 11/10/15


\\Let go of Darwin!\\

Has it not sunk into you yet that I'm not a Darwinist?

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/10/15


cluny: "jerry, what have you created ex nihilo in six days?"

Nothing. Why do you ask? God alone is the Creator.

Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done, he commanded, and it stood fast.

Do you think that God had a speech impediment that it took Him millions of years to get the words out? Let go of Darwin! He can't save you!



---jerry6593 on 11/10/15




monk: "BTW, if God did not create the sun and moon and stars until the third day, where was the light coming from?"

I think I've spotted your problem. You apparently have a defective Bible. My Bible says that God created the sun, etc. on the fourth day - not the third day as you stated. Now I have a question for you:

Since (according to the Bible) God created vegetation on the third day, how did this vegetation survive for millions of years without a sun?




---jerry6593 on 11/10/15


jerry, what have you created ex nihilo in six days?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/9/15


Jerry said, "But if the time is different than God recorded with His own finger, then God is wrong and (at least) that part of the Bible is wrong. And if that part is wrong, then how can you trust any of it. You are on a slippery slope, IMHO."

The point I have been trying to get across to you is that it is the same miraculous work of creation no matter how long or short the time was.

BTW, if God did not create the sun and moon and stars until the third day, where was the light coming from?

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/9/15


monk: "And it doesn't matter one whit to me if God did the whole job in 6 Plank time units, 6 days, or 4.5 billion years."

But if the time is different than God recorded with His own finger, then God is wrong and (at least) that part of the Bible is wrong. And if that part is wrong, then how can you trust any of it. You are on a slippery slope, IMHO.


---jerry6593 on 11/9/15


/You don't remember?\-Nicole_Lacey on 11/2/15
Well, yes. I was wondering how the months came in play.
We were discussing days and hours.
As for the months, Israel set their months from new moon to new moon. ---micha9344 on 11/3/15

Okay, MY MISTAKE.

I am still not clear on how you believe 12 hours for night and day.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/8/15


Genesis 1 states that God created the earth and he put a firmament (dome) up above and stuck the stars, moon and sun in it. This is what it says in Genesis so if the six days are literal, then the dome above the earth is also literal. Everything is literal. And a dome covers, it doesn't surround. So the earth can't be spherical.
---john1944 on 11/8/15


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Jerry said, "I still find it interesting that you fight so hard for Mr. Darwin to be right and God to be wrong.

The length of a day argument (as we both know) is merely a desperate attempt to fit Darwinism into the Bible."


You have me wrong, Jerry, I am no fan of Darwin. I do believe that species can evolve over time, but I also believe that this is a mechanism that God built into the various animal and vegetable species. And it doesn't matter one whit to me if God did the whole job in 6 Plank time units, 6 days, or 4.5 billion years. It is His creation, no matter how long it took, and He did not consult me on any of it.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/8/15


monk: I meant no disrespect by not answering for a while. I was on a week long vacation with my wife and son. They need my attention also.

I still find it interesting that you fight so hard for Mr. Darwin to be right and God to be wrong.

The length of a day argument (as we both know) is merely a desperate attempt to fit Darwinism into the Bible. But it doesn't fit. Whether you fight for a 24 hr. day or a 23 hr. day or even a 1000 year day, done of them are sufficient to allow the enormous time (4.5 Billion years) required for Darwinism to allegedly work.

So, why expend all your credibility on a fool's errand?


---jerry6593 on 11/8/15


Genesis 1 states that God created the earth and he put a firmament (dome) up above and stuck the stars and moon in it. This is what it says in Genesis so if the six days are literal, then the dome above the earth is also literal. Everything is literal. And a dome covers, it doesn't surround. So the earth can't be spherical.
---john1944 on 11/7/15


Jerry, you still haven't answered my question. "Was the day the normal 24 hour day? Or was it Sidereal Time, A mean sidereal day is 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4.0916 seconds (23.9344699 hours or 0.99726958 mean solar days), the time it takes the Earth to make one rotation relative to the vernal equinox."

