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What Spirit Is This

Scripture warns there are many spirits in the world don't believe every spirit, and test the spirit to know if from God.

I hear people say they are filled with the spirit, the spirit just came upon them, they have been slain in the spirit.

How do they know what spirit they are dealing with?

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\\The Greek word "ana" means by, among,\\

It also means "again", as in ANAstasis--Resurrection.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/31/15


I pray you'll continue to grow in the knowledge, grace & understanding of the Lord Mark_E.
---Leon on 10/30/15


(disconnected/separated) from God at birth. Upon believing in His Son Jesus, we're born again (SPIRIT RENEWED/CLEANSED "re"connected/ "re"joined) to God's Spirit by His Holy Spirit.
---Leon on 10/29/15

Scripture is against you.

1 John 3:9 "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God"

1 Peter 1:23 "having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever"

We are born again with Gods incorruptible seed, not your original spirit renewed/refreshed/cleansed.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/30/15


///...Am I missing something? [YES]...[we're] given a totally new spirit [?]...not a revived old dead spirit. [?] [We're] a totally new creation ...one that never existed [???]....---Mark_Eaton on 10/28/15///

Mark_E: We're all physically born in sin. Our "soul" (mind) is consciously aware we exist even though we're spiritually DEAD (disconnected/separated) from God at birth. Upon believing in His Son Jesus, we're born again (SPIRIT RENEWED/CLEANSED) & ("re"connected/ "re"joined) to God's Spirit by His Holy Spirit.

Scripture says "Jesus Christ...the first begotten of the DEAD...WASHED US FROM OUR SINS IN HIS OWN BLOOD." (Rev. 1:5)
---Leon on 10/29/15


First, "spirit death" is a "CONSCIOUS DISCONNECTION/separation" from God's Spirit.
---Leon on 10/28/15

Perhaps I have a misunderstanding about what you are saying.

Don't you say that we believers start out in spiritual death (our spirit is dead) and then as we accept the free gift of Christ, God regenerates our dead spirit and then we are alive spiritually? Am I missing something?

What I am attempting to show to you is the Bible reads that we are given a totally new spirit by God, not a revived old dead spirit. We are a totally new creation from God, one that never existed before.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/28/15




Mark_E: First, "spirit death" is a "CONSCIOUS DISCONNECTION/separation" from God's Spirit. (Lk. 16:19-31) It's not the same as "physical death" whereas the body is completely UNCONSCIOUS (knows nothing). But, being "born again" is having our spirit/soul man RECONNECTED (rejoined) to the Spirit of God.

Second, I believe you aren't accurately applying "new" in scriptural context. Renewed, revived, even "re"surrected in the "newness of life" is the Bible way. For example our corrupted, physically dead bodies are seeds placed in the ground. They eventually come forth as incorruptible bodies when they're re-inhabited by our "born again" spirit/soul man.
---Leon on 10/28/15


Cluny you are wrong again,I was not raised anti anything. The churches I attended focused on God,Jesus,the Holy Ghost and the things in the Bible. You seem to be always looking for something lately to make me look prejudice or plain bad but you can't because I'm not. People have a right to believe how ever they please and that's just great with me,I don't care how people believe I still accept them as the family of God so let Him judge not me. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/28/15


You made that "NEW" meaning up, huh? New actually means "refreshed".
---Leon on 10/27/15

I did not make anything up.

Look up the Greek word "kainos" in any New Testament Greek-English dictionary or Greek lexicon.

You will find that the word "kainos" does not mean refreshed or anything like that. It means quantitatively new, never existed before new, unprecedented.

The reason for my excitement is that this contradicts what you are constantly saying, that our dead spirits are made alive in Christ. God gives us spirits that have never before existed. God does not take our spirits and make them new, God gives us a totally new birth of His spirit.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/28/15


Please read Micha's recent post. The word "regeneration" actually means "spiritual rebirth, restoration or renovation.
---Leon on 10/27/15

You should read all the posts, especially Cluny's post.

The Greek word "anagenesis" is two words put together "ana" and "genesis". The Greek word "ana" means by, among, every. The Greek word genesis means begat, or born(birth).

So the word translated into English as "regenerated" actually means "by birth" or "by being born".

You see, there is no remade spirit. God does not take your spirit and rekindle life into it.

God gives new life by birth, new birth from God.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/28/15


///Scripture warns there are many spirits in the world don't believe every spirit, and test the spirit to know if from God...How do they know what spirit they are dealing with? ---Rob on 10/24/15

Rob: Unfortunately, a great many Christians [?] are dabbling into "experiential" (sounds & feels good) worship instead of Bible "revelational" (Holy Ghost revealed truth) worship.
---Leon on 10/28/15




///...No, no, no. Stop trying to get the meaning to fit your theology. [???] The word "new" in 2 Cor. 5:17 means unused, fresh, of a new kind, unprecedented, previously non-existent. [?]...Not new, as in remade over but new as in never existed before. [?] Everything prior is deceased, nothing previous comes into the new creature. [?] ---Mark_Eaton on 10/27/15///

Mark_E: Wow!!! Temper, temper, temper! You made that "NEW" meaning up, huh? New actually means "refreshed". Sorry you're having such a difficult time with the truth.

Please read Micha's recent post. The word "regeneration" actually means "spiritual rebirth, restoration or renovation.
---Leon on 10/27/15


///you won't find the word "regeneration" in the Bible either.\-Leon on 10/27/15///

Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory...
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost,
-Paliggeneseo
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
-Annagennao
---micha9344 on 10/27/15

Thank you Micha. Apparently, I spoke in haste & was definitely wrong. Thanks for the help! :)

---Leon on 10/27/15


///...The word "new" in 2 Cor. 5:17 means unused, fresh, of a new kind, unprecedented, previously non-existent. [?]

