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Explain Acts 2:17-21

Please read Acts 2:17-21. Now tell me why Baptism in the Holy Spirit needs to have as its first evidence speaking in tongues.

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan

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/I disagree with tongues meaning different language.\-Baron on 5/12/16
Gen 11:1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
Gen 11:9 ...because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth...
Gen 10:31 ...after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.
Deut 28:49 ...a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand,
Ezra 4:7 ...Syrian tongue...
Isaiah 66:18 ...I will gather all nations and tongues, and they shall come, and see my glory.
Dan 1:4 ...tongue of the Chaldeans.
John 5:2 ...which is called in the Hebrew tongue...
Acts 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
-Confused then made plain.
---micha9344 on 5/12/16


I disagree with tongues meaning different language. The holy spirit can tell us what to speak without hesitation...to me, this is speaking in tongues. That which doesn't natively reside. Different language is too defined, but fits description...
---Baron on 5/12/16


The word tongues stands for different languages. So a person who stood up and spoke in German would not be understood by the Greek speakers. But if someone could translate it is okay.

In the passage all who speak in foreign languages are to be translated.

Not this whole bunch of people all making sounds that no one understands and saying it represents the language of heaven. That is chaos. Nor order.

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/30/16


\\Yet Paul did not tell the Corinthians to stop using their gift of the unknown tongue. \\

Please give BCV where one finds your expression "the unknown tongue."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/25/16


But they could all speak in tongues till the cows came home, right?
---Cluny on 11/7/15

Nice joke, but true.

The Corinthians were zealous for Spiritual gifts and exercised excessively the one they had.

Yet Paul did not tell the Corinthians to stop using their gift of the unknown tongue.

Paul told them to pray for interpretation along with using their gift, because without interpretation the gift of unknown tongues is useless to the hearers and ourselves.

Which is why Paul recommended speaking with "revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching" instead of speaking only with the unknown tongue.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/10/15




The Apostle Paul identified their error. Instead of commending, he actually chastised them for it.
---Leon on 11/1/15

BCV where the Apostle Paul chastised the Corinthian church for using the unknown tongue.
---Mark_Eaton on 11/9/15


Speaking in tongues was a supernatural ability given as a tool for clear communication of sound doctrine. Today it is anything but clear communication. It is often confusing.
Ephes. 3:4 says we are able to understand the mystery of Christ by reading what Paul wrote from the Lord.

This must be why I have never met a tongue-talker that understood the revelation of the mystery (Rom 16:25 ). Instead of reading the written revelation of the mystery, they stop reading in Acts 2, put down their Bibles, and start speaking to heaven pleading for a mystery revelation.
---michael_e on 11/9/15


Cluny, you are correct. From the very beginning of the Church, the problems begin. Paul had a lot of trouble with those in the Corinthian Church. As Leon mentioned, it was the work of the devil trying to confuse those in the Church.
---Luke on 11/8/15


///Leon, what you answered is right on. From beginning to end. Today we have so many fakes. I read they even have classes to teach you how to speak in tongues. I believe the neo-Pentecostals believe they have to speak in tongues in order to be saved.
I can imagine how that church sounds on Sunday. Everyone babbling.
---Luke on 11/7/15///

Yeah Luke, yet another trick of the devil to counterfeit God's authentic tongues & detract from, & minimize actual praise & worship directed towards the Lord.
---Leon on 11/7/15


\\I read they even have classes to teach you how to speak in tongues.\\

I've seen that with my own eyes, and not only on these blogs.

\\ I believe the neo-Pentecostals believe they have to speak in tongues in order to be saved. \\

I've met a few.

Consider this. First Church of Corinth was a box of serious pastoral problems. Everyone had his own favorite parachurch ministry. The clergy couldn't celebrate the Eucharist properly. On man lived immorally with his step-mother. Some of them didn't even believe in the Resurrection.

But they could all speak in tongues till the cows came home, right?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/7/15




Leon, what you answered is right on. From beginning to end. Today we have so many fakes. I read they even have classes to teach you how to speak in tongues. I believe the neo-Pentecostals believe they have to speak in tongues in order to be saved.
I can imagine how that church sounds on Sunday. Everyone babbling.
---Luke on 11/7/15


Monk, Trey, I believe was speaking concerning those passages and at that present time. He was not speaking concerning every person then, today and in the future. The passage you gave concerns all Christians for all times. Many with different gifts. I hope you understand, that when you read a passage you have to make sure what time the passage is talking about. What happens in one passage does not always mean it is the same all the time.
---Luke on 11/5/15


Monk, it did not require all men to speak in tongues to be a sign to the Jews.