Listen to the silence, folks.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/7/15


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/You don't remember?\-Nicole_Lacey on 11/2/15
Well, yes. I was wondering how the months came in play.
We were discussing days and hours.
As for the months, Israel set their months from new moon to new moon.
As you know, the new moon is on a different day each month of the Gregorian calendar.
Israel set their clock by the sun and set their date by the moon.
This is in reference to:
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
This was when man was able to measure it, although God had already established it on day 1 and man had still yet to be created.
---micha9344 on 11/3/15


Jerry said, "True, there were no wristwatches in ancient times, but there were evenings and mornings - .... Are you suggesting that the earth's rotation rate was once measured in millennia?"

Can you prove to me that it was not?

Because nobody was wearing a Timex, how could anyone measure the length of a day?

But I have a question for you. Was the day the normal 24 hour day? Or was it Sidereal Time, A mean sidereal day is 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4.0916 seconds (23.9344699 hours or 0.99726958 mean solar days), the time it takes the Earth to make one rotation relative to the vernal equinox.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/2/15


Micha, because you wrote on the 29th that Hebrew ALWAYS had a 12 hour day of light and darkness.

You don't remember?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/2/15


Nicole,
I'm not sure why you're bouncing between months and hours.
I will address the hours.
In the Hebrew timescale the daytime was broken in to 12 periods known as hours.
They didn't have minutes and seconds as we have today.
It didn't matter whether it was a long day or a short day, the hours were 12.
The night was broken into 4 watches, which could be broken into 3 hour segments, hence 12 hour nights.
For the Hebrew, the day was always 24 hours long.
But, this is semantic.
Given the fact that day 1 had 1 morning, 1 evening, 1 daytime, and 1 nighttime, it was a normal day, 1 rotation of the Earth.
Or do you believe God revolved the light around the Earth and didn't start Earth's rotation until later?
---micha9344 on 11/2/15


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I looked up the Hebrew Calendar.

Adar i is the leap month. Adar II is the regular one.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/1/15


Sorry, I got it WRONG and CONFUSED with another group.

Still no 12 hours of light/dark

The Jewish calendar is based on the lunar month, which is a bit longer than 29 days. Because of this, the months in the Jewish calendar are 29 or 30 days long. Twelve lunar months usually amounts to 354 days, 11 days short of a solar year. In order for the festivals to stay in the correct season in relation to the solar year, an extra month is added every few years.
A Hebrew month begins in the middle of a month on our calendar today. Crops were planted in what we would call November and December and harvested in March and April.- William Dumbrell.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/1/15


\\ Even the Hebrews have more than 12 months in the year. I believe they have 14 or 15 months.\\

Nicole, the Jewish religious calendar usually has 12 lunar months. Every few years there is a leap month (called Adar II, unless I'm mistaken).

I don't know the ins and outs of this, but surely it can be looked up.

They never had 14-15 months.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/15


Nicole: "Even the Hebrews have more than 12 months in the year. I believe they have 14 or 15 months."

Where did you get that? They had 12 months of 30 days each - a 360 day year.

Do you personally believe the historical accuracy of the literal 6-day Creation of the Bible?



---jerry6593 on 11/1/15


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FYI: The Hebrews always had a 24 hour day, 12 of light and 12 of darkness.---micha9344 on 10/29/15

Nope, I believe you are going by Roman's time table as when in Jesus time as written in the Gospels.

Please FYI the Hebrews 12 hour light and darkness?

Even the Hebrews have more than 12 months in the year. I believe they have 14 or 15 months.

12 months system is by the Roman Calendar.

I don't remember Genesis saying how long the night was nor the day light.

Today is day light saving time zone changing again. So, if the night is getting longer than day how is someone claiming 12 hours for each period?
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/31/15


cluny: "BTW, except for the Decalogue and doodling in the dust of the Temple in John 8, there's nowhere in the Bible that says God wrote ANYTHING."

So why don't YOU accept what He wrote in the Decalogue?


---jerry6593 on 10/31/15


monk: "4BC"?

True, there were no wristwatches in ancient times, but there were evenings and mornings - just as today. The ancients measured a day as the time between successive sunsets. Are you suggesting that the earth's rotation rate was once measured in millennia?

You must have missed this:

Psa 33:9 For he spake, and it was done, he commanded, and it stood fast.

Do you think that God has a speech impediment that He speaks very slowly?

Why are you so faithful to Darwin?


---jerry6593 on 10/30/15


Jerry said, "...Anyone who tries to say that God did not mean normal 24-hour days when He wrote Exo 20:8-11 is calling God a liar."

Where does it say that in the Bible? Men did not use a 24 hour clock in 4B.C.