We are completely a new creation when we are in Christ. Not new, as in remade over but new as in never existed before. Everything prior is deceased, nothing previous comes into the new creature. [?]
---Mark_Eaton on 10/27/15///

Mark_E: HUH?! What about the old sin nature? Do born again, new creation, Christians not still have the old sin nature?
---Leon on 10/27/15


A "born again" person IS like a metamorphosized butterfly, a "new creature" birthed from the old.
---Leon on 10/27/15

No, no, no. Stop trying to get the meaning to fit your theology.

The word "new" in 2 Cor. 5:17 means unused, fresh, of a new kind, unprecedented, previously non-existent.

We are completely a new creation when we are in Christ. Not new, as in remade over but new as in never existed before. Everything prior is deceased, nothing previous comes into the new creature.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/27/15


/you won't find the word "regeneration" in the Bible either.\-Leon on 10/27/15
Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory...
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost,
-Paliggeneseo
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
-Annagennao
---micha9344 on 10/27/15


\\The absolute correct Bible term for regeneration is "BORN AGAIN".\\

Actually the absolute correct Bible term as used in the original Greek NT is ANAGENESIS (and its other cases) which can be rendered "regeneration" into English.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/27/15


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///...Jesus was always coming to [Earth] to include us in their family via adoption [???]...We are born again but not from dead spirits. [???] What you described [is] called metamorphosis...never used to describe salvation. A...new birth is the correct term. [???]---Mark_Eaton on 10/27/15///

Mark_E: Like the words "trinity" & "rapture", you won't find the word "regeneration" in the Bible either. The absolute correct Bible term for regeneration is "BORN AGAIN". Because of sin Adam, first died spiritually & later physically.

What does 2 Cor. 5:17 say to you? A "born again" person IS like a metamorphosized butterfly, a "new creature" birthed from the old.
---Leon on 10/27/15


That's why God devised a plan of salvation (Gen. 3) that would regenerate dead spirits by causing believers in Jesus to be "born again".
---Leon on 10/26/15

BCV on the regeneration of a dead spirit.

As I have said many times, Gods plan was not changed by what Adam did. Jesus was the first and only plan before the foundation of the world. Jesus was always coming to our planet to include us in their family via adoption.

We are born again but not from dead spirits. What you described would be called metamorphosis, a changing of state from death to life. Metamorphosis is never used to describe salvation. A totally new birth is the correct term.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/27/15


Leon, the lunatic/epileptic boy of the Gospels was frequently slain in the spirit, even falling into fire or water.

But it wasn't the Holy Spirit, was it?

That's the only example I've found of being "slain in the spirit" in the Bible.

Even then, it didn't require someone to tap his head.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/27/15


Fellow bloggers: I just can't get pass the term "slain in the spirit" because I believe it's diametrically opposed to the entire teachings of Scripture. No where in the Bible can we find a legitimate example of anyone being slain, by God, in the spirit though some would argue Paul experienced it on the Damascus road. The Bible doesn't support that.

My understanding is Adam & Eve, via original sin, died (were slain) spiritually & mankind has had that problem ever since. That's why God devised a plan of salvation (Gen. 3) that would regenerate dead spirits by causing believers in Jesus to be "born again". God's plan isn't to slay us. He seeks to quicken dead spirits & give us everlasting life!
---Leon on 10/26/15


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\\ you will be very surprised when God holds you accountable for talking bad about a Gift he has given. \\

What you have NOT proven is that meaningless babbling called glossolalia is the same as the Biblical gift of the Holy Spirit and tongues.

Saying something over and over does not prove it.

I'm looking for BIBLICAL proof.

And everything I've ever read equates Oneness with Apostolic with Pentecostals. Obviously, you were raised anti-trinitarian, or you would know what it means.
---Cluny on 10/27/15


Cluny first of all Oneness are not Apostolic that is another church completely. People used to call all Pentecostals Apostolic but it was outsiders for the most part from what I've heard from old timers. As for Trinity I know very little about them but it's not my place to tell God who can receive the Gift of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and who can't. For all the Nay Sayers, doubters,and those who say its evil spirits you will be very surprised when God holds you accountable for talking bad about a Gift he has given. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 10/26/15


This question is for Darlene and those who believe as she does.

Oneness Pentecostals and Trinitarian Pentecostals stand on opposing sides of the Trinitarian doctrine. The Oneness (aka Apostolic) deny it, Trinitarians affirm it.

They BOTH claim to have received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Since they disagree on this foundational doctrine, has one side received a counterfeit gift?

Please explain.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/26/15


"I hear people say they are filled with the spirit, the spirit just came upon them, they have been slain in the spirit."

Having been a visitor at quite a number of charismatic churches I've heard these phrases quite a lot. I always come away from such places feeling that the people using those words don't know what they mean themselves. They become infectious and people attending seem to feel that they must use such language to fit in.

It is obvious that some are just using the 'patter' because they feel that they should.
---andreea on 10/26/15


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My sentiments exactly.

The first test is what doctrine comes with this, that, or the other sign.

The next is what is the fruit of it in the lives of those involved.

I could tell you horror stories, but I won't. They would simply give glory to the devil.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/25/15


They don't. I came from that background and have first hand experience. This phenomenon is important to some people but my personal opinion is that it is psychological/emotional along with "monkey see monkey do" to be able to "fit in". A lot of peer pressure to perform or there's something wrong with you spiritually. A lot of unnecessary guilt heaped upon guilt. Okay for some folks but not for me.
---Press_On on 10/25/15


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