Do you need a 100 sign to point you in the right direction or just one?
---trey on 11/4/15


Tell me why Baptism in the Holy Spirit needs to have as its first evidence speaking in tongues. It doesn't. "Tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:" 1Co 14:22
---joseph on 11/4/15


Acts chapter 10, it was a sign again unto the Jews that Christ had included the "ethnos"/"nations" in the family of God and that Christ had broken down the middle wall (Ephesians 2:14)
---trey on 10/31/15

Don't become a "heathen". The middle wall was between the two houses of Israel.
Two sticks...joined. Heb8:8.
Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 11/4/15


Trey said, "Tongues were for a sign on the day of Pentecost that Peter and the rest of the Apostles were speaking the truth. It was a sign to the unbelieving Jews. "Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine." Acts 2:13

Acts chapter 10, it was a sign again unto the Jews that Christ had included the Gentiles in the family of God and that Christ had broken down the middle wall (Ephesians 2:14)"


Thank you for your attempt at finding the truth. But the Holy Spirit did not give all men tongues. Read 1 Cor 12:8-10

Pray for me,
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 11/3/15


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Leon, what you said is very true concerning the languages the passage is speaking of. What I want to add to what you said is that the passage begins with( in the last days) it shall come to pass. Peter first told the people that the ones speaking in tongues, were not drunk, then he mentions what the Prophet Joel spoke of. In the last days (I will pour out MY Spirit on all flesh) mean those who belief not every single person. It also mentions at that time signs in the earth beneath, blood and fire and vapor of smoke and the sun shall be turn into darkness. So it is not that time yet. The point is that what is spoken of in Acts 2:17-21 has not happen.
---Luke on 11/2/15


Andreea: Acts 2 says the disciples spoke in tongues (known world languages), they hadn't learned, to the people gathered. The people heard them, speaking their language(s) & marveled. Since then confusion has come into church-houses. People, used of the devil, began uttering pagan ecstatic babble & claim(ed) to be talking to God rather than men. The Apostle Paul identified their error. Instead of commending, he actually chastised them for it. The only Bible legitimate "speaking in tongues" is God enabling people to speak languages, otherwise foreign to them, to communicate the gospel of Jesus Christ to others. Ecstatic babble is "feel good" self aggrandizement, not a normative Christian practice.
---Leon on 11/1/15


Sorry Monk, I didn't see the words 'speaking in tongues.'

I just read about everyone will prophesy in God's name.

Speaking in Tongue as my Friend claims isn't about telling future events.

I believe as I understand it to be a form of speaking God's Language and the privilege of speaking it even if you don't understand what you are saying.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/31/15


Bill wrote: So, this means the Holy Spirit is perfectly controlling the person to do this.

This suggests that the gifts of the Spirit are involuntary - which contradicts 1 Corinthians 14:32 "And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.", despite people like Robert Tilton, with his uncontrolled babbling interrupting in the middle of sentences, not in order, as Paul elsewhere says spiritual gifts are.

andrea wrote: Telling people that tongues is needed as evidence is a lie.

Yes, and it encourages people to seek after outward signs (that can be easily faked) rather than the true indwelling of the Spirit.
---StrongAxe on 11/1/15


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During real tongues the person is speaking an actual language, which the Holy Spirit has the person speaking without the person knowing the language. So, this means the Holy Spirit is perfectly controlling the person to do this. And many people do not want to be in submission to God, and this is why they don't want speaking in real tongues.

If I am really filled by the Holy Spirit, I become pleasing to God >

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

The real Holy Spirit, then, has us growing in the gentleness and quietness of God's own love, so we are pleasing to our Father (c:
---Bill on 10/31/15


Telling people that tongues is needed as evidence is a lie. Only certain churches teach this and, when asked where the bible teaches it they cannot tell you, because it is not there to show.
---andreea on 10/31/15


Monk,
1Cor 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

Tongues were for a sign on the day of Pentecost that Peter and the rest of the Apostles were speaking the truth. It was a sign to the unbelieving Jews. "Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine." Acts 2:13

Acts chapter 10, it was a sign again unto the Jews that Christ had included the Gentiles in the family of God and that Christ had broken down the middle wall (Ephesians 2:14)
---trey on 10/31/15


I believe speaking in tongues for all in the end days is brought about by God because at that time all things, including language, become universal for purpose of understanding.
---Geraldine on 10/30/15


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