"Anyone who claims that God did not instantly speak everything into existence is calling God a liar."

If God spoke everything into existence in an instant, then it didn't take Him six days, did it?

"Anyone who claims that God's Ten Commandments are not to be obeyed is calling God a liar."

And can you prove to me that I have ever broken any of God's commandments. You can't. Only God sees the heart.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/29/15


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Monk,

I apologize. I can tell that my post offended you. That was not my intention.

Sincerely,
---trey on 10/29/15


Terms:
Morning-dawn
Evening-dusk
Night-between dusk and dawn.
Day-between dawn and dusk.
Day-1 cycle of evening/night/morning/day.
Week- a period of 7 days.
God establishes all of these on creation week.
Context explicitly shows the definition needed for "day."
Day (daytime)
Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day...
Gen 1:5 God called the light Day...
Day (day/night cycle)
Genesis 7:10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.
Gen 1:5 ...So the evening and the morning were the first day.
FYI: The Hebrews always had a 24 hour day, 12 of light and 12 of darkness.
---micha9344 on 10/29/15


Okay, this is ridiculous.

Excellent Bible quotes??

None of those verses said the word 'normal'.

What is normal to you and normal to me?

Science CAN'T USE the word 'normal' because it is too VAGUE. Big to me isn't big to you.

That's why Science uses measurements

So please stop saying normal when I never seen that word in the Genesis or any other 72 other books in the Bible.
BTW including your 65 other books in the Bible.

Show me Scripture saying God's 6 days of creation is 24 hours each. You can't!

Monk gave excellent Bible quotes when he gave God's thinking of a normal day.

If you want to live by 'Only Scripture', PLEASE LIVE BY IT!

NO SCIENCE IN THAT PLAY BOOK OF YOURS!
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/29/15


micha9344: Excellent Bible quotes!



Monk: I still find it interesting that as a man of God, you question the tenets of the Bible, while as a scientist, I question the conclusions of contemporary science.



cluny: "BTW, except for the Decalogue and doodling in the dust of the Temple in John 8, there's nowhere in the Bible that says God wrote ANYTHING."

So why don't YOU accept what He wrote in the Decalogue?



---jerry6593 on 10/27/15


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/Where?\-Cluny on 10/26/15
You and Brendan understand what this says:
Exo 24:16 And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.
-But not this?:
Exo 31:17 It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
You understand this:
1Sa 17:16 And the Philistine drew near morning and evening, and presented himself forty days.
But not this?,
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
"Divine" days are just an excuse.
---micha9344 on 10/26/15


\\God could have, but He said He did it in 6 normal days.\\

Where?

And were they "normal for God" days or "normal for mortals" days?

BTW, except for the Decalogue and doodling in the dust of the Temple in John 8, there's nowhere in the Bible that says God wrote ANYTHING.

Try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/26/15


Micha said, "...God could have, but He said He did it in 6 normal days."

What do you mean by "normal?"

Just because we live inside a universe, on a planet that rotates once in 24 hours, and that western civilization has divided this 24 hour rotation into 86,400 brief periods of time we label seconds does not mean that God, Who lives outside of time, and Who said, "A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night," can't do the job in six brief flashes of dark and light, and call them days?

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/26/15


/What is being discussed is whether these were earthly days as humans experience them or divine days.\-Cluny on 10/25/15
-So Earth was created in 6 non-earthly days?
-God did write His word for man to read.
-And it reads-1 morning, 1 evening, a daytime, and a nighttime = 1 day.
He created the terminology for our use of a normal day, as well as our use of daytime, on day one.
/It is true that God, being God, could have formed all of the universe in 6 seconds, instead of 6 days or 14 billion years.\-Monk_Brendan on 10/25/15
-God could have, but He said He did it in 6 normal days.
-Grammatical context pans this out, whereas 6 seconds or 14 billion years requires eisegesis.
---micha9344 on 10/26/15


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Monk: "All I have tried to do is open someone's mind and make them think."

Me too. I find it interesting that as a man of God, you question the tenets of the Bible, while as a scientist, I question the conclusions of contemporary science.

Years ago, when I began to question the Darwinian paradigm, I began making a list of solid scientific proofs that contradict Darwinism. I had assembled quite a few, but then I discovered that someone else had beat me to it - and had done a much better job. Get the Evolution Handbook by Vance Ferrell (Amazon -$5).


---jerry6593 on 10/26/15


Trey said, "
Monk B,

In reading your posts I get the impression that you do not believe that God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days."


I never said that. All I have tried to do is open someone's mind and make them think.

It is true that God, being God, could have formed all of the universe in 6 seconds, instead of 6 days or 14 billion years.

I am trying to make people think. I have kept my own personal beliefs out of this.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/25/15


Creation hymn from the Vedas.

Order and truth were born from heat as it blazed up. From that was born night, from that heat was born the billowy ocean.

From the billowy ocean was born the year, that arranges days and nights, ruling over all that blinks its eyes.

The Arranger has set in their proper place the sun and moon, the sky and the earth, the middle realm of space, and finally the sunlight.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/25/15


\\In reading your posts I get the impression that you do not believe that God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days.\\

What is being discussed is whether these were earthly days as humans experience them or divine days.

It's a non-issue to me. However, the Genesis account is better compared and contrasted with the myths of surrounding contemporaneous cultures, rather than present scientific ideas (which always change as more information is gathered).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/25/15


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Yes, discussion of Christian cosmology is interesting.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/25/15


Monk B,

In reading your posts I get the impression that you do not believe that God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days.

IF you do not believe this, (not saying you do) then how can you say you believe anything the scriptures teach?

1Tim 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Tim 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

There is good science and false science.

I pray the Lord bless you.
---trey on 10/25/15


monk: "Are you calling GOD a liar?"

Absolutely not! Anyone who tries to say that God did not mean normal 24-hour days when He wrote Exo 20:8-11 is calling God a liar. Anyone who claims that God did not instantly speak everything into existence is calling God a liar. Anyone who claims that God's Ten Commandments are not to be obeyed is calling God a liar.

How about you?
---jerry6593 on 10/25/15


Jerry said, "Only if He were being intentionally deceitful. Remember, He was establishing OUR week for us. It makes no sense for Him to lie about it."

Are you calling GOD a liar? By His very nature, God cannot lie! OOooops!

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/24/15


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Monk: We are much alike. I was once steeped in the worldly mindset as you were - trained by the godless University Professors in the "sciences". But, when years later I began to study the Bible, the conflict between its precepts and those of the profs. became obvious. This was a great struggle for me to rationalize these disparate concepts. So after much prayer, I went to the library to research the foundation of the "scientific facts" I had been taught. I found that they were not "facts" at all, but rather childish conjecture based on invalid assumptions.

Don't take my word for it. Investigate the "science" for yourself.


---jerry6593 on 10/24/15


Jerry said, "I thought you were a monk, not a physicist like me."

I AM a monk. I was tonsured by Bp. Basil on October 12, 2001 in a private chapel. It was a long ceremony, and it involves incense, dropping scissors on the floor, and cutting a small lock of hair from front, back, right side, and left side of my head.

True, I used to be a jeweler. That was before I retired to get away from the noise and rush of the world. I also felt that God was calling me to a deeper, more prayerful life with him.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/22/15


/Both the big bang theory and Genesis 1 say the same things...Both agree the development was an orderly sequence of events.\-Cluny on 10/22/15
-They may say the same things in an orderly sequence, but they are vastly different on what and when.
BB says the Sun was first, then the Earth, then the Moon.
The Bible says Earth, then Sun and Moon.
Not to mention the Stars even before all of this by BB, but after Earth by the Bible.
Although both have a time-light problem, the problems each have are very dissimilar.
As much as BB can be compared to Creation, it also has as much, if not more, contrast.
Apples and Oranges are fruit, but we know the differences.
---micha9344 on 10/22/15


\\As for cosmology, the BB theory is all conjecture,\\

Is it? Both the big bang theory and Genesis 1 say the same things: there was NOTHING in the physical universe, and then there was Something.

Both agree the development was an orderly sequence of events.

BTW, Monk Brendan was a jeweler before he became a monk, and can probably tell you things about diamonds that you don't know.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/22/15


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monk: "Looking at the scientific, apparent age of the Earth and the universe, It does make sense."

Oh really! Which scientific methods do you prefer for dating the earth? U-Pb? K-Ar? Others? Do you understand the invalid assumptions made in their application? What about the C14 age of the fossil record? Or the C14 residual in diamonds.

As for cosmology, the BB theory is all conjecture, and is quite often self-contradicting. There is no single value of the Hubble "Constant", and the invention of "dark energy" to explain acceleration in star systems is pure magic - not science.

I thought you were a monk, not a physicist like me.



---jerry6593 on 10/22/15


Jerry said, "What is your reason for questioning it?"

Looking at the scientific, apparent age of the Earth and the universe, It does make sense. However, there are also these scriptures:

Ps 90:4 A thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night.

2Peter 3:8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

As God lives outside of time, He can do anything. I just refuse to worry about it. I know that God created the universe, whether it took 6 days or 14 billion years is immaterial. Just rejoice that He chose to create you.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/21/15


Monk & Cluny: Until the writings of Lyell and Darwin in the 19th century, no one questioned that God did indeed create in 6 literal ~24-hour days. What is your reason for questioning it?

Consider the scene on Mt. Sinai. God Himself writes on stone and speaks very loudly to several million Hebrews and Gentiles (mixed multitude) Commandments which He expects the hearers to obey. These include the working of 6 days and resting the 7th (in reference to the Creation). It is not logical to assume that He intended that the hearers assume He meant long ages.


---jerry6593 on 10/21/15


Jerry said, "Only if He were being intentionally deceitful. Remember, He was establishing OUR week for us. It makes no sense for Him to lie about it."

There is no place in the Bible that says that God was working with 24 hour days. None! It is your assumption of 24 hour days because that is what we have now.

But this is not up for debate. God can do anything, and He can make a day last for 6 hours and a night 29.9 minutes, and we cannot complain about it, because He is sovereign! If you want to complain, then talk to the One who started the whole thing anyway, and not to me.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/20/15


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\\Only if He were being intentionally deceitful. \\

Maybe you're the one misunderstanding Him.

\\Remember, He was establishing OUR week for us. It makes no sense for Him to lie about it.
\\

The week could simply reflect the process of creation (which even Genesis says was a sequence of events).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/20/15


Cluny: "But evenings and mornings are set by the light source."

I disagree. They are no more set each day by God than they are by the sun. It was the earth's rotation on day 4 that set the evening-morning cycle, so it stands to reason that the same would hold for days 1-3. Besides, a massive change in rotation rate would cause disastrous effects on the earth's surface.



Monk: "would it not follow that any day can be as long as He wants"

Only if He were being intentionally deceitful. Remember, He was establishing OUR week for us. It makes no sense for Him to lie about it.


---jerry6593 on 10/20/15


Cluny wrote: "But evenings and mornings are set by the light source.

And in God there is no darkness or shade of variation, so He was not the light source for days 1-3."

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God DIVIDED the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
---Steveng on 10/19/15


Jerry said, "As for your posit that "He could make each evening and morning period 500,000,000 years long", I see several problems with that.

1) He reiterates the Gen account in Exo 20 and commands rest on the 7th day - thus establishing our work week. We don't live long enough to get through 1 of your "long" days.

2) If you believe that He made vegetation on the 3rd day and it was followed by a "long" night, it wouldn't survive."


If, as you say and we both believe God works miracles, would it not follow that any day can be as long as He wants, and that vegetation--or man will survive under any adverse conditions if He wills it.

Pray for me!
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/19/15


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\\The period of the daily cycle is set by the earth's rotation - not the light source. God was apparently the source in days 1-3.\\

But evenings and mornings are set by the light source.

And in God there is no darkness or shade of variation, so He was not the light source for days 1-3.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/19/15


Cluny: "Then could the days not be supernatural as well?"

Not at all likely, since the six days of the Creation and the Sabbath Day of rest are used to define the week FOR US (as in Exo 20:8-11), and we could not apply a "supernatural" day or week to our lives.

"... days 1 & 2 could not have had "evening and mornings"."

Are you saying that the Bible is wrong in Gen 1:

Gen 1:5 ... And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 1:8 ... And the evening and the morning were the second day.

The period of the daily cycle is set by the earth's rotation - not the light source. God was apparently the source in days 1-3.


---jerry6593 on 10/19/15


\\ Creation was a supernatural event. \\

Then could the days not be supernatural as well?

Don't forget, the sun was not created until the third day, so days 1 & 2 could not have had "evening and mornings".

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/18/15


It took six leteral days to create the universe. God spoke everything into existence. How long would it take God to say, "The earth I will create." and it pops up. How long would it take God to say, "The stars I will create." and it pops up.

God worked through Jesus to perform all the miralces. Did Jesus have to wait six months for the water to turn to wine? How long would it have taken to heal the blind man (not our medical science today) in such a short time? How long did Jesus have to wait before the storm at sea became calm? How long did it take for Jesus to bring a person back from the dead? All these were done instantly.

And christians have the ability to do greater miracles than Jesus.
---Steveng on 10/18/15


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If God is able to change our earthly bodies into the resurrection, "in the twinkling of an eye" (1 Corinthians 15:52), I am sure that taking six days was slow-motion, for God.

Making the earth a certain age . . . like making Adam start at a certain age . . . is something I did not think of (c: But . . . even though I did not think of it . . . lololololololol . . . this does not make it untrue!
---Bill on 10/18/15


Cluny: Congrats for responding on topic.

"The assumption that lies behind this question"

This is an invalid assumption. The only "assumption" on my part is that the Bible is indeed the inspired word of God, and was given to us to convey factual information. I do indeed believe that the thoughts which God gave to Moses were indeed historical, but not "science" as we know it today, in that Creation was a supernatural event. But, Moses words were his own, and not automatically written. They were close, however, to God's own writing in Exo 20:8-11.


---jerry6593 on 10/18/15


Yes, I see there is difference of opinion.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/17/15


/There is no scriptural basis to arbitrarily demand God created everything in 144 hours.\-David8318 on 10/17/15
There is never scriptural basis to arbitrarily demand anything.
Let's go through grammar and context.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Here we have "day" used 2 ways, One for daytime, the daylight hours, and one for a day, as in 24 hours.
Context shows these to be true.
Noone disputes the first use, so let's see the second.
The "day" consists of a morning, an evening, a daytime, a nighttime, and a number associated with it.
Any other place in the Bible it is considered a normal day.
---micha9344 on 10/17/15


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Moses tells us in scripture:
Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Note: the phrase evening and the morning. This phrase specifies a 24 hour period.

Now let me ask this question: How old was Adam when the Lord made him on the first day? Was he 1 day old infant or was he a full grown man maybe around 30 years old on the day he was made?

My thought is the Lord made a "full grown" planet. He didn't make a "baby" planet in it's infancy.
---trey on 10/17/15


\\I will keep asking until people like cluny actually start addressing the blog question\\

This is the only reply you're going to get from me.

The assumption that lies behind this question must be determined first, viz: the author of Genesis (presumably Moses) intended to write history and science as we understand those disciplines today,

Now, if you believe that Moses and the other authors of Scripture channelled the Bible by a form of automatic writing, fine. But you must prove even this, first.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/17/15


No, there is no reason to doubt the historical accuracy of the 6-day Creation of the Bible?

But there is scriptural reasons to doubt that those days used by God were 24hours in length.

Pslams 90:4 written by Moses says regarding creation, 'For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night' (NIV).

Also, the word "day" is used to sum up the whole period of the 6 creative day period when its says, 'in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens'- Gen.2:4 (KJV).

There is no scriptural basis to arbitrarily demand God created everything in 144 hours.
---David8318 on 10/17/15


Monk: "BTW, haven't you asked this question once already?"

Yes, thanks for asking. I will keep asking until people like cluny actually start addressing the blog question and the related questions asked rather than dodging and attacking denominations.

As for your posit that "He could make each evening and morning period 500,000,000 years long", I see several problems with that.

1) He reiterates the Gen account in Exo 20 and commands rest on the 7th day - thus establishing our work week. We don't live long enough to get through 1 of your "long" days.

2) If you believe that He made vegetation on the 3rd day and it was followed by a "long" night, it wouldn't survive.
---jerry6593 on 10/17/15


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The last time you asked this, I replied, "Oh? Are you going to talk about the young universe and Saturday Sabbath for a change, jerry?"

Why are you asking it again? Didn't you like the answers you got last time?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/16/15


I do not know. I will be interested to hear.
---santimoy.kumar on 10/16/15


As I believe I have said before, those six days and six nights could have been literally 24 hour days. If God wanted to, however, He could make each evening and morning period 500,000,000 years long.

God is omnipotent! He can do whatever He wants. He is also outside of time. So if a day and night period of 5000,000,000 years (as we measure time) is what He wanted to use, then He could have done it.

BTW, haven't you asked this question once already?

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 10/16/15